From adam at trachtenberg.com  Sun May  1 04:14:50 2005
From: adam at trachtenberg.com (Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg)
Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 04:14:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Re: Monitoring for Bounce Mail
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On Sat, 30 Apr 2005, John Nunez wrote:

> This is exactly what I was thinking.  The transmissions are monthly
> but 3 bounces are good enough. Sometimes the emails are product
> alerts (plain text) and mostly it's HTML.  So you have the code in
> plain sight?  Like the footer?  I need to get approval from by boss
> for this one.  How do you encode the email address?  A quick idea
> would be to send a md5 of the email address.

Yes. We put the code in plain site. Probably in the footer.

It's been a long time, and I don't have the code readily
available. However, I would think that you would want something that
was decodable by you, so you could extract the original e-mail address
or user id when the mail bounced back.

Unless you're worried about people spoofing bounce mail to unsubscribe
their enemies, your data doesn't even necessarily have to be encrypted
-- just formatted in a way that's easy to grep for.

-adam

-- 
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author of o'reilly's "upgrading to php 5" and "php cookbook"
avoid the holiday rush, buy your copies today!


From jeff.knight at gmail.com  Sun May  1 10:43:31 2005
From: jeff.knight at gmail.com (Jeff Knight)
Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 10:43:31 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Free Book - PHP 5 Power Programming
Message-ID: <2ca9ba9105050107436d63bfd@mail.gmail.com>

The pdf of this book & several others in the Bruce Perens' Open Source
Series can be downloaded from
http://www.phptr.com/promotion/1484?redir=1


From mitch.pirtle at gmail.com  Sun May  1 12:21:02 2005
From: mitch.pirtle at gmail.com (Mitch Pirtle)
Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 12:21:02 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] SSH security question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0504301323540.93966@emra.pair.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0504301323540.93966@emra.pair.com>
Message-ID: <330532b60505010921640729eb@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/30/05, David Mintz <dmintz at davidmintz.org> wrote:
> 
> Is it normal to get attacked like this just about every day?

That would be awesome, since I get scanned (these are not really
attacks) about every 90 minutes. Some servers are almost constant,
depends on who/what/how many you are hosting on one machine as well.
These are really just scans and automated probes, if someone was
really attacking your server you would most certainly know it - there
is no real way to 'quietly attack a server'.

I install Portsentry immediately upon having a shell on a remote
server, if only to get rid of most of the skript kiddiez. Once that is
done, I can take the time to harden the system.

Some good reading:

* Hardening Apache, by Tony Mobily (Apress)
* Maximum Linux Security, by Anonymous (SAMS)
* Linux Serve Security, by Michael D. Bauer (O'Reilly)

Also there are a ton of resources out there, but the Apache book is a
real good start for linux webservers.

-- Mitch


From dmintz at davidmintz.org  Sun May  1 22:51:09 2005
From: dmintz at davidmintz.org (David Mintz)
Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 22:51:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] SSH security question
In-Reply-To: <330532b60505010921640729eb@mail.gmail.com>
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	<330532b60505010921640729eb@mail.gmail.com>
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Great tips. Thanks again to all.


---
David Mintz
http://davidmintz.org/


From max at neuropunks.org  Mon May  2 11:00:16 2005
From: max at neuropunks.org (max)
Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 10:00:16 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] SSH security question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0504301323540.93966@emra.pair.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0504301323540.93966@emra.pair.com>
Message-ID: <20050502150016.GA22843@neuropunks.org>

hello
I get a ton of those every day. Since i use freebsd, they get reported to me via email as part of daily security check
The format of that email looks like that:
finn login failures:
Apr 30 10:55:42 finn sshd[31415]: Failed password for illegal user nobody from 67.18.130.50 port 49027 ssh2
Apr 30 10:55:43 finn sshd[32022]: Failed password for illegal user patrick from 67.18.130.50 port 49063 ssh2
Apr 30 10:55:48 finn sshd[32404]: Failed password for illegal user patrick from 67.18.130.50 port 49117 ssh2
Apr 30 10:55:48 finn sshd[33059]: Failed password for illegal user root from 67.18.130.50 port 49150 ssh2
Apr 30 10:55:49 finn sshd[33106]: Failed password for illegal user root from 67.18.130.50 port 49186 ssh2
Apr 30 10:55:51 finn sshd[33753]: Failed password for illegal user root from 67.18.130.50 port 49217 ssh2

and so on, for many many pages.
I got really fed up with this, and since i do believe in a bit of vigilantism, i made a little perl script which gets called from procmail in root's dir on every occurance of those emails. The script sends one email per attempt to security/technical contact for the ip address/block.
Now, this will generate quite a bit of traffic on your end, but i found that nothing gets your attention more about a broken machine on your network than 5000 email messages. Call me a bastard : )
You can call it from procmail like so:
---
[root at finn dev]# cat ~system/.procmail/rc.ssh
:0c
* ^Subject:.*security*
| /root/system/bin/parse_ssh.pl
[root at finn dev]# cat ~system/.procmailrc
PROCMAILDIR=$HOME/.procmail
INCLUDERC=$PROCMAILDIR/rc.ssh
---
The script is below, just remember what happens when you use it...
(yea its pretty bad perl, you'll even find a goto in it )
---
#!/usr/bin/perl

foreach $line (<STDIN>){
        chomp;
        if ($line =~ /192\.168|216\.254\.70\.208|127\.0/) {
                next;
        }
        if ($line =~ /Failed password for illegal user/) {
                @line = split (/ /, $line);
                $ip = @line[12];
                if ($ip == "from" ) {
                        $ip = @line[13];
                }

                $email = do_lookup ($ip);
                do_notify($email, $ip, $line);
        }
}

sub do_lookup {
        $ip = pack("A*", @_);
        print "ip is $ip\n";

        `whois -a @_ > /tmp/whois. at _.$$`;
        $file = "/tmp/whois. at _.$$";

        open(FILE, $file) or die "Error: $!\n";

        foreach $line (<FILE>) {
                chomp;
                if ($line =~ /ReferralServer/) {
                        @referral_server = split (/\/\//, $line);
                        print "Referral Server found: @referral_server[1] Forking whois..\n";
                        print "IP: $ip\n";
                        open(WHOIS, "whois $ip -h @referral_server[1] |") or die "Error: $!\n";
                        foreach $line (<WHOIS>) {
                                chomp;
                                if ($line =~ /e-mail:/) {
                                        @org_tech_email = split (/:/, $line);
                                        $email = @org_tech_email[1];
                                        print "OrgTechEmail: @org_tech_email[1]\n";
                                        #do_notify(@org_tech_email[1], $ip);
                                        close(WHOIS);
                                        return $email;
                                        goto DONE;
                                }
                        }
                }
                if ($line =~ /OrgTechEmail|TechEmail/) {
                                @org_tech_email = split (/ /, $line);
                                $email = @org_tech_email[2];
                                print "OrgTechEmail: @org_tech_email[2]\n";
                                return $email;
                                #do_notify(@org_tech_email[2], $ip);
                }
        }
DONE:   close(FILE);
        unlink(FILE);
        `rm -f $file`;
}

sub do_notify {
        $email = @_[0];
        $ip = @_[1];
        $msg = @_[2];

        print "$msg";
        `echo "$msg" | mail -c root -s "SSH Breakin Attempt detected from your $ip, check your system!" $email\n`;


}




On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 01:26:27PM -0400, David Mintz wrote:
> 
> Is it normal to get attacked like this just about every day?
> 
> 
>  --------------------- SSHD Begin ------------------------
> 
> 
> Failed logins from these:
>    bin/password from 210.68.71.220: 17 Time(s)
>    boss/password from 210.68.71.220: 17 Time(s)
>    chris/password from 210.68.71.220: 17 Time(s)
>    cristina/password from 210.68.71.220: 17 Time(s)
>    daemon/password from 210.68.71.220: 17 Time(s)
>    ftp/password from 210.68.71.220: 17 Time(s)
>    ftpuser/password from 210.68.71.220: 17 Time(s)
>    mailtest/password from 210.68.71.220: 17 Time(s)
>    michelle/password from 210.68.71.220: 17 Time(s)
>    mysql/password from 210.68.71.220: 17 Time(s)
>    news/password from 210.68.71.220: 17 Time(s)
>    oracle/password from 210.68.71.220: 17 Time(s)
>    postfix/password from 210.68.71.220: 17 Time(s)
>    postgres/password from 210.68.71.220: 17 Time(s)
>    richard/password from 210.68.71.220: 17 Time(s)
>    service/password from 210.68.71.220: 17 Time(s)
>    testuser/password from 210.68.71.220: 17 Time(s)
> 
> 
> ---
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> http://davidmintz.org/
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From 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com  Mon May  2 11:52:01 2005
From: 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com (inforequest)
Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 11:52:01 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] SSH security question
In-Reply-To: <20050502150016.GA22843@neuropunks.org>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0504301323540.93966@emra.pair.com>
	<20050502150016.GA22843@neuropunks.org>
Message-ID: <29862-56419@sneakemail.com>

max max-at-neuropunks.org |nyphp dev/internal group use| wrote:

>I got really fed up with this, and since i do believe in a bit of vigilantism, i made a little perl script which gets called from procmail in root's dir on every occurance of those emails. The script sends one email per attempt to security/technical contact for the ip address/block.
>

I understand your desire to be proactive, but now every port scan (which 
has been judged by the power-that-be to not practically impact system 
performance) on YOUR system runs a script, queries a flat file, 
constructs and generates an email (with potential for logging everything 
that may generate a warningor error or bounce or whatever).

Seems to me like you're feeding the trolls.

Are you setting your system up for more trouble? (not to mention the 
added complexity of another event-driven automated script running on 
your system at someone else's prompting... DOS oppty?).

-=john andrews


From max at neuropunks.org  Mon May  2 11:58:11 2005
From: max at neuropunks.org (max)
Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 10:58:11 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] SSH security question
In-Reply-To: <29862-56419@sneakemail.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0504301323540.93966@emra.pair.com>
	<20050502150016.GA22843@neuropunks.org>
	<29862-56419@sneakemail.com>
Message-ID: <20050502155811.GA97307@neuropunks.org>

You are absolutely correct, this solution needs to be used (if at all) on a "disclaimer" basis, where you would understand what you are getting yourself into.
So far, in my case, my server never had a problem spamming some poor admin of a chinese ip block with literally over 5 thousand emails. All that does for me, is make a small dent in the bandwidth available to my server.
Plenty of my friends who saw this script called me a spammer and a script kiddy for generating all the traffic and abusing some poor sap's mailbox, but you know, untill the law that says your system's security is your legal responsibility is passed, i am definetely sticking to this solution.
On technical note, this script while sending out those emails for say an hour generates load ave of no more than 3, and 10mbit connection that this server is on handles the throughput with no problem, including replies and errors. 
But you're probably right, im just waiting for it... I just let the hatred to script kiddies, hack bots and clueless server admins get to me sometimes.


On Mon, May 02, 2005 at 11:52:01AM -0400, inforequest wrote:
> max max-at-neuropunks.org |nyphp dev/internal group use| wrote:
> 
> >I got really fed up with this, and since i do believe in a bit of 
> >vigilantism, i made a little perl script which gets called from procmail 
> >in root's dir on every occurance of those emails. The script sends one 
> >email per attempt to security/technical contact for the ip address/block.
> >
> 
> I understand your desire to be proactive, but now every port scan (which 
> has been judged by the power-that-be to not practically impact system 
> performance) on YOUR system runs a script, queries a flat file, 
> constructs and generates an email (with potential for logging everything 
> that may generate a warningor error or bounce or whatever).
> 
> Seems to me like you're feeding the trolls.
> 
> Are you setting your system up for more trouble? (not to mention the 
> added complexity of another event-driven automated script running on 
> your system at someone else's prompting... DOS oppty?).
> 
> -=john andrews
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk Mailing List
> AMP Technology
> Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org
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From lists at zaunere.com  Mon May  2 14:11:42 2005
From: lists at zaunere.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 14:11:42 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Struts and PHP
Message-ID: <0MKz5u-1DSfOR36W4-0005Eb@mrelay.perfora.net>


Interesting thread developing on the Struts Apache Mailing list.  Follow it here:

http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/struts-user/200505.mbox/threads.html

Subject "Struts with PHP"



---
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President, Founder

New York PHP
http://www.nyphp.org

AMP Technology
Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP





From krook at us.ibm.com  Mon May  2 14:31:27 2005
From: krook at us.ibm.com (Daniel Krook)
Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 14:31:27 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Struts and PHP
In-Reply-To: <0MKz5u-1DSfOR36W4-0005Eb@mrelay.perfora.net>
Message-ID: <OFE932157D.B601B6EC-ON85256FF5.0065616D-85256FF5.0065BFDB@us.ibm.com>

> Interesting thread developing on the Struts Apache Mailing list. [...]


I submitted an article to IBM's developerWorks recently on running 
WebSphere apps alongside PHP which share a single Apache and DB2 instance. 
  The example code I provided with it uses a Struts application as a CMS 
to a PHP front-end.   With that set up the situation that is described on 
the Apache list might be possible.

The article is "tentatively" scheduled for publication on May 11, next 
Wednesday.  I'll ping the list if/when it goes live.  :) 






Daniel Krook, Advisory IT Specialist 
Application Development, Production Services - Tools, ibm.com

Personal: http://info.krook.org/
BluePages: http://w3.ibm.com/bluepages?searchcnum=9A9796897




From chsnyder at gmail.com  Mon May  2 14:59:16 2005
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (csnyder)
Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 14:59:16 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Struts and PHP
In-Reply-To: <0MKz5u-1DSfOR36W4-0005Eb@mrelay.perfora.net>
References: <0MKz5u-1DSfOR36W4-0005Eb@mrelay.perfora.net>
Message-ID: <b7625269050502115955096114@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/2/05, Hans Zaunere <lists at zaunere.com> wrote:
> 
> Interesting thread developing on the Struts Apache Mailing list.  Follow it here:
> 
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/struts-user/200505.mbox/threads.html
> 
> Subject "Struts with PHP"


I have no idea what any of the words mean, but I wonder if this would
be helpful to someone trying to hook PHP into Struts:
http://www.php.net/manual/en/ref.java.php

Seems like you should be able to pass stuff back and forth with no problem.


From lists at zaunere.com  Mon May  2 15:04:11 2005
From: lists at zaunere.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 15:04:11 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Struts and PHP
In-Reply-To: <b7625269050502115955096114@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0MKz5u-1DSgDE3Vzi-0006cK@mrelay.perfora.net>


> > Interesting thread developing on the Struts Apache Mailing list.  Follow it here:
> >
> > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/struts-user/200505.mbox/threads.html
> >
> > Subject "Struts with PHP"
> 
> 
> I have no idea what any of the words mean, but I wonder if this would
> be helpful to someone trying to hook PHP into Struts:
> http://www.php.net/manual/en/ref.java.php
> 
> Seems like you should be able to pass stuff back and forth with no problem.

Yeah, although I'm not sure how complete it is.  I think Zend is also doing some work on this front.

Would be a cool topic for a presentation - Krook?  Zend folks?

---
Hans Zaunere
President, Founder

New York PHP
http://www.nyphp.org

AMP Technology
Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP






From matt at jobsforge.com  Mon May  2 15:17:11 2005
From: matt at jobsforge.com (Matthew Terenzio)
Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 15:17:11 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Struts and PHP
In-Reply-To: <0MKz5u-1DSgDE3Vzi-0006cK@mrelay.perfora.net>
References: <0MKz5u-1DSgDE3Vzi-0006cK@mrelay.perfora.net>
Message-ID: <4d68b7639ac2c613cdd8e2336cdf27c0@jobsforge.com>


On May 2, 2005, at 3:04 PM, Hans Zaunere wrote:

> Yeah, although I'm not sure how complete it is.  I think Zend is also 
> doing some work on this front.

I've always thought it would be neat if you could write in PHP or 
Python or Javascript and compile it into JVM bytecode.

If Microsoft can do it with Common Language Runtime why can't we? I'm 
actually surprised more progress hasn't been made in this area.






From krook at us.ibm.com  Mon May  2 15:53:34 2005
From: krook at us.ibm.com (Daniel Krook)
Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 15:53:34 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Struts and PHP
In-Reply-To: <4d68b7639ac2c613cdd8e2336cdf27c0@jobsforge.com>
Message-ID: <OFFDD86AF7.C8E57539-ON85256FF5.006C9C8F-85256FF5.006D4465@us.ibm.com>

> > Yeah, although I'm not sure how complete it is.  I think Zend is also 
> > doing some work on this front.
> 
> I've always thought it would be neat if you could write in PHP or 
> Python or Javascript and compile it into JVM bytecode.
> 
> If Microsoft can do it with Common Language Runtime why can't we? I'm 
> actually surprised more progress hasn't been made in this area.


There is some movement towards this in the JSR mentioned in the Apache 
list thread:

JSR 223: Scripting for the Java Platform
http://jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=223

Zend is one of the members of the expert group on this request.  It's not 
compilation into bytecode, but a way to use the language within a JVM. The 
PHP scripts would be included as part of the deployment unit for execution 
an application server (EAR or WAR... bundles of JSPs and servlets).

"When Java developers write Web Applications, they write classes that 
interact with these objects in well defined security, resource and class 
loader contexts. The proposed specification will describe which of these 
Java objects will be exposed to pages written in other scripting 
languages. The specification will be grounded on at least one concrete 
scripting language example, PHP, but the concepts will remain independent 
of the scripting language and, if at all possible, the EG will also 
explore the bindings to at least another scripting language."





Daniel Krook, Advisory IT Specialist 
Application Development, Production Services - Tools, ibm.com

Personal: http://info.krook.org/
BluePages: http://w3.ibm.com/bluepages?searchcnum=9A9796897



From adam at trachtenberg.com  Mon May  2 17:31:22 2005
From: adam at trachtenberg.com (Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg)
Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 17:31:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Struts and PHP
In-Reply-To: <0MKz5u-1DSgDE3Vzi-0006cK@mrelay.perfora.net>
References: <0MKz5u-1DSgDE3Vzi-0006cK@mrelay.perfora.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0505021730000.24898@miranda.org>

On Mon, 2 May 2005, Hans Zaunere wrote:

> > I have no idea what any of the words mean, but I wonder if this would
> > be helpful to someone trying to hook PHP into Struts:
> > http://www.php.net/manual/en/ref.java.php
> >
> > Seems like you should be able to pass stuff back and forth with no problem.
>
> Yeah, although I'm not sure how complete it is.  I think Zend is also doing some work on this front.
>
> Would be a cool topic for a presentation - Krook?  Zend folks?

Don't waste your time. This is old and unmaintained. Even Sam Ruby
agrees with me. :)

-adam

-- 
adam at trachtenberg.com | http://www.trachtenberg.com
author of o'reilly's "upgrading to php 5" and "php cookbook"
avoid the holiday rush, buy your copies today!


From jayeshsh at ceruleansky.com  Mon May  2 18:44:00 2005
From: jayeshsh at ceruleansky.com (Jayesh Sheth)
Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 18:44:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Struts and PHP
Message-ID: <62162.69.86.84.233.1115073840.squirrel@webmail.ceruleansky.com>

Hi guys,

I think that Zend is working on a new replacement for the old Java-PHP
bridge. I remember reading that somewhere, but I don't remember exactly
where. Perhaps I am wrong, but maybe a little Googling will help me
remember better.

Also - another easy way to connect a Java struts system to a set of PHP
scripts would be web services (XML-RPC or SOAP). You might be able to run
the Struts system on the standard port 80 in Apache, and PHP on port 81,
or somerthing. Then, if the Struts application needs to get information
from a PHP script, and if there is a Java XML-RPC client similar to the
jsolait one for JavaScript, then you could do something like (please
'translate' this JavaScript code to Java in your heads):

var serviceURL = "http://localhost:81/my_php_script.php";
var methods = [];

try
{
var service = new xmlrpc.ServiceProxy(serviceURL, methods);
document.write( service.sayHello() );
}

catch(e)
{
alert('Oops, that did not work out.');
}

So, the idea is to create a ServiceProxy object in Java, and call PHP
'methods' as if they were part of a local PHP object.

Hope that makes sense ...

- Jay



From mitch.pirtle at gmail.com  Mon May  2 20:50:49 2005
From: mitch.pirtle at gmail.com (Mitch Pirtle)
Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 20:50:49 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Groupware (sigh)
Message-ID: <330532b605050217505faf2cfb@mail.gmail.com>

Ok people,

I am desperate to find a PHP-based groupware system that I can use.
Have taken a look at several demos and just cannot for the life of me
find something that ends the pain. Here is what I am looking for:

* calendar (shared)
* tasks (shared)
* email
* files/documents (shared)

Many do these things, but here is the wrench that I keep throwing in
the engine. I want to be able to use external tools to access that
data as well, like Thunderbird for email, and Sunbird for the calendar
(iCal via ftp is fine with me).

Any of you know of a package that will do the external integration part?

-- Mitch


From 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com  Mon May  2 22:27:11 2005
From: 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com (inforequest)
Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 22:27:11 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Groupware (sigh)
In-Reply-To: <330532b605050217505faf2cfb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <330532b605050217505faf2cfb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <27438-88737@sneakemail.com>

Mitch Pirtle mitch.pirtle-at-gmail.com |nyphp dev/internal group use| wrote:

>Ok people,
>
>I am desperate to find a PHP-based groupware system that I can use.
>Have taken a look at several demos and just cannot for the life of me
>find something that ends the pain. Here is what I am looking for:
>
>* calendar (shared)
>* tasks (shared)
>* email
>* files/documents (shared)
>
>Many do these things, but here is the wrench that I keep throwing in
>the engine. I want to be able to use external tools to access that
>data as well, like Thunderbird for email, and Sunbird for the calendar
>(iCal via ftp is fine with me).
>
>Any of you know of a package that will do the external integration part?
>
>-- Mitch
>  
>
Nope. That's the holy grail, ain't it? Chandler-matic type stuff 
(Basecamp, Salesforce, and you it LAMP with an API, too!)

Sorry I can't help. Mitch, what's the best option you see so far?

-=john



From lists at zaunere.com  Mon May  2 23:28:09 2005
From: lists at zaunere.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 23:28:09 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Groupware (sigh)
In-Reply-To: <27438-88737@sneakemail.com>
Message-ID: <0MKyxe-1DSo4x1vVt-0001PL@mrelay.perfora.net>


> >I am desperate to find a PHP-based groupware system that I can use.
> >Have taken a look at several demos and just cannot for the life of me
> >find something that ends the pain. Here is what I am looking for:
> >
> >* calendar (shared)
> >* tasks (shared)
> >* email
> >* files/documents (shared)
> >
> >Many do these things, but here is the wrench that I keep throwing in
> >the engine. I want to be able to use external tools to access that
> >data as well, like Thunderbird for email, and Sunbird for the calendar
> >(iCal via ftp is fine with me).
> >
> >Any of you know of a package that will do the external integration part?
> >
> >-- Mitch
> >
> >
> Nope. That's the holy grail, ain't it? Chandler-matic type stuff
> (Basecamp, Salesforce, and you it LAMP with an API, too!)

Ditto... that's why Exchange is king...

Now, there is an "Exchange" that runs on Linux, and actually works quite well.  If your folks are using Outlook, Outlook 2003 doesn't even know the difference.

You might also want to check out Novell - they may be working on something, or have a beta already under SuSE.  I believe there were/are some projects on that attempt similar things, but then you likely won't have the PHP/Web side.

H




From brent at landover.com  Tue May  3 08:39:30 2005
From: brent at landover.com (Brent Baisley)
Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 08:39:30 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Groupware (sigh)
In-Reply-To: <330532b605050217505faf2cfb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <330532b605050217505faf2cfb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0a817a6f6ddc4ac24921c3577072d47c@landover.com>

I haven't seen anything that does all those nicely. You could create 
your own based on things that are out there. It would take a bit of 
coding to tie it all together, but since you have the source code, it 
would be doable.
  For calendar, you may look at WebCalendar 
(http://www.k5n.us/webcalendar.php), for tasks there is a very nice 
TasksPro (http://www.taskspro.com/), for email there is SquirrelMail of 
course. Can't think of anything for files/documents.

For email, you may also look at dbMail for the backend, which uses 
MySQL for storage, so you'll be able to access emails in just about any 
way you want.

On May 2, 2005, at 8:50 PM, Mitch Pirtle wrote:

> Ok people,
>
> I am desperate to find a PHP-based groupware system that I can use.
> Have taken a look at several demos and just cannot for the life of me
> find something that ends the pain. Here is what I am looking for:
>
> * calendar (shared)
> * tasks (shared)
> * email
> * files/documents (shared)
>
> Many do these things, but here is the wrench that I keep throwing in
> the engine. I want to be able to use external tools to access that
> data as well, like Thunderbird for email, and Sunbird for the calendar
> (iCal via ftp is fine with me).
>
> Any of you know of a package that will do the external integration 
> part?
>
> -- Mitch
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk Mailing List
> AMP Technology
> Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org
>
>
-- 
Brent Baisley
Systems Architect
Landover Associates, Inc.
Search & Advisory Services for Advanced Technology Environments
p: 212.759.6400/800.759.0577



From tom at supertom.com  Tue May  3 08:56:19 2005
From: tom at supertom.com (Tom Melendez)
Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 08:56:19 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Groupware (sigh)
In-Reply-To: <0a817a6f6ddc4ac24921c3577072d47c@landover.com>
References: <330532b605050217505faf2cfb@mail.gmail.com>
	<0a817a6f6ddc4ac24921c3577072d47c@landover.com>
Message-ID: <427774F3.8050709@supertom.com>

Although not complete as of yet, it is coming:

http://www.hula-project.org/Hula_Features

This project is sponsored by Novell, and looks pretty damn sweet. My 
coworker has it running at home, it is buggy, but pretty cool nonetheless.

Tom
http://www.liphp.org

Brent Baisley wrote:

> I haven't seen anything that does all those nicely. You could create 
> your own based on things that are out there. It would take a bit of 
> coding to tie it all together, but since you have the source code, it 
> would be doable.
> For calendar, you may look at WebCalendar 
> (http://www.k5n.us/webcalendar.php), for tasks there is a very nice 
> TasksPro (http://www.taskspro.com/), for email there is SquirrelMail 
> of course. Can't think of anything for files/documents.
>
> For email, you may also look at dbMail for the backend, which uses 
> MySQL for storage, so you'll be able to access emails in just about 
> any way you want.
>
> On May 2, 2005, at 8:50 PM, Mitch Pirtle wrote:
>
>> Ok people,
>>
>> I am desperate to find a PHP-based groupware system that I can use.
>> Have taken a look at several demos and just cannot for the life of me
>> find something that ends the pain. Here is what I am looking for:
>>
>> * calendar (shared)
>> * tasks (shared)
>> * email
>> * files/documents (shared)
>>
>> Many do these things, but here is the wrench that I keep throwing in
>> the engine. I want to be able to use external tools to access that
>> data as well, like Thunderbird for email, and Sunbird for the calendar
>> (iCal via ftp is fine with me).
>>
>> Any of you know of a package that will do the external integration part?
>>
>> -- Mitch
>> _______________________________________________
>> New York PHP Talk Mailing List
>> AMP Technology
>> Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP
>> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>> http://www.nyphp.org
>>
>>



From psaw at pswebcode.com  Tue May  3 09:03:51 2005
From: psaw at pswebcode.com (Peter Sawczynec)
Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 09:03:51 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Groupware (sigh)
In-Reply-To: <330532b605050217505faf2cfb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001f01c54fe0$90e19a60$6400a8c0@yourx1adg12jme>

Please look at: PHPProjekt http://www.phprojekt.com/features.php
Has what you need, even has chat...

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On
Behalf Of Mitch Pirtle
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 8:51 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Groupware (sigh)


Ok people,

I am desperate to find a PHP-based groupware system that I can use. Have
taken a look at several demos and just cannot for the life of me find
something that ends the pain. Here is what I am looking for:

* calendar (shared)
* tasks (shared)
* email
* files/documents (shared)

Many do these things, but here is the wrench that I keep throwing in the
engine. I want to be able to use external tools to access that data as well,
like Thunderbird for email, and Sunbird for the calendar (iCal via ftp is
fine with me).

Any of you know of a package that will do the external integration part?

-- Mitch
_______________________________________________
New York PHP Talk Mailing List
AMP Technology
Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP
http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
http://www.nyphp.org




From nhart at musicpf.org  Tue May  3 09:10:00 2005
From: nhart at musicpf.org (NH)
Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 09:10:00 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Groupware (sigh)
In-Reply-To: <330532b605050217505faf2cfb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <330532b605050217505faf2cfb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <42777828.5020606@musicpf.org>

Mitch Pirtle wrote:

>Ok people,
>
>I am desperate to find a PHP-based groupware system that I can use.
>Have taken a look at several demos and just cannot for the life of me
>find something that ends the pain. Here is what I am looking for:
>
>* calendar (shared)
>* tasks (shared)
>* email
>* files/documents (shared)
>
>Many do these things, but here is the wrench that I keep throwing in
>the engine. I want to be able to use external tools to access that
>data as well, like Thunderbird for email, and Sunbird for the calendar
>(iCal via ftp is fine with me).
>
>Any of you know of a package that will do the external integration part?
>
>-- Mitch
>_______________________________________________
>New York PHP Talk Mailing List
>AMP Technology
>Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP
>http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>http://www.nyphp.org
>
>
>  
>
Have you looked at egroupware?  (www.egroupware.org).  I was playing 
with this some time back and it looked quite promising.  For secure 
document sharing, take a look at OpenAFS.

-Nick H.





From chsnyder at gmail.com  Tue May  3 09:56:43 2005
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (csnyder)
Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 09:56:43 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Groupware (sigh)
In-Reply-To: <42777828.5020606@musicpf.org>
References: <330532b605050217505faf2cfb@mail.gmail.com>
	<42777828.5020606@musicpf.org>
Message-ID: <b7625269050503065625d44dc4@mail.gmail.com>

I'm working on one of these (though the name Groupware makes me
shudder) based on earlier forays into calendaring, file sharing, and
mailing lists.

Not that it helps you right now, Mitch, but the future is bright for
"Exchange workarounds" coded with PHP. Glad to see that other projects
are coming along as well.


From max at neuropunks.org  Tue May  3 10:07:05 2005
From: max at neuropunks.org (max)
Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 09:07:05 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Groupware (sigh)
In-Reply-To: <0MKyxe-1DSo4x1vVt-0001PL@mrelay.perfora.net>
References: <27438-88737@sneakemail.com>
	<0MKyxe-1DSo4x1vVt-0001PL@mrelay.perfora.net>
Message-ID: <20050503140705.GA25852@neuropunks.org>

Yes, check this out: http://www.bynari.net/
Its not free, but its a good and solid solution. Its basically postfix, openldap, imap/pop server with some custom glue, and not too ridiculous of a licensing scheme.
I am not terribly up to date on this type of software, but in the past when I had to find something like this for a client, I ended up recommending spending money, because I wasnt able to find anything that was a complete solution for free. Even on freshmeat the ones that *seem* to be good are not free.
You can always code alot and charge 100 bucks an hour : )


O, Mon, May 02, 2005 at 11:28:09PM -0400, Hans Zaunere wrote:
> 
> > >I am desperate to find a PHP-based groupware system that I can use.
> > >Have taken a look at several demos and just cannot for the life of me
> > >find something that ends the pain. Here is what I am looking for:
> > >
> > >* calendar (shared)
> > >* tasks (shared)
> > >* email
> > >* files/documents (shared)
> > >
> > >Many do these things, but here is the wrench that I keep throwing in
> > >the engine. I want to be able to use external tools to access that
> > >data as well, like Thunderbird for email, and Sunbird for the calendar
> > >(iCal via ftp is fine with me).
> > >
> > >Any of you know of a package that will do the external integration part?
> > >
> > >-- Mitch
> > >
> > >
> > Nope. That's the holy grail, ain't it? Chandler-matic type stuff
> > (Basecamp, Salesforce, and you it LAMP with an API, too!)
> 
> Ditto... that's why Exchange is king...
> 
> Now, there is an "Exchange" that runs on Linux, and actually works quite well.  If your folks are using Outlook, Outlook 2003 doesn't even know the difference.
> 
> You might also want to check out Novell - they may be working on something, or have a beta already under SuSE.  I believe there were/are some projects on that attempt similar things, but then you likely won't have the PHP/Web side.
> 
> H
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk Mailing List
> AMP Technology
> Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org
> 


From mwithington at PLMresearch.com  Tue May  3 10:14:32 2005
From: mwithington at PLMresearch.com (Mark Withington)
Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 10:14:32 -0400 
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Groupware (sigh)
Message-ID: <1F3CD8DDFB6A9B4C9B8DD06E4A7DE358D6A180@network.PLMresearch.com>

Not sure if this gets you any closer, but try looking at TUTOS
http://www.tutos.org/homepage/ 

--------------------------
Mark L. Withington
PLMresearch
v: 508-746-2383
m: 508-801-0181
Calendar: http://www.plmdev.com/plmr/plmresearch.com/calendar.php




> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org 
> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of max
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 10:07 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP Groupware (sigh)
> 
> 
> Yes, check this out: http://www.bynari.net/
> Its not free, but its a good and solid solution. Its 
> basically postfix, openldap, imap/pop server with some custom 
> glue, and not too ridiculous of a licensing scheme. I am not 
> terribly up to date on this type of software, but in the past 
> when I had to find something like this for a client, I ended 
> up recommending spending money, because I wasnt able to find 
> anything that was a complete solution for free. Even on 
> freshmeat the ones that *seem* to be good are not free. You 
> can always code alot and charge 100 bucks an hour : )
> 
> 
> O, Mon, May 02, 2005 at 11:28:09PM -0400, Hans Zaunere wrote:
> > 
> > > >I am desperate to find a PHP-based groupware system that 
> I can use. 
> > > >Have taken a look at several demos and just cannot for 
> the life of 
> > > >me find something that ends the pain. Here is what I am looking 
> > > >for:
> > > >
> > > >* calendar (shared)
> > > >* tasks (shared)
> > > >* email
> > > >* files/documents (shared)
> > > >
> > > >Many do these things, but here is the wrench that I keep 
> throwing 
> > > >in the engine. I want to be able to use external tools to access 
> > > >that data as well, like Thunderbird for email, and 
> Sunbird for the 
> > > >calendar (iCal via ftp is fine with me).
> > > >
> > > >Any of you know of a package that will do the external 
> integration 
> > > >part?
> > > >
> > > >-- Mitch
> > > >
> > > >
> > > Nope. That's the holy grail, ain't it? Chandler-matic type stuff 
> > > (Basecamp, Salesforce, and you it LAMP with an API, too!)
> > 
> > Ditto... that's why Exchange is king...
> > 
> > Now, there is an "Exchange" that runs on Linux, and actually works 
> > quite well.  If your folks are using Outlook, Outlook 2003 doesn't 
> > even know the difference.
> > 
> > You might also want to check out Novell - they may be working on 
> > something, or have a beta already under SuSE.  I believe there 
> > were/are some projects on that attempt similar things, but then you 
> > likely won't have the PHP/Web side.
> > 
> > H
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > New York PHP Talk Mailing List
> > AMP Technology
> > Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP 
> > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> > http://www.nyphp.org
> > 
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk Mailing List
> AMP Technology
> Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP 
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org
> 


From agfische at email.smith.edu  Tue May  3 10:31:17 2005
From: agfische at email.smith.edu (Aaron Fischer)
Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 10:31:17 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Printable PHP Cheat Sheet
In-Reply-To: <b7625269050423080777f62d40@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b7625269050423080777f62d40@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8afaa64501479eb7574b94d7949b2f40@email.smith.edu>

Thanks for the link, that's very helpful.  Looking around my office for 
an appropriate place of honor to put it up...

