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[Stephen Burge]

There is actually a book on this topic at Amazon but the reviews not good:
http://www.amazon.com/Joomla-Cash-Money-making-weapons-website/dp/1847191401

A good list of things to start when it comes to actually getting visitors:
http://www.seomoz.org/blog/why-does-your-search-traffic-suck-the-6-most-likely-reasons

I haven't read it myself, but a friend liked that "4 hour work week" 
book. The actual title is a sales gimmick but the gist is ... stop 
reading blogs, stop twittering, stop watching TV ... just go out and 
start building websites and learning from the experience.

For Mitch's talk ... should I trust Joomla for ecommerce? It can do most 
other things but is Virtuemart actually a good choice?

Steve





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> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:17:08 -0400
> From: Mitch Pirtle <mitch.pirtle at gmail.com>
> To: "NYPHP SIG: Joomla" <joomla at lists.nyphp.org>
> Subject: Re: [joomla] Joomla for Entrepreneurs
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> TEN WAYS TO ENSURE YOUR WEBSITE WILL GO NOWHERE
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> Man, I am going to have soooo much fun on those slides! hehe
>
> -- Mitch
>
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Donna Marie
> Vincent<donnamarievincent at yahoo.com> wrote:
>   
>> Yeah, the people who make money here are the ones selling the teaching.
>> Like the "4 hour work week" book.? I've had many clients who wanted a
>> website based on this type of selling and they have all failed.? They
>> thought "if you build it they will come".? No one came.? They fused over the
>> tiniest details on their site but had no marketing plan or budget.
>>
>> People are making money selling books saying your website can run itself
>> while supporting your early retirement.
>>
>> I would like to write a blog about what *not* to do or expect from your
>> website business.
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Hans C. Kaspersetz <hans at cyberxdesigns.com>
>> To: NYPHP SIG: Joomla <joomla at lists.nyphp.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 9:00:39 AM
>> Subject: Re: [joomla] Joomla for Entrepreneurs
>>
>>     
>>> I would like to learn how to generate streams of income
>>> through my website. Advertising, selling of leads, selling
>>> products, etc. I'd like to learn how to set those things up &
>>> how to keep track of referrals from my site.
>>>       
>> Hmmm...... If only this could be taught.? Maybe I should write a book about
>> this.? I could make a fortune selling it through my Joomla! web site.? And
>> in the process I might setup a merchant account, shopping cart, affiliate
>> tracking system and a web analytics to track and monetize the crush of
>> traffic referred to my site.
>>
>> Hans
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> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 12:43:56 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Donna Marie Vincent <donnamarievincent at yahoo.com>
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> Question:  How are you going to keep it down to *ten*?!  I have ten real-life stories just off the top of my head.
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> (btw, I meant "fussed over", not "fused over".)
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> ________________________________
> From: Mitch Pirtle <mitch.pirtle at gmail.com>
> To: NYPHP SIG: Joomla <joomla at lists.nyphp.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 3:17:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [joomla] Joomla for Entrepreneurs
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> TEN WAYS TO ENSURE YOUR WEBSITE WILL GO NOWHERE
>
> Man, I am going to have soooo much fun on those slides! hehe
>
> -- Mitch
>
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Donna Marie
> Vincent<donnamarievincent at yahoo.com> wrote:
>   
>> Yeah, the people who make money here are the ones selling the teaching.
>> Like the "4 hour work week" book.  I've had many clients who wanted a
>> website based on this type of selling and they have all failed.  They
>> thought "if you build it they will come".  No one came.  They fused over the
>> tiniest details on their site but had no marketing plan or budget.
>>
>> People are making money selling books saying your website can run itself
>> while supporting your early retirement.
>>
>> I would like to write a blog about what *not* to do or expect from your