-Aaron

On Apr 23, 2005, at 11:07 AM, csnyder wrote:

> Here's a lovely desk accessory (or even a placemat for your baby's
> highchair) that might cut down on  roundtrips to the PHP manual.
> http://www.ilovejackdaniels.com/php_cheat_sheet.png
>
> I haven't checked it for typos or anything, but it looks pretty handy.
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk Mailing List
> AMP Technology
> Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org



From mitch.pirtle at gmail.com  Tue May  3 11:23:53 2005
From: mitch.pirtle at gmail.com (Mitch Pirtle)
Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 11:23:53 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Groupware (sigh)
In-Reply-To: <b7625269050503065625d44dc4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <330532b605050217505faf2cfb@mail.gmail.com>
	<42777828.5020606@musicpf.org>
	<b7625269050503065625d44dc4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <330532b605050308236be17d86@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/3/05, csnyder <chsnyder at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Not that it helps you right now, Mitch, but the future is bright for
> "Exchange workarounds" coded with PHP. Glad to see that other projects
> are coming along as well.

Oh thanks Chris. That is really reassuring.

-- Mitch, with an evil grin on his face


From mitch.pirtle at gmail.com  Tue May  3 11:29:13 2005
From: mitch.pirtle at gmail.com (Mitch Pirtle)
Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 11:29:13 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Groupware (sigh)
In-Reply-To: <20050503140705.GA25852@neuropunks.org>
References: <27438-88737@sneakemail.com>
	<0MKyxe-1DSo4x1vVt-0001PL@mrelay.perfora.net>
	<20050503140705.GA25852@neuropunks.org>
Message-ID: <330532b605050308293f758125@mail.gmail.com>

Bynari is an excellent suite of software, but is primarily targeted as
an Exchange replacement. They were one of the reasons that IBM was so
quick to get linux running on their mainframe servers, so they could
pitch mission-critical messaging platforms and dominate that very
lucrative market.

I'm also looking for project management stuff, but Bynari is
definitely king of the hill for general messaging/groupware stuff. The
pricing is not so bad either.

-- Mitch

On 5/3/05, max <max at neuropunks.org> wrote:
> Yes, check this out: http://www.bynari.net/
> Its not free, but its a good and solid solution. Its basically postfix, openldap, imap/pop server with some custom glue, and not too ridiculous of a licensing scheme.
> I am not terribly up to date on this type of software, but in the past when I had to find something like this for a client, I ended up recommending spending money, because I wasnt able to find anything that was a complete solution for free. Even on freshmeat the ones that *seem* to be good are not free.
> You can always code alot and charge 100 bucks an hour : )
> 
> 
> O, Mon, May 02, 2005 at 11:28:09PM -0400, Hans Zaunere wrote:
> >
> > > >I am desperate to find a PHP-based groupware system that I can use.
> > > >Have taken a look at several demos and just cannot for the life of me
> > > >find something that ends the pain. Here is what I am looking for:
> > > >
> > > >* calendar (shared)
> > > >* tasks (shared)
> > > >* email
> > > >* files/documents (shared)
> > > >
> > > >Many do these things, but here is the wrench that I keep throwing in
> > > >the engine. I want to be able to use external tools to access that
> > > >data as well, like Thunderbird for email, and Sunbird for the calendar
> > > >(iCal via ftp is fine with me).
> > > >
> > > >Any of you know of a package that will do the external integration part?
> > > >
> > > >-- Mitch
> > > >
> > > >
> > > Nope. That's the holy grail, ain't it? Chandler-matic type stuff
> > > (Basecamp, Salesforce, and you it LAMP with an API, too!)
> >
> > Ditto... that's why Exchange is king...
> >
> > Now, there is an "Exchange" that runs on Linux, and actually works quite well.  If your folks are using Outlook, Outlook 2003 doesn't even know the difference.
> >
> > You might also want to check out Novell - they may be working on something, or have a beta already under SuSE.  I believe there were/are some projects on that attempt similar things, but then you likely won't have the PHP/Web side.
> >
> > H
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > New York PHP Talk Mailing List
> > AMP Technology
> > Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP
> > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> > http://www.nyphp.org
> >
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk Mailing List
> AMP Technology
> Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org
>


From jayeshsh at ceruleansky.com  Tue May  3 12:35:40 2005
From: jayeshsh at ceruleansky.com (Jayesh Sheth)
Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 12:35:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Groupware (sigh)
Message-ID: <33479.69.86.84.233.1115138140.squirrel@webmail.ceruleansky.com>

Hi guys,

I had tried an online demo of SuSe's OpenExchange server some time ago,
and found it to be quite good. They seem to be burying it within SuSe's
site now, so I don't know if this (good) product is destined to be retired
after Novell's purchase of SuSe. But it is still worth a look:

Screenshots:
http://www.novell.com/products/openexchange/screenshots.html

There is an 'open letter' to customers stating that the status of this
product may change in the future:
http://www.novell.com/products/openexchange/slox_future.html

It is a bit expensive to license, but seems really nice. It is also web
based.

Best regards,

- Jay Sheth




From codebowl at gmail.com  Tue May  3 12:59:42 2005
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 12:59:42 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Groupware (sigh)
In-Reply-To: <33479.69.86.84.233.1115138140.squirrel@webmail.ceruleansky.com>
References: <33479.69.86.84.233.1115138140.squirrel@webmail.ceruleansky.com>
Message-ID: <8d9a428005050309594cf7e282@mail.gmail.com>

well why doesnt NYPHP develop something like this?


-- 
Joseph Crawford Jr.
Codebowl Solutions
codebowl at gmail.com
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From lists at zaunere.com  Tue May  3 18:25:55 2005
From: lists at zaunere.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 18:25:55 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Two Interesting Stories
Message-ID: <0MKz1m-1DT5q048E4-0004od@mrelay.perfora.net>


> Subject: Oracle's announced intention to lead the effort to build an open source and
> support PHP in a big way 
> 
> http://www.oracle.com/technology/tech/php/index.html


> Title:
>   GPL Sued For "Software Price Fixing"
> 
> Link:
>   http://linuxbusinessnews.sys-con.com/read/80782.htm



---
Hans Zaunere
President, Founder

New York PHP
http://www.nyphp.org

AMP Technology
Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP





From chsnyder at gmail.com  Tue May  3 18:40:43 2005
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (csnyder)
Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 18:40:43 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Two Interesting Stories
In-Reply-To: <0MKz1m-1DT5q048E4-0004od@mrelay.perfora.net>
References: <0MKz1m-1DT5q048E4-0004od@mrelay.perfora.net>
Message-ID: <b762526905050315407dacbe8b@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/3/05, Hans Zaunere <lists at zaunere.com> wrote:

> > Title:
> >   GPL Sued For "Software Price Fixing"

In other news, Walmart sues libraries, alleges illegal government
subsidy of media consumption.


From rahmin at insite-out.com  Wed May  4 09:26:43 2005
From: rahmin at insite-out.com (Rahmin Pavlovic)
Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 09:26:43 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] image resizing quality loss
Message-ID: <4278CD93.4080702@insite-out.com>

I'm building a tool to resize large jpegs down to two smaller versions. 
  The resized images look over-sharpened, with jaggedy-edges.  I can't 
tell if this is a result of how I'm doing it or if it's something else. 
  Here's basically what I'm doing:

$image_file=@imagecreatefromjpeg('temp.jpg');
$new_image=imagecreate($new_width,$new_height);
$new_image_name=$naming_convention.'.jpg';
imagecopyresized($new_image,$image_file,0,0,0,0,$new_width,$new_height,$image_size[0],$image_size[1]);
imagejpeg($new_image,$new_image_name,100);

Even tho I have the jpeg quality set to 100, the new images look way 
brighter, sharper and more pixelated, detracting from the quality.  Does 
anyone know if/how I can tweak this behavior?


From dcech at phpwerx.net  Wed May  4 09:23:38 2005
From: dcech at phpwerx.net (Dan Cech)
Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 09:23:38 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] image resizing quality loss
In-Reply-To: <4278CD93.4080702@insite-out.com>
References: <4278CD93.4080702@insite-out.com>
Message-ID: <4278CCDA.1090806@phpwerx.net>

You may want to look into using the imagecopyresampled function if you 
are running GD 2.0.1 or later.

I would also recommend investigating ImageMagick, as I've had very good 
luck with it in the past. (Personally I like to use the "montage" 
program it provides for doing image resizing and thumbnails.)

Dan

Rahmin Pavlovic wrote:
> I'm building a tool to resize large jpegs down to two smaller versions. 
>  The resized images look over-sharpened, with jaggedy-edges.  I can't 
> tell if this is a result of how I'm doing it or if it's something else. 
>  Here's basically what I'm doing:
> 
> $image_file=@imagecreatefromjpeg('temp.jpg');
> $new_image=imagecreate($new_width,$new_height);
> $new_image_name=$naming_convention.'.jpg';
> imagecopyresized($new_image,$image_file,0,0,0,0,$new_width,$new_height,$image_size[0],$image_size[1]); 
> 
> imagejpeg($new_image,$new_image_name,100);
> 
> Even tho I have the jpeg quality set to 100, the new images look way 
> brighter, sharper and more pixelated, detracting from the quality.  Does 
> anyone know if/how I can tweak this behavior?


From psaw at pswebcode.com  Wed May  4 11:17:53 2005
From: psaw at pswebcode.com (Peter Sawczynec)
Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 11:17:53 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] image resizing quality loss
In-Reply-To: <4278CD93.4080702@insite-out.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c550bc$74b415c0$6400a8c0@yourx1adg12jme>

I have worked on several projects now where I have used gd 1.x, gd 2.x and
ImageMagick 6.x

My casual observations have been:
gd 1.x to be poorer.
gd 2.x to much better in quality.
And, ImageMagick 6.x to be real good and faster.

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On
Behalf Of Rahmin Pavlovic
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 9:27 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] image resizing quality loss


I'm building a tool to resize large jpegs down to two smaller versions. 
  The resized images look over-sharpened, with jaggedy-edges.  I can't 
tell if this is a result of how I'm doing it or if it's something else. 
  Here's basically what I'm doing:

$image_file=@imagecreatefromjpeg('temp.jpg');
$new_image=imagecreate($new_width,$new_height);
$new_image_name=$naming_convention.'.jpg';
imagecopyresized($new_image,$image_file,0,0,0,0,$new_width,$new_height,$imag
e_size[0],$image_size[1]);
imagejpeg($new_image,$new_image_name,100);

Even tho I have the jpeg quality set to 100, the new images look way 
brighter, sharper and more pixelated, detracting from the quality.  Does 
anyone know if/how I can tweak this behavior?
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From 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com  Wed May  4 11:55:09 2005
From: 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com (inforequest)
Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 11:55:09 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] is your firewall getting you dropped from the
	search engines?
In-Reply-To: <20050502155811.GA97307@neuropunks.org>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0504301323540.93966@emra.pair.com>	<20050502150016.GA22843@neuropunks.org>	<29862-56419@sneakemail.com>
	<20050502155811.GA97307@neuropunks.org>
Message-ID: <23949-61519@sneakemail.com>

Given the interest in search engine work I'm cross-posting this here f.y.i.

Reports are coming in that SonicWall firewalls are now delivered 
preconfigured to block any IP that requests robots.txt. SonicWall 
allegedy included this via two of the thousands of recommended default 
security policies. What this means is that search engine spiders will be 
blocked from your site, and that will lead to being dropped from the 
indexes. In fact, some webmasters only found out about this when 
multiple websites were dropped following a firewall upgrade.

This appears to be a major blunder, given how difficult it can be to get 
back into some SEs these days. The justification is ok, but having it ON 
by default or as part of a set of recommended policies is a blunder. 
(because robots.txt holds info on where you do not want spiders to go, 
it may highlight areas of your web server that contain privileged 
information. Given that, the robots.txt may provide sensitive info, and 
that is why Sonicwall claims it is a security risk)

Since many webmasters have no involvement with their network firewalls 
it is probably very wise to give a heads-up to the netadmin people, or 
to otherwise be aware of this issue.

see
http://software.sonicwall.com/applications/ips/index.asp?ev=sig&sigid=1600
http://software.sonicwall.com/applications/ips/index.asp?ev=sig&sigid=1601
http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum93/631.htm


-=john andrews
http://www.seo-fun.com



From yury at heavenspa.com  Wed May  4 11:57:50 2005
From: yury at heavenspa.com (Yury :: heavenspa web services)
Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 11:57:50 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FTP - users/access
In-Reply-To: <000d01c550bc$74b415c0$6400a8c0@yourx1adg12jme>
Message-ID: <ECEKLPHECCLGFGAFEPEJEEBEEEAA.yury@heavenspa.com>

Hi folks.. i need to find an easy way to make FTP users on the fly. Client
wants to give users individual usernames/passwords for FTP access ( can be
10 - 100 ). Can you suggest a script or an easy way to accomdate this..
should be relatively easy as the cleint wants to be able to do it himself.

tia
y



From atul at monkeyclan.com  Wed May  4 12:03:39 2005
From: atul at monkeyclan.com (Atul Ohri)
Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 12:03:39 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] image resizing quality loss
Message-ID: <4278F25B.3010102@monkeyclan.com>

I also have used ImageMagick 6.x and GD 2.x and although ImageMagick 
appears to be easier to use GD is not bad if you want to just use 
something that's already built into PHP.

There's a couple reasons you're getting poor image quality.  Definitely 
use imagecopyresampled, as Dan recommended, and also use 
imagecreatetruecolor instead of imagecreate.

Hope that helps!

Atul



From gatzby3jr at gmail.com  Wed May  4 12:45:30 2005
From: gatzby3jr at gmail.com (Brian O'Connor)
Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 12:45:30 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] image resizing quality loss
In-Reply-To: <4278F25B.3010102@monkeyclan.com>
References: <4278F25B.3010102@monkeyclan.com>
Message-ID: <29da5d15050504094551fae25d@mail.gmail.com>

I had the same problem on my website and imagecreatetruecolor solved it for me.

On 5/4/05, Atul Ohri <atul at monkeyclan.com> wrote:
> I also have used ImageMagick 6.x and GD 2.x and although ImageMagick
> appears to be easier to use GD is not bad if you want to just use
> something that's already built into PHP.
> 
> There's a couple reasons you're getting poor image quality.  Definitely
> use imagecopyresampled, as Dan recommended, and also use
> imagecreatetruecolor instead of imagecreate.
> 
> Hope that helps!
> 
> Atul
> 
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From rahmin at insite-out.com  Wed May  4 12:45:42 2005
From: rahmin at insite-out.com (Rahmin Pavlovic)
Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 12:45:42 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] image resizing quality loss
Message-ID: <200505041645.j44GjgZb000366@webmail3.megamailservers.com>

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From chsnyder at gmail.com  Wed May  4 12:58:02 2005
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (csnyder)
Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 12:58:02 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] is your firewall getting you dropped from the
	search engines?
In-Reply-To: <23949-61519@sneakemail.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0504301323540.93966@emra.pair.com>
	<20050502150016.GA22843@neuropunks.org> <29862-56419@sneakemail.com>
	<20050502155811.GA97307@neuropunks.org> <23949-61519@sneakemail.com>
Message-ID: <b76252690505040958674c3797@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/4/05, inforequest <1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com> wrote:
> (because robots.txt holds info on where you do not want spiders to go,
> it may highlight areas of your web server that contain privileged
> information. Given that, the robots.txt may provide sensitive info, and
> that is why Sonicwall claims it is a security risk)

The argument that robots.txt can be used as a roadmap to private areas
is bogus -- private areas should be password protected. I suppose they
would consider rel="nofollow" tags to be a security risk as well, eh?


From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Wed May  4 13:43:28 2005
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 13:43:28 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] SecurityFocus Newsletter #297
Message-ID: <20050504174327.GA28503@panix.com>

SecurityFocus Newsletter #297

PHP
---
PHP Group PHP Multiple Unspecified Vulnerabilities [in 4.3.11 and 5.0.3]
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13143

PHP Group Exif Module IFD Tag Integer Overflow Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13163

PHP Group Exif Module IFD Nesting Denial Of Service Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13164


APPLICATIONS USING PHP
----------------------
RadScripts RadBids Gold Multiple Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13080

Azerbaijan Development Group AzDGDatingPlatinum Multiple Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13082

File Upload Script PHPBB Module Arbitrary Script Upload Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13084

ModernGigabyte ModernBill News.PHP File Include Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13086

ModernGigabyte ModernBill C_CODE Parameter Cross-Site Scripting 
Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13087

ModernGigabyte ModernBill Aid Parameter Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13089

TowerBlog User Credential Exposure Weakness
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13090

Zoom Media Gallery Index.PHP SQL Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13094

Invision Power Board ST Parameter SQL Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13097

JPortal Banner.PHP SQL Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13103

AEwebworks Dating Software AeDating Index.PHP Local File Inc...
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13108

AEwebworks Dating Software AeDating Sdating.PHP SQL Injectio...
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13111

AEwebworks Dating Software AeDating Control Panel Cross-Site...
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13113

XAMPP CDS.PHP Remote HTML Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13126

XAMPP Phonebook.PHP Remote HTML Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13127

XAMPP Insecure Default Password Disclosure Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13131

EGroupWare EMail Attachment Information Disclosure Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13137

Pinnacle Cart Index.PHP Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13138

PHPBB2 Plus GroupCP.PHP Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13149

PHPBB2 Plus Index.PHP Multiple Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13150

PHPBB2 Plus Portal.PHP Multiple Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13151

PHPBB2 Plus ViewForum.PHP Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13152

PHPBB2 Plus ViewTopic.PHP Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13153

PHPBB Photo Album Module Album_Search.PHP SQL Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13155

PHPBB Photo Album Module Album_Cat.PHP Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13157

PHPBB Photo Album Module Album_Comment.PHP Cross-Site Scripting 
Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13158

S9Y Serendipity Exit.PHP SQL injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13161

All4WWW-HomePageCreator Index.PHP Arbitrary Remote File Incl...
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13169

SPHPBlog Search.PHP Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13170

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From chsnyder at gmail.com  Wed May  4 13:58:47 2005
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (csnyder)
Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 13:58:47 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] SecurityFocus Newsletter #297
In-Reply-To: <20050504174327.GA28503@panix.com>
References: <20050504174327.GA28503@panix.com>
Message-ID: <b7625269050504105833194656@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/4/05, Daniel Convissor <danielc at analysisandsolutions.com> wrote:
> SecurityFocus Newsletter #297

Looks like Cross Site Scripting wins this week! 
Maybe we should start a pool...


-- 
Chris Snyder
http://chxo.com/


From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Wed May  4 14:19:02 2005
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 14:19:02 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] SecurityFocus Newsletter #298
Message-ID: <20050504181902.GA4370@panix.com>

SecurityFocus Newsletter #298

SecurityFocus Newsletter #298APPLICATIONS USING PHP
----------------------
Ariadne CMS Remote File Include Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13206

PHPBB Remote Mod.PHP SQL Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13209

Datenbank Module For PHPBB Remote Mod.PHP Cross-Site Scripting 
Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13210

eGroupWare Multiple Cross-Site Scripting and SQL Injection V...
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13212

Coppermine Photo Gallery X-Forwarded-For Logging HTML Inject...
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13218

JAWS Glossary HTML Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13254

CityPost PHP LNKX Message.PHP Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13255

CityPost PHP Image Editor M1 URI Parameter Cross-Site Scripting 
Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13256

CityPost PHP Image Editor M2 URI Parameter Cross-Site Script...   
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13257

CityPost PHP Image Editor M3 URI Parameter Cross-Site Script...   
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13258

CityPost PHP Image Editor Imgsrc URI Parameter Cross-Site Sc...   
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13259

CityPost PHP Image Editor M4 URI Parameter Cross-Site Script...   
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13260

CityPost Simple PHP Upload Simple-upload-53.PHP Cross-Site S...   
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13261

AZ Bulletin Board Remote File Include Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13272

AZ Bulletin Board Attachment Parameter Remote Directory Trav...     
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13277

AZ Bulletin Board Directory Traversal Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13278

Netref Cat_for_gen.PHP Remote PHP Script Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13275

PHP Labs proFile Dir URI Variable Cross-Site Scripting Vulne...       
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13276

PHP Labs proFile File URI Variable Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13282

PHPBB-Auction Module Auction_Rating.PHP SQL Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13283

PHPBB-Auction Module Auction_Offer.PHP SQL Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13284

PHProjekt Chatroom Text Submission HTML Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13286

Coppermine Photo Gallery Favs SQL Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13287

Coppermine Photo Gallery ZipDownload.PHP SQL Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13289

FlexPHPNews News.PHP SQL Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13297

ProfitCode Software PayProCart Username Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13299

ProfitCode Software PayProCart ChckOutAction Cross-Site Scripting 
Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13302

ProfitCode Software PayProCart Ckprvd Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13303

ProfitCode Software PayProCart PageID Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13304

ProfitCode Software PayProCart AdminShop HDoc Cross-Site Scripting 
Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13305

ProfitCode Software PayProCart AdminShop ModID Cross-Site Sc...
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13306

ProfitCode Software PayProCart AdminShop TaskID Cross-Site S...
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13307

ProfitCode Software PayProCart AdminShop ProMod Cross-Site S...
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13308

ProfitCode Software PayProCart AdminShop MMActionComm Cross-...
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13309

MediaWiki Unspecified HTML Tidy Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13301


RELATED STUFF
-------------
Mozilla Suite And Firefox Search Plug-In Remote Script Code ...
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13211

Mozilla Firefox PLUGINSPAGE Remote Script Code Execution Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13228

Mozilla Suite And Firefox Blocked Pop-Up Window Remote Scrip...
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13229

Mozilla Suite And Firefox Global Scope Pollution Cross-Site ...
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13230

Mozilla Firefox Search Target Sidebar Panel Script Code Exec...
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13231

Mozilla Suite And Firefox XPInstall JavaScript Object Instan...
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13232

Mozilla Suite And Firefox Document Object Model Nodes Code E...
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13233

CVS Unspecified Buffer Overflow And Memory Access Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13217

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From 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com  Wed May  4 14:30:53 2005
From: 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com (inforequest)
Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 14:30:53 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] SecurityFocus Newsletter #297
Message-ID: <22751-25968@sneakemail.com>

there was probably a tutorial published two weeks ago. 

I like the idea of a pool, although it would be too easy to rig ;-)

-----Original Message-----
From: 
	"csnyder chsnyder-at-gmail.com |nyphp dev/internal group use|" <...>
Sent: May 4, 2005 1:58 PM
To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] SecurityFocus Newsletter #297

On 5/4/05, Daniel Convissor <danielc at analysisandsolutions.com> wrote:
> SecurityFocus Newsletter #297

Looks like Cross Site Scripting wins this week! 
Maybe we should start a pool...


-- 
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http://chxo.com/
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From lists at zaunere.com  Wed May  4 20:18:05 2005
From: lists at zaunere.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 20:18:05 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] SecurityFocus Newsletter #297
In-Reply-To: <20050504174327.GA28503@panix.com>
Message-ID: <0MKz1m-1DTU463POx-00016N@mrelay.perfora.net>


> SecurityFocus Newsletter #297
> 
> PHP
> ---
> PHP Group PHP Multiple Unspecified Vulnerabilities [in 4.3.11 and 5.0.3]
> http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13143

Can someone explain this one to me?  There is no exploit, no description, no nothing... and this is far from the first time that security focus publishes these types of exploits, PHP or not.


---
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President, Founder

New York PHP
http://www.nyphp.org

AMP Technology
Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP





From lists at zaunere.com  Wed May  4 20:20:35 2005
From: lists at zaunere.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 20:20:35 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FTP - users/access
In-Reply-To: <ECEKLPHECCLGFGAFEPEJEEBEEEAA.yury@heavenspa.com>
Message-ID: <0MKz1m-1DTU6W3ueS-00019Q@mrelay.perfora.net>


> Hi folks.. i need to find an easy way to make FTP users on the fly. Client
> wants to give users individual usernames/passwords for FTP access ( can be
> 10 - 100 ). Can you suggest a script or an easy way to accomdate this..
> should be relatively easy as the cleint wants to be able to do it himself.

Depends on the FTP daemon.  If it's something modern, like ProFTPd, you can plug it into a database like MySQL, which is then trivial to work with.

H




From mitch.pirtle at gmail.com  Wed May  4 20:49:12 2005
From: mitch.pirtle at gmail.com (Mitch Pirtle)
Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 20:49:12 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FTP - users/access
In-Reply-To: <0MKz1m-1DTU6W3ueS-00019Q@mrelay.perfora.net>
References: <ECEKLPHECCLGFGAFEPEJEEBEEEAA.yury@heavenspa.com>
	<0MKz1m-1DTU6W3ueS-00019Q@mrelay.perfora.net>
Message-ID: <330532b6050504174956baa48e@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/4/05, Hans Zaunere <lists at zaunere.com> wrote:
> 
> Depends on the FTP daemon.  If it's something modern, like ProFTPd, you can plug it into a database like MySQL, which is then trivial to work with.

Ditto for vsftpd (very secure ftp daemon) - which not only is secure,
but is fast, fast, fast! Also a good fit for virtual account setups
and external authentication schemes.

-- Mitch


From nyphp at n0p.net  Wed May  4 21:22:51 2005
From: nyphp at n0p.net (Flavio daCosta)
Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 21:22:51 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] SecurityFocus Newsletter #297
In-Reply-To: <0MKz1m-1DTU463POx-00016N@mrelay.perfora.net>
References: <0MKz1m-1DTU463POx-00016N@mrelay.perfora.net>
Message-ID: <1115256171.8891.22.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2005-05-04 at 20:18 -0400, Hans Zaunere wrote:
> > SecurityFocus Newsletter #297
> > 
> > PHP
> > ---
> > PHP Group PHP Multiple Unspecified Vulnerabilities [in 4.3.11 and 5.0.3]
> > http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13143
> 
> Can someone explain this one to me?  There is no exploit, no description, 
> no nothing... and this is far from the first time that security focus 
> publishes these types of exploits, PHP or not.

As to the authoritative answer to why they include it, I do not know,
but here is my assumption.

In the PHP 4.3.11 Release Announcement they mention "...addresses
several security issues inside the exif and fbsql extensions as well as
the unserialize(), swf_definepoly() and getimagesize() functions"

http://www.php.net/release_4_3_11.php

Also reviewing the ChangeLog and with all the _bug_ fixes one can only
assume that many of these _could_ be potential vulnerabilities.

http://www.php.net/release_4_3_11.php

http://www.php.net/ChangeLog-5.php#5.0.4

All this coupled with their desire to be an definitive source for
security/update information, I can see why they would identify version
upgrades regardless of whether there is a known vulnerability/exploit.

Just my opinion.

Flavio




From lists at zaunere.com  Wed May  4 21:48:45 2005
From: lists at zaunere.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 21:48:45 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] SecurityFocus Newsletter #297
In-Reply-To: <1115256171.8891.22.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <0MKz1m-1DTVTr1aJL-0003Zn@mrelay.perfora.net>


> > > SecurityFocus Newsletter #297
> > >
> > > PHP
> > > ---
> > > PHP Group PHP Multiple Unspecified Vulnerabilities [in 4.3.11 and 5.0.3]
> > > http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13143
> >
> > Can someone explain this one to me?  There is no exploit, no description,
> > no nothing... and this is far from the first time that security focus
> > publishes these types of exploits, PHP or not.
> 
> As to the authoritative answer to why they include it, I do not know,
> but here is my assumption.
> 
> In the PHP 4.3.11 Release Announcement they mention "...addresses
> several security issues inside the exif and fbsql extensions as well as
> the unserialize(), swf_definepoly() and getimagesize() functions"
> 
> http://www.php.net/release_4_3_11.php
> 
> Also reviewing the ChangeLog and with all the _bug_ fixes one can only
> assume that many of these _could_ be potential vulnerabilities.
> 
> http://www.php.net/release_4_3_11.php
> 
> http://www.php.net/ChangeLog-5.php#5.0.4
> 
> All this coupled with their desire to be an definitive source for
> security/update information, I can see why they would identify version
> upgrades regardless of whether there is a known vulnerability/exploit.

True, but they say the problems are *in* 4.3.11 - yet 4.3.11 fixes them.  Perhaps a typo, but this isn't the first time of these types of alerts, and quite a serious typo.

H




From lists at genoverly.net  Wed May  4 22:16:07 2005
From: lists at genoverly.net (michael)
Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 22:16:07 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FTP - users/access
In-Reply-To: <20050505005034.F3106A87AF@virtu.nyphp.org>
References: <20050505005034.F3106A87AF@virtu.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20050504221607.3f8c2a29@genoverly.com>

On Wed,  4 May 2005 20:50:34 -0400 (EDT)
talk-request at lists.nyphp.org wrote:

> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 20:49:12 -0400
> From: Mitch Pirtle <mitch.pirtle at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] FTP - users/access
> To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> Message-ID: <330532b6050504174956baa48e at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> On 5/4/05, Hans Zaunere <lists at zaunere.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Depends on the FTP daemon.  If it's something modern, like ProFTPd, you can plug it into a database like MySQL, which is then trivial to work with.
> 
> Ditto for vsftpd (very secure ftp daemon) - which not only is secure,
> but is fast, fast, fast! Also a good fit for virtual account setups
> and external authentication schemes.
> 
> -- Mitch
> 
> 
> ------------------------------


+1 vsftp & mysql
Michael

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From matt at jiffycomp.com  Wed May  4 22:53:51 2005
From: matt at jiffycomp.com (Matt Morgan)
Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 22:53:51 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] SSH security question
In-Reply-To: <20050430225655.GF28979@lola.aquick.org>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0504301323540.93966@emra.pair.com>	<4273C3C0.7020008@omnistep.com>	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0504301838350.93966@emra.pair.com>
	<20050430225655.GF28979@lola.aquick.org>
Message-ID: <42798ABF.8010104@jiffycomp.com>

Adam Fields wrote:

>On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 06:50:17PM -0400, David Mintz wrote:
>  
>
>>sshd is running and this is happening on the port where it's listening (I
>>presume). I use ssh to communicate with this box from Out There, and
>>unauthorized others also attempt to, evidently.
>>    
>>
>
>Change the port ssh listens on.
>  
>
I second this recommendation. All the exploit robots out there try only port 22. The only disadvantage is usually when you're behind a firewall you don't have control over.

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From shiflett at php.net  Thu May  5 00:21:40 2005
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 00:21:40 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] SecurityFocus Newsletter #297
In-Reply-To: <0MKz1m-1DTU463POx-00016N@mrelay.perfora.net>
References: <0MKz1m-1DTU463POx-00016N@mrelay.perfora.net>
Message-ID: <42799F54.8030501@php.net>

Hans Zaunere wrote:
> > PHP Group PHP Multiple Unspecified Vulnerabilities [in 4.3.11 and 5.0.3]
> > http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13143
> 
> Can someone explain this one to me? There is no exploit, no description,
> no nothing... and this is far from the first time that security focus
> publishes these types of exploits, PHP or not.

This report is likely referencing the release announcement that Ilia sent:

"The PHP Development Team would like to announce the immediate release 
of PHP 4.3.11 and 5.0.4. These are maintenance releases that in addition 
  to fixing over 70 non-critical bugs, address several security issues. 
The addressed security issues include fixes to the exif and fbsql 
extensions, as well as fixes to unserialize(), swf_definepoly() and 
getimagesize()."

Chris

-- 
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Brain Bulb, The PHP Consultancy
http://brainbulb.com/


From leam at reuel.net  Thu May  5 09:38:32 2005
From: leam at reuel.net (leam)
Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 08:38:32 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Naming conventions?
Message-ID: <E1DTgYi-0005wk-2I@host2.yougoweb.com>

Okay, newbie time again. When I first started with PHP and MySQL I wrote
some scripts to do forms and some that would be called to process the
forms. I'm now going back and sorting through the mess and trying to
come up with a standard naming scheme so I can get a better idea of
which script does what.

While I'm here I wanted to ask you wiser folks what other naming
conventions you might suggest I start using now so I can avoid the pain
later...

ciao!

leam


-- 



From krook at us.ibm.com  Thu May  5 09:54:36 2005
From: krook at us.ibm.com (Daniel Krook)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 09:54:36 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Naming conventions?
In-Reply-To: <E1DTgYi-0005wk-2I@host2.yougoweb.com>
Message-ID: <OF6020E93B.9FF956EF-ON85256FF8.004BBF49-85256FF8.004C696C@us.ibm.com>

> Okay, newbie time again. When I first started with PHP and MySQL I wrote
> some scripts to do forms and some that would be called to process the
> forms. I'm now going back and sorting through the mess and trying to
> come up with a standard naming scheme so I can get a better idea of
> which script does what.
> 
> While I'm here I wanted to ask you wiser folks what other naming
> conventions you might suggest I start using now so I can avoid the pain
> later...

There are no hard and fast rules that I use, with the exception that 
underscores are a no-no.  I can't stand them in filenames.  Hyphens are 
the one true way to separate words in URLs. :)

As for a directory structure which may be related to your question, I use 
the following structure (sans the application specific directories), 
though NYPHP Phundamentals has a whole include location how to.

http://krook.org/etc/directory-structure.gif
http://education.nyphp.org/phundamentals/PH_sitestructure.php?expiredate=11/5/2003





Daniel Krook, Advisory IT Specialist 
Application Development, Production Services - Tools, ibm.com

Personal: http://info.krook.org/
BluePages: http://w3.ibm.com/bluepages?searchcnum=9A9796897




From dmintz at davidmintz.org  Thu May  5 10:25:08 2005
From: dmintz at davidmintz.org (David Mintz)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 10:25:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Naming conventions?
In-Reply-To: <E1DTgYi-0005wk-2I@host2.yougoweb.com>
References: <E1DTgYi-0005wk-2I@host2.yougoweb.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0505051020220.33215@emra.pair.com>

On Thu, 5 May 2005, leam wrote:
> [...]
> While I'm here I wanted to ask you wiser folks what other naming
> conventions you might suggest I start using now so I can avoid the pain
> later...

I believe Schlossnagle's "Advanced PHP Programming" has a good discussion
in the chapter on style. "Believe," because I don't have my copy on hand
and can't quote chapter and verse. I recall reading something like,
mediocre but self-consistent style is better than partially brilliant but
inconsistent style. Yeah, style is a superset of "naming conventions" but
I think it applies.

---
David Mintz
http://davidmintz.org/


From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Thu May  5 13:04:29 2005
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 13:04:29 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] SecurityFocus Newsletter #297
In-Reply-To: <0MKz1m-1DTVTr1aJL-0003Zn@mrelay.perfora.net>
References: <1115256171.8891.22.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<0MKz1m-1DTVTr1aJL-0003Zn@mrelay.perfora.net>
Message-ID: <20050505170429.GA13409@panix.com>

Mr H:

On Wed, May 04, 2005 at 09:48:45PM -0400, Hans Zaunere wrote:

> True, but they say the problems are *in* 4.3.11 - yet 4.3.11 fixes them.

A typo on my part.  Meant 4.3.10.  Sorry for the confusion.  The 
announcement was vague, but I assume it was mainly intended to encourage 
people to upgrade.

--Dan

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From 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com  Thu May  5 19:42:32 2005
From: 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com (inforequest)
Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 19:42:32 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Naming conventions?
In-Reply-To: <OF6020E93B.9FF956EF-ON85256FF8.004BBF49-85256FF8.004C696C@us.ibm.com>
References: <OF6020E93B.9FF956EF-ON85256FF8.004BBF49-85256FF8.004C696C@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <29080-29796@sneakemail.com>

Daniel Krook krook-at-us.ibm.com |nyphp dev/internal group use| wrote:

>>Okay, newbie time again. When I first started with PHP and MySQL I wrote
>>some scripts to do forms and some that would be called to process the
>>forms. I'm now going back and sorting through the mess and trying to
>>come up with a standard naming scheme so I can get a better idea of
>>which script does what.
>>
>>While I'm here I wanted to ask you wiser folks what other naming
>>conventions you might suggest I start using now so I can avoid the pain
>>later...
>>    
>>
>
>There are no hard and fast rules that I use, with the exception that 
>underscores are a no-no.  I can't stand them in filenames.  Hyphens are 
>the one true way to separate words in URLs. :)
>
>As for a directory structure which may be related to your question, I use 
>the following structure (sans the application specific directories), 
>though NYPHP Phundamentals has a whole include location how to.
>
>http://krook.org/etc/directory-structure.gif
>http://education.nyphp.org/phundamentals/PH_sitestructure.php?expiredate=11/5/2003
>
>
>
>
>
>Daniel Krook, Advisory IT Specialist 
>Application Development, Production Services - Tools, ibm.com
>  
>


George suggests (Adv PHP Prog):

- underscores in function names, and suggests always using meaningful 
names for clarity e.g. print_hello{}
- follow Sun JAVA conventions for classes and methods
- always match var names to database fields when they correspond e.g. 
SELECT firstname  -->  $firstname
- be cosistent as possible (whatever you call index vars, always call 
them that; whateveryou call max/min/whatever stick with it)

Other than that he just suggests consistent, readable code.



From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Fri May  6 19:46:08 2005
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 19:46:08 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] SecurityFocus Newsletter #299
Message-ID: <20050506234608.GA11330@panix.com>

APPLICATIONS USING PHP
----------------------
PHPBB Profile.PHP Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13344

PHPBB Viewtopic.PHP Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13345

PHPMyVisites Part Variable Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13352

PHPMyVisites Per Variable Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13356

PHPMyVisites Site Variable Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13357

PHPMyVisites Set_Lang File Include Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13370

WoltLab Burning Board PMS.PHP Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13353

SWSoft Confixx Change User SQL Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13355

Horde Vacation Remote Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13360

Horde MNemo Remote Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13362

Horde Nag Remote Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13363

Horde Chora Remote Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13364

Horde Accounts Module Remote Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13365

Horde Forward Module Remote Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13366

Yappa-NG Unspecified Remote File Include Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13371

Yappa-NG Unspecified Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13372

Invision Power Board QPid Parameter SQL Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13375

GrayCMS Error.PHP Remote File Include Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13381

BBlog Index.PHP HTML Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13397

BBlog PostID Parameter SQL Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13398

PHP-Calendar Search.PHP SQL Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13405

PHPCart Input Validation Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13406

Claroline E-Learning Application Multiple Remote Input Valid...
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13407

S9Y Serendipity BBCode Plugin HTML Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13411

Dream4 Koobi CMS Index.PHP P Parameter SQL Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13412

Dream4 Koobi CMS Index.PHP Q Parameter SQL Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13413

Notes Module for PHPBB SQL Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13417

Just William's Amazon Webstore Closeup.PHP Image Parameter C...
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13419

Just William's Amazon Webstore CurrentIsExpanded Parameter C...
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13425

Just William's Amazon Webstore SearchFor Parameter Cross-Sit...
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13426

Just William's Amazon Webstore CurrentNumber Parameter Cross...
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13427

Just William's Amazon Webstore HTTP Response Splitting Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13428

MyPHP Forum Post.PHP Username Spoofing Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13429

MyPHP Forum Privmsg.PHP Username Spoofing Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13430

PHPCoin Multiple SQL Injection Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13433


RELATED STUFF
-------------
MySQL MaxDB HTTP GET Request Remote Buffer Overflow Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13368

MySQL MaxDB WebDAV Lock Token Remote Buffer Overflow Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13369

MySQL MaxDB WebDAV IF Parameter Remote Buffer Overflow Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/13378

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From leam at reuel.net  Sat May  7 07:53:19 2005
From: leam at reuel.net (leam at reuel.net)
Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 07:53:19 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Writing a file and ownership
In-Reply-To: <ef613e5d05043019354d3b4d8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20050430140335.GB2941@leitz> <20050430143643.GE2941@leitz>
	<ef613e5d05043019354d3b4d8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20050507115319.GB2902@leitz>

I still haven't found a good solution to this. I'm even more confused because it *used* to work.

Not sure what to do. I have a work around, I think, but it is a fairly manual process of copying the files off the server and then putting them back after I *own* them.

Any thoughts would be appreciated. I'm trying to avoid world write permissions and I can't use chown/chgrp because my user is not the same as the web server user.

ciao!

leam

On Sun, May 01, 2005 at 08:05:18AM +0530, Sajith A wrote:
> On 4/30/05, leam at reuel.net <leam at reuel.net> wrote:
> >The shared host is Linux with the user private group so the files
> have been written as
> >"user:user". Until a few days ago they started to be written as
> "nobody:nobody", the
> >user:group the apache server runs under. The issue is that I can't
> edit my own file, which
> >is a problem.  ;)
> 
> If php is not properly configured[open_basedir , safe_mode], leaving
> it ownership as nobody might allow other people to access you script
> with thier php code.
> 
> Did you try executing Filesystem functions from php. so after creating
> file you could try changing thier permissions.
> 
> http://in2.php.net/manual/en/ref.filesystem.php
> http://in2.php.net/manual/en/features.safe-mode.php
> 
> God bless
> 
> Sajith A


From tgales at tgaconnect.com  Sat May  7 11:36:35 2005
From: tgales at tgaconnect.com (Tim Gales)
Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 09:36:35 -0600
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Writing a file and ownership
In-Reply-To: <20050507115319.GB2902@leitz>
References: <20050430140335.GB2941@leitz>
	<ef613e5d05043019354d3b4d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<20050507115319.GB2902@leitz>
Message-ID: <200505070936.35456.tgales@tgaconnect.com>

On Saturday 07 May 2005 05:53, leam at reuel.net wrote:
> I still haven't found a good solution to this. I'm even more confused
> because it *used* to work.
...
> Any thoughts would be appreciated. I'm trying to avoid world write
> permissions and I can't use chown/chgrp because my user is not the same as
> the web server user.

> > >The shared host is Linux with the user private group so the file
> > have been written as "user:user". Until a few days ago they started to be 
> > written as  "nobody:nobody" 

"the nobody group, which usually only has one member -- nobody -- should not 
be permitted to own, or write to, any files." 

http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/apache/2004/05/28/apacheckbk.html 

-- 
T. Gales & Associates
'Helping People Connect with Technology'

http://www.tgaconnect.com


From dmintz at davidmintz.org  Sat May  7 10:32:03 2005
From: dmintz at davidmintz.org (David Mintz)
Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 10:32:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Writing a file and ownership
In-Reply-To: <200505070936.35456.tgales@tgaconnect.com>
References: <20050430140335.GB2941@leitz>
	<ef613e5d05043019354d3b4d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<20050507115319.GB2902@leitz>
	<200505070936.35456.tgales@tgaconnect.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0505071022090.1269@emra.pair.com>

On Sat, 7 May 2005, Tim Gales wrote:

>
> "the nobody group, which usually only has one member -- nobody -- should not
> be permitted to own, or write to, any files."
>
> http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/apache/2004/05/28/apacheckbk.html

It bears mentioning that there are exceptions, as Rich Bowen himself
mentions in that same article.

If your PHP scripts are being executed by nobody and you would like that
nobody to be able to write somewhere for caching purposes, for example...
What alternatives are there besides either making that cache directory
world-writeable, or chowning it to nobody:nobody?

---
David Mintz
http://davidmintz.org/


From chsnyder at gmail.com  Sat May  7 11:05:48 2005
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (csnyder)
Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 11:05:48 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Writing a file and ownership
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0505071022090.1269@emra.pair.com>
References: <20050430140335.GB2941@leitz>
	<ef613e5d05043019354d3b4d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<20050507115319.GB2902@leitz>
	<200505070936.35456.tgales@tgaconnect.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0505071022090.1269@emra.pair.com>
Message-ID: <b762526905050708057ec667a4@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/7/05, David Mintz <dmintz at davidmintz.org> wrote:

> What alternatives are there besides either making that cache directory
> world-writeable, or chowning it to nobody:nobody?

Write an ftp or sftp backend that takes the file and "uploads" it to
your user account on the same server. That way the file is owned and
writeable by you.

Otherwise, um.... store it in a database?


From chsnyder at gmail.com  Sat May  7 11:07:23 2005
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (csnyder)
Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 11:07:23 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Writing a file and ownership
In-Reply-To: <200505070936.35456.tgales@tgaconnect.com>
References: <20050430140335.GB2941@leitz>
	<ef613e5d05043019354d3b4d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<20050507115319.GB2902@leitz>
	<200505070936.35456.tgales@tgaconnect.com>
Message-ID: <b762526905050708075613676e@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/7/05, Tim Gales <tgales at tgaconnect.com> wrote:

> "the nobody group, which usually only has one member -- nobody -- should not
> be permitted to own, or write to, any files."

Well, there goes the entire concept of WebDAV...


From dmintz at davidmintz.org  Sat May  7 12:31:37 2005
From: dmintz at davidmintz.org (David Mintz)
Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 12:31:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Writing a file and ownership
In-Reply-To: <b762526905050708057ec667a4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20050430140335.GB2941@leitz>
	<ef613e5d05043019354d3b4d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<20050507115319.GB2902@leitz>
	<200505070936.35456.tgales@tgaconnect.com>
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On Sat, 7 May 2005, csnyder wrote:

> On 5/7/05, David Mintz <dmintz at davidmintz.org> wrote:
>
> > What alternatives are there besides either making that cache directory
> > world-writeable, or chowning it to nobody:nobody?
>
> Write an ftp or sftp backend that takes the file and "uploads" it to
> your user account on the same server. That way the file is owned and
> writeable by you.
>
> Otherwise, um.... store it in a database?

Continuing with the caching example:

The database idea would be a non-starter in those cases where database
access is one of the expensive things that you're trying to avoid.

Doesn't it seem that the s?ftp cure would have to be coded with the utmost
care or it might be worse than the disease, especially on a shared host?
For example, if username/password are embedded in PHP scripts that
themselves are world-readable... It would be interesting to see an example
or psuedocode/outline showing an implementation.


---
David Mintz
http://davidmintz.org/


From tgales at tgaconnect.com  Sat May  7 14:57:53 2005
From: tgales at tgaconnect.com (Tim Gales)
Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 12:57:53 -0600
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Writing a file and ownership
In-Reply-To: <b762526905050708075613676e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20050430140335.GB2941@leitz>
	<200505070936.35456.tgales@tgaconnect.com>
	<b762526905050708075613676e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200505071257.53628.tgales@tgaconnect.com>

csnyder writes:
> On 5/7/05, Tim Gales <tgales at tgaconnect.com> wrote:
> > "the nobody group, which usually only has one member -- nobody -- should
> > not be permitted to own, or write to, any files."
>
> Well, there goes the entire concept of WebDAV... 

That's subversion --
in general you don't want to let Apache go 
writing around on your server.

(WebDav is not a general case) 

-- 
T. Gales & Associates
'Helping People Connect with Technology'

http://www.tgaconnect.com


From chsnyder at gmail.com  Sat May  7 13:58:34 2005
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (csnyder)
Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 13:58:34 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Writing a file and ownership
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0505071206530.29164@emra.pair.com>
References: <20050430140335.GB2941@leitz>
	<ef613e5d05043019354d3b4d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<20050507115319.GB2902@leitz>
	<200505070936.35456.tgales@tgaconnect.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0505071022090.1269@emra.pair.com>
	<b762526905050708057ec667a4@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0505071206530.29164@emra.pair.com>
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On 5/7/05, David Mintz <dmintz at davidmintz.org> wrote:

> Doesn't it seem that the s?ftp cure would have to be coded with the utmost
> care or it might be worse than the disease, especially on a shared host?
> For example, if username/password are embedded in PHP scripts that
> themselves are world-readable... It would be interesting to see an example
> or psuedocode/outline showing an implementation.

You are exactly right. 

It depends on which is more distasteful in a given situation:
world-writeable directories and files, or the possibility that another
user will discover the (s)ftp password embedded in a configuration
file. On a shared host, and particularly for a cache, it's probably
preferable to have nobody own the files then to risk exposing your
password to all other scripts on the box.

But for the caching example, the workaround could be that you render
the pages on a local server that you control, which then (s)ftps them
to a shared host that has a public address and scads of bandwidth. Not
unlike Blogger, really.

A better but more complex workaround could be that files are uploaded
to a world-writeable directory that works as a drop box. A cron job,
running as you, could check the drop box for new files now and then,
and copy them to a normal directory with correct ownership and
permissions. It should compare the file with a hash stored in a
database to ensure that the file wasn't modified by someone else in
the meantime. The webserver will need to clean up the drop box
directory, since you won't be able to delete files owned by nobody.

Three parts to that, but I think it solves most of the problems
without storing a password or implicitly trusting what are, for all
practical purposes, world-writeable files.

----
Chris Snyder
http://chxo.com/


From codebowl at gmail.com  Sat May  7 15:25:39 2005
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 15:25:39 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP & Word Documents
Message-ID: <8d9a42800505071225376a175e@mail.gmail.com>

Hey everyone,

has anyone here ever needed the ability to parse a word document? I have a 
client that creates his newsletters in MS Word and wants to upload them and 
send them to his users in an HTML or text based newsletter. This wouldnt be 
a proablem if i have ever heard of an MS Word Parser, i know there is an 
Excel parser class.. Is there a way to parse a word document?

What i would need to do is take the contents of the word document and 
convert it to html, saving the images from the word doc to a directory so 
that the HTML links could show them.

Any suggestions appreciated.

Thanks.

-- 
Joseph Crawford Jr.
Codebowl Solutions
codebowl at gmail.com
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From dmintz at davidmintz.org  Sat May  7 15:32:55 2005
From: dmintz at davidmintz.org (David Mintz)
Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 15:32:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP & Word Documents
In-Reply-To: <8d9a42800505071225376a175e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d9a42800505071225376a175e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0505071529210.29164@emra.pair.com>

On Sat, 7 May 2005, Joseph Crawford wrote:

> has anyone here ever needed the ability to parse a word document? I have a
> client that creates his newsletters in MS Word and wants to upload them and
> send them to his users in an HTML or text based newsletter. This wouldnt be
> a proablem if i have ever heard of an MS Word Parser, i know there is an
> Excel parser class.. Is there a way to parse a word document?

Any chance you can train the client to save it as HTML with MS Word before
uploading? Your upload handler could check the content type and remind
them if they forget. Then you could repair it with Tidy.

---
David Mintz
http://davidmintz.org/


From codebowl at gmail.com  Sat May  7 15:42:16 2005
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 15:42:16 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP & Word Documents
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0505071529210.29164@emra.pair.com>
References: <8d9a42800505071225376a175e@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0505071529210.29164@emra.pair.com>
Message-ID: <8d9a42800505071242441d6d31@mail.gmail.com>

i think that is the next alternative, the client is dumb and just wants to 
upload a word doc. I mean i was going to go the route of using TinyMCE so 
they could do the save as HTML, upload the photos to a directory then have 
the script parse all the image tags...


-- 
Joseph Crawford Jr.
Codebowl Solutions
codebowl at gmail.com
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From michael.southwell at nyphp.org  Sat May  7 15:47:08 2005
From: michael.southwell at nyphp.org (Michael Southwell)
Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 15:47:08 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP & Word Documents
In-Reply-To: <8d9a42800505071225376a175e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d9a42800505071225376a175e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050507153838.02123ec0@mail.optonline.net>

At 03:25 PM 5/7/2005, you wrote:
>Hey everyone,
>
>has anyone here ever needed the ability to parse a word document?  I have 
>a client that creates his newsletters in MS Word and wants to upload them 
>and send them to his users in an HTML or text based newsletter.  This 
>wouldnt be a proablem if i have ever heard of an MS Word Parser, i know 
>there is an Excel parser class.. Is there a way to parse a word document?
>
>What i would need to do is take the contents of the word document and 
>convert it to html, saving the images from the word doc to a directory so 
>that the HTML links could show them.

As David Mintz already suggested, Word has the capability of doing all of 
this itself.  If he can't/won't save it as HTML (NB:  it should be 
*filtered* HTML, which will strip out at least some of the garbage), you 
can do it yourself.  I then use some macros to strip it further, at which 
point it is easily displayed.


>Any suggestions appreciated.
>
>Thanks.
>
>--
>Joseph Crawford Jr.
>Codebowl Solutions
><mailto:codebowl at gmail.com>codebowl at gmail.com
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From dmintz at davidmintz.org  Sat May  7 16:11:32 2005
From: dmintz at davidmintz.org (David Mintz)
Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 16:11:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP & Word Documents
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050507153838.02123ec0@mail.optonline.net>
References: <8d9a42800505071225376a175e@mail.gmail.com>
	<6.1.2.0.2.20050507153838.02123ec0@mail.optonline.net>
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On Sat, 7 May 2005, Michael Southwell wrote:

> [...]
> As David Mintz already suggested, Word has the capability of doing all of
> this itself.  If he can't/won't save it as HTML (NB:  it should be
> *filtered* HTML, which will strip out at least some of the garbage), you
> can do it yourself.  I then use some macros to strip it further, at which
> point it is easily displayed.

I think Joe would rather get PHP to do this work for him. How about just
telling the client your fee for word processing is $800/hour? Comparable
to an anesthesiologist or something.

---
David Mintz
http://davidmintz.org/


From codebowl at gmail.com  Sat May  7 17:14:09 2005
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 17:14:09 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP & Word Documents
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0505071607320.29164@emra.pair.com>
References: <8d9a42800505071225376a175e@mail.gmail.com>
	<6.1.2.0.2.20050507153838.02123ec0@mail.optonline.net>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0505071607320.29164@emra.pair.com>
Message-ID: <8d9a4280050507141436a5d89a@mail.gmail.com>

haha $800/hr

yea i wouldnt mind doing this but the guy doesnt want that, he wants this 
whole automatic system. He doesnt want to have to pay for services like 
that, nor does he want to take the time to do it himself, so i was going to 
develop a system to do it for him auto at a good price.


-- 
Joseph Crawford Jr.
Codebowl Solutions
codebowl at gmail.com
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From susan_shemin at yahoo.com  Sat May  7 17:16:44 2005
From: susan_shemin at yahoo.com (Susan Shemin)
Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 14:16:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP & Word Documents
In-Reply-To: <8d9a42800505071225376a175e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20050507211644.71761.qmail@web53704.mail.yahoo.com>

If you dump the Word document into Dreamweaver, you can graphically add the HTML/layout around the text and easily add any PHP code.
 
Susan

Joseph Crawford <codebowl at gmail.com> wrote:
Hey everyone,

has anyone here ever needed the ability to parse a word document?  I have a client that creates his newsletters in MS Word and wants to upload them and send them to his users in an HTML or text based newsletter.  This wouldnt be a proablem if i have ever heard of an MS Word Parser, i know there is an Excel parser class.. Is there a way to parse a word document?

What i would need to do is take the contents of the word document and convert it to html, saving the images from the word doc to a directory so that the HTML links could show them.

Any suggestions appreciated.

Thanks.

-- 
Joseph Crawford Jr.
Codebowl Solutions
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From LeeEyerman at aol.com  Sat May  7 17:26:01 2005
From: LeeEyerman at aol.com (LeeEyerman at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 17:26:01 EDT
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP & Word Documents
Message-ID: <15d.506a20cd.2fae8c69@aol.com>

 
You may be able to convert it to a pdf document automatically then parse  
that.  There is a package call PDF2WEB I saw on some website.  The PDF  format 
should be easier to parse.
 
In a message dated 5/7/2005 3:42:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
codebowl at gmail.com writes:

i think  that is the next alternative, the client is dumb and just wants to 
upload a  word doc.  I mean i was going to go the route of using TinyMCE so 
they  could do the save as HTML, upload the photos to a directory then have the  
script parse all the image tags...


-- 
Joseph Crawford  Jr.
Codebowl Solutions
_codebowl at gmail.com_ (mailto:codebowl at gmail.com)  


 
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From rolan at omnistep.com  Sat May  7 18:13:35 2005
From: rolan at omnistep.com (Rolan Yang)
Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 18:13:35 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP & Word Documents
In-Reply-To: <8d9a42800505071225376a175e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d9a42800505071225376a175e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <427D3D8F.9070106@omnistep.com>


http://word2x.sourceforge.net/

Rolan Yang
Omnistep Inc


Joseph Crawford wrote:

> Hey everyone,
>
> has anyone here ever needed the ability to parse a word document?  I 
> have a client that creates his newsletters in MS Word and wants to 
> upload them and send them to his users in an HTML or text based 
> newsletter.  This wouldnt be a proablem if i have ever heard of an MS 
> Word Parser, i know there is an Excel parser class.. Is there



From tgales at tgaconnect.com  Sat May  7 20:18:32 2005
From: tgales at tgaconnect.com (Tim Gales)
Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 18:18:32 -0600
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP & Word Documents
In-Reply-To: <8d9a42800505071225376a175e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d9a42800505071225376a175e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200505071818.32369.tgales@tgaconnect.com>

Joseph Crawford writes:

> Is there a way to parse a word document?
...
> Any suggestions appreciated.

Open Office will parse word documents.
It stores them in   files with  sxw and stw extensions.

They use a 'zip' format and can be unzipped into 
there xml components. 

Have a look at:
http://books.evc-cit.info/ch01.php 
and 
http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2005/01/26/hacking-ooo.html 

Once you have some raw xml you should be able to 
'xslt' it into just about anything you need.

-- 
T. Gales & Associates
'Helping People Connect with Technology'

http://www.tgaconnect.com


From mitch.pirtle at gmail.com  Sat May  7 18:24:09 2005
From: mitch.pirtle at gmail.com (Mitch Pirtle)
Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 18:24:09 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP & Word Documents
In-Reply-To: <8d9a42800505071225376a175e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d9a42800505071225376a175e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <330532b6050507152426865c30@mail.gmail.com>

You can do this automagically using OpenOffice.org's UNO, more
specifically the Python-UNO bridge. Not aware of a PHP bridge at the
moment, but this is definitely something you could handle via CGI:

    http://udk.openoffice.org/python/python-bridge.html

-- Mitch

On 5/7/05, Joseph Crawford <codebowl at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey everyone,
>  
>  has anyone here ever needed the ability to parse a word document?  I have a
> client that creates his newsletters in MS Word and wants to upload them and
> send them to his users in an HTML or text based newsletter.  This wouldnt be
> a proablem if i have ever heard of an MS Word Parser, i know there is an
> Excel parser class.. Is there a way to parse a word document?
>  
>  What i would need to do is take the contents of the word document and
> convert it to html, saving the images from the word doc to a directory so
> that the HTML links could show them.
>  
>  Any suggestions appreciated.
>  
>  Thanks.
> 
> -- 
> Joseph Crawford Jr.
> Codebowl Solutions
> codebowl at gmail.com 
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk Mailing List
> AMP Technology
> Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org
> 
>


From leam at reuel.net  Sun May  8 07:22:50 2005
From: leam at reuel.net (leam at reuel.net)
Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 07:22:50 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Writing a file and ownership
In-Reply-To: <b76252690505071058b189d78@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20050430140335.GB2941@leitz>
	<ef613e5d05043019354d3b4d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<20050507115319.GB2902@leitz>
	<200505070936.35456.tgales@tgaconnect.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0505071022090.1269@emra.pair.com>
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	<b76252690505071058b189d78@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20050508112250.GA2951@leitz>

On Sat, May 07, 2005 at 01:58:34PM -0400, csnyder wrote:
> On 5/7/05, David Mintz <dmintz at davidmintz.org> wrote:
> 
> > Doesn't it seem that the s?ftp cure would have to be coded with the utmost
> > care or it might be worse than the disease, especially on a shared host?
> > For example, if username/password are embedded in PHP scripts that
> > themselves are world-readable... It would be interesting to see an example
> > or psuedocode/outline showing an implementation.
> 
> You are exactly right. 
> 
> It depends on which is more distasteful in a given situation:
> world-writeable directories and files, or the possibility that another
> user will discover the (s)ftp password embedded in a configuration
> file. On a shared host, and particularly for a cache, it's probably
> preferable to have nobody own the files then to risk exposing your
> password to all other scripts on the box.
> 
> But for the caching example, the workaround could be that you render
> the pages on a local server that you control, which then (s)ftps them
> to a shared host that has a public address and scads of bandwidth. Not
> unlike Blogger, really.
> 
> A better but more complex workaround could be that files are uploaded
> to a world-writeable directory that works as a drop box. A cron job,
> running as you, could check the drop box for new files now and then,
> and copy them to a normal directory with correct ownership and
> permissions. It should compare the file with a hash stored in a
> database to ensure that the file wasn't modified by someone else in
> the meantime. The webserver will need to clean up the drop box
> directory, since you won't be able to delete files owned by nobody.
> 
> Three parts to that, but I think it solves most of the problems
> without storing a password or implicitly trusting what are, for all
> practical purposes, world-writeable files.
> 
> ----
> Chris Snyder
> http://chxo.com/

Well, it looks like I'll have to apologize to the hosting company for assuming the "write them as my user" was the norm. I'm a bit baffled becuase it *used* to do so, but...

The solution for me will be to let "nobody" write the files in the "holding tank" and leave them as that ownership in case someone needs to edit the file by re-entering it on the form. I will scp (easier to script than sftp) them to my local host where I have root and can edit the ownership/files at my leisure and then put them back on the remote host in the directory where they belong.

Since I own the holding directory I can delete the files when I'm done with them.

Thanks all!

leam



From andrew at digitalpulp.com  Sat May  7 17:49:25 2005
From: andrew at digitalpulp.com (Andrew Yochum)
Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 17:49:25 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP & Word Documents
In-Reply-To: <8d9a42800505071225376a175e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d9a42800505071225376a175e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <94D323D0-9637-459D-AB50-86F619EB0B85@digitalpulp.com>

On May 7, 2005, at 3:25 PM, Joseph Crawford wrote:
> has anyone here ever needed the ability to parse a word document?

You can use wvware to convert the word docs to HTML or text.  I'd  
suggest pushing it through tidy, too, after.

HTH,
Andrew


From andrew at plexpod.com  Sat May  7 18:13:11 2005
From: andrew at plexpod.com (Andrew Yochum)
Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 18:13:11 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP & Word Documents
In-Reply-To: <94D323D0-9637-459D-AB50-86F619EB0B85@digitalpulp.com>
References: <8d9a42800505071225376a175e@mail.gmail.com>
	<94D323D0-9637-459D-AB50-86F619EB0B85@digitalpulp.com>
Message-ID: <827AC54A-A7E5-45C2-87FE-2EAEECBA9BF4@plexpod.com>


On May 7, 2005, at 5:49 PM, Andrew Yochum wrote:

> On May 7, 2005, at 3:25 PM, Joseph Crawford wrote:
>
>> has anyone here ever needed the ability to parse a word document?
>>
>
> You can use wvware to convert the word docs to HTML or text.  I'd  
> suggest pushing it through tidy, too, after.

Link:
     http://wvware.sourceforge.net/


From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Sun May  8 12:19:55 2005
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 12:19:55 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP & Word Documents
In-Reply-To: <8d9a42800505071225376a175e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d9a42800505071225376a175e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20050508161955.GA14928@panix.com>

Hi Joseph:

On Sat, May 07, 2005 at 03:25:39PM -0400, Joseph Crawford wrote:
> 
> has anyone here ever needed the ability to parse a word document? I have a 
> client that creates his newsletters in MS Word and wants to upload them and 
> send them to his users in an HTML or text based newsletter.

"antiword" is a command line utility common on Unix-like systems that can 
convert Word into text.

--Dan

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From susan_shemin at yahoo.com  Sun May  8 18:28:37 2005
From: susan_shemin at yahoo.com (Susan Shemin)
Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 15:28:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP & Word Documents
In-Reply-To: <8d9a42800505071225376a175e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20050508222837.17916.qmail@web53702.mail.yahoo.com>

Another suggestion.  On this month's British Web Design magazine companion disk there's 10 HTML converters.  One of them is an RTF to XHTML converter that could work with your situation.  The Word document can be saved as an .rtf file, which strips the Word formatting.
 