>> website business.
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Hans C. Kaspersetz <hans at cyberxdesigns.com>
>> To: NYPHP SIG: Joomla <joomla at lists.nyphp.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 9:00:39 AM
>> Subject: Re: [joomla] Joomla for Entrepreneurs
>>
>>     
>>> I would like to learn how to generate streams of income
>>> through my website. Advertising, selling of leads, selling
>>> products, etc. I'd like to learn how to set those things up &
>>> how to keep track of referrals from my site.
>>>       
>> Hmmm...... If only this could be taught.  Maybe I should write a book about
>> this.  I could make a fortune selling it through my Joomla! web site.  And
>> in the process I might setup a merchant account, shopping cart, affiliate
>> tracking system and a web analytics to track and monetize the crush of
>> traffic referred to my site.
>>
>> Hans
>>
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> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:36:39 -0400
> From: Leam Hall <leam at reuel.net>
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> Some partly coherent thoughts...
>
> For the entrepreneur:
> 	1. How do I bring together joomla, a shopping cart, a forum, etc, and 
> make sure the look and feel stays the same without manually configuring 
> each CSS file every time?
>
> 	2. What hit statistics are available? How are they graphed?
>
> 	3. If I hire a Joomla programmer for one project and 6 months later 
> hire a different one, how much time/cost will the second programmer 
> spend figuring out what the first one did?
>
> 	4. I want to move to "Mitch's Awesome Hosting Company", how hard will 
> it be to keep my site intact and how difficult is it to clone?
>
> 	5. Most sites seem real slow, how do I use Joomla and still make sure 
> my site loads quickly?
>
> 	6. What's the top end of Joomla capacity?
>
> For the Joomloid:
> 	1. How do I deal with YoMomma and other half-baked mega hosting for 
> free options that install crippled PHP/Apache/MySQL functionality?
>
> 	2. What are some big wins I can discuss with a client to maximize their 
> site development ROI?
>
> 	3. Auto mechanics have a book that says how many hours to charge for 
> each job. Is there a similar thing for Joomla tasks so I can price work 
> I don't yet know how to do without making the customer pay for my direct 
> education?
>
> 	4. What are some awesome sites using Joomla that I can learn from?
>
> 	5. How do I show the client the dollar value of decent hosting plans?
>
> That's all my workday worn brain can come up with. Some of the other 
> responses have been great! I'm enjoying reading as much as contributing.
>
> Leam
>
>
> Mitch Pirtle wrote:
>   
>> Ok, asked the almighty Twitter for what topics would be of interest,
>> and got nothing but crickets.
>>
>> Now I'm trying the list, hoping for more ;-)
>>
>> If you were to attend a session called "Joomla for Entrepreneurs",
>> what topics would you find the most interesting or valuable?
>>
>> -- Mitch
>>     
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:56:57 -0400
> From: ozzie sutcliffe <oz.sutcliffe at gmail.com>
> To: "NYPHP SIG: Joomla" <joomla at lists.nyphp.org>
> Subject: Re: [joomla] Joomla for Entrepreneurs
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> FYI as recovering mechanic . The rates are the book rate or whatever
> it takes Bill the longest .
> If you come to me and want a custom exhaust I am going to charge you
> what it take to make that exhaust.  Your car off the showroom floor is
> the Joomla std package. Any options will be billed extra and just like
> you car I will have to read the instructions and figure out how to
> install the roof rack.
> Figuring stuff out is part of your job and in any other trade you get
> paid for your time so why should working with Joomla  be any different
> ?
> When you come to me and say I want a 3 " exhaust with this carb and
> that cam etc I will charge you time and materials as I don't know all
> the implications.
> After all a doctor gets paid for diagnosis , so should we !!!
> Consider yourself architects and you are creating the master blueprints
> Even is the house does not get built you should get paid for your time.
>
>
>
> snip
> Auto mechanics have a book that says how many hours to charge for each
> job. Is there a similar thing for Joomla tasks so I can price work I
> don't yet know how to do without making the customer pay for my direct
> education
>
>
> Oz
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