Susan
"Thinking outside the box"

Joseph Crawford <codebowl at gmail.com> wrote:
Hey everyone,

has anyone here ever needed the ability to parse a word document?  I have a client that creates his newsletters in MS Word and wants to upload them and send them to his users in an HTML or text based newsletter.  This wouldnt be a proablem if i have ever heard of an MS Word Parser, i know there is an Excel parser class.. Is there a way to parse a word document?

What i would need to do is take the contents of the word document and convert it to html, saving the images from the word doc to a directory so that the HTML links could show them.

Any suggestions appreciated.

Thanks.

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From sajith.ml at gmail.com  Mon May  9 04:44:03 2005
From: sajith.ml at gmail.com (Sajith A)
Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 14:14:03 +0530
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP & Word Documents
In-Reply-To: <8d9a42800505071225376a175e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d9a42800505071225376a175e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ef613e5d050509014460971d76@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/8/05, Joseph Crawford <codebowl at gmail.com> wrote:
>Is there a way to parse a word document?

Months back i came across a document management system which does this 
http://dms.markuswestphal.de/ 
It basically uses exec command.

On a windows server it uses 
cscript convert.word.js {SOURCE} {TARGET}

where the contents of convert.word.js is 
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
var source = WScript.Arguments(0);
var target = WScript.Arguments(1);

var WordApp;
WordApp = new ActiveXObject("Word.Application");
var Newdoc;
Newdoc = WordApp.Documents.Open(source);
Newdoc.SaveAs(target, 8); // wdFormatHTML = 8
WordApp.Quit();
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

On a Linux server it uses 
mswordview -o {TARGET} {SOURCE}

There could be better ways for doing it. Would love to hear if any...

Regards
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From sailer at bnl.gov  Mon May  9 09:21:58 2005
From: sailer at bnl.gov (Tim Sailer)
Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 09:21:58 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP & Word Documents
In-Reply-To: <8d9a42800505071225376a175e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d9a42800505071225376a175e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20050509132158.GB14973@bnl.gov>

On Sat, May 07, 2005 at 03:25:39PM -0400, Joseph Crawford wrote:
> Hey everyone,
> 
> has anyone here ever needed the ability to parse a word document? I have a 
> client that creates his newsletters in MS Word and wants to upload them and 
> send them to his users in an HTML or text based newsletter. This wouldnt be 
> a proablem if i have ever heard of an MS Word Parser, i know there is an 
> Excel parser class.. Is there a way to parse a word document?
> 
> What i would need to do is take the contents of the word document and 
> convert it to html, saving the images from the word doc to a directory so 
> that the HTML links could show them.
> 
> Any suggestions appreciated.

users:~> antiword
        Name: antiword
        Purpose: Display MS-Word files
        Author: (C) 1998-2003 Adri van Os
        Version: 0.35  (14 Nov 2003)
        Status: GNU General Public License
        Usage: antiword [switches] wordfile1 [wordfile2 ...]
        Switches: [-t|-p papersize|-x dtd][-m mapping][-w #][-i #][-Ls]
                -t text output (default)
                -p <paper size name> PostScript output
                   like: a4, letter or legal
                -x <dtd> XML output
                   like: db (DocBook)
                -m <mapping> character mapping file
                -w <width> in characters of text output
                -i <level> image level (PostScript only)
                -L use landscape mode (PostScript only)
                -s Show hidden (by Word) text

-- 
Tim Sailer <sailer at bnl.gov> 
Information and Special Technologies Program
Office of CounterIntelligence 
Brookhaven National Laboratory  (631) 344-3001


From psaw at pswebcode.com  Mon May  9 10:12:59 2005
From: psaw at pswebcode.com (Peter Sawczynec)
Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 10:12:59 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] AWStats vs Webalizer
Message-ID: <001801c554a1$377835e0$6400a8c0@yourx1adg12jme>

....for web log analysis. Comments, evaluations, feedback... 

Warmest regards,
 
Peter Sawczynec
Technology Director
PSWebcode
psaw at pswebcode.com
718.543.3240




From fields at hedge.net  Mon May  9 10:53:00 2005
From: fields at hedge.net (Adam Fields)
Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 10:53:00 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] AWStats vs Webalizer
In-Reply-To: <001801c554a1$377835e0$6400a8c0@yourx1adg12jme>
References: <001801c554a1$377835e0$6400a8c0@yourx1adg12jme>
Message-ID: <20050509145300.GX12589@lola.aquick.org>

On Mon, May 09, 2005 at 10:12:59AM -0400, Peter Sawczynec wrote:
> ....for web log analysis. Comments, evaluations, feedback... 

I've used AWStats. It's an easy install, it's pretty customizable,
it's easy to hack. The newer versions have XML data files, so you can
pretty much do whatever you want with them on the display side.

The source is a bit difficult to read, but then again, it's perl.

I found it not too terribly difficult to hack it up to extract some
other pattern analysis from the logs, although I never did get around
to getting that data into its output files (I wrote it separately to a
database).

-- 
				- Adam

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Product Reviews: .. [ http://www.buyadam.com/blog ]



From chsnyder at gmail.com  Mon May  9 12:38:57 2005
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (csnyder)
Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 12:38:57 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] AWStats vs Webalizer
In-Reply-To: <20050509145300.GX12589@lola.aquick.org>
References: <001801c554a1$377835e0$6400a8c0@yourx1adg12jme>
	<20050509145300.GX12589@lola.aquick.org>
Message-ID: <b7625269050509093839d16f2@mail.gmail.com>

AWStats has a few annoying little quirks (rendering algo for page view
bar charts has been "broken" for a while), but it works great and
generally stays out of the way. Stats are saved into a series of
flatfile databases which *must* be backed up, but they are a lot
smaller than the raw log files.

Other annoying quirk is that all stats must be generated in
chronological order. It skips records that it thinks it has already
seen, whether that is in fact the case or not.

No experience with Webalizer, except that I've considered it once or
twice, but for some reason stuck with AWStats each time.


From 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com  Mon May  9 12:42:19 2005
From: 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com (inforequest)
Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 12:42:19 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT]critical Firefox vulernability again today
In-Reply-To: <20050509145300.GX12589@lola.aquick.org>
References: <001801c554a1$377835e0$6400a8c0@yourx1adg12jme>
	<20050509145300.GX12589@lola.aquick.org>
Message-ID: <30369-02302@sneakemail.com>

Register/Secunia reports. Recommendation is disable js in addition to 
the "allow websites to install sw" for now.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/05/09/firefox_0day_exploit/


From codebowl at gmail.com  Mon May  9 12:58:02 2005
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 12:58:02 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT]critical Firefox vulernability again today
In-Reply-To: <30369-02302@sneakemail.com>
References: <001801c554a1$377835e0$6400a8c0@yourx1adg12jme>
	<20050509145300.GX12589@lola.aquick.org> <30369-02302@sneakemail.com>
Message-ID: <8d9a428005050909581b6dd947@mail.gmail.com>

thanks this is good to know ;)

-- 
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Codebowl Solutions
codebowl at gmail.com
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From mitch.pirtle at gmail.com  Mon May  9 16:17:53 2005
From: mitch.pirtle at gmail.com (Mitch Pirtle)
Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 16:17:53 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] AWStats vs Webalizer
In-Reply-To: <001801c554a1$377835e0$6400a8c0@yourx1adg12jme>
References: <001801c554a1$377835e0$6400a8c0@yourx1adg12jme>
Message-ID: <330532b605050913174c19eb9f@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/9/05, Peter Sawczynec <psaw at pswebcode.com> wrote:
> ....for web log analysis. Comments, evaluations, feedback...

I have migrated all of my sites to AWStats, as I found the
presentation much more attractive and logical, and have also seen
nothing but positive responses from my clients after they switch.

Still looking for full-blown analysis tools, but for your basic usage
reports, AWStats is the better choice IMHO.

-- Mitch


From 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com  Mon May  9 17:03:32 2005
From: 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com (inforequest)
Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 17:03:32 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] AWStats vs Webalizer
Message-ID: <2277-27198@sneakemail.com>

Whatever software you choose, do your homework regarding file permissions before you post it live. You may want the world to know your traffic stats, but if you are in business or responsible for others personal data, I know of no acceptable reason to have your stats acessible on the public internet.

Hint: your web stats are a primary souce of competitive business intelligence.

-=john andrews

flippant, casual and unpolished blog post on this topic went up just yesterday on http://360.yahoo.com/badcaptcha





-----Original Message-----
From: 
	"Mitch Pirtle mitch.pirtle-at-gmail.com |nyphp dev/internal group use|" <...>
Sent: May 9, 2005 4:17 PM
To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] AWStats vs Webalizer

On 5/9/05, Peter Sawczynec <psaw at pswebcode.com> wrote:
> ....for web log analysis. Comments, evaluations, feedback...

I have migrated all of my sites to AWStats, as I found the
presentation much more attractive and logical, and have also seen
nothing but positive responses from my clients after they switch.

Still looking for full-blown analysis tools, but for your basic usage
reports, AWStats is the better choice IMHO.

-- Mitch



From eric at persson.tm  Mon May  9 17:13:32 2005
From: eric at persson.tm (Eric Persson)
Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 23:13:32 +0200
Subject: [nycphp-talk] AWStats vs Webalizer
In-Reply-To: <001801c554a1$377835e0$6400a8c0@yourx1adg12jme>
References: <001801c554a1$377835e0$6400a8c0@yourx1adg12jme>
Message-ID: <427FD27C.7090904@persson.tm>

Peter Sawczynec wrote:
> ....for web log analysis. Comments, evaluations, feedback... 

Been using webalizer for years, and it works good, shows you what you 
want to know. However, it needs a short lesson to get clients to like 
it. It could need some improvement on the guiside, but its sufficient, 
but many other tools are better here, although I havent found anyone 
thats better to script and as easy to implement on large virtual hosts.

/eric


From 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com  Mon May  9 20:42:09 2005
From: 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com (inforequest)
Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 20:42:09 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Should I try Zend Studio (again) ? 
In-Reply-To: <427FD27C.7090904@persson.tm>
References: <001801c554a1$377835e0$6400a8c0@yourx1adg12jme>
	<427FD27C.7090904@persson.tm>
Message-ID: <16287-07688@sneakemail.com>

Thanks in advance for any experience-based comments or suggestions.

I bought Zend Studio Pro at version 3, and never really used it. I 
encountered some annoyances on install (like what seemed to be a hang 
during install, which turned out to be a hidden console window awaiting 
a key press to continue) and difficulty getting the debugger to work 
properly with the server (turned out to be problems with the GUI 
labeling... we worked our way to success eventually). In the end the 
client/server aspects from the Windows client to a Linux server were a 
hassle. In my experience it was too slow, and not reliable for 
interactive debugging. I never got it to work smoothly from the notebook 
on and off the network. Because of the struggle I never fully adopted 
the client so I admit I didn't give the IDE a good chance to impress me. 
I still have the license for Safeguard (at v3.5) Performance Suite 3.6 
and Studio Pro 3.0 and Encoder 3.5 Plus, according to my Zend account.

Now with PHP 5 pretty widely available to me and all the progress I have 
seen from Zend I want to try again. Sadly, it seems everything I had 
before (still available for use) is not upgradeable to the current 
versions. I hardly see the point in buying it again, especially now that 
it costs even more.

So then there's the trial downloads. Available to try the product -- 
seems a good idea, right?

Experienced as I am (whatever that is), I fully expect that a trial of a 
4.x generation product, installed on my Windows machine, perhaps with 
their Windows enhancer (whatever that is), will muck up my system if I 
decide to use the 3.x product afterwards. You know, blind forward 
compatibility issues and all. Anybody using the 4 or have any hands-on 
experience that would help me out?

I know about the so-called "small business development" plan. Even if I 
qualified for it (gross revenue of $250k/year is hardly a reasonable 
limit for an east coast small business, even during "development") the 
same situation applies. Basically Zend is asking for between $1k and $5k 
*per year* for their product which is not insignificant for an IDE with 
debugger and encoder.

I was a user of NuSphere's PHP-IDE for a while prior to trying Zend 3, 
but I have never found enough bonus to the specialized IDE over UlraEdit 
or Textpad-configured. The debugger is the draw, so if it works well 
enough for me to be productive with it I want to use it.

Anybody care to tell me they *know* the trial versions will be a good 
experience? Or that I should rock on with my 3.x licenses? Or to save my 
time and continue the edit-post-refresh routine and accept that there 
really isn't a decent interactive debugger for the independent web 
developer?

One thinks about PHP certification, which leads to Zend, which suggests 
the IDE (again), which teases with promises of a real debugger and 
server-side toolkit.... is it time to try again?

Thanks again.

-=john andrews



From tommyo at gmail.com  Mon May  9 21:31:58 2005
From: tommyo at gmail.com (Thomas O'Neill)
Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 20:31:58 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Should I try Zend Studio (again) ?
In-Reply-To: <16287-07688@sneakemail.com>
References: <001801c554a1$377835e0$6400a8c0@yourx1adg12jme>
	<427FD27C.7090904@persson.tm> <16287-07688@sneakemail.com>
Message-ID: <d0cb9262050509183127a28a3a@mail.gmail.com>

John,

Contact Zend sales tell them your situation and i bet you they will give you 
a free upgrade. They gave me one.

On 5/9/05, inforequest <1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks in advance for any experience-based comments or suggestions.
> 
> I bought Zend Studio Pro at version 3, and never really used it. I
> encountered some annoyances on install (like what seemed to be a hang
> during install, which turned out to be a hidden console window awaiting
> a key press to continue) and difficulty getting the debugger to work
> properly with the server (turned out to be problems with the GUI
> labeling... we worked our way to success eventually). In the end the
> client/server aspects from the Windows client to a Linux server were a
> hassle. In my experience it was too slow, and not reliable for
> interactive debugging. I never got it to work smoothly from the notebook
> on and off the network. Because of the struggle I never fully adopted
> the client so I admit I didn't give the IDE a good chance to impress me.
> I still have the license for Safeguard (at v3.5) Performance Suite 3.6
> and Studio Pro 3.0 and Encoder 3.5 Plus, according to my Zend account.
> 
> Now with PHP 5 pretty widely available to me and all the progress I have
> seen from Zend I want to try again. Sadly, it seems everything I had
> before (still available for use) is not upgradeable to the current
> versions. I hardly see the point in buying it again, especially now that
> it costs even more.
> 
> So then there's the trial downloads. Available to try the product --
> seems a good idea, right?
> 
> Experienced as I am (whatever that is), I fully expect that a trial of a
> 4.x generation product, installed on my Windows machine, perhaps with
> their Windows enhancer (whatever that is), will muck up my system if I
> decide to use the 3.x product afterwards. You know, blind forward
> compatibility issues and all. Anybody using the 4 or have any hands-on
> experience that would help me out?
> 
> I know about the so-called "small business development" plan. Even if I
> qualified for it (gross revenue of $250k/year is hardly a reasonable
> limit for an east coast small business, even during "development") the
> same situation applies. Basically Zend is asking for between $1k and $5k
> *per year* for their product which is not insignificant for an IDE with
> debugger and encoder.
> 
> I was a user of NuSphere's PHP-IDE for a while prior to trying Zend 3,
> but I have never found enough bonus to the specialized IDE over UlraEdit
> or Textpad-configured. The debugger is the draw, so if it works well
> enough for me to be productive with it I want to use it.
> 
> Anybody care to tell me they *know* the trial versions will be a good
> experience? Or that I should rock on with my 3.x licenses? Or to save my
> time and continue the edit-post-refresh routine and accept that there
> really isn't a decent interactive debugger for the independent web
> developer?
> 
> One thinks about PHP certification, which leads to Zend, which suggests
> the IDE (again), which teases with promises of a real debugger and
> server-side toolkit.... is it time to try again?
> 
> Thanks again.
> 
> -=john andrews
> 
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk Mailing List
> AMP Technology
> Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org
> 



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From eric at persson.tm  Tue May 10 04:18:34 2005
From: eric at persson.tm (Eric Persson)
Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 10:18:34 +0200
Subject: [nycphp-talk] lighttpd and load-balanced php via fastcgi?
Message-ID: <42806E5A.5000000@persson.tm>

Hi,

I just found the lighttpd at http://www.lighttpd.net/ which supports 
some sort of fastcgi which can help to load balance php among a set of 
servers. Is this an oppurtunity and feature of all fastcgi implementations?

Is there any issues using php with fastcgi? I've always used it as a 
module with apache, and thought that was the best way, but it sure 
sounds interesting to have some loadbalancing on some projects.

Have anyone tried this approach and would like to share some thoughts 
about it? More timeconsuming to develop? Maintainability? Scalability? 
Stability?

Thanks in advance,
	Eric


From jeff.knight at gmail.com  Tue May 10 09:26:19 2005
From: jeff.knight at gmail.com (Jeff Knight)
Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 09:26:19 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Should I try Zend Studio (again) ?
In-Reply-To: <d0cb9262050509183127a28a3a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001801c554a1$377835e0$6400a8c0@yourx1adg12jme>
	<427FD27C.7090904@persson.tm> <16287-07688@sneakemail.com>
	<d0cb9262050509183127a28a3a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2ca9ba9105051006265ff199c6@mail.gmail.com>

I was able to use 3.5 and evaluate 4 on my machine simultaneously. 
The installer created a /config_4.0 folder next to my /config_3.5
folder and didn't override any of the original 3.5 application files
(putting all the 4.0 versions is a subfolder), Of course, I don't use
windows, but I don't see why they wouldn't keep those sorts of
features the same.

On the other hand, after my 30 days were up, I ended up going back to
3.5, seeing 4.0 as too little improvement for too much money.



On 5/9/05, Thomas O'Neill <tommyo at gmail.com> wrote:
> John,
>  
>  Contact Zend sales tell them your situation and i bet you they will give
> you a free upgrade. They gave me one.
> 
> 
> On 5/9/05, inforequest < 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com> wrote:
> > Thanks in advance for any experience-based comments or suggestions. 
> > 
> > I bought Zend Studio Pro at version 3, and never really used it. I
> > encountered some annoyances on install (like what seemed to be a hang
> > during install, which turned out to be a hidden console window awaiting 
> > a key press to continue) and difficulty getting the debugger to work
> > properly with the server (turned out to be problems with the GUI
> > labeling... we worked our way to success eventually). In the end the
> > client/server aspects from the Windows client to a Linux server were a 
> > hassle. In my experience it was too slow, and not reliable for
> > interactive debugging. I never got it to work smoothly from the notebook
> > on and off the network. Because of the struggle I never fully adopted
> > the client so I admit I didn't give the IDE a good chance to impress me. 
> > I still have the license for Safeguard (at v3.5) Performance Suite 3.6
> > and Studio Pro 3.0 and Encoder 3.5 Plus, according to my Zend account.
> > 
> > Now with PHP 5 pretty widely available to me and all the progress I have 
> > seen from Zend I want to try again. Sadly, it seems everything I had
> > before (still available for use) is not upgradeable to the current
> > versions. I hardly see the point in buying it again, especially now that
> > it costs even more.
> > 
> > So then there's the trial downloads. Available to try the product --
> > seems a good idea, right?
> > 
> > Experienced as I am (whatever that is), I fully expect that a trial of a
> > 4.x generation product, installed on my Windows machine, perhaps with 
> > their Windows enhancer (whatever that is), will muck up my system if I
> > decide to use the 3.x product afterwards. You know, blind forward
> > compatibility issues and all. Anybody using the 4 or have any hands-on
> > experience that would help me out?
> > 
> > I know about the so-called "small business development" plan. Even if I
> > qualified for it (gross revenue of $250k/year is hardly a reasonable
> > limit for an east coast small business, even during "development") the 
> > same situation applies. Basically Zend is asking for between $1k and $5k
> > *per year* for their product which is not insignificant for an IDE with
> > debugger and encoder.
> > 
> > I was a user of NuSphere's PHP-IDE for a while prior to trying Zend 3, 
> > but I have never found enough bonus to the specialized IDE over UlraEdit
> > or Textpad-configured. The debugger is the draw, so if it works well
> > enough for me to be productive with it I want to use it.
> > 
> > Anybody care to tell me they *know* the trial versions will be a good 
> > experience? Or that I should rock on with my 3.x licenses? Or to save my
> > time and continue the edit-post-refresh routine and accept that there
> > really isn't a decent interactive debugger for the independent web
> > developer?
> > 
> > One thinks about PHP certification, which leads to Zend, which suggests
> > the IDE (again), which teases with promises of a real debugger and
> > server-side toolkit.... is it time to try again?
> > 
> > Thanks again. 
> > 
> > -=john andrews
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > New York PHP Talk Mailing List
> > AMP Technology
> > Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP
> > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> > http://www.nyphp.org
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Tom O'Neill
> tommyo at gmail.com 
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk Mailing List
> AMP Technology
> Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org
> 
>


From jeff.knight at gmail.com  Tue May 10 09:37:24 2005
From: jeff.knight at gmail.com (Jeff Knight)
Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 09:37:24 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] AWStats vs Webalizer
In-Reply-To: <427FD27C.7090904@persson.tm>
References: <001801c554a1$377835e0$6400a8c0@yourx1adg12jme>
	<427FD27C.7090904@persson.tm>
Message-ID: <2ca9ba91050510063715a1b209@mail.gmail.com>

Webalizer is ugly, real ugly, makes me a little queasy just looking at
it. One of the worst pieces of information design I've ever seen.
AWStats provides more information, more thoughtfully laid out, and is
immediatly intuitive to use (i.e. no schooling for clients). However,
John's point about locking it down are far from paranoid ramblings. My
personal development site has very little traffic and no public pages
at all. As I review the logs, over the last couple months pokes at
AWStats outnumber any other sort of malicious behavior (although phpBB
seems on its way back up).



On 5/9/05, Eric Persson <eric at persson.tm> wrote:
> Peter Sawczynec wrote:
> > ....for web log analysis. Comments, evaluations, feedback...
> 
> Been using webalizer for years, and it works good, shows you what you
> want to know. However, it needs a short lesson to get clients to like
> it. It could need some improvement on the guiside, but its sufficient,
> but many other tools are better here, although I havent found anyone
> thats better to script and as easy to implement on large virtual hosts.
> 
> /eric
> _______________________________________________
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From tommyo at gmail.com  Tue May 10 10:08:52 2005
From: tommyo at gmail.com (Thomas O'Neill)
Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 09:08:52 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] AWStats vs Webalizer
In-Reply-To: <2ca9ba91050510063715a1b209@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001801c554a1$377835e0$6400a8c0@yourx1adg12jme>
	<427FD27C.7090904@persson.tm>
	<2ca9ba91050510063715a1b209@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d0cb92620505100708506b347a@mail.gmail.com>

I use urchin for a log analyizer. The company i lease my server through (
ev1servers.net <http://ev1servers.net>) offers it for free. You should check 
with your hosting provider to see if its available. It is a very robust, 
very slick, very professional program. It includes a user management system 
that will create users by domain name so if you have a bunch of virtual 
sites you can give them each seperate logins. 

-Tom

On 5/10/05, Jeff Knight <jeff.knight at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Webalizer is ugly, real ugly, makes me a little queasy just looking at
> it. One of the worst pieces of information design I've ever seen.
> AWStats provides more information, more thoughtfully laid out, and is
> immediatly intuitive to use (i.e. no schooling for clients). However,
> John's point about locking it down are far from paranoid ramblings. My
> personal development site has very little traffic and no public pages
> at all. As I review the logs, over the last couple months pokes at
> AWStats outnumber any other sort of malicious behavior (although phpBB
> seems on its way back up).
> 
> 
> On 5/9/05, Eric Persson <eric at persson.tm> wrote:
> > Peter Sawczynec wrote:
> > > ....for web log analysis. Comments, evaluations, feedback...
> >
> > Been using webalizer for years, and it works good, shows you what you
> > want to know. However, it needs a short lesson to get clients to like
> > it. It could need some improvement on the guiside, but its sufficient,
> > but many other tools are better here, although I havent found anyone
> > thats better to script and as easy to implement on large virtual hosts.
> >
> > /eric
> > _______________________________________________
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> > AMP Technology
> > Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP
> > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
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From yury at heavenspa.com  Tue May 10 10:37:11 2005
From: yury at heavenspa.com (Yury :: heavenspa web services)
Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 10:37:11 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FTP - users/access
In-Reply-To: <20050504221607.3f8c2a29@genoverly.com>
Message-ID: <ECEKLPHECCLGFGAFEPEJIEMDEEAA.yury@heavenspa.com>

Hi Folks -- still dealing with my FTP questions. It looks like the server
has ProFTPD on it..
But it also (ensim) has AddVirtUser via command line.. does anyone out there
have any web based php scripts that add users via AddVirtUser?
Tia
yury

I've searched google... found a few that are run via command line/SSH..need
something similar, but web based.


-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of michael
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 9:16 PM
To: talk at lists.nyphp.org
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] FTP - users/access


On Wed,  4 May 2005 20:50:34 -0400 (EDT)
talk-request at lists.nyphp.org wrote:

> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 20:49:12 -0400
> From: Mitch Pirtle <mitch.pirtle at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] FTP - users/access
> To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> Message-ID: <330532b6050504174956baa48e at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> On 5/4/05, Hans Zaunere <lists at zaunere.com> wrote:
> >
> > Depends on the FTP daemon.  If it's something modern, like ProFTPd, you
can plug it into a database like MySQL, which is then trivial to work with.
>
> Ditto for vsftpd (very secure ftp daemon) - which not only is secure,
> but is fast, fast, fast! Also a good fit for virtual account setups
> and external authentication schemes.
>
> -- Mitch
>
>
> ------------------------------


+1 vsftp & mysql
Michael

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From nasir81 at gmail.com  Tue May 10 11:51:22 2005
From: nasir81 at gmail.com (Nasir Zubair)
Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 11:51:22 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FTP - users/access
In-Reply-To: <ECEKLPHECCLGFGAFEPEJIEMDEEAA.yury@heavenspa.com>
References: <20050504221607.3f8c2a29@genoverly.com>
	<ECEKLPHECCLGFGAFEPEJIEMDEEAA.yury@heavenspa.com>
Message-ID: <40fcda73050510085156c2b92@mail.gmail.com>

Do you have root access to the server? Well, since you are trying to
add users, you must :-)

ProFTP has a mysql module you can include at compile time. More
information at http://www.castaglia.org/proftpd/doc/contrib/ProFTPD-mini-HOWTO-SQL.html

I have personally done a recompile of ProFTPD with mysql for a client
who wanted to provide free hosting with dynamic account creation, the
setup was a breeze and is still up and running.

Hope that helps.

On 5/10/05, Yury :: heavenspa web services <yury at heavenspa.com> wrote:
> Hi Folks -- still dealing with my FTP questions. It looks like the server
> has ProFTPD on it..
> But it also (ensim) has AddVirtUser via command line.. does anyone out there
> have any web based php scripts that add users via AddVirtUser?
> Tia
> yury
> 
> I've searched google... found a few that are run via command line/SSH..need
> something similar, but web based.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of michael
> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 9:16 PM
> To: talk at lists.nyphp.org
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] FTP - users/access
> 
> On Wed,  4 May 2005 20:50:34 -0400 (EDT)
> talk-request at lists.nyphp.org wrote:
> 
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 11
> > Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 20:49:12 -0400
> > From: Mitch Pirtle <mitch.pirtle at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] FTP - users/access
> > To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> > Message-ID: <330532b6050504174956baa48e at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> > On 5/4/05, Hans Zaunere <lists at zaunere.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Depends on the FTP daemon.  If it's something modern, like ProFTPd, you
> can plug it into a database like MySQL, which is then trivial to work with.
> >
> > Ditto for vsftpd (very secure ftp daemon) - which not only is secure,
> > but is fast, fast, fast! Also a good fit for virtual account setups
> > and external authentication schemes.
> >
> > -- Mitch
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> 
> +1 vsftp & mysql
> Michael
> 
> --
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk Mailing List
> AMP Technology
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-- 
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http://www.nasir.us/


From 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com  Tue May 10 11:53:34 2005
From: 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com (inforequest)
Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 11:53:34 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] AWStats vs Webalizer
In-Reply-To: <d0cb92620505100708506b347a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001801c554a1$377835e0$6400a8c0@yourx1adg12jme>	<427FD27C.7090904@persson.tm>	<2ca9ba91050510063715a1b209@mail.gmail.com>
	<d0cb92620505100708506b347a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2731-40293@sneakemail.com>

Thomas O'Neill tommyo-at-gmail.com |nyphp dev/internal group use| wrote:

> I use urchin for a log analyizer. The company i lease my server 
> through (ev1servers.net <http://ev1servers.net>) offers it for free. 
> You should check with your hosting provider to see if its available. 
> It is a very robust, very slick, very professional program.  It 
> includes a user management system that will create users by domain 
> name so if you have a bunch of virtual sites you can give them each 
> seperate logins. 
>
> -Tom
>
Urchin is now part of the Googleplex, and is getting very low-cost. It 
is widely believed it will be free soon, because Google wants your 
stats. By trading free stat software for access to your site stats, 
Google gets what I was just saying is a very valuable competitive 
intelligence. Not unlike GMail in some ways, and very much different in 
other ways (I'd sooner use GMail than the new urchin, for sure).

-=john andrews








From 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com  Tue May 10 11:55:58 2005
From: 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com (inforequest)
Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 11:55:58 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Should I try Zend Studio (again) ?
In-Reply-To: <2ca9ba9105051006265ff199c6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001801c554a1$377835e0$6400a8c0@yourx1adg12jme>	<427FD27C.7090904@persson.tm>
	<16287-07688@sneakemail.com>	<d0cb9262050509183127a28a3a@mail.gmail.com>
	<2ca9ba9105051006265ff199c6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4755-28137@sneakemail.com>

Jeff Knight jeff.knight-at-gmail.com |nyphp dev/internal group use| wrote:

>I was able to use 3.5 and evaluate 4 on my machine simultaneously. 
>The installer created a /config_4.0 folder next to my /config_3.5
>folder and didn't override any of the original 3.5 application files
>(putting all the 4.0 versions is a subfolder), Of course, I don't use
>windows, but I don't see why they wouldn't keep those sorts of
>features the same.
>
>On the other hand, after my 30 days were up, I ended up going back to
>3.5, seeing 4.0 as too little improvement for too much money.
>
>  
>
Thanks, Jeff that's very helpful.

On Wndows we have DLL and registry issues that make it more problematic. 
XAMP gets around it nicely, so it is possible to do it, but I'd rather 
not find out the hard way right now.



From andrew at plexpod.com  Tue May 10 21:44:29 2005
From: andrew at plexpod.com (Andrew Yochum)
Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 21:44:29 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] TruStudio - Eclipse-based PHP/Python IDE
In-Reply-To: <4755-28137@sneakemail.com>
References: <001801c554a1$377835e0$6400a8c0@yourx1adg12jme>	<427FD27C.7090904@persson.tm>
	<16287-07688@sneakemail.com>	<d0cb9262050509183127a28a3a@mail.gmail.com>
	<2ca9ba9105051006265ff199c6@mail.gmail.com>
	<4755-28137@sneakemail.com>
Message-ID: <3C1C7B34-345F-47F0-BCB5-7928ABDBB827@plexpod.com>

I was inspired by the Zend Studio discussion to revisit PHP IDEs  
other than my glorified swiss army knife, Vim...

Has anyone had experience with TruStudio from xored?  I really like  
Eclipse for Java which is the underlying platform.  This TruStudio  
looks pretty killer if its solid.

Any experience?  Worth $95/year?

-- 
Andrew Yochum
Plexpod
andrew at plexpod.com
718-360-0879





From tommyo at gmail.com  Tue May 10 22:23:28 2005
From: tommyo at gmail.com (Thomas O'Neill)
Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 21:23:28 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] TruStudio - Eclipse-based PHP/Python IDE
In-Reply-To: <3C1C7B34-345F-47F0-BCB5-7928ABDBB827@plexpod.com>
References: <001801c554a1$377835e0$6400a8c0@yourx1adg12jme>
	<427FD27C.7090904@persson.tm> <16287-07688@sneakemail.com>
	<d0cb9262050509183127a28a3a@mail.gmail.com>
	<2ca9ba9105051006265ff199c6@mail.gmail.com>
	<4755-28137@sneakemail.com>
	<3C1C7B34-345F-47F0-BCB5-7928ABDBB827@plexpod.com>
Message-ID: <d0cb926205051019231740adf3@mail.gmail.com>

I would say its not worth the money... just go grab the phpeclipse plugins.. 
they seem more stable the trustudio in my opinion. 

I use eclipse every day for java development too.. I think that trustudio is 
close but not there yet. I still think that zend studio is the best php ide. 
I personally think that it has come along way. 4.0 is more stable, seems 
*quicker*, and has a few cool new features. I really like zde's free 
debugger. I have it installed on our staging/development server and it has 
proven very helpful for debuggin/profiling php code. If i where you i would 
give ZDE another whirl. I don't think either of the eclipse based dev 
environments (phpeclipse or trustudio) are there yet. ZDE is close.

Just my 2 cents..

TOM

On 5/10/05, Andrew Yochum <andrew at plexpod.com> wrote:
> 
> I was inspired by the Zend Studio discussion to revisit PHP IDEs
> other than my glorified swiss army knife, Vim...
> 
> Has anyone had experience with TruStudio from xored? I really like
> Eclipse for Java which is the underlying platform. This TruStudio
> looks pretty killer if its solid.
> 
> Any experience? Worth $95/year?
> 
> --
> Andrew Yochum
> Plexpod
> andrew at plexpod.com
> 718-360-0879
> 
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk Mailing List
> AMP Technology
> Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP
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> 



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From dan at cain.sh  Tue May 10 22:36:53 2005
From: dan at cain.sh (Daniel J Cain Jr.)
Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 21:36:53 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] TruStudio - Eclipse-based PHP/Python IDE
In-Reply-To: <3C1C7B34-345F-47F0-BCB5-7928ABDBB827@plexpod.com>
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	<3C1C7B34-345F-47F0-BCB5-7928ABDBB827@plexpod.com>
Message-ID: <42816FC5.2070305@cain.sh>


Andrew Yochum wrote:
> I was inspired by the Zend Studio discussion to revisit PHP IDEs  other 
> than my glorified swiss army knife, Vim...

If you haven't seen it already you should check out 
http://www.satokar.com/viplugin/index.php for Eclipse... I *really* like 
being able to use my vim-fu within a nice IDE.

You can check it out for free (older version I think), but its like ~$20 
US to get the 'real' deal.



From hans at cyberxdesigns.com  Wed May 11 08:16:50 2005
From: hans at cyberxdesigns.com (Hans Kaspersetz)
Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 08:16:50 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Should I try Zend Studio (again) ?
In-Reply-To: <4755-28137@sneakemail.com>
References: <001801c554a1$377835e0$6400a8c0@yourx1adg12jme>	<427FD27C.7090904@persson.tm>	<16287-07688@sneakemail.com>	<d0cb9262050509183127a28a3a@mail.gmail.com>	<2ca9ba9105051006265ff199c6@mail.gmail.com>
	<4755-28137@sneakemail.com>
Message-ID: <4281F7B2.9080601@cyberxdesigns.com>

I have both versions on my PC right now.  I am trying the trial 
version.  Having both does not seem to messing either up.  I also have 
both on my Powerbook.  I am most likely going to upgrade to 4 because of 
documenter and the SQL stuff.  And I think it is the right thing to do.  
I like Zends products, I use them all the time and I make my living with 
them, so I think it is appropriate I support them.  I know that might be 
a weird view on that but I know when people use my stuff and make a 
living from it I would like them to give back a little.  Sort of a 
principle thing.

Hans K

-- 

Hans Kaspersetz
Cyber X Designs
 
http://www.cyberxdesigns.com



inforequest wrote:

> Jeff Knight jeff.knight-at-gmail.com |nyphp dev/internal group use| 
> wrote:
>
>> I was able to use 3.5 and evaluate 4 on my machine simultaneously. 
>> The installer created a /config_4.0 folder next to my /config_3.5
>> folder and didn't override any of the original 3.5 application files
>> (putting all the 4.0 versions is a subfolder), Of course, I don't use
>> windows, but I don't see why they wouldn't keep those sorts of
>> features the same.
>>
>> On the other hand, after my 30 days were up, I ended up going back to
>> 3.5, seeing 4.0 as too little improvement for too much money.
>>
>>  
>>
> Thanks, Jeff that's very helpful.
>
> On Wndows we have DLL and registry issues that make it more 
> problematic. XAMP gets around it nicely, so it is possible to do it, 
> but I'd rather not find out the hard way right now.
>
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk Mailing List
> AMP Technology
> Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org
>
>
>

 



From 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com  Wed May 11 09:41:51 2005
From: 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com (inforequest)
Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 09:41:51 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Should I try Zend Studio (again) ?
Message-ID: <810-34400@sneakemail.com>

Thanks Hans. Sounds like an infomercial for Zend!

Seriously though, so you have been a user of 3.5? or 3.0? Do you use the server side debugger or are you commenting on how you like the IDE? If you use the debugger, you have a Windows client and a remote Linux server so I'd love to hear your experiences with reliabiliy and speed of the interactive debugging, especially when you dock/undock/connect remotely.

Andif you don't mind clarifying, are you being supportive because you make your living off of the IDE or did you mean PHP? The former says alot abut the product; the latter speaks to the value of PHP (undisputed).

After your 30 days when you remove the trial I'd be interested in your experience with the Windows dual setup.  Usually the problems happen when you finish and delete (I bet they pay alot of attention to getting it working properly as a trial on someone's system, but I wish companies would pay more attention to leaving your system cleanly when you don't buy/upgrade. Yeah sure, right?) 

My license is for 3.0 and I would have to pay more to even go to 3.5, let alone 4.0  I guess that's the reward for being an early adopter (!).

I'm pretty close to moving on at this point. Doesn't seem to enough gains for the added complexity.

Thanks again for the feedback. I am sure there are others benefitting from these discussions on the list.

-=john andrews



-----Original Message-----
From: 
	"Hans Kaspersetz hans-at-cyberxdesigns.com |nyphp dev/internal group use|" <...>
Sent: May 11, 2005 8:16 AM
To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Should I try Zend Studio (again) ?

I have both versions on my PC right now.  I am trying the trial 
version.  Having both does not seem to messing either up.  I also have 
both on my Powerbook.  I am most likely going to upgrade to 4 because of 
documenter and the SQL stuff.  And I think it is the right thing to do.  
I like Zends products, I use them all the time and I make my living with 
them, so I think it is appropriate I support them.  I know that might be 
a weird view on that but I know when people use my stuff and make a 
living from it I would like them to give back a little.  Sort of a 
principle thing.

Hans K



From andrew at plexpod.com  Wed May 11 10:35:53 2005
From: andrew at plexpod.com (Andrew Yochum)
Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 10:35:53 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] TruStudio - Eclipse-based PHP/Python IDE
In-Reply-To: <42816FC5.2070305@cain.sh>
References: <001801c554a1$377835e0$6400a8c0@yourx1adg12jme>
	<427FD27C.7090904@persson.tm> <16287-07688@sneakemail.com>
	<d0cb9262050509183127a28a3a@mail.gmail.com>
	<2ca9ba9105051006265ff199c6@mail.gmail.com>
	<4755-28137@sneakemail.com>
	<3C1C7B34-345F-47F0-BCB5-7928ABDBB827@plexpod.com>
	<42816FC5.2070305@cain.sh>
Message-ID: <20050511143553.GB10901@zoidberg.digitalpulp.com>

On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 09:36:53PM -0500, Daniel J Cain Jr. wrote:
> 
> Andrew Yochum wrote:
> >I was inspired by the Zend Studio discussion to revisit PHP IDEs  other 
> >than my glorified swiss army knife, Vim...
> 
> If you haven't seen it already you should check out 
> http://www.satokar.com/viplugin/index.php for Eclipse... I *really* like 
> being able to use my vim-fu within a nice IDE.
>
> You can check it out for free (older version I think), but its like ~$20 
> US to get the 'real' deal.
 
Sounds nifty.  I'll certainly give it a shot!

Thanks,
Andrew
--
Andrew Yochum
Plexpod
andrew at plexpod.com
718-360-0879


From andrew at plexpod.com  Wed May 11 10:26:51 2005
From: andrew at plexpod.com (Andrew Yochum)
Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 10:26:51 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] TruStudio - Eclipse-based PHP/Python IDE
In-Reply-To: <d0cb926205051019231740adf3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001801c554a1$377835e0$6400a8c0@yourx1adg12jme>
	<427FD27C.7090904@persson.tm> <16287-07688@sneakemail.com>
	<d0cb9262050509183127a28a3a@mail.gmail.com>
	<2ca9ba9105051006265ff199c6@mail.gmail.com>
	<4755-28137@sneakemail.com>
	<3C1C7B34-345F-47F0-BCB5-7928ABDBB827@plexpod.com>
	<d0cb926205051019231740adf3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20050511142650.GA10901@zoidberg.digitalpulp.com>

On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 09:23:28PM -0500, Thomas O'Neill wrote:
> I would say its not worth the money... just go grab the phpeclipse plugins.. 
> they seem more stable the trustudio in my opinion. 

I should try phpeclipse again... my most recent trial of it left me with
a half working install.  I can't stop to debug my debugger.
 
> I use eclipse every day for java development too.. I think that trustudio is 
> close but not there yet. I still think that zend studio is the best php ide. 
> I personally think that it has come along way. 4.0 is more stable, seems 
> *quicker*, and has a few cool new features. I really like zde's free 
> debugger. I have it installed on our staging/development server and it has 
> proven very helpful for debuggin/profiling php code. If i where you i would 
> give ZDE another whirl. I don't think either of the eclipse based dev 
> environments (phpeclipse or trustudio) are there yet. ZDE is close.

Well, I'll probably be giving that a whirl again, too.  I haven't tried
4.0 yet.

I'm also giving TruStudio a try, too.  From my initial perusal of their
site I was under the impression I couldn't use it without a license, but
it seems you may download it.  The licensing still isn't clear, but I'm
downloading it now and I'll soon find out.

Through the years, I keep coming back to Vim with my own little set of
perl and python interface scripts for templating, munging & managing my
buffers. For the curious:
	http://vimdoc.sourceforge.net/htmldoc/if_perl.html
	http://vimdoc.sourceforge.net/htmldoc/if_pyth.html

I hear there is a Ruby interface too, but I haven't drank that koolaid
yet.

Andrew
--
Andrew Yochum
Plexpod
andrew at plexpod.com
718-360-0879


From pl at eskimo.net  Wed May 11 13:31:20 2005
From: pl at eskimo.net (Peter Lehrer)
Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 13:31:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] OT: Choosing Hosting Companies
Message-ID: <48471.64.152.49.244.1115832680.squirrel@64.152.49.244>

Hi,

I am a relative newbie at this. I suggested to a client that she choose
between godaddy.com, yahoo.com and register.com to host her site. I am not
sure which one over the other to advise though. Does anyone on the list
have any preference among these three and/or any experience with them that
they could share.  I don't think she has more than $20 per month to spend
on a site and I like the 24/7 phone support that all these sites say they
have.  I did hear though, that register.com is one of the most reliable.

Any advice you have would be appreciated.


Regards,

Peter Lehrer


From max at neuropunks.org  Wed May 11 13:36:13 2005
From: max at neuropunks.org (max)
Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 12:36:13 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] OT: Choosing Hosting Companies
In-Reply-To: <48471.64.152.49.244.1115832680.squirrel@64.152.49.244>
References: <48471.64.152.49.244.1115832680.squirrel@64.152.49.244>
Message-ID: <20050511173613.GA98914@neuropunks.org>

I personally like gandi.net, its a French registrar, comes out to be around 10EU/year. They are a little lacking on customer support side, but I just like the idea of not using an American registrar. They have a fully featured interface, but I would say this recommendation will fare better for technically oriented.
By hosting, do you also mean webhosting/server hosting?
For webhosting, I would recommend www.webhost4life.com. They are cheap, reliable, very flexible, and feature pretty much dymmy-proof control panel.
If you want to host a server, I am using www.pilosoft.com, and they charge me $75/mo/1U with 50Gb/mo bandwidth in a datacenter at 55 Broad st. downtown. 
Im sure you can do better in either category, just recommending something I've used and had a good experience with. 


On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 01:31:20PM -0400, Peter Lehrer wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am a relative newbie at this. I suggested to a client that she choose
> between godaddy.com, yahoo.com and register.com to host her site. I am not
> sure which one over the other to advise though. Does anyone on the list
> have any preference among these three and/or any experience with them that
> they could share.  I don't think she has more than $20 per month to spend
> on a site and I like the 24/7 phone support that all these sites say they
> have.  I did hear though, that register.com is one of the most reliable.
> 
> Any advice you have would be appreciated.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Peter Lehrer
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk Mailing List
> AMP Technology
> Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org
> 


From rolan at omnistep.com  Wed May 11 14:26:32 2005
From: rolan at omnistep.com (Rolan Yang)
Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 14:26:32 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] OT: Choosing Hosting Companies
In-Reply-To: <48471.64.152.49.244.1115832680.squirrel@64.152.49.244>
References: <48471.64.152.49.244.1115832680.squirrel@64.152.49.244>
Message-ID: <42824E58.30508@omnistep.com>

I usually go to netcraft.com to check up on the reliability of web hosts.

A google search for web hosting came up with this link: 
http://www.webhostingunleashed.com/
It looks like all the links on that page are affliate clickthru's so 
take the "top 10" list with a grain of salt, but the customer submitted 
reviews should insightful.

~Rolan

Peter Lehrer wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I am a relative newbie at this. I suggested to a client that she choose
>between godaddy.com, yahoo.com and register.com to host her site. I am not
>sure which one over the other to advise though. Does anyone on the list
>have any preference among these three and/or any experience with them that
>they could share.  I don't think she has more than $20 per month to spend
>on a site and I like the 24/7 phone support that all these sites say they
>have.  I did hear though, that register.com is one of the most reliable.
>
>Any advice you have would be appreciated.
>
>
>Regards,
>
>Peter Lehrer
>_______________________________________________
>New York PHP Talk Mailing List
>AMP Technology
>Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP
>http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>http://www.nyphp.org
>
>  
>


From tommyo at gmail.com  Wed May 11 14:51:06 2005
From: tommyo at gmail.com (Thomas O'Neill)
Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 13:51:06 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Should I try Zend Studio (again) ?
In-Reply-To: <810-34400@sneakemail.com>
References: <810-34400@sneakemail.com>
Message-ID: <d0cb926205051111517c9cab77@mail.gmail.com>

I use the Linux server side debugger in combination with a windows client 
and it works great. In fact we have about 8 developers with ZDE installed 
all developing on the same linux server across multiple web applications. It 
works great.

-Tom

On 5/11/05, inforequest <1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Hans. Sounds like an infomercial for Zend!
> 
> Seriously though, so you have been a user of 3.5? or 3.0? Do you use the 
> server side debugger or are you commenting on how you like the IDE? If you 
> use the debugger, you have a Windows client and a remote Linux server so I'd 
> love to hear your experiences with reliabiliy and speed of the interactive 
> debugging, especially when you dock/undock/connect remotely.
> 
> Andif you don't mind clarifying, are you being supportive because you make 
> your living off of the IDE or did you mean PHP? The former says alot abut 
> the product; the latter speaks to the value of PHP (undisputed).
> 
> After your 30 days when you remove the trial I'd be interested in your 
> experience with the Windows dual setup. Usually the problems happen when you 
> finish and delete (I bet they pay alot of attention to getting it working 
> properly as a trial on someone's system, but I wish companies would pay more 
> attention to leaving your system cleanly when you don't buy/upgrade. Yeah 
> sure, right?)
> 
> My license is for 3.0 and I would have to pay more to even go to 3.5, let 
> alone 4.0 I guess that's the reward for being an early adopter (!).
> 
> I'm pretty close to moving on at this point. Doesn't seem to enough gains 
> for the added complexity.
> 
> Thanks again for the feedback. I am sure there are others benefitting from 
> these discussions on the list.
> 
> -=john andrews
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> "Hans Kaspersetz hans-at-cyberxdesigns.com<http://hans-at-cyberxdesigns.com>|nyphp dev/internal group use|" <...>
> Sent: May 11, 2005 8:16 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Should I try Zend Studio (again) ?
> 
> I have both versions on my PC right now. I am trying the trial
> version. Having both does not seem to messing either up. I also have
> both on my Powerbook. I am most likely going to upgrade to 4 because of
> documenter and the SQL stuff. And I think it is the right thing to do.
> I like Zends products, I use them all the time and I make my living with
> them, so I think it is appropriate I support them. I know that might be
> a weird view on that but I know when people use my stuff and make a
> living from it I would like them to give back a little. Sort of a
> principle thing.
> 
> Hans K
> 
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From michael.southwell at nyphp.org  Wed May 11 14:59:31 2005
From: michael.southwell at nyphp.org (Michael Southwell)
Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 14:59:31 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] terminating semi-colon in mysql_query
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050511145820.020b9b20@mail.optonline.net>

Despite the clear injunction at http://php.net/mysql_query that "The
query string should not end with a semicolon," it appears that there
is no problem doing it.  This line

$query="SELECT `address` FROM `units` WHERE `unitid`=106;";

is working just fine for me (on MySQL 3.23.51 and 4.0.22). Does
anybody have ideas about what might be going on here? If the
injunction is not enforced, why was it originally issued? Or am I
overlooking something obvious?


Michael Southwell, Vice President for Education
New York PHP
http://nyphp.org/twoday - In-depth PHP Training Courses



From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Thu May 12 10:10:52 2005
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff Siegel)
Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 10:10:52 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] OT: Permanently delete files
Message-ID: <0IGD00GSEREA3X@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>

Can anyone recommend a utility for permanently deleting files from a Windows
machine?
 
Jeff
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From codebowl at gmail.com  Thu May 12 10:16:15 2005
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 10:16:15 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] OT: Permanently delete files
In-Reply-To: <0IGD00GSEREA3X@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
References: <0IGD00GSEREA3X@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
Message-ID: <8d9a428005051207162f0e2c41@mail.gmail.com>

wont php do this with unlink() ?

-- 
Joseph Crawford Jr.
Codebowl Solutions
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From max at neuropunks.org  Thu May 12 10:31:17 2005
From: max at neuropunks.org (max)
Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 09:31:17 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] OT: Permanently delete files
In-Reply-To: <0IGD00GSEREA3X@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
References: <0IGD00GSEREA3X@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
Message-ID: <20050512143117.GA62226@neuropunks.org>

Hi,
If you mean secure multipass deletion, this seems to be pretty cool:
http://www.download.com/Eraser/3000-2092_4-10231813.html?tag=lst-0-5

But consider this (waaaay OT, from recent Bugtraq post):

-----
Hello,

Device Configuration Overlays (DCO) is a not so well known optional feature set in the ATA-6 standard and forwards. It is supported by a lot of, but not all, modern disks. Using DCO it is possible to tell a disk that it should appear smaller than it really is, thus hiding an arbitrarily large part of the disk from the operating system.

We have made some tests with DCO and a few common imaging and wiping tools. It seems that most tools are *not* capable of handling DCO at all.

For example we have found that even using the DOS boot floppy of EnCase Forensic Edition 4.18a, the part of a disk hidden with DCO will not get aquired.

Another really bad thing is that disk wipe tools do not wipe a disk with a DCO set on it. For example, the very common tool ExpertEraser 2.0 from IBAS can be tricked into wiping as little of a disk as wished by setting a DCO on the disk before the wipe.

I would like to emphasize that these are only examples of tools that cannot handle DCO, so simply switching to another manufacturers tool will *not* solve the problem. Because the issue affects so many tools we have chosen not to try to contact all manufacturers before releasing this information.

There is a freeware tool coded by me that can set & discover & remove DCO:

http://vidstrom.net/stools/taft/

We have been using it for our research for a few months now but I haven't published it until now.

Also, I have written a report (which was finished already in January this year) on this and other issues related to ATA and Computer Forensics but it has taken time to get it through all the formalities with classification and such, so it will probably take another couple of weeks before I can publish it.


Regards /Arne Vidstr?m

Researcher, IT Security
Swedish Defence Research Agency
http://www.foi.se



On Thu, May 12, 2005 at 10:10:52AM -0400, Jeff Siegel wrote:
> Can anyone recommend a utility for permanently deleting files from a Windows
> machine?
>  
> Jeff

> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk Mailing List
> AMP Technology
> Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org


From rolan at omnistep.com  Thu May 12 10:40:15 2005
From: rolan at omnistep.com (Rolan Yang)
Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 10:40:15 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] OT: Permanently delete files
In-Reply-To: <0IGD00GSEREA3X@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
References: <0IGD00GSEREA3X@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
Message-ID: <42836ACF.5070703@omnistep.com>

How permanent? Some places can physically recover data off a hard drive 
even after it has been formatted several times.
A reliable way to assure destruction of data would be to store it all in 
a ram drive and make sure it doesn't get cached on the hard disk as swap.

Jeff Siegel wrote:

> Can anyone recommend a utility for permanently deleting files from a 
> Windows machine?
>  
> Jeff
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>  
>


From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Thu May 12 10:57:56 2005
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff Siegel)
Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 10:57:56 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] OT: Permanently delete files
In-Reply-To: <8d9a428005051207162f0e2c41@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0IGD00725TJZYP@mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>

Sorry if I wasn't clear about my question. I'm looking for a utility that
runs on Windows (i.e., windows software), kinda of like the Ontrack data
eraser utility (except THEIR utility costs $500 bucks!!).
 
Jeff
 
 

  _____  

From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On
Behalf Of Joseph Crawford
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 9:16 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] OT: Permanently delete files


wont php do this with unlink() ?

-- 
Joseph Crawford Jr.
Codebowl Solutions
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From dcech at phpwerx.net  Thu May 12 11:09:08 2005
From: dcech at phpwerx.net (Dan Cech)
Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 11:09:08 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] OT: Permanently delete files
In-Reply-To: <0IGD00725TJZYP@mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
References: <0IGD00725TJZYP@mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
Message-ID: <42837194.9010507@phpwerx.net>

Jeff,

You may find this page useful:

http://dban.sourceforge.net/

I'm not sure if DBAN in exactly what you are looking for, but there is a 
list of other similar products at the bottom.

Dan

Jeff Siegel wrote:
> Sorry if I wasn't clear about my question. I'm looking for a utility that
> runs on Windows (i.e., windows software), kinda of like the Ontrack data
> eraser utility (except THEIR utility costs $500 bucks!!).
>  
> Jeff


From chsnyder at gmail.com  Thu May 12 11:51:14 2005
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (csnyder)
Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 11:51:14 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] OT: Permanently delete files
In-Reply-To: <42836ACF.5070703@omnistep.com>
References: <0IGD00GSEREA3X@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
	<42836ACF.5070703@omnistep.com>
Message-ID: <b7625269050512085114cf8fe9@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/12/05, Rolan Yang <rolan at omnistep.com> wrote:
> How permanent? Some places can physically recover data off a hard drive
> even after it has been formatted several times.

As long at we're OT, I noticed the other day that Apple's drive
formatter offers the option of overwriting each block of an erased
volume 35 times.

As in, I really really really (x35!) want that data gone.


From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Thu May 12 11:58:33 2005
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff Siegel)
Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 11:58:33 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] OT: Permanently delete files
In-Reply-To: <42837194.9010507@phpwerx.net>
Message-ID: <0IGD003D9WC2RR@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>

Thanks for all of the suggestions. Someone sent me a copy of SuperDelete and
I'm not sure if it has the flaw that was pointed out in one of the emails. 

And to answer someone else's question...a RAM drive doesn't apply here since
they are files that already exist on a hard drive. 

The initial question about permanent deletion came from a lawyer who needs
to make sure that certain files on a hard drive are gone...forever!

Jeff



From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Thu May 12 12:07:53 2005
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 12:07:53 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] OT: Permanently delete files
In-Reply-To: <0IGD00GSEREA3X@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
References: <0IGD00GSEREA3X@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
Message-ID: <20050512160753.GA18709@panix.com>

Hey Jeff:

On Thu, May 12, 2005 at 10:10:52AM -0400, Jeff Siegel wrote:
> Can anyone recommend a utility for permanently deleting files from a Windows
> machine?

I do such things using "shred -u", which is part my Cygwin installation.

--Dan

-- 
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 4015 7th Ave #4, Brooklyn NY 11232  v: 718-854-0335 f: 718-854-0409


From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Thu May 12 12:46:46 2005
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff Siegel)
Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 12:46:46 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] OT: Permanently delete files
In-Reply-To: <20050512160753.GA18709@panix.com>
Message-ID: <0IGD005A0YLD4H@mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>

Not likely that the average end user will install Cygwin.

Jeff  


-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On
Behalf Of Daniel Convissor
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 11:08 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] OT: Permanently delete files

Hey Jeff:

On Thu, May 12, 2005 at 10:10:52AM -0400, Jeff Siegel wrote:
> Can anyone recommend a utility for permanently deleting files from a
Windows
> machine?

I do such things using "shred -u", which is part my Cygwin installation.

--Dan




From chsnyder at gmail.com  Thu May 12 12:58:55 2005
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (csnyder)
Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 12:58:55 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] OT: Permanently delete files
In-Reply-To: <0IGD005A0YLD4H@mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
References: <20050512160753.GA18709@panix.com>
	<0IGD005A0YLD4H@mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
Message-ID: <b762526905051209586797c1e2@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/12/05, Jeff Siegel <jsiegel1 at optonline.net> wrote:
> Not likely that the average end user will install Cygwin.
> 

The average user doesn't need to shred the deleted data 
on their harddrives either, what?


From chubbard at next-online.net  Thu May 12 13:08:52 2005
From: chubbard at next-online.net (Chris Hubbard)
Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 10:08:52 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] OT: Permanently delete files
In-Reply-To: <b762526905051209586797c1e2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20050512160753.GA18709@panix.com>	<0IGD005A0YLD4H@mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
	<b762526905051209586797c1e2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <42838DA4.9000500@next-online.net>

An alternative is to remove the disks (platters), and have a barbecue.  
I'm assuming that  if  you were to melt the platters into a small pile 
of slag, that even the most enterprising of data-recovery specialists 
would have difficulties.  If a barbecue doesn't seem hot enough there 
are various additives you could add to increase the heat.  The additives 
I'm thinking of will certainly spoil your franks, some may even lead to 
the barbecue being included in the pile of slag.  Of course, there's 
probably information encoded in the barbecue that would end up being 
recovered.
Chris


csnyder wrote:

>On 5/12/05, Jeff Siegel <jsiegel1 at optonline.net> wrote:
>  
>
>>Not likely that the average end user will install Cygwin.
>>
>>    
>>
>
>The average user doesn't need to shred the deleted data 
>on their harddrives either, what?
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From tommyo at gmail.com  Thu May 12 14:55:52 2005
From: tommyo at gmail.com (Thomas O'Neill)
Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 13:55:52 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] AMP on AS400
Message-ID: <d0cb926205051211556f139605@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Guys,

I have a client that is currently running a website on an AS400 with 
Websphere. Has anyone had any experience getting PHP installed and running 
on an AS400. How about MySQL?

We are going to build a small portal site for this client with a calender 
and CMS for about 10 users. Nothing fancy. Do you think it would make more 
sense to put AMP on a new Linux box on their network rather then messing 
with their AS400?

Thanks!

-- 
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tommyo at gmail.com
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From mitch.pirtle at gmail.com  Thu May 12 15:01:52 2005
From: mitch.pirtle at gmail.com (Mitch Pirtle)
Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 15:01:52 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] AMP on AS400
In-Reply-To: <d0cb926205051211556f139605@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d0cb926205051211556f139605@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <330532b605051212017ba64729@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/12/05, Thomas O'Neill <tommyo at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey Guys,
>  
>  I have a client that is currently running a website on an AS400 with
> Websphere.  Has anyone had any experience getting PHP installed and running
> on an AS400. How about MySQL?

Yup, IIRC they (IBM) have an add-on for OS400 that allows you to run a
linux virtual machine, with a data gateway (to DB2) and so on.

>  We are going to build a small portal site for this client with a calender
> and CMS for about 10 users.   Nothing fancy. Do you think it would make more
> sense to put AMP on a new Linux box on their network rather then messing
> with their AS400?

If they are already running their other websites on the AS400, then it
would make sense to keep all the other websites on that machine as
well. The one exception to this idea is that you might want to
introduce an alternative webserving platform, but that should be a
strategic decision on the client's part.

-- Mitch, fighting mightily with ubuntu on the cranky laptop


From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Thu May 12 15:29:58 2005
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff Siegel)
Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 15:29:58 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] OT: Permanently delete files
In-Reply-To: <42838DA4.9000500@next-online.net>
Message-ID: <0IGE001CY67L85@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>

Hmmm....what if the grill is a Weber? Would that handle the heat better? ;)

Jeff

 
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On
Behalf Of Chris Hubbard
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 12:09 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] OT: Permanently delete files


An alternative is to remove the disks (platters), and have a barbecue.  I'm
assuming that  if  you were to melt the platters into a small pile of slag,
that even the most enterprising of data-recovery specialists would have
difficulties.  If a barbecue doesn't seem hot enough there are various
additives you could add to increase the heat.  The additives I'm thinking of
will certainly spoil your franks, some may even lead to the barbecue being
included in the pile of slag.  Of course, there's probably information
encoded in the barbecue that would end up being recovered.
Chris






From frank_wong2 at informationideas.com  Thu May 12 17:17:50 2005
From: frank_wong2 at informationideas.com (Frank Wong)
Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 17:17:50 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Dynamically write functions
Message-ID: <4283C7FE.5010108@informationideas.com>

I am wondering if there is a way to write functions dynamically.  This 
is what I am trying to do.

Currently, I have the following:
-------------------------------------------------
function foo1 () {
    global bar1, bar2;

    // code
}
function foo2 () {
    global bar1, bar2;

    // code
}
-------------------------------------------------


I want to do something like the following:
-------------------------------------------------
function write_globals() {
    $output = 'global bar1, bar2;'
    return $output;
}
function foo1 () {
    write_globals();

    // code
}
functioin foo2 () {
    write_globals();

    // code
}
-------------------------------------------------

Obviously, the above code does not work as it is written.  But I was 
wondering if anyone knows a way to make that happen.  TIA


________________________
Frank Wong



From chsnyder at gmail.com  Thu May 12 17:31:28 2005
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (csnyder)
Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 17:31:28 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Dynamically write functions
In-Reply-To: <4283C7FE.5010108@informationideas.com>
References: <4283C7FE.5010108@informationideas.com>
Message-ID: <b76252690505121431e836300@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/12/05, Frank Wong <frank_wong2 at informationideas.com> wrote:
> I want to do something like the following:
> -------------------------------------------------
> function write_globals() {
>     $output = 'global bar1, bar2;'
>     return $output;
> }
> function foo1 () {
>     write_globals();
> 
>     // code
> }

Not sure exactly what the goal is, and there may be a much better way
to do it, but if I understand correctly then this might work:

function write_globals() {
  $command = ' global $bar1, $bar2; '; 
  return $command;
}
function foo1() {
  $command = write_globals();
  eval( $command );

  // code
}

Be extremely careful with eval() to ensure that no user input finds
its way into the $command string, otherwise somebody could execute
arbitrary php code within your application.

Like I said, there's probably a better way to do whatever you are
trying to do....


From frank_wong2 at informationideas.com  Thu May 12 18:39:28 2005
From: frank_wong2 at informationideas.com (Frank Wong)
Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 18:39:28 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Dynamically write functions
In-Reply-To: <b76252690505121431e836300@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4283C7FE.5010108@informationideas.com>
	<b76252690505121431e836300@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4283DB20.8040108@informationideas.com>

csnyder wrote:

>On 5/12/05, Frank Wong <frank_wong2 at informationideas.com> wrote:
>  
>
>>I want to do something like the following:
>>-------------------------------------------------
>>function write_globals() {
>>    $output = 'global bar1, bar2;'
>>    return $output;
>>}
>>function foo1 () {
>>    write_globals();
>>
>>    // code
>>}
>>    
>>
>
>Not sure exactly what the goal is, and there may be a much better way
>to do it, but if I understand correctly then this might work:
>
>  
>
Well, what I have are some global variables that is set in a global 
include file.  I need to use them within my functions.  The problem I 
have been faced with is that once in a while my code changes require a 
new global variable.  I find myself going into every function to add 
'global $bar1;'.  My thinking was that if I had a function that wrote 
all my global vars, the next time a new global is introducted all I have 
to do is modify the write_globals() function.

>function write_globals() {
>  $command = ' global $bar1, $bar2; '; 
>  return $command;
>}
>function foo1() {
>  $command = write_globals();
>  eval( $command );
>
>  // code
>}
>
>  
>
Aha, eval is what I was missing.  I will try that.  Thanks.

>Be extremely careful with eval() to ensure that no user input finds
>its way into the $command string, otherwise somebody could execute
>arbitrary php code within your application.
>
>  
>
Thanks for the reminder on the security issue with eval.  In my case, I 
am safe since I only intend to put globals in my eval.

>Like I said, there's probably a better way to do whatever you are
>trying to do....
>_______________________________________________
>New York PHP Talk Mailing List
>AMP Technology
>Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP
>http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>http://www.nyphp.org
>
>
>
>  
>




From alanseiden at yahoo.com  Thu May 12 21:40:31 2005
From: alanseiden at yahoo.com (Alan Seiden)
Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 18:40:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] AMP on AS400
Message-ID: <20050513014031.26335.qmail@web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Tom,

I run PHP (CGI version) and MySql in the PASE environment on the
AS/400. PASE does not require an additional Linux partition. PASE
supports AIX binaries. I run Mambo and PHPAdsNew there.

The performance is mediocre, so I wouldn't try it with a high-volume
site. IBM states that they will improve support for PHP by the end of
2005.

This web site is helpful: i5php.net

--Alan
---------
Alan Seiden
Senior Developer and Technical Lead
Strategic Business Systems, Inc.
Ramsey, N.J.
alanseiden (at) yahoo.com




From rolan at omnistep.com  Fri May 13 00:23:57 2005
From: rolan at omnistep.com (Rolan Yang)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 00:23:57 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Dynamically write functions
In-Reply-To: <4283DB20.8040108@informationideas.com>
References: <4283C7FE.5010108@informationideas.com>	<b76252690505121431e836300@mail.gmail.com>
	<4283DB20.8040108@informationideas.com>
Message-ID: <42842BDD.7000908@omnistep.com>

I remember doing something like:

function write_globals($bar) {
global $$bar;
print "The value of $bar is $$bar";
}

put the name of the variable into $bar and pass it to the function.


~Rolan


Frank Wong wrote:

> csnyder wrote:
>
>> On 5/12/05, Frank Wong <frank_wong2 at informationideas.com> wrote:
>>  
>>
>>> I want to do something like the following:
>>> -------------------------------------------------
>>> function write_globals() {
>>>    $output = 'global bar1, bar2;'
>>>    return $output;
>>> }
>>> function foo1 () {
>>>    write_globals();
>>>
>>>    // code
>>> }
>>>   
>>
>>
>> Not sure exactly what the goal is, and there may be a much better way
>> to do it, but if I understand correctly then this might work:
>>
>>  
>>
> Well, what I have are some global variables that is set in a global 
> include file.  I need to use them within my functions.  The problem I 
> have been faced with is that once in a while my code changes require a 
> new global variable.  I find myself going into every function to add 
> 'global $bar1;'.  My thinking was that if I had a function that wrote 
> all my global vars, the next time a new global is introducted all I 
> have to do is modify the write_globals() function.
>
>> function write_globals() {
>>  $command = ' global $bar1, $bar2; ';  return $command;
>> }
>> function foo1() {
>>  $command = write_globals();
>>  eval( $command );
>>
>>  // code
>> }
>>
>>  
>>
> Aha, eval is what I was missing.  I will try that.  Thanks.
>
>> Be extremely careful with eval() to ensure that no user input finds
>> its way into the $command string, otherwise somebody could execute
>> arbitrary php code within your application.
>>
>>  
>>
> Thanks for the reminder on the security issue with eval.  In my case, 
> I am safe since I only intend to put globals in my eval.
>
>> Like I said, there's probably a better way to do whatever you are
>> trying to do....
>> _______________________________________________
>> New York PHP Talk Mailing List
>> AMP Technology
>> Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP
>> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>> http://www.nyphp.org
>>
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk Mailing List
> AMP Technology
> Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org
>


From kenrbnsn at rbnsn.com  Fri May 13 05:08:38 2005
From: kenrbnsn at rbnsn.com (Ken Robinson)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 05:08:38 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Dynamically write functions
In-Reply-To: <4283DB20.8040108@informationideas.com>
References: <4283C7FE.5010108@informationideas.com>
	<b76252690505121431e836300@mail.gmail.com>
	<4283DB20.8040108@informationideas.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.3.0.2.20050513050053.024df900@mail.rbnsn.com>

At 06:39 PM 5/12/2005, Frank Wong wrote:
>csnyder wrote:
>
>>On 5/12/05, Frank Wong <frank_wong2 at informationideas.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I want to do something like the following:
>>>-------------------------------------------------
>>>function write_globals() {
>>>    $output = 'global bar1, bar2;'
>>>    return $output;
>>>}
>>>function foo1 () {
>>>    write_globals();
>>>
>>>    // code
>>>}
>>>
>>
>>Not sure exactly what the goal is, and there may be a much better way
>>to do it, but if I understand correctly then this might work:
>>
>>
>Well, what I have are some global variables that is set in a global 
>include file.  I need to use them within my functions.  The problem 
>I have been faced with is that once in a while my code changes 
>require a new global variable.  I find myself going into every 
>function to add 'global $bar1;'.  My thinking was that if I had a 
>function that wrote all my global vars, the next time a new global 
>is introducted all I have to do is modify the write_globals() function.

You might want to re-think how you handle the globals in the first place.

Since all global variables are stored in the $_GLOBALS super array, 
why don't you either reference the global variables as an index of 
that array ($_GLOBALS['variable_name']) or use the extract() function 
at the start of each function to get variable names?

Ken 



From nhart at musicpf.org  Fri May 13 09:22:45 2005
From: nhart at musicpf.org (NH)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 09:22:45 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] AMP on AS400
In-Reply-To: <d0cb926205051211556f139605@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d0cb926205051211556f139605@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4284AA25.2000400@musicpf.org>

Thomas,

I have PHP currently running on our AS/400.  Here is a link:
http://www.i5php.net/

You have to install the PASE environment on the ISeries and there is a 
patch provided by IBM which enables you to access DB2 data directly 
within PHP.  So far IBM has provided this patch for up to PHP 4.3 which 
I currently have working in a test environment.  I recently had an email 
from the following guys from IBM Germany who wanted to know if anyone is 
interested in further PHP development for the ISeries.  Please let them 
know you would like to see further development and support as this may 
get the gears turning:
heiko_mueller at at.ibm.com
BARLEN at de.ibm.com
wolfgang_pauer at at.ibm.com

Keep in touch and let me know what you decide.  It didn't look any 
easier to me to try to get real-time data exchanged between a 
linux/MySQL system and AS/400/DB2. 

Regards,
Nicholas Hart
212-391-3950 X320


Thomas O'Neill wrote:

> Hey Guys,
>
> I have a client that is currently running a website on an AS400 with 
> Websphere.  Has anyone had any experience getting PHP installed and 
> running on an AS400. How about MySQL?
>
> We are going to build a small portal site for this client with a 
> calender and CMS for about 10 users.   Nothing fancy. Do you think it 
> would make more sense to put AMP on a new Linux box on their network 
> rather then messing with their AS400?
>
> Thanks!
>
> -- 
> Tom O'Neill
> tommyo at gmail.com <mailto:tommyo at gmail.com>
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>_______________________________________________
>New York PHP Talk Mailing List
>AMP Technology
>Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP
>http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>http://www.nyphp.org
>




From stephen at musgrave.org  Fri May 13 10:26:42 2005
From: stephen at musgrave.org (Stephen Musgrave)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 10:26:42 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP to OBDC / Exchange
Message-ID: <8d7510912e0ce011eb158fdfd509de13@musgrave.org>

List -

I am in the early stages of researching how to go about connecting to a 
remote OBDC server and an Microsoft Exchange server (likely on two 
different servers) via PHP.  At this point I do not know if the polling 
web server will be running on Unix or Windows.

With the OBDC connection, I would like the option of having a web 
interface to an Access database.  The interface would be used to create 
custom queries for reporting.  Does a product like that exist?  I see 
that there are many interfaces for Microsoft SQL server, but not 
explicitly Access.

With the Microsoft Exchange server, I am thinking of writing a program 
to poll emails from accounts for correspondence logging - nothing 
dramatic.  The PHP native IMAP drivers look like they can handle the 
job - but being unfamiliar with Exchange, is it a given that Exchange 
is always running IMAP?

Thanks for any advice, links, etc.  Your advisement is well appreciated.

Thanks,

Stephen

???????????????????????????????
	email:	stephen at musgrave.org
	web:		http://stephen.musgrave.org/career
	office:  	 917.721.3378
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From frank_wong2 at informationideas.com  Fri May 13 10:30:11 2005
From: frank_wong2 at informationideas.com (Frank Wong)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 10:30:11 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Dynamically write functions
In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.0.2.20050513050053.024df900@mail.rbnsn.com>
References: <4283C7FE.5010108@informationideas.com>	<b76252690505121431e836300@mail.gmail.com>	<4283DB20.8040108@informationideas.com>
	<6.2.3.0.2.20050513050053.024df900@mail.rbnsn.com>
Message-ID: <4284B9F3.9010108@informationideas.com>

Ken Robinson wrote:

> You might want to re-think how you handle the globals in the first place.
>
> Since all global variables are stored in the $_GLOBALS super array, 
> why don't you either reference the global variables as an index of 
> that array ($_GLOBALS['variable_name']) or use the extract() function 
> at the start of each function to get variable names?
>
I was just lazy and didn't want to type all the $_GLOBALS[...] when I 
first developed the application.  Now I regret it.   :-(   The extract 
function is perfect!  I had never used it before.  That should solve my 
problems instead of using a function to write the globals into all other 
functions.  Thanks a bunch for all the help.




From chsnyder at gmail.com  Fri May 13 10:35:37 2005
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (csnyder)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 10:35:37 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP to OBDC / Exchange
In-Reply-To: <8d7510912e0ce011eb158fdfd509de13@musgrave.org>
References: <8d7510912e0ce011eb158fdfd509de13@musgrave.org>
Message-ID: <b7625269050513073523da87c0@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/13/05, Stephen Musgrave <stephen at musgrave.org> wrote:

> The PHP native IMAP drivers look like they can handle the
> job - but being unfamiliar with Exchange, is it a given that Exchange
> is always running IMAP?

It's not a given that Exchange is running imap, but I believe it's any
easy option to turn on. If not, maybe you can screen-scrape from
Outlook Web Access.

Imap will give you access to messages and mailboxes/folders, but
events, tasklists, and contacts are basically off-limits. True that
you can devine the existence and subject of these items, but you can't
get at the yummy Microsoft metadata that makes them useful.


From krook at us.ibm.com  Fri May 13 10:38:21 2005
From: krook at us.ibm.com (Daniel Krook)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 10:38:21 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP and WebSphere together
Message-ID: <OF69D761BA.ED02A093-ON85257000.00496BCC-85257000.005068D1@us.ibm.com>

Hey folks,

An article I wrote for IBM's developerWorks site went live this week with 
the May issue of the IBM WebSphere Developer Technical Journal.

The article argues that while PHP and WebSphere are generally considered 
competitors, they can work together to support a common type of 
application.  The article covers the roles of a web application, where PHP 
and WebSphere fit in, and how to install them together with Apache and DB2 
on a Linux server. 

I also provided a sample application as a proof of concept.   The example 
code consists of a J2EE Struts application which serves as a content 
management system to a PHP-driven public website.

Enjoy, and don't forget to submit a rating at the bottom of the article - 
if that module shows up for you... I seem to have been spared of it for 
now :) 


Pair J2EE with PHP to implement a common Web application infrastructure
http://ibm.com/developerworks/websphere/techjournal/0505_krook/0505_krook.html

IBM WebSphere Developer Technical Journal
http://ibm.com/developerworks/websphere/techjournal/






Daniel Krook, Advisory IT Specialist 
Application Development, Production Services - Tools, ibm.com

Personal: http://info.krook.org/
BluePages: http://w3.ibm.com/bluepages?searchcnum=9A9796897




From stephen at musgrave.org  Fri May 13 10:50:46 2005
From: stephen at musgrave.org (Stephen Musgrave)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 10:50:46 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP to OBDC / Exchange
In-Reply-To: <8d7510912e0ce011eb158fdfd509de13@musgrave.org>
References: <8d7510912e0ce011eb158fdfd509de13@musgrave.org>
Message-ID: <8a5e4d30c9e34ba9fa24ca9a3fa2c5be@musgrave.org>



> With the OBDC connection, I would like the option of having a web 
> interface to an Access database.  The interface would be used to 
> create custom queries for reporting.  Does a product like that exist?  
> I see that there are many interfaces for Microsoft SQL server, but not 
> explicitly Access.

And while we're on the topic, is there a way to use a visual 
environment like Access to view MySQL?  I have used Navicat before 
which was quite useful, any other suggestions?




From stephen at musgrave.org  Fri May 13 10:53:43 2005
From: stephen at musgrave.org (Stephen Musgrave)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 10:53:43 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP to OBDC / Exchange
In-Reply-To: <b7625269050513073523da87c0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d7510912e0ce011eb158fdfd509de13@musgrave.org>
	<b7625269050513073523da87c0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <07bcafb3a514fb394031e90e725ac66f@musgrave.org>


On May 13, 2005, at 10:35 AM, csnyder wrote:
> Imap will give you access to messages and mailboxes/folders, but
> events, tasklists, and contacts are basically off-limits. True that
> you can devine the existence and subject of these items, but you can't
> get at the yummy Microsoft metadata that makes them useful.

I ran across this in the comments section for imap_open() on the 
php.net site:


14-Jan-2004 03:03
In order to make a IMAP connection to a Microsoft Exchange Server 5.5, 
I used this connection-string :

<?php
if(imap_open ("{192.168.1.6:143/imap}Inbox", "DOMAIN/USERNAME/ALIAS", 
"PASSWORD"))
{
    echo 'Connection success!';
}
else
{
    echo 'Connection failed';
}
?>

By replacing "Inbox" with, e.g. "Tasks", its possible to see all your 
tasks. I Hope this helps anybody!

Regards



From nyphp at n0p.net  Fri May 13 11:01:52 2005
From: nyphp at n0p.net (Flavio daCosta)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 11:01:52 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Dynamically write functions
In-Reply-To: <4284B9F3.9010108@informationideas.com>
References: <4283C7FE.5010108@informationideas.com>
	<b76252690505121431e836300@mail.gmail.com>
	<4283DB20.8040108@informationideas.com>
	<6.2.3.0.2.20050513050053.024df900@mail.rbnsn.com>
	<4284B9F3.9010108@informationideas.com>
Message-ID: <1115996512.9821.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>

> the extract() function 

Just be careful when using extract() as it is one of those functions you
look for when checking for exploitable code. ;)  For example, I have
seen nasty stuff like extract($_POST) which is register_globals all over
again.


Flavio




From willie at pdfsystems.com  Fri May 13 11:27:19 2005
From: willie at pdfsystems.com (William Klein)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 11:27:19 -0400
Subject: [php] Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP to OBDC / Exchange
In-Reply-To: <8a5e4d30c9e34ba9fa24ca9a3fa2c5be@musgrave.org>
Message-ID: <20050513152855.B3787A86D8@virtu.nyphp.org>



>And while we're on the topic, is there a way to use a visual 
>environment like Access to view MySQL?  I have used Navicat before 
>which was quite useful, any other suggestions?

I use MySQL Administrator and phpMyAdmin
_______________________________________________



From chsnyder at gmail.com  Fri May 13 11:57:36 2005
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (csnyder)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 11:57:36 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP to OBDC / Exchange
In-Reply-To: <07bcafb3a514fb394031e90e725ac66f@musgrave.org>
References: <8d7510912e0ce011eb158fdfd509de13@musgrave.org>
	<b7625269050513073523da87c0@mail.gmail.com>
	<07bcafb3a514fb394031e90e725ac66f@musgrave.org>
Message-ID: <b76252690505130857295d381b@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/13/05, Stephen Musgrave <stephen at musgrave.org> wrote:

> By replacing "Inbox" with, e.g. "Tasks", its possible to see all your
> tasks. I Hope this helps anybody!

In my experience, you can see the tasks, but not any of the details
associated with them (such as whether they are completed or not). If
you find out how to do this through imap, please share!


From max at neuropunks.org  Fri May 13 11:58:48 2005
From: max at neuropunks.org (max)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 10:58:48 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] php.ini not loading
Message-ID: <20050513155848.GA80108@neuropunks.org>

Hello,
I have a ridiculous issue, php.ini is not being read by apache.
I put a copy (all identical) into
/usr/local/lib/php
/usr/lib/php
/usr/local/etc/
/etc/
My current project's default html/php scripts dir
Server root as specified in httpd.conf
or pick any other random location, and its still not being read. I tried every permutation of dirs above, first only one of them, then all, then some other only one, etc, still nothing.
I still get errors displayed, and upload temp file path is still not changing. 
I restart my apache after every attempt.
This is on freebsd 5.2.1 on sparc64, apache 1.3.33 installed from ports, and php 5.0.4 installed from source in /usr/local/lib/php
I am lost. Is there some function may be where I can specify within my script where to look for php.ini?


Thank you!


From frank_wong2 at informationideas.com  Fri May 13 11:59:35 2005
From: frank_wong2 at informationideas.com (Frank Wong)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 11:59:35 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Dynamically write functions
In-Reply-To: <1115996512.9821.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1115996512.9821.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <4284CEE7.5010100@informationideas.com>


>
>Just be careful when using extract() as it is one of those functions you
>look for when checking for exploitable code. ;)  For example, I have
>seen nasty stuff like extract($_POST) which is register_globals all over
>again.
>
>  
>
Thanks for the heads up on extract.  But do you see any security issues 
with extract($_GLOBALS)?




From 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com  Fri May 13 12:20:21 2005
From: 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com (inforequest)
Date: 13 May 2005 12:20:21 -0400 
Subject: [nycphp-talk] php.ini not loading
Message-ID: <20584-86636@sneakemail.com>

Perhaps run phpinfo() and see which one is in use?

-----Original Message-----
From:  max max-at-neuropunks.org |nyphp dev/internal group use|
Date:  5/13/05 11:59 am
To:  talk at lists.nyphp.org
Subj:  [nycphp-talk] php.ini not loading

Hello,
I have a ridiculous issue, php.ini is not being read by apache.
I put a copy (all identical) into
/usr/local/lib/php
/usr/lib/php
/usr/local/etc/
/etc/
My current project's default html/php scripts dir
Server root as specified in httpd.conf
or pick any other random location, and its still not being read. I tried every permutation of dirs above, first only one of them, then all, then some other only one, etc, still nothing.
I still get errors displayed, and upload temp file path is still not changing.
I restart my apache after every attempt.
This is on freebsd 5.2.1 on sparc64, apache 1.3.33 installed from ports, and php 5.0.4 installed from source in /usr/local/lib/php
I am lost. Is there some function may be where I can specify within my script where to look for php.ini?


Thank you!
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From andrew at plexpod.com  Fri May 13 12:25:36 2005
From: andrew at plexpod.com (Andrew Yochum)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 12:25:36 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] php.ini not loading
In-Reply-To: <20050513155848.GA80108@neuropunks.org>
References: <20050513155848.GA80108@neuropunks.org>
Message-ID: <20050513162536.GB21534@zoidberg.digitalpulp.com>

On Fri, May 13, 2005 at 10:58:48AM -0500, max wrote:
> I am lost. Is there some function may be where I can specify within my
> script where to look for php.ini?

The output of phpinfo() tells you where that build is looking for its
php.ini

HTH,
Andrew


From dcech at phpwerx.net  Fri May 13 12:29:08 2005
From: dcech at phpwerx.net (Dan Cech)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 12:29:08 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Dynamically write functions
In-Reply-To: <4284CEE7.5010100@informationideas.com>
References: <1115996512.9821.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<4284CEE7.5010100@informationideas.com>
Message-ID: <4284D5D4.8040100@phpwerx.net>

Frank,

What you could do is to make a helper function like:

function &get_globals()
{
   return array(
     'var1' => $GLOBALS['var1'],
     'var2' => $GLOBALS['var2']
   );
}

then use:

function myfunc()
{
   extract(get_globals(),EXTR_REFS);

   // code
}

This way you will have all the same access to the variables that you had 
before, and full control over which variables are available.

Dan

Frank Wong wrote:
>> Just be careful when using extract() as it is one of those functions you
>> look for when checking for exploitable code. ;)  For example, I have
>> seen nasty stuff like extract($_POST) which is register_globals all over
>> again.
>
> Thanks for the heads up on extract.  But do you see any security issues 
> with extract($_GLOBALS)?


From dcech at phpwerx.net  Fri May 13 12:34:32 2005
From: dcech at phpwerx.net (Dan Cech)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 12:34:32 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Dynamically write functions
In-Reply-To: <4284CEE7.5010100@informationideas.com>
References: <1115996512.9821.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<4284CEE7.5010100@informationideas.com>
Message-ID: <4284D718.3070301@phpwerx.net>

Frank,

Another thought about using extract($GLOBALS) is that all of the 
'superglobals' ($_SESSION,$_REQUEST,$_POST,etc) are entries in the 
$GLOBALS array, so just using that by itself would probably introduce 
'interesting' behaviours.

Dan

Frank Wong wrote:
>> Just be careful when using extract() as it is one of those functions you
>> look for when checking for exploitable code. ;)  For example, I have
>> seen nasty stuff like extract($_POST) which is register_globals all over
>> again.
>
> Thanks for the heads up on extract.  But do you see any security issues 
> with extract($_GLOBALS)?


From nyphp at n0p.net  Fri May 13 12:44:40 2005
From: nyphp at n0p.net (Flavio daCosta)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 12:44:40 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Dynamically write functions
In-Reply-To: <4284CEE7.5010100@informationideas.com>
References: <1115996512.9821.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<4284CEE7.5010100@informationideas.com>
Message-ID: <1116002680.9821.46.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2005-05-13 at 11:59 -0400, Frank Wong wrote:
> Thanks for the heads up on extract.  But do you see any security issues 
> with extract($_GLOBALS)?

Heh, trick question.

In theory it appears fine seeing as the variables were somehow global in
the first place, you are just brining them into a function.

However:
Many times exploits are not just one obvious blaring problem, but a
series of ~questionable~ issues coupled together.  In general, I just
consider extract() to be one of those questionable functions.


You said:
> I find myself going into every function to add 'global $bar1;'

But aren't you in the functions anyway actually utilizing the _new_
global variable.  I dont understand why you would need them in _every_
function if you aren't actually in the function coding to them...



Flavio








From nyphp at n0p.net  Fri May 13 12:58:04 2005
From: nyphp at n0p.net (Flavio daCosta)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 12:58:04 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Dynamically write functions
In-Reply-To: <4284D5D4.8040100@phpwerx.net>
References: <1115996512.9821.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<4284CEE7.5010100@informationideas.com> <4284D5D4.8040100@phpwerx.net>
Message-ID: <1116003484.9821.49.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2005-05-13 at 12:29 -0400, Dan Cech wrote:

Personally I like what Dan wrote in the fact that it gives you more
control over such an unwieldy function...  It gives me better "warm
fizzies" then just using extract() raw.




From max at neuropunks.org  Fri May 13 13:11:38 2005
From: max at neuropunks.org (max)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 12:11:38 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] php.ini not loading
In-Reply-To: <20584-86636@sneakemail.com>
References: <20584-86636@sneakemail.com>
Message-ID: <20050513171138.GA8190@neuropunks.org>

yes that worked, thank you!
was in /usr/local/lib for some reason.. 
thanks


On Fri, May 13, 2005 at 12:20:21PM -0400, inforequest wrote:
> Perhaps run phpinfo() and see which one is in use?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From:  max max-at-neuropunks.org |nyphp dev/internal group use|
> Date:  5/13/05 11:59 am
> To:  talk at lists.nyphp.org
> Subj:  [nycphp-talk] php.ini not loading
> 
> Hello,
> I have a ridiculous issue, php.ini is not being read by apache.
> I put a copy (all identical) into
> /usr/local/lib/php
> /usr/lib/php
> /usr/local/etc/
> /etc/
> My current project's default html/php scripts dir
> Server root as specified in httpd.conf
> or pick any other random location, and its still not being read. I tried every permutation of dirs above, first only one of them, then all, then some other only one, etc, still nothing.
> I still get errors displayed, and upload temp file path is still not changing.
> I restart my apache after every attempt.
> This is on freebsd 5.2.1 on sparc64, apache 1.3.33 installed from ports, and php 5.0.4 installed from source in /usr/local/lib/php
> I am lost. Is there some function may be where I can specify within my script where to look for php.ini?
> 
> 
> Thank you!
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk Mailing List
> AMP Technology
> Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP
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> http://www.nyphp.org
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From frank_wong2 at informationideas.com  Fri May 13 13:37:11 2005
From: frank_wong2 at informationideas.com (Frank Wong)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 13:37:11 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Dynamically write functions
In-Reply-To: <4284D5D4.8040100@phpwerx.net>
References: <1115996512.9821.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<4284CEE7.5010100@informationideas.com>
	<4284D5D4.8040100@phpwerx.net>
Message-ID: <4284E5C7.9080909@informationideas.com>

Dan Cech wrote:

> Frank,
>
> What you could do is to make a helper function like:
>
> function &get_globals()
> {
>   return array(
>     'var1' => $GLOBALS['var1'],
>     'var2' => $GLOBALS['var2']
>   );
> }
>
> then use:
>
> function myfunc()
> {
>   extract(get_globals(),EXTR_REFS);
>
>   // code
> }
>
> This way you will have all the same access to the variables that you 
> had before, and full control over which variables are available.
>
I like that a lot.  This is the method I'm going to go with.  Thank you 
very much for the pointers.




From frank_wong2 at informationideas.com  Fri May 13 13:43:43 2005
From: frank_wong2 at informationideas.com (Frank Wong)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 13:43:43 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Dynamically write functions
In-Reply-To: <1116002680.9821.46.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1115996512.9821.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<4284CEE7.5010100@informationideas.com>
	<1116002680.9821.46.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <4284E74F.6060600@informationideas.com>

Flavio daCosta wrote:

>
>You said:
>  
>
>>I find myself going into every function to add 'global $bar1;'
>>    
>>
>
>But aren't you in the functions anyway actually utilizing the _new_
>global variable.  I dont understand why you would need them in _every_
>function if you aren't actually in the function coding to them...
>
>  
>
It's true that I would be in the functions making changes anyway.  But 
again as I have stated before, I am lazy and would like to type as 
little as possible.  I rather add one global var by just typing in one 
place and have it take effect anywhere I want to use the global.  Maybe 
some would consider this extraneous work but my laziness still makes me 
think that it is worth the effort at the end.  :-)



From rrust at r2communications.com  Fri May 13 21:19:48 2005
From: rrust at r2communications.com (Randal Rust)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 21:19:48 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Help Needed with PHP 5 Error Handling
Message-ID: <42855234.30009@r2communications.com>

I use the ADOdb abstraction library for my db calls, and I am working on 
migrating some code from PHP 4.+ to 5. I have run the same code before 
on PHP 5, but did not get any error warnings, so I'm thinking that it is 
how I have error_reporting set in my php.ini file. All of the errors are 
from my adodb.inc.php file.

Here are the errors:

Strict Standards: Assigning the return value of new by reference is
deprecated in C:\web\ohcentral_v2\adodb\adodb.inc.php on line 3790

Strict Standards: Declaration of ADORecordSet_array::FetchField()
should be compatible with that of ADORecordSet::FetchField() in
C:\web\ohcentral_v2\adodb\adodb.inc.php on line 3383

And here is what I have for error_reporting:

error_reporting = E_ALL & ~E_STRICT

I thought that ~E_STRICT was supposed to hide those 'Strict Standards' 
messages?

TIA.

-- 
Randal Rust

R.Squared Communications
http://www.r2communications.com
Digital Design for Bricks-and-Mortar Businesses



From tom at supertom.com  Sat May 14 15:33:18 2005
From: tom at supertom.com (Tom)
Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 15:33:18 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] phpMyAdmin for ODBC?
In-Reply-To: <42855234.30009@r2communications.com>
Message-ID: <0IGH001BBUTX73@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>

Hey Folks,

Looking for recommendations on a phpMyAdmin equivalent for MS Access (via
ODBC) on windows.  Really doesn't have to be the equivalent, if it can
add/edit/delete/view tables that is fine.  Needs to be PHP, as I'm not
running anything else on the box.

Some quick Googling didn't provide any results.  Any suggestions?

Thanks,

Tom
http://www.liphp.org



From jeff.loiselle at gmail.com  Mon May 16 06:24:10 2005
From: jeff.loiselle at gmail.com (Jeff Loiselle)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 06:24:10 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP and WebSphere together
In-Reply-To: <OF69D761BA.ED02A093-ON85257000.00496BCC-85257000.005068D1@us.ibm.com>
References: <OF69D761BA.ED02A093-ON85257000.00496BCC-85257000.005068D1@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <4b1887110505160324207c6825@mail.gmail.com>

This article was published the same day you made this post:
http://news.com.com/Grassroots%20computing%20languages%20hit%20the%20big%20time/2100-1007_3-5705448.html?tag=nefd.lede

On 5/13/05, Daniel Krook <krook at us.ibm.com> wrote:
> Hey folks,
> 
> An article I wrote for IBM's developerWorks site went live this week with
> the May issue of the IBM WebSphere Developer Technical Journal.
> 
> The article argues that while PHP and WebSphere are generally considered
> competitors, they can work together to support a common type of
> application.  The article covers the roles of a web application, where PHP
> and WebSphere fit in, and how to install them together with Apache and DB2
> on a Linux server.
> 
> I also provided a sample application as a proof of concept.   The example
> code consists of a J2EE Struts application which serves as a content
> management system to a PHP-driven public website.
> 
> Enjoy, and don't forget to submit a rating at the bottom of the article -
> if that module shows up for you... I seem to have been spared of it for
> now :)
> 
> Pair J2EE with PHP to implement a common Web application infrastructure
> http://ibm.com/developerworks/websphere/techjournal/0505_krook/0505_krook.html
> 
> IBM WebSphere Developer Technical Journal
> http://ibm.com/developerworks/websphere/techjournal/
> 
> Daniel Krook, Advisory IT Specialist
> Application Development, Production Services - Tools, ibm.com
> 
> Personal: http://info.krook.org/
> BluePages: http://w3.ibm.com/bluepages?searchcnum=9A9796897
> 
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> 


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---
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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Mon May 16 13:18:10 2005
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 13:18:10 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] stuff in SecurityFocus Newsletter #300
Message-ID: <20050516171810.GA3110@panix.com>

SecurityFocus Newsletter #300

APPLICATIONS USING PHP
----------------------
JGS-Portal ID Variable SQL Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/ 13451

PHPMyAdmin Insecure SQL Install Script Permissions Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/ 13452

CodeToSell ViArt Shop Enterprise Multiple Cross-Site Scripting 
Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/ 13462

OSTicket Multiple Input Validation and Remote Code Injection...
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/ 13478

SitePanel2 Multiple Input Validation Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/ 13481

Invision Power Board Act Parameter Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/ 13483

Invision Power Board Topics.PHP Highlite Parameter Cross-Site Scripting 
Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/ 13534

Invision Power Board Login.PHP SQL Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/ 13529

Invision Power Board Search.PHP Highlite Parameter Scripting Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/ 13532

PHP Advanced Transfer Manager Arbitrary File Upload Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/ 13542

Interspire ArticleLive Multiple Remote Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/ 13493

FishNet FishCart Multiple Cross-Site Scripting and SQL Injection 
Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/ 13499

MyBloggie Multiple Input Validation Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/ 13507

MidiCart PHP Search_List.PHP SearchString Parameter SQL Injection 
Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/ 13512

MidiCart PHP Item_List.PHP MainGroup Parameter SQL Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/ 13513

MidiCart PHP Item_List.PHP SecondGroup Parameter SQL Injection 
Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/ 13514

MidiCart PHP Item_Show.PHP Code_No Parameter SQL Injection V...
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/ 13515

MidiCart PHP Search_List.PHP SearchString Parameter Scripting 
Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/ 13516

MidiCart PHP Item_List.PHP SecondGroup Parameter Cross-Site ...
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/ 13517

MidiCart PHP Item_List.PHP Maingroup Parameter Cross-Site Sc...
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/ 13518

BirdBlog BB Code HTML Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/ 13520

CJ Ultra Plus OUT.PHP SQL Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/ 13533



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From aaron at aarond.com  Mon May 16 16:06:49 2005
From: aaron at aarond.com (aaron at aarond.com)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 16:06:49 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] php web form
Message-ID: <4288FD59.4030300@aarond.com>

Anyone have recommendations on how to secure a webform? What I'm trying 
to do is have the code processing page be able to tell if the referring 
page is on the same server.

For example I'd like to avoid someone trying to send post data from a 
copy of my form on another server to mine.

thanks,
Aaron








From nasir81 at gmail.com  Mon May 16 16:41:05 2005
From: nasir81 at gmail.com (Nasir Zubair)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 16:41:05 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] php web form
In-Reply-To: <4288FD59.4030300@aarond.com>
References: <4288FD59.4030300@aarond.com>
Message-ID: <40fcda73050516134151495777@mail.gmail.com>

The simplest way would be to place a hidden field in your form, which
can contain some kind of secret, like MD5/SHA-1 hash of something
known to the server only. If you pick a random secret, you can store
it in a session and check the submitted hash with the hash of the
secret from the session.

On 5/16/05, aaron at aarond.com <aaron at aarond.com> wrote:
> Anyone have recommendations on how to secure a webform? What I'm trying
> to do is have the code processing page be able to tell if the referring
> page is on the same server.
> 
> For example I'd like to avoid someone trying to send post data from a
> copy of my form on another server to mine.
> 
> thanks,
> Aaron
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Mon May 16 16:43:05 2005
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 16:43:05 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] php web form
In-Reply-To: <4288FD59.4030300@aarond.com>
References: <4288FD59.4030300@aarond.com>
Message-ID: <20050516204305.GA20767@panix.com>

On Mon, May 16, 2005 at 04:06:49PM -0400, aaron at aarond.com wrote:
> 
> For example I'd like to avoid someone trying to send post data from a 
> copy of my form on another server to mine.

http://education.nyphp.org/phundamentals/PH_spoofed_submission.php

--Dan

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From nasir81 at gmail.com  Mon May 16 16:45:58 2005
From: nasir81 at gmail.com (Nasir Zubair)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 16:45:58 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] php web form
In-Reply-To: <20050516204305.GA20767@panix.com>
References: <4288FD59.4030300@aarond.com> <20050516204305.GA20767@panix.com>
Message-ID: <40fcda730505161345683253c4@mail.gmail.com>

doh

On 5/16/05, Daniel Convissor <danielc at analysisandsolutions.com> wrote:
> On Mon, May 16, 2005 at 04:06:49PM -0400, aaron at aarond.com wrote:
> >
> > For example I'd like to avoid someone trying to send post data from a
> > copy of my form on another server to mine.
> 
> http://education.nyphp.org/phundamentals/PH_spoofed_submission.php
> 
> --Dan
> 
> --
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From alexchan.1976 at gmail.com  Mon May 16 18:45:27 2005
From: alexchan.1976 at gmail.com (Alex C)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 18:45:27 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] SOAP deamon ish
Message-ID: <8f494f76050516154555dcc589@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everbody,

I need to write SOAP server /deamon.. basicially it has to do the
following.. it needs to  ping a server via a soap message... then.. it
will become a soap server that will accept soap messages ..  any idea
how i can do this?
thanks in advance..
alex


From shiflett at php.net  Mon May 16 19:31:03 2005
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 19:31:03 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] php web form
In-Reply-To: <4288FD59.4030300@aarond.com>
References: <4288FD59.4030300@aarond.com>
Message-ID: <42892D37.30403@php.net>

aaron at aarond.com wrote:
> For example I'd like to avoid someone trying to send post data from a
> copy of my form on another server to mine.

Aside from the helpful information that has been posted, I think it's 
very important to realize that clients send requests, not servers. (Even 
in cases where you want to send a request from your PHP script, you play 
the role of an HTTP client.)

Stated differently, it doesn't matter where an HTML form is located, the 
client (browser) sends the request when the form is submitted.

Hope that helps.

Chris

-- 
Chris Shiflett
Brain Bulb, The PHP Consultancy
http://brainbulb.com/


From mjdewitt at alexcommgrp.com  Wed May 18 15:13:20 2005
From: mjdewitt at alexcommgrp.com (DeWitt, Michael)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 15:13:20 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] OT: Looking to share office space in the Flatiron
	district
Message-ID: <BCF799A6B63DD411985D00805F9F9033011FF4F8@mail.alexcommgrp.com>

Please pardon my off-topic post, but there doesn't seem to be a more
appropriate list to get in touch with NYC based NYPHPer's who might be
interested.

We have space available for three to four people and maybe more. Your space
will include:

- Generously sized, fully equiped semi-private work areas
- Desk, file cabinet, chair, phone
- Shared lobby/reception area staffed by our employees
- Shared use of conference room
- Shared kitchenette
- Safe, secure space
- Cleaning service
- Internet access, local telephone (voice mail and generic greeting), and
just about everything you would expect.

Perfect space for small developer or design firm that appreciates lots of
light in a clean, well-maintained space with virtually no start up costs.

Serious inquiries only. $525 per desk -- negotiable for the right firm. 

If you are interested, please respond to me off-list at
mailto:mjdewitt at alexcommgrp.com 

Mike DeWitt




From mark at thirdstation.com  Thu May 19 10:44:38 2005
From: mark at thirdstation.com (Mark Donoghue)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 10:44:38 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] phpMyAdmin output options
Message-ID: <4212f9ca69661813d74efd3f57208bf5@thirdstation.com>

Hi,

I have a client who is using phpMyAdmin to output their database as 
XML, one XML file per table in their database.

What I need is a few fields from some of the tables, not everything, so 
I can have only one XML file to process.

Is it possible to have phpMyAdmin output XML based off the results of a 
query?

Best,
Mark

/*********************************************
  *     Mark Donoghue
  *     Consulting Engineer
  *     Content Directions, Inc.
  *
  *     p: (845) 242-8501
  *     e: MDonoghue at ContentDirections.com
  *  doi: http://dx.doi.org/10.1570/m.donoghue
  */



From dcech at phpwerx.net  Thu May 19 10:51:40 2005
From: dcech at phpwerx.net (Dan Cech)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 10:51:40 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] phpMyAdmin output options
In-Reply-To: <4212f9ca69661813d74efd3f57208bf5@thirdstation.com>
References: <4212f9ca69661813d74efd3f57208bf5@thirdstation.com>
Message-ID: <428CA7FC.7080608@phpwerx.net>

If you are using a recent version of phpMyAdmin  (I tested this on 
2.5.7-pl1) you can click the 'Export' link under any result set.

Dan

Mark Donoghue wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have a client who is using phpMyAdmin to output their database as XML, 
> one XML file per table in their database.
> 
> What I need is a few fields from some of the tables, not everything, so 
> I can have only one XML file to process.
> 
> Is it possible to have phpMyAdmin output XML based off the results of a 
> query?
> 
> Best,
> Mark


From mike at mikebrittain.com  Thu May 19 22:01:55 2005
From: mike at mikebrittain.com (Mike Brittain)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 22:01:55 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [JOB] PHP Freelance Job (1-2 weeks, on-site)
Message-ID: <428D4513.7070509@mikebrittain.com>

ID Society has an immediate need for a PHP/MySQL web application 
programmer for a 1-2 week project.  He/She will be required to work 
on-site at our office in New York City, must be able to work with other 
developers on staff, and must have demonstrated skills with 
database-driven projects.

For more information, please send us your resume, hourly rate, and 2-3
sample URLs of previous work including a description of the role you had
in each project.  Send these materials to technologyjobs at idsociety.com


-- 
Mike Brittain
Director of Technology
ID Society, Inc.
www.idsociety.com


From ps at pswebcode.com  Fri May 20 22:00:50 2005
From: ps at pswebcode.com (Peter Sawczynec)
Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 22:00:50 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP DOMXM LQuestion
Message-ID: <001e01c55da8$ecb12b50$6400a8c0@yourx1adg12jme>

For the life of me, I can't get the domxml set_content() method to work on a
node. 
I can do get_content() on the node. 
How does one update a single node? 

For example:
The following read process works:
$xml = join('',file('listings_list.xml'));
$dom = domxml_open_mem($xml);
$xpObj = xpath_new_context($dom);
$resObj = xpath_eval($xpObj, "//listing[@id=$id]");
$theOne = $resObj->nodeset[0];
$y1Element = $theOne->get_elements_by_tagname('images1');
$i1 = $y1Element[0]->get_content();
echo $i1

The self-same update does not:
$xml = join('',file('listings_list.xml'));
$dom = domxml_open_mem($xml);
$xpObj = xpath_new_context($dom);
$resObj = xpath_eval($xpObj, "//listing[@id=$id]");
$theOne = $resObj->nodeset[0];
$y1Element = $theOne->get_elements_by_tagname('images1');
$y1Element[0]->set_content();



Warmest regards,

Peter Sawczynec
Technology Director
PSWebcode
ps at pswebcode.com
718.543.3240




From ps at pswebcode.com  Sat May 21 10:42:09 2005
From: ps at pswebcode.com (Peter Sawczynec)
Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 10:42:09 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP DOMXM LQuestion
In-Reply-To: <001e01c55da8$ecb12b50$6400a8c0@yourx1adg12jme>
Message-ID: <001901c55e13$478b0590$6400a8c0@yourx1adg12jme>

Rescind this query. Works fine as wine. Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On
Behalf Of Peter Sawczynec
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 10:01 PM
To: 'Org, Talk at Nyphp.'
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP DOMXM LQuestion


For the life of me, I can't get the domxml set_content() method to work on a
node. 
I can do get_content() on the node. 
How does one update a single node? 

For example:
The following read process works:
$xml = join('',file('listings_list.xml'));
$dom = domxml_open_mem($xml);
$xpObj = xpath_new_context($dom);
$resObj = xpath_eval($xpObj, "//listing[@id=$id]");
$theOne = $resObj->nodeset[0];
$y1Element = $theOne->get_elements_by_tagname('images1');
$i1 = $y1Element[0]->get_content();
echo $i1

The self-same update does not:
$xml = join('',file('listings_list.xml'));
$dom = domxml_open_mem($xml);
$xpObj = xpath_new_context($dom);
$resObj = xpath_eval($xpObj, "//listing[@id=$id]");
$theOne = $resObj->nodeset[0];
$y1Element = $theOne->get_elements_by_tagname('images1');
$y1Element[0]->set_content();



Warmest regards,

Peter Sawczynec
Technology Director
PSWebcode
ps at pswebcode.com
718.543.3240


_______________________________________________
New York PHP Talk Mailing List
AMP Technology
Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP
http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
http://www.nyphp.org




From codebowl at gmail.com  Sat May 21 10:51:46 2005
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 10:51:46 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Mail Headers Malformed???
Message-ID: <8d9a42800505210751bbe6613@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone.

i have a site i am developing on my windows machine and i keep getting this 
error when calling the mail() function


*Warning*: mail()
[function.mail<http://codebowl.homelinux.net:8001/clients/JVMedia/SimonVolkov/function.mail>]:
"sendmail_from" not set in php.ini or custom "From:" header missing in *
D:\clients\JVMedia\Simonvolkov\System\Email\Mailer.class.php* on line *97*

The problem could be simply solved by me setting my sendmail_from in my 
php.ini, however what if i was in a shared environment, something fishy 
here.

here are my headers in code

$headers = 'MIME-Version: 1.0' . "\r\n";
$headers .= 'Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1' . "\r\n";
$headers .= 'To: '.$mail['fname'].' '.$mail['lname'].' <'.$mail['email'].'>' 
. "\r\n";
$headers .= 'From: "Simon Volkov Newsletters" 
<'.Application::Configuration()->NewsletterFromEmail().'>' . "\r\n";

and here are my headers printed out

MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
To: Joseph Crawford <codebowl at gmail.com <http://gmail.com>>
From: Simon Volkov Newsletters <newsletters at svolkov.com <http://svolkov.com>>

Here is my actual mail function call

mail($mail['email'], $mail['subject'], $mail['body'], $headers);


Is there something obvious that i am doing wrong here? I think my headers 
must be malformed because php doesnt see a good custom From header in the 
specified headers it falls back to the php.ini setting (which i have 
commented out)

Any help would be appreciated.

-- 
Joseph Crawford Jr.
Codebowl Solutions
codebowl at gmail.com
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From codebowl at gmail.com  Sat May 21 10:54:22 2005
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 10:54:22 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Re: Mail Headers Malformed???
In-Reply-To: <8d9a42800505210751bbe6613@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d9a42800505210751bbe6613@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8d9a428005052107542b572cc7@mail.gmail.com>

I should also add that when i remove the $headers from the actual mail() 
function call i still recieve this error. So it seems as though i get this 
error no matter what i specify for my custom from header.

-- 
Joseph Crawford Jr.
Codebowl Solutions
codebowl at gmail.com
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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Sat May 21 17:09:24 2005
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 17:09:24 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Mail Headers Malformed???
In-Reply-To: <8d9a42800505210751bbe6613@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d9a42800505210751bbe6613@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20050521210924.GA431@panix.com>

On Sat, May 21, 2005 at 10:51:46AM -0400, Joseph Crawford wrote:

> From: Simon Volkov Newsletters
> <newsletters at svolkov.com <http://svolkov.com>>
                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I've never seen a from header with THAT in there.  I'd bet removing that 
portion will resolve the issue.

--Dan

-- 
 T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
            data intensive web and database programming
                http://www.AnalysisAndSolutions.com/
 4015 7th Ave #4, Brooklyn NY 11232  v: 718-854-0335 f: 718-854-0409



From codebowl at gmail.com  Sat May 21 19:55:28 2005
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 19:55:28 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Mail Headers Malformed???
In-Reply-To: <20050521210924.GA431@panix.com>
References: <8d9a42800505210751bbe6613@mail.gmail.com>
	<20050521210924.GA431@panix.com>
Message-ID: <8d9a4280050521165558572153@mail.gmail.com>

i think gmail malformed that now lol on my end it doesnt look like that :)

however i did get it to work i guess it is mandatory on windows to set the 
php.ini values


-- 
Joseph Crawford Jr.
Codebowl Solutions
codebowl at gmail.com
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From jeff.loiselle at gmail.com  Sun May 22 21:42:22 2005
From: jeff.loiselle at gmail.com (Jeff Loiselle)
Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 21:42:22 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Zend Development Environment SFTP Issues
Message-ID: <4b18871105052218423b303db1@mail.gmail.com>

Just wanted to share a quick tip with everyone regarding ZDE sometimes
having issues connecting via SFTP to an SSH server. I know some of us
have had problems with this in the past, so I figured it was a good
tip if not a trivial one.

Both ZDE and Dreamweaver cannot connect via SFTP unless
PasswordAuthentication is set to 'yes' in the sshd_config file. Then
your problems will mystically disappear along with your obligation to
pay income tax.

Related link: http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/knowledgebase/index.cfm?id=tn_19491

Have fun.
 
---
Jeff Loiselle
Web Developer, Musician, and Observer
http://jeff.loiselles.com


From jayeshsh at ceruleansky.com  Mon May 23 12:39:11 2005
From: jayeshsh at ceruleansky.com (Jayesh Sheth)
Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 12:39:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] plPHP
Message-ID: <62405.69.86.84.233.1116866351.squirrel@webmail.ceruleansky.com>

Hello all,

I found something really cool: plPHP.

Procedures, Functions, and Triggers in PHP
What is plPHP?

plPHP stands for Procedural Language PHP. The language has the PHP engine
at its core and provides PHP scripting support for procedural language
scripts in PostgreSQL. Written by Command Prompt, Inc. plPHP is Open
Source and licensed under the PHP license and the PostgreSQL (BSD)
License.

http://www.commandprompt.com/community/plphp/

Best regards,

- Jay




From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Mon May 23 13:41:38 2005
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 13:41:38 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] php in SecurityFocus Newsletter #301
Message-ID: <20050523174137.GA21775@panix.com>

SecurityFocus Newsletter #301

APPLICATIONS USING PHP
----------------------
PHPBB Unspecified BBCode.PHP Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/ 13545

Advanced Guestbook Index.PHP Entry Parameter SQL Injection V...
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/ 13548

NukeScripts NukeSentinel Input Validation Vulnerability   
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/ 13556

PHP Nuke Double Hex Encoded Input Validation Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/ 13557

CodeThat.com CodeThatShoppingCart Multiple Input Validation ...
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/ 13560

PWSPHP Multiple Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/ 13561

PWSPHP Profil.PHP SQL Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/ 13563

WoltLab Burning Board Unspecified Vulnerability 
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/ 13568

WowBB View_User.PHP SQL Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/ 13569

e107 Website System Search.PHP Remote File Include Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/ 13572

e107 Website System Request.PHP Directory Traversal Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/ 13573

e107 Website System Forum_viewforum.PHP SQL Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/ 13576

e107 Website System Global Variables Unauthorized Access Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/ 13577

Open Solution Quick.Cart Index.PHP Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/ 13599

BoastMachine Remote Arbitrary File Upload Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/ 13600

Open Solution Quick.Forum NewTopic HTML Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/ 13602

DirectTopics Topic.PHP SQL Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/ 13608

DirectTopics HTML Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/ 13609

Bug Report Multiple HTML Injection Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/ 13610

1Two News Multiple HTML Injection Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/ 13612

PHPBB Attachment Mod Unspecified Realname Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/ 13617

All Enthusiast PhotoPost PHP Pro Member.PHP SQL Injection Vu...
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/ 13620

Ultimate PHP Board ViewForum.PHP Cross-Site Scripting Vulner...     
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/ 13621

Ultimate PHP Board ViewForum.PHP SQL Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/ 13622

OpenBB Read.PHP SQL Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/ 13624

OpenBB Member.PHP Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/ 13625

PHPHeaven PHPMyChat Start-Page.CSS.PHP3 Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/ 13627

PHPHeaven PHPMyChat Style.CSS.PHP3 Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/ 13628



RELATED STUFF
-------------
Squid Proxy Unspecified DNS Spoofing Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/ 13592


-- 
 T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
            data intensive web and database programming
                http://www.AnalysisAndSolutions.com/
 4015 7th Ave #4, Brooklyn NY 11232  v: 718-854-0335 f: 718-854-0409


From shiflett at php.net  Mon May 23 23:43:51 2005
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 23:43:51 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Free Books
Message-ID: <4292A2F7.9000707@php.net>

I'm moving to a new apartment this weekend, and as always, this involves 
getting rid of anything I haven't used in the past year. I have quite a 
few books currently scheduled to be tossed out. Let me know if you're 
interested in any of these. They're free (of course), but I would prefer 
that you pick them up (I live on W 34th St) sometime between now and the 
end of the week. Some of these are brand new (given to me within the 
last year and never opened), and several are hard to part with.

Maximum Linux Security
PKI: Implementing and Managing E-Security
Fundamentals of Database Systems
Foundations of Algorithms
Data Structures, Algorithms, and Software Principles in C
Sequential and Parallel Algorithms
Advanced Programming in the UNIX Environment
Understanding Data Communications and Networks
HTTP Essentials
Linux Programming
SSL and TLS
Web Protocols and Practice
C++ Primer
PHP Developer's Cookbook
Secure Programming Cookbook for C and C++
Learning Python
Programming Python
Online Investing Hacks
Ruby in a Nutshell

I also have a few extra copies of HTTP Developer's Handbook and Zend PHP 
Certification Study Guide that I might bring to the meeting to give away.

If you want one of the above books and can't pick it up, I might be 
convinced to carry one or two to the meeting in exchange for free beer.

Chris


From hans at cyberxdesigns.com  Tue May 24 00:41:16 2005
From: hans at cyberxdesigns.com (Hans C. Kaspersetz)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 00:41:16 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Free Books
In-Reply-To: <4292A2F7.9000707@php.net>
References: <4292A2F7.9000707@php.net>
Message-ID: <4292B06C.9000905@cyberxdesigns.com>

Chris,

I could use one of those study guides. 

Thanks,
Hans

Chris Shiflett wrote:

> I'm moving to a new apartment this weekend, and as always, this 
> involves getting rid of anything I haven't used in the past year. I 
> have quite a few books currently scheduled to be tossed out. Let me 
> know if you're interested in any of these. They're free (of course), 
> but I would prefer that you pick them up (I live on W 34th St) 
> sometime between now and the end of the week. Some of these are brand 
> new (given to me within the last year and never opened), and several 
> are hard to part with.
>
> Maximum Linux Security
> PKI: Implementing and Managing E-Security
> Fundamentals of Database Systems
> Foundations of Algorithms
> Data Structures, Algorithms, and Software Principles in C
> Sequential and Parallel Algorithms
> Advanced Programming in the UNIX Environment
> Understanding Data Communications and Networks
> HTTP Essentials
> Linux Programming
> SSL and TLS
> Web Protocols and Practice
> C++ Primer
> PHP Developer's Cookbook
> Secure Programming Cookbook for C and C++
> Learning Python
> Programming Python
> Online Investing Hacks
> Ruby in a Nutshell
>
> I also have a few extra copies of HTTP Developer's Handbook and Zend 
> PHP Certification Study Guide that I might bring to the meeting to 
> give away.
>
> If you want one of the above books and can't pick it up, I might be 
> convinced to carry one or two to the meeting in exchange for free beer.
>
> Chris
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk Mailing List
> AMP Technology
> Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org
>
>
>


-- 
Hans C. Kaspersetz
Cyber X Designs

Office: 201-558-7929
Mobile: 201-681-4156
hans at cyberxdesigns.com
http://www.cyberxdesigns.com



From codebowl at gmail.com  Tue May 24 06:31:08 2005
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 06:31:08 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Free Books
In-Reply-To: <4292B06C.9000905@cyberxdesigns.com>
References: <4292A2F7.9000707@php.net> <4292B06C.9000905@cyberxdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <8d9a42800505240331bb4c226@mail.gmail.com>

i would be interested in any/all you want to get rid of, i can always learn 
;)

let me know if you are willing to ship and what the costs would be to ship 
to vermont.

On 5/24/05, Hans C. Kaspersetz <hans at cyberxdesigns.com> wrote:
> 
> Chris,
> 
> I could use one of those study guides.
> 
> Thanks,
> Hans
> 
> Chris Shiflett wrote:
> 
> > I'm moving to a new apartment this weekend, and as always, this
> > involves getting rid of anything I haven't used in the past year. I
> > have quite a few books currently scheduled to be tossed out. Let me
> > know if you're interested in any of these. They're free (of course),
> > but I would prefer that you pick them up (I live on W 34th St)
> > sometime between now and the end of the week. Some of these are brand
> > new (given to me within the last year and never opened), and several
> > are hard to part with.
> >
> > Maximum Linux Security
> > PKI: Implementing and Managing E-Security
> > Fundamentals of Database Systems
> > Foundations of Algorithms
> > Data Structures, Algorithms, and Software Principles in C
> > Sequential and Parallel Algorithms
> > Advanced Programming in the UNIX Environment
> > Understanding Data Communications and Networks
> > HTTP Essentials
> > Linux Programming
> > SSL and TLS
> > Web Protocols and Practice
> > C++ Primer
> > PHP Developer's Cookbook
> > Secure Programming Cookbook for C and C++
> > Learning Python
> > Programming Python
> > Online Investing Hacks
> > Ruby in a Nutshell
> >
> > I also have a few extra copies of HTTP Developer's Handbook and Zend
> > PHP Certification Study Guide that I might bring to the meeting to
> > give away.
> >
> > If you want one of the above books and can't pick it up, I might be
> > convinced to carry one or two to the meeting in exchange for free beer.
> >
> > Chris
> > _______________________________________________
> > New York PHP Talk Mailing List
> > AMP Technology
> > Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP
> > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> > http://www.nyphp.org
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> --
> Hans C. Kaspersetz
> Cyber X Designs
> 
> Office: 201-558-7929
> Mobile: 201-681-4156
> hans at cyberxdesigns.com
> http://www.cyberxdesigns.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk Mailing List
> AMP Technology
> Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org
> 



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Codebowl Solutions
codebowl at gmail.com
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From ps at pswebcode.com  Tue May 24 08:46:31 2005
From: ps at pswebcode.com (Peter Sawczynec)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 08:46:31 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Free Books
In-Reply-To: <4292A2F7.9000707@php.net>
Message-ID: <002501c5605e$9fa54d10$6400a8c0@yourx1adg12jme>

Maximum Linux Security
PKI: Implementing and Managing E-Security
Online Investing Hacks
PHP Developer's Cookbook

Meeting not doable, but if any of these (in order of pref) are left over. I
would pick up from your location and remunerate with apropos quant of
foreign brewski. PSaw



-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On
Behalf Of Chris Shiflett
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 11:44 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Free Books


I'm moving to a new apartment this weekend, and as always, this involves 
getting rid of anything I haven't used in the past year. I have quite a 
few books currently scheduled to be tossed out. Let me know if you're 
interested in any of these. They're free (of course), but I would prefer 
that you pick them up (I live on W 34th St) sometime between now and the 
end of the week. Some of these are brand new (given to me within the 
last year and never opened), and several are hard to part with.

Maximum Linux Security
PKI: Implementing and Managing E-Security
Fundamentals of Database Systems
Foundations of Algorithms
Data Structures, Algorithms, and Software Principles in C Sequential and
Parallel Algorithms Advanced Programming in the UNIX Environment
Understanding Data Communications and Networks HTTP Essentials Linux
Programming SSL and TLS Web Protocols and Practice
C++ Primer
PHP Developer's Cookbook
Secure Programming Cookbook for C and C++
Learning Python
Programming Python
Online Investing Hacks
Ruby in a Nutshell

I also have a few extra copies of HTTP Developer's Handbook and Zend PHP 
Certification Study Guide that I might bring to the meeting to give away.

If you want one of the above books and can't pick it up, I might be 
convinced to carry one or two to the meeting in exchange for free beer.

Chris
_______________________________________________
New York PHP Talk Mailing List
AMP Technology
Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP
http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
http://www.nyphp.org




From mitch.pirtle at gmail.com  Tue May 24 10:39:03 2005
From: mitch.pirtle at gmail.com (Mitch Pirtle)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 10:39:03 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Free Books
In-Reply-To: <4292A2F7.9000707@php.net>
References: <4292A2F7.9000707@php.net>
Message-ID: <330532b605052407393df2e36c@mail.gmail.com>

> Understanding Data Communications and Networks

??? My copy says 'Understanding Data Communications'.

Oh, mine was purchased 1990, 'cause the one I bought in 1988 was lost somewhere.

-- Mitch, suddenly feeling rather old


From jen at castedlots.org  Tue May 24 14:07:44 2005
From: jen at castedlots.org (jen at castedlots.org)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 11:07:44 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Free books
Message-ID: <20050524180744.18354.qmail@webmail13.mesa1.secureserver.net>

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From gatzby3jr at gmail.com  Tue May 24 15:22:13 2005
From: gatzby3jr at gmail.com (Brian O'Connor)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 15:22:13 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Free Books
In-Reply-To: <330532b605052407393df2e36c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4292A2F7.9000707@php.net>
	<330532b605052407393df2e36c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <29da5d1505052412223e205c42@mail.gmail.com>

I could use C++ Primer, I just need to see if I can arrange for it to
be picked up.

On 5/24/05, Mitch Pirtle <mitch.pirtle at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Understanding Data Communications and Networks
> 
> ??? My copy says 'Understanding Data Communications'.
> 
> Oh, mine was purchased 1990, 'cause the one I bought in 1988 was lost somewhere.
> 
> -- Mitch, suddenly feeling rather old
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From max at neuropunks.org  Tue May 24 15:34:13 2005
From: max at neuropunks.org (max)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 14:34:13 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Free Books
In-Reply-To: <4292A2F7.9000707@php.net>
References: <4292A2F7.9000707@php.net>
Message-ID: <20050524193413.GA16222@neuropunks.org>

Hello,
ill gladly take python book/books if they are still there. Id like the programming python one if its still available.

thanks!

On Mon, May 23, 2005 at 11:43:51PM -0400, Chris Shiflett wrote:
> I'm moving to a new apartment this weekend, and as always, this involves 
> getting rid of anything I haven't used in the past year. I have quite a 
> few books currently scheduled to be tossed out. Let me know if you're 
> interested in any of these. They're free (of course), but I would prefer 
> that you pick them up (I live on W 34th St) sometime between now and the 
> end of the week. Some of these are brand new (given to me within the 
> last year and never opened), and several are hard to part with.
> 
> Maximum Linux Security
> PKI: Implementing and Managing E-Security
> Fundamentals of Database Systems
> Foundations of Algorithms
> Data Structures, Algorithms, and Software Principles in C
> Sequential and Parallel Algorithms
> Advanced Programming in the UNIX Environment
> Understanding Data Communications and Networks
> HTTP Essentials
> Linux Programming
> SSL and TLS
> Web Protocols and Practice
> C++ Primer
> PHP Developer's Cookbook
> Secure Programming Cookbook for C and C++
> Learning Python
> Programming Python
> Online Investing Hacks
> Ruby in a Nutshell
> 
> I also have a few extra copies of HTTP Developer's Handbook and Zend PHP 
> Certification Study Guide that I might bring to the meeting to give away.
> 
> If you want one of the above books and can't pick it up, I might be 
> convinced to carry one or two to the meeting in exchange for free beer.
> 
> Chris
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From pl at eskimo.net  Tue May 24 16:18:44 2005
From: pl at eskimo.net (Peter Lehrer)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 16:18:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Free Books
In-Reply-To: <4292A2F7.9000707@php.net>
References: <4292A2F7.9000707@php.net>
Message-ID: <1130.4.250.171.23.1116965924.squirrel@4.250.171.23>

I would like the Learning Python if still available, HTTP essentials and
PHP Cookbook if still available.

Peter

> I'm moving to a new apartment this weekend, and as always, this involves
> getting rid of anything I haven't used in the past year. I have quite a
> few books currently scheduled to be tossed out. Let me know if you're
> interested in any of these. They're free (of course), but I would prefer
> that you pick them up (I live on W 34th St) sometime between now and the
> end of the week. Some of these are brand new (given to me within the
> last year and never opened), and several are hard to part with.
>
> Maximum Linux Security
> PKI: Implementing and Managing E-Security
> Fundamentals of Database Systems
> Foundations of Algorithms
> Data Structures, Algorithms, and Software Principles in C
> Sequential and Parallel Algorithms
> Advanced Programming in the UNIX Environment
> Understanding Data Communications and Networks
> HTTP Essentials
> Linux Programming
> SSL and TLS
> Web Protocols and Practice
> C++ Primer
> PHP Developer's Cookbook
> Secure Programming Cookbook for C and C++
> Learning Python
> Programming Python
> Online Investing Hacks
> Ruby in a Nutshell
>
> I also have a few extra copies of HTTP Developer's Handbook and Zend PHP
> Certification Study Guide that I might bring to the meeting to give away.
>
> If you want one of the above books and can't pick it up, I might be
> convinced to carry one or two to the meeting in exchange for free beer.
>
> Chris
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk Mailing List
> AMP Technology
> Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org
>



From shiflett at php.net  Tue May 24 17:45:08 2005
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 17:45:08 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Free Books
In-Reply-To: <4292A2F7.9000707@php.net>
References: <4292A2F7.9000707@php.net>
Message-ID: <4293A064.9020309@php.net>

I unfortunately won't be able to make the meeting tonight, but I'll 
contact each person who emailed me about the books to try to schedule 
another time to meet. This means I also have 3-4 copies of HTTP 
Developer's Handbook and Zend PHP Certification Study Guide, since I 
planned on bringing those to the meeting.

Chris

-- 
Chris Shiflett
Brain Bulb, The PHP Consultancy
http://brainbulb.com/


From pl at eskimo.net  Tue May 24 22:55:36 2005
From: pl at eskimo.net (Peter Lehrer)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 22:55:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Free Books
In-Reply-To: <4293A064.9020309@php.net>
References: <4292A2F7.9000707@php.net> <4293A064.9020309@php.net>
Message-ID: <1130.64.24.25.27.1116989736.squirrel@64.24.25.27>

Hi Chris,

I would be interested in both books.

Peter

> I unfortunately won't be able to make the meeting tonight, but I'll
> contact each person who emailed me about the books to try to schedule
> another time to meet. This means I also have 3-4 copies of HTTP
> Developer's Handbook and Zend PHP Certification Study Guide, since I
> planned on bringing those to the meeting.
>
> Chris
>
> --
> Chris Shiflett
> Brain Bulb, The PHP Consultancy
> http://brainbulb.com/
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk Mailing List
> AMP Technology
> Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org
>



From dmintz at davidmintz.org  Tue May 24 23:26:35 2005
From: dmintz at davidmintz.org (David Mintz)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 23:26:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Free Books
In-Reply-To: <1130.64.24.25.27.1116989736.squirrel@64.24.25.27>
References: <4292A2F7.9000707@php.net> <4293A064.9020309@php.net>
	<1130.64.24.25.27.1116989736.squirrel@64.24.25.27>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0505242324290.47605@emra.pair.com>


Look, let's make this simple. Just drop all the books off at my place.
177 Coles St in Jersey City.

---
David Mintz
http://davidmintz.org/


From jayeshsh at ceruleansky.com  Wed May 25 00:27:34 2005
From: jayeshsh at ceruleansky.com (Jayesh Sheth)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 00:27:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] presentation download links
Message-ID: <55749.69.86.84.233.1116995254.squirrel@webmail.ceruleansky.com>

Hello all,

Thanks for coming to and participating in the presentation I gave this
evening. I enjoyed giving it and talking to all of you very much.

Some of you asked for presentation download links.

It is available in a lot of formats, including HTML, OO 2, OO 1, PDF and
Flash.

There is also a links and resources page containing links from each slide:
http://www.moztips.com/presentations/nyphp2/links.html

You can find various versions of the presentation available for download
here:
http://www.moztips.com/presentations/nyphp2/

Best regards,

- Jay Sheth



From steve.rieger at tbwachiat.com  Wed May 25 13:13:27 2005
From: steve.rieger at tbwachiat.com (Steve Rieger)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 13:13:27 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] oracle client on freebsd
Message-ID: <bc46639ad685fe883c5b268c98197158@tbwachiat.com>

hi all have a question

installed the following
/usr/ports/databases/oracle7-client
/usr/ports/databases/php4-oracle


the following is in my extension list
extension=oracle.so

yet when i try the oracle client connection i get
[Wed May 25 10:56:12 2005] [error] PHP Fatal error:  Call to undefined 
function:  ociexecute() in 
/usr/local/www/data-dist/phpSysInfo/oratest.php on line 3

in the logs


any ideas as to why it aint workin



thanx



--
Steve Rieger
(212) 804-1131   (Work)
(646) 335-8915   (Cell)
chozrim           (aim)



From scott at crisscott.com  Wed May 25 13:19:25 2005
From: scott at crisscott.com (Scott Mattocks)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 13:19:25 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] oracle client on freebsd
In-Reply-To: <bc46639ad685fe883c5b268c98197158@tbwachiat.com>
References: <bc46639ad685fe883c5b268c98197158@tbwachiat.com>
Message-ID: <4294B39D.2070002@crisscott.com>

Steve Rieger wrote:

> yet when i try the oracle client connection i get
> [Wed May 25 10:56:12 2005] [error] PHP Fatal error:  Call to undefined 
> function:  ociexecute() in 
> /usr/local/www/data-dist/phpSysInfo/oratest.php on line 3
> 
> any ideas as to why it aint workin

Sorry for the silly question but you did restart Apache right?

-- 
Scott Mattocks
scott at crisscott.com
http://www.crisscott.com


From steve.rieger at tbwachiat.com  Wed May 25 13:26:05 2005
From: steve.rieger at tbwachiat.com (Steve Rieger)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 13:26:05 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] oracle client on freebsd
In-Reply-To: <4294B39D.2070002@crisscott.com>
References: <bc46639ad685fe883c5b268c98197158@tbwachiat.com>
	<4294B39D.2070002@crisscott.com>
Message-ID: <46549a6a3132643dc9507a52063e69cd@tbwachiat.com>


On May 25, 2005, at 1:19 PM, Scott Mattocks wrote:

> Steve Rieger wrote:
>
>> yet when i try the oracle client connection i get
>> [Wed May 25 10:56:12 2005] [error] PHP Fatal error:  Call to 
>> undefined function:  ociexecute() in 
>> /usr/local/www/data-dist/phpSysInfo/oratest.php on line 3
>> any ideas as to why it aint workin
>
> Sorry for the silly question but you did restart Apache right?
>
> -- 
> Scott Mattocks
> scott at crisscott.com
> http://www.crisscott.com
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>


yup

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(212) 804-1131   (Work)
(646) 335-8915   (Cell)
chozrim           (aim)



From eric at persson.tm  Wed May 25 14:02:24 2005
From: eric at persson.tm (Eric Persson)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 20:02:24 +0200
Subject: [nycphp-talk] php and xul
Message-ID: <4294BDB0.5030005@persson.tm>

Hi,

I listened on a quick presentation of what could be done with php and 
xul to create richer client side applications. However, havent heard 
much since then, so, is there any project or community working with 
these things available out there? Does anyone know? :)

Best regards,
	Eric


From aaron at aarond.com  Wed May 25 15:00:58 2005
From: aaron at aarond.com (aaron)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 15:00:58 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] josso
In-Reply-To: <4294BDB0.5030005@persson.tm>
References: <4294BDB0.5030005@persson.tm>
Message-ID: <4294CB6A.3030507@aarond.com>

Anyone ever used JOSSO for application login administration?

http://www.josso.org/index.html

Comments on it?


From michael.southwell at nyphp.org  Wed May 25 16:23:57 2005
From: michael.southwell at nyphp.org (Michael Southwell)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 16:23:57 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] $$ question
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050525162303.020e8e20@mail.optonline.net>

I have a question about interpreting $$variable.

I have this:
$concerts2006 = array(
array("January 28","Cypress Club - West Palm Beach, FL"),
);

and then I have this:
function showSchedule( $year ) {
....
$list = 'concerts' . $year; // this gets 'concerts2006' ok when called with 
2006
$num = count( {$$list} ); // but this does not get count( $concerts2006 )
....
<?php echo $$list[$i][0]; ?></td> // so of course this doesn't work

So the problem is at $$list.  It doesn't seem to matter whether I have
{$$list} or just $$list.

I also seem to remember from somewhere that the $$list[][] never works but
I couldn't find it in the docs.

Help??  Thanks.


Michael Southwell, Vice President for Education
New York PHP
http://nyphp.org/twoday - In-depth PHP Training Courses



From andrew at digitalpulp.com  Wed May 25 16:35:25 2005
From: andrew at digitalpulp.com (Andrew Yochum)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 16:35:25 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] $$ question
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050525162303.020e8e20@mail.optonline.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.2.20050525162303.020e8e20@mail.optonline.net>
Message-ID: <20050525203525.GQ21534@zoidberg.digitalpulp.com>

On Wed, May 25, 2005 at 04:23:57PM -0400, Michael Southwell wrote:
> I have a question about interpreting $$variable.
> 
> I have this:
> $concerts2006 = array(
> array("January 28","Cypress Club - West Palm Beach, FL"),
> );
> 
> and then I have this:
> function showSchedule( $year ) {
> ....
> $list = 'concerts' . $year; // this gets 'concerts2006' ok when called with 
> 2006
> $num = count( {$$list} ); // but this does not get count( $concerts2006 )
> ....
> <?php echo $$list[$i][0]; ?></td> // so of course this doesn't work
> 
> So the problem is at $$list.  It doesn't seem to matter whether I have
> {$$list} or just $$list.
> 
> I also seem to remember from somewhere that the $$list[][] never works but
> I couldn't find it in the docs.
> 
> Help??  Thanks.

How about:

	$list = 'concerts' . $year;
	$listref = &$$list;
	$num = count( $listref );
	<?php echo $listref[$i][0]; ?></td>
	...

HTH,
Andrew


From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Wed May 25 16:37:51 2005
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 16:37:51 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] $$ question
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050525162303.020e8e20@mail.optonline.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.2.20050525162303.020e8e20@mail.optonline.net>
Message-ID: <20050525203751.GA1086@panix.com>

Michael:

echo count(${$list});
echo ${$list}[0][0];

--Dan

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From tom at supertom.com  Wed May 25 16:38:43 2005
From: tom at supertom.com (Tom Melendez)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 16:38:43 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] $$ question
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050525162303.020e8e20@mail.optonline.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.2.20050525162303.020e8e20@mail.optonline.net>
Message-ID: <4294E253.2070206@supertom.com>

That $concerts2006 array is available in the function I presume, right? 
If it isn't, you won't get the value of it because it is not local. Just 
checking.

Other than that, I'm not sure. I've used the same, and it has worked for 
me in the past.

Thanks,

Tom
http://www.liphp.org


Michael Southwell wrote:

> I have a question about interpreting $$variable.
>
> I have this:
> $concerts2006 = array(
> array("January 28","Cypress Club - West Palm Beach, FL"),
> );
>
> and then I have this:
> function showSchedule( $year ) {
> ....
> $list = 'concerts' . $year; // this gets 'concerts2006' ok when called 
> with 2006
> $num = count( {$$list} ); // but this does not get count( $concerts2006 )
> ....
> <?php echo $$list[$i][0]; ?></td> // so of course this doesn't work
>
> So the problem is at $$list. It doesn't seem to matter whether I have
> {$$list} or just $$list.
>
> I also seem to remember from somewhere that the $$list[][] never works 
> but
> I couldn't find it in the docs.
>
> Help?? Thanks.
>
>
> Michael Southwell, Vice President for Education
> New York PHP
> http://nyphp.org/twoday - In-depth PHP Training Courses
>
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk Mailing List
> AMP Technology
> Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org
>



From nasir81 at gmail.com  Wed May 25 16:44:15 2005
From: nasir81 at gmail.com (Nasir Zubair)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 16:44:15 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] $$ question
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050525162303.020e8e20@mail.optonline.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.2.20050525162303.020e8e20@mail.optonline.net>
Message-ID: <40fcda7305052513442ac2c058@mail.gmail.com>

Well, according to php manual, the braces are used in the following fashions:

$$var
${$var}

I can't find {$$var} syntax, neither does it work. it throws a syntax error.

>From that, the following code works for me on an php 4.3.11 machine:

$num = count( ${$list} );
echo ${$list}[0][0];

Hope that helps.

On 5/25/05, Michael Southwell <michael.southwell at nyphp.org> wrote:
> I have a question about interpreting $$variable.
> 
> I have this:
> $concerts2006 = array(
> array("January 28","Cypress Club - West Palm Beach, FL"),
> );
> 
> and then I have this:
> function showSchedule( $year ) {
> ....
> $list = 'concerts' . $year; // this gets 'concerts2006' ok when called with
> 2006
> $num = count( {$$list} ); // but this does not get count( $concerts2006 )
> ....
> <?php echo $$list[$i][0]; ?></td> // so of course this doesn't work
> 
> So the problem is at $$list.  It doesn't seem to matter whether I have
> {$$list} or just $$list.
> 
> I also seem to remember from somewhere that the $$list[][] never works but
> I couldn't find it in the docs.
> 
> Help??  Thanks.
> 
> 
> Michael Southwell, Vice President for Education
> New York PHP
> http://nyphp.org/twoday - In-depth PHP Training Courses
> 
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk Mailing List
> AMP Technology
> Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org
> 


-- 
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http://www.nasir.us/


From michael.southwell at nyphp.org  Wed May 25 16:53:10 2005
From: michael.southwell at nyphp.org (Michael Southwell)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 16:53:10 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] $$ question
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050525162303.020e8e20@mail.optonline.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.2.20050525162303.020e8e20@mail.optonline.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050525165148.020e30a8@mail.optonline.net>

At 04:23 PM 5/25/2005, you wrote:
aargh!! scope!

>function showSchedule( $year ) {
>....
>$list = 'concerts' . $year; // this gets 'concerts2006' ok when called 
>with 2006

global $$list // fixes it
sorry for the dumb question.

Michael Southwell, Vice President for Education
New York PHP
http://nyphp.org/twoday - In-depth PHP Training Courses



From andrew at plexpod.com  Wed May 25 17:00:53 2005
From: andrew at plexpod.com (Andrew Yochum)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 17:00:53 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] $$ question
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050525165148.020e30a8@mail.optonline.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.2.20050525162303.020e8e20@mail.optonline.net>
	<6.1.2.0.2.20050525165148.020e30a8@mail.optonline.net>
Message-ID: <20050525210051.GO19317@zoidberg.digitalpulp.com>

On Wed, May 25, 2005 at 04:53:10PM -0400, Michael Southwell wrote:
> At 04:23 PM 5/25/2005, you wrote:
> aargh!! scope!

Eh... scope is over-rated anyway.  Here's an easy fix:

function somefunction() {
	for ($key in array_keys($GLOBALS)) global $$key;
	...
}

;-)

Andrew

-- 
Andrew Yochum
Plexpod
andrew at plexpod.com
718-360-0879


From ps at pswebcode.com  Wed May 25 21:22:54 2005
From: ps at pswebcode.com (Peter Sawczynec)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 21:22:54 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] $$ question
In-Reply-To: <20050525210051.GO19317@zoidberg.digitalpulp.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c56191$746a1a70$6400a8c0@yourx1adg12jme>

Man, I gotta party after that round. But seriously I think variable
variables belongs "forever in the dog pound". So streamlined and clean --
like looking at a Bang & Olufsen. Why have five moving parts when you only
need two or none. 

   

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On
Behalf Of Andrew Yochum
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 5:01 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] $$ question


On Wed, May 25, 2005 at 04:53:10PM -0400, Michael Southwell wrote:
> At 04:23 PM 5/25/2005, you wrote:
> aargh!! scope!

Eh... scope is over-rated anyway.  Here's an easy fix:

function somefunction() {
	for ($key in array_keys($GLOBALS)) global $$key;
	...
}

;-)

Andrew

-- 
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Plexpod
andrew at plexpod.com
718-360-0879
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From lists at zaunere.com  Wed May 25 22:17:17 2005
From: lists at zaunere.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 22:17:17 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] $$ question
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050525162303.020e8e20@mail.optonline.net>
Message-ID: <20050526021112.5D05999D8@mailrelay.t-mobile.com>


> I have a question about interpreting $$variable.
> 
> I have this:
> $concerts2006 = array(
> array("January 28","Cypress Club - West Palm Beach, FL"),
> );
> 
> and then I have this:
> function showSchedule( $year ) {
> ....
> $list = 'concerts' . $year; // this gets 'concerts2006' ok when called with
> 2006
> $num = count( {$$list} ); // but this does not get count( $concerts2006 )
> ....
> <?php echo $$list[$i][0]; ?></td> // so of course this doesn't work
> 
> So the problem is at $$list.  It doesn't seem to matter whether I have
> {$$list} or just $$list.
> 
> I also seem to remember from somewhere that the $$list[][] never works but
> I couldn't find it in the docs.
> 
> Help??  Thanks.

$concerts2006 = array(array("January 28","Cypress Club - West Side!"));

function showSchedule( $year ) {

   $list = 'concerts'.$year;

   $num = count($GLOBALS[$list]);

   echo $num;
}

Ehh, right?





From andrew at plexpod.com  Wed May 25 22:51:12 2005
From: andrew at plexpod.com (Andrew Yochum)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 22:51:12 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] $$ question
In-Reply-To: <000b01c56191$746a1a70$6400a8c0@yourx1adg12jme>
References: <000b01c56191$746a1a70$6400a8c0@yourx1adg12jme>
Message-ID: <5F2AFCBA-80F2-4872-A27B-4C7B67418C6D@plexpod.com>


On May 25, 2005, at 9:22 PM, Peter Sawczynec wrote:

> Man, I gotta party after that round. But seriously I think variable
> variables belongs "forever in the dog pound". So streamlined and  
> clean --
> like looking at a Bang & Olufsen. Why have five moving parts when  
> you only
> need two or none.

I agree.  There is a time and place for variable variables and they  
are few and far between.  One appropriate scenario is when using the  
reflection APIs, for instance.  With what info we had about the  
scenario originally in question, I don't feel that is a case where I  
think they are appropriate.

As an alternative solution, personally I'd would have reworked it to  
use a 3 dimensional array, even if the first dimension was small.
     $concerts[$year][$i][$field]
No need for variable variables.  Either way its a hash lookup -  
either in the symbol table or the associative array.  I'm sure  
someone out there may know if there is a difference between those in  
PHP - I don't off the top of my head.  Regardless of what the  
difference might be, I think the array is a better solution overall  
for clean code with the least exposures.

Andrew
--
Andrew Yochum
Plexpod
andrew at plexpod.com
718-360-0879



From michael.southwell at nyphp.org  Wed May 25 23:49:51 2005
From: michael.southwell at nyphp.org (Michael Southwell)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 23:49:51 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] $$ question
In-Reply-To: <5F2AFCBA-80F2-4872-A27B-4C7B67418C6D@plexpod.com>
References: <000b01c56191$746a1a70$6400a8c0@yourx1adg12jme>
	<5F2AFCBA-80F2-4872-A27B-4C7B67418C6D@plexpod.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050525233322.020e13e0@mail.optonline.net>

At 10:51 PM 5/25/2005, you wrote:

>I agree.  There is a time and place for variable variables and they
>are few and far between.  One appropriate scenario is when using the
>reflection APIs, for instance.  With what info we had about the
>scenario originally in question, I don't feel that is a case where I
>think they are appropriate.

At the risk of looking dumb again, let me revisit this, to explain why I 
was doing it this way, in the interest of exposing some of the smart 
thinking to be found on this list and learning something (and with a 
possible phundamental in mind as well ;-).

I have an array of 2005 concert dates;  I want to display them in a table 
with a heading and date and venue columns.  I have another array of 2006 
concert dates; I want to do the same in a different table.  I wrote a 
function to pull in information for the appropriate year and display 
it.  Then I call the function for 2005 and again for 2006.  This gives me 
no redundant display coding.  Next year I will simply insert the info into 
the appropriate 2007 array, and call the function with that year.

You can see this at work at http://lauratheodore.com/schedule.php.

Relevant code is here:
=============
$concerts2006 = array(
array("January 28","Cypress Club - West Palm Beach, FL"),
// etc.
);

function showSchedule( $year ) {
   ?>
   <h2>Tour Schedule, <?= $year ?></h2>
   <table summary="a list of dates on Laura&#8217;s tour schedule for <?= 
$year ?>">

   <tr>
   <th scope="col">Date</th>
   <th scope="col">Venue</th>
   </tr>

   <?php
   $list = 'concerts' . $year;
   global $$list;
   $num = count( $$list );
   for ($i = 0; $i < $num; $i++){
     ?>
     <tr>
     <td class="left">
     <?php echo ${$list}[$i][0]; ?></td>
     <td class="right">
     <?php echo ${$list}[$i][1]; ?></td>
     </tr>
     <?php
   }
   ?>

   </table>
   <?php
}

showSchedule( '2006' );
=================


>As an alternative solution, personally I'd would have reworked it to
>use a 3 dimensional array, even if the first dimension was small.
>     $concerts[$year][$i][$field]

The best I can figure out, this does not permit the (easy) creation of two 
distinct tables.

But from the educational point of view, above is the task I had and the 
solution I found.  How can it be done better?


Michael Southwell, Vice President for Education
New York PHP
http://nyphp.org/twoday - In-depth PHP Training Courses



From rolan at omnistep.com  Thu May 26 01:56:33 2005
From: rolan at omnistep.com (Rolan Yang)
Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 01:56:33 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] $$ question
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050525233322.020e13e0@mail.optonline.net>
References: <000b01c56191$746a1a70$6400a8c0@yourx1adg12jme>	<5F2AFCBA-80F2-4872-A27B-4C7B67418C6D@plexpod.com>
	<6.1.2.0.2.20050525233322.020e13e0@mail.optonline.net>
Message-ID: <42956511.7030306@omnistep.com>

I'd have to agre with Andrew's solution mentioned above.
Looks like your simple script could even do without a function block.
Here's a more concise way of doing it:


=============
$concerts[2005] = array(
array("January 28","Cypress Club - West Palm Beach, FL"),
// etc.
);
$concerts[2006] = array(
array("January 28","Cypress Club - West Palm Beach, FL"),
// etc.
);
 
while (list($year,$data)=each($concerts)) { ?>
<h2>Tour Schedule, <?=$year?></h2>
<table summary="a list of dates on Laura&#8217;s tour schedule for 
<?=$year?>">
<tr><th scope="col">Date</th> <th scope="col">Venue</th></tr>
<?     while(list($trash,$event)=each($data)) {
                ?><tr><td class="left"><?=$event[0]?></td><td 
class="right"><?=$event[1]?></td></tr>
<?     }
?></table>
<?
}
?>


~Rolan


From dmintz at davidmintz.org  Thu May 26 09:21:55 2005
From: dmintz at davidmintz.org (David Mintz)
Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 09:21:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] $$ question
In-Reply-To: <42956511.7030306@omnistep.com>
References: <000b01c56191$746a1a70$6400a8c0@yourx1adg12jme>
	<5F2AFCBA-80F2-4872-A27B-4C7B67418C6D@plexpod.com>
	<6.1.2.0.2.20050525233322.020e13e0@mail.optonline.net>
	<42956511.7030306@omnistep.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0505260920050.88336@emra.pair.com>

On Thu, 26 May 2005, Rolan Yang wrote:

> I'd have to agre with Andrew's solution mentioned above.
> Looks like your simple script could even do without a function block.
> Here's a more concise way of doing it:
<snip snip snip />
> <?     while(list($trash,$event)=each($data)) {

or for even less typing:

	while(list(,$event) = each($data)) {

N'est-ce pas?

---
David Mintz
http://davidmintz.org/


From dcech at phpwerx.net  Thu May 26 09:25:01 2005
From: dcech at phpwerx.net (Dan Cech)
Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 09:25:01 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] $$ question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0505260920050.88336@emra.pair.com>
References: <000b01c56191$746a1a70$6400a8c0@yourx1adg12jme>	<5F2AFCBA-80F2-4872-A27B-4C7B67418C6D@plexpod.com>	<6.1.2.0.2.20050525233322.020e13e0@mail.optonline.net>	<42956511.7030306@omnistep.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0505260920050.88336@emra.pair.com>
Message-ID: <4295CE2D.80006@phpwerx.net>

David Mintz wrote:
> On Thu, 26 May 2005, Rolan Yang wrote:
>>I'd have to agre with Andrew's solution mentioned above.
>>Looks like your simple script could even do without a function block.
>>Here's a more concise way of doing it:
> 
> <snip snip snip />
> 
>><?     while(list($trash,$event)=each($data)) {
> 
> 
> or for even less typing:
> 
> 	while(list(,$event) = each($data)) {
> 

or even
         foreach ($data as $event) {

... which has the advantage of running faster too


Dan


From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Thu May 26 10:14:28 2005
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 10:14:28 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] $$ question
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050525233322.020e13e0@mail.optonline.net>
References: <000b01c56191$746a1a70$6400a8c0@yourx1adg12jme>
	<5F2AFCBA-80F2-4872-A27B-4C7B67418C6D@plexpod.com>
	<6.1.2.0.2.20050525233322.020e13e0@mail.optonline.net>
Message-ID: <20050526141428.GC20871@panix.com>

On Wed, May 25, 2005 at 11:49:51PM -0400, Michael Southwell wrote:

> The best I can figure out, this does not permit the (easy) creation of two 
> distinct tables.

Sure it does.  

$concerts = array(
    '2005' => array(
        '2005-04-05' => 'a lovely evening',
        '2005-06-10' => 'spring is grand',
    ),
    '2006' => array(
        '2006-01-05' => 'join us in Hawaii',
        '2006-07-05' => 'music in the fall',
    ),
);

$year = '2006';
foreach ($concerts[$year] as $date => $text) {
    echo "On $date see '$text'\n";
}

--Dan

-- 
 T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
            data intensive web and database programming
                http://www.AnalysisAndSolutions.com/
 4015 7th Ave #4, Brooklyn NY 11232  v: 718-854-0335 f: 718-854-0409


From rolan at omnistep.com  Thu May 26 10:29:06 2005
From: rolan at omnistep.com (Rolan Yang)
Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 10:29:06 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] $$ question
In-Reply-To: <4295CE2D.80006@phpwerx.net>
References: <000b01c56191$746a1a70$6400a8c0@yourx1adg12jme>	<5F2AFCBA-80F2-4872-A27B-4C7B67418C6D@plexpod.com>	<6.1.2.0.2.20050525233322.020e13e0@mail.optonline.net>	<42956511.7030306@omnistep.com>	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0505260920050.88336@emra.pair.com>
	<4295CE2D.80006@phpwerx.net>
Message-ID: <4295DD32.20209@omnistep.com>

Dan Cech wrote:

> David Mintz wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 26 May 2005, Rolan Yang wrote:
>>
>>> I'd have to agre with Andrew's solution mentioned above.
>>> Looks like your simple script could even do without a function block.
>>> Here's a more concise way of doing it:
>>
>>
>> <snip snip snip />
>>
>>> <?     while(list($trash,$event)=each($data)) {
>>
>>
>>
>> or for even less typing:
>>
>>     while(list(,$event) = each($data)) {
>>
>
> or even
>         foreach ($data as $event) {
>
> ... which has the advantage of running faster too
>
There is so much valuable knowledge (and entertainment) to be gained by 
watching a mob of developers optimize code. If this were all compiled 
into a book or wiki, I would read it all day long.

~Rolan



From hans at cyberxdesigns.com  Thu May 26 10:30:21 2005
From: hans at cyberxdesigns.com (Hans C. Kaspersetz)
Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 10:30:21 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] SMS Messaging.
Message-ID: <4295DD7D.9070309@cyberxdesigns.com>

Good morning,

I am about to embark on a project with a client that needs to send SMS 
messages to their customers.  I am wondering if anyone on the list has 
had luck partnering directly with he cell phone providers and by passing 
the services like http://www.simplewire.com.  If anyone has any 
recommendations for resources or materials please speak up. 

Hans

-- 
Hans C. Kaspersetz
Cyber X Designs

http://www.cyberxdesigns.com



From 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com  Thu May 26 10:41:40 2005
From: 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com (inforequest)
Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 10:41:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] $$ question
Message-ID: <25386-38589@sneakemail.com>




>
> ... which has the advantage of running faster too
>
There is so much valuable knowledge (and entertainment) to be gained by 
watching a mob of developers optimize code. If this were all compiled 
into a book or wiki, I would read it all day long.

~Rolan


Exactly. That was the real value I saw in a NYPHP code archive, which would allow commenting by the comunity but be moderated by the organizers (and classified for the didactic value of each discussion). 

It is a knowledge base. Most of those end up accommodating the least common demoninator; the code gets dummed down to the level of greatest consumption. At NYPHP, it is obvious that virtually any code segment that is interesting to these senior guys could generate this kind of discussion -- valuable to those who can follow it, and therefore very valuable IMHO as a high-level PHP resource.

-=jon


From dmintz at davidmintz.org  Thu May 26 11:42:23 2005
From: dmintz at davidmintz.org (David Mintz)
Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 11:42:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] $$ question
In-Reply-To: <4295DD32.20209@omnistep.com>
References: <000b01c56191$746a1a70$6400a8c0@yourx1adg12jme>
	<5F2AFCBA-80F2-4872-A27B-4C7B67418C6D@plexpod.com>
	<6.1.2.0.2.20050525233322.020e13e0@mail.optonline.net>
	<42956511.7030306@omnistep.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0505260920050.88336@emra.pair.com>
	<4295CE2D.80006@phpwerx.net> <4295DD32.20209@omnistep.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0505261135520.88336@emra.pair.com>


On Thu, 26 May 2005, Rolan Yang wrote:
<snip snip snip />
> >
> There is so much valuable knowledge (and entertainment) to be gained by
> watching a mob of developers optimize code. If this were all compiled
> into a book or wiki, I would read it all day long.

Instead we just check this list every $n minutes, which sometimes amounts
to all day (-:

---
David Mintz
http://davidmintz.org/


From 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com  Thu May 26 11:55:53 2005
From: 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com (inforequest)
Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 11:55:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] bluetooth headset services,
	Jabra and IBM Thinkpad T42p
Message-ID: <13427-42793@sneakemail.com>

Thanks in advance for entertaining [OT] posts like this one. I know there are alot of IBM TP users out there in PHP land.

I have a Jabra BT250 bluetooth headset and a Thinpad T42p w/Bluetooth and w/WinXP SP2. Sounds like it should work. Works fine with my cellphone.

After settng up WinXP sp2 I can get the device, driver, and connection but  there are no headset services for the Bluetooth headset on the thinkpad and/or the Jabra. No, Jabra doesn't supply them on their website from what I can determine. So bascially I get setup with a wireless bluetooth headset for my laptop softphone but no functionality. Doh!

Anybody try this? All I have found on the net are "me too"s with no authoritative answers. DOCS suggest that the services should be on the device, but with this setup there are no services listed. 

Thanks again.

-=john andrews


From dmintz at davidmintz.org  Thu May 26 11:57:51 2005
From: dmintz at davidmintz.org (David Mintz)
Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 11:57:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: proposing NYPHP Cookbook (aka Re: [nycphp-talk] $$ question)
In-Reply-To: <25386-38589@sneakemail.com>
References: <25386-38589@sneakemail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0505261143100.88336@emra.pair.com>

On Thu, 26 May 2005, inforequest wrote:

> It is a knowledge base. Most of those end up accommodating the least
> common demoninator; the code gets dummed down to the level of greatest
> consumption. At NYPHP, it is obvious that virtually any code segment
> that is interesting to these senior guys could generate this kind of
> discussion -- valuable to those who can follow it, and therefore very
> valuable IMHO as a high-level PHP resource.

which brings me to an idea that's related, if not quite the same thing as
the above. I propose: let's create an NYPHP Cookbook. There are several
fine Cookbooks that we all know and love. This one would would have many
authors; would cover Apache/MySQL/PHP, perhaps more; would not duplicate
anything already existing in the aforesaid Cookbooks.

If you wanted to make it truly unique and amusing, add a gastronomic angle
as well: every technical recipe submitted must be accompanied by an actual
food/drink recipe as well. You could make it tongue-in-cheek if you aren't
handy in the kitchen.

Finally, make this an online publication; let each recipe-submitter upload
a brief bio and optional JPEG of h(er|im)self and thus get a little
exposure. Of course, we could also consider whether it would be
cost-effective to try to print and sell it as hardcopy and raise some $$$
for nyphp.

Who's up for cookbook.nyphp.org? I'll volunteer to be part of the
editorial team.


---
David Mintz
http://davidmintz.org/


From matt at jobsforge.com  Thu May 26 12:15:11 2005
From: matt at jobsforge.com (Matthew Terenzio)
Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 12:15:11 -0400
Subject: proposing NYPHP Cookbook (aka Re: [nycphp-talk] $$ question)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0505261143100.88336@emra.pair.com>
References: <25386-38589@sneakemail.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0505261143100.88336@emra.pair.com>
Message-ID: <74cbc16d0c394307c32e641e57f50080@jobsforge.com>


On May 26, 2005, at 11:57 AM, David Mintz wrote:

> Who's up for cookbook.nyphp.org? I'll volunteer to be part of the
> editorial team.
>

I'll bite.

I wonder if we could get Rachel Ray from the food network.......

http://www.durzy.com/news/rachelray10252003.htm? 
PHPSESSID=888504395b0815aeb68456e1515baf73






From mitch.pirtle at gmail.com  Thu May 26 12:20:10 2005
From: mitch.pirtle at gmail.com (Mitch Pirtle)
Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 12:20:10 -0400
Subject: proposing NYPHP Cookbook (aka Re: [nycphp-talk] $$ question)
In-Reply-To: <74cbc16d0c394307c32e641e57f50080@jobsforge.com>
References: <25386-38589@sneakemail.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0505261143100.88336@emra.pair.com>
	<74cbc16d0c394307c32e641e57f50080@jobsforge.com>
Message-ID: <330532b605052609206055bf32@mail.gmail.com>

Maybe each article could get a rating on how spicy it is.

-- Mitch, waiting for rimshot

On 5/26/05, Matthew Terenzio <matt at jobsforge.com> wrote:
> 
> On May 26, 2005, at 11:57 AM, David Mintz wrote:
> 
> > Who's up for cookbook.nyphp.org? I'll volunteer to be part of the
> > editorial team.
> >
> 
> I'll bite.
> 
> I wonder if we could get Rachel Ray from the food network.......
> 
> http://www.durzy.com/news/rachelray10252003.htm?
> PHPSESSID=888504395b0815aeb68456e1515baf73
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From krook at us.ibm.com  Thu May 26 12:41:00 2005
From: krook at us.ibm.com (Daniel Krook)
Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 12:41:00 -0400
Subject: proposing NYPHP Cookbook (aka Re: [nycphp-talk] $$ question)
In-Reply-To: <74cbc16d0c394307c32e641e57f50080@jobsforge.com>
Message-ID: <OFB2ED4E74.6AEC3FBC-ON8525700D.005AF827-8525700D.005BA4FC@us.ibm.com>

> > Who's up for cookbook.nyphp.org? I'll volunteer to be part of the
> > editorial team.
> >
> 
> I'll bite.
> 
> I wonder if we could get Rachel Ray from the food network.......


"PHP coding on $40 a day"
"Thirty minute deadlines"

We should pitch a show to the Discovery channel on giving a development 
team 7 days to implement a content management system and e-commerce site 
with a pretty Flash interface.  :)





Daniel Krook, Advisory IT Specialist 
Application Development, Production Services - Tools, ibm.com

Personal: http://info.krook.org/
BluePages: http://bluepages.redirect.webahead.ibm.com/
BlogPages: http://blogpages.redirect.webahead.ibm.com/




From 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com  Thu May 26 12:42:57 2005
From: 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com (inforequest)
Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 12:42:57 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: proposing NYPHP Cookbook (aka Re: [nycphp-talk] $$ question)
Message-ID: <2016-65486@sneakemail.com>



-----Original Message-----
From: 
	"Daniel Krook krook-at-us.ibm.com |nyphp dev/internal group use|" <...>

"PHP coding on $40 a day"
-------------------------------



Sounds like a rentacoder advertisement!



From codebowl at gmail.com  Thu May 26 14:37:55 2005
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 14:37:55 -0400
Subject: proposing NYPHP Cookbook (aka Re: [nycphp-talk] $$ question)
In-Reply-To: <2016-65486@sneakemail.com>
References: <2016-65486@sneakemail.com>
Message-ID: <8d9a428005052611371806305b@mail.gmail.com>

i would like to see this would probably participate ;)

On 5/26/05, inforequest <1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com> wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> "Daniel Krook krook-at-us.ibm.com <http://krook-at-us.ibm.com> |nyphp 
> dev/internal group use|" <...>
> 
> "PHP coding on $40 a day"
> -------------------------------
> 
> 
> 
> Sounds like a rentacoder advertisement!
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> AMP Technology
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> 



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From: rolan at omnistep.com (Rolan Yang)
Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 16:22:15 -0400
Subject: proposing NYPHP Cookbook (aka Re: [nycphp-talk] $$ question)
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David Mintz wrote:

>On Thu, 26 May 2005, inforequest wrote
>  
>
>which brings me to an idea that's related, if not quite the same thing as
>the above. I propose: let's create an NYPHP Cookbook. There are several
>fine Cookbooks that we all know and love. 
>  
>
>Finally, make this an online publication; let each recipe-submitter upload
>a brief bio and optional JPEG of h(er|im)self and thus get a little
>exposure. Of course, we could also consider whether it would be
>cost-effective to try to print and sell it as hardcopy and raise some $$$
>for nyphp.
>
>Who's up for cookbook.nyphp.org? I'll volunteer to be part of the
>editorial team.
>  
>
Hrm.. If you added a centerfold spread it would have everything.


From dmintz at davidmintz.org  Thu May 26 17:42:05 2005
From: dmintz at davidmintz.org (David Mintz)
Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 17:42:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Re: proposing NYPHP Cookbook
In-Reply-To: <8d9a428005052611371806305b@mail.gmail.com>
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I'm aware that the NYPHP charter contemplates "New Project Proposal
Submission" and what not, and it isn't totally clear to me whether this
idea would constitute a Project, or whether anybody can formally propose
one. But I'm not kidding, I think it's a cool idea and thought I'd throw
it out there informally to see what people think.

---
David Mintz
http://davidmintz.org/


From hans at cyberxdesigns.com  Thu May 26 17:46:41 2005
From: hans at cyberxdesigns.com (Hans C. Kaspersetz)
Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 17:46:41 -0400
Subject: proposing NYPHP Cookbook (aka Re: [nycphp-talk] $$ question)
In-Reply-To: <42962FF7.4060803@omnistep.com>
References: <25386-38589@sneakemail.com>	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0505261143100.88336@emra.pair.com>
	<42962FF7.4060803@omnistep.com>
Message-ID: <429643C1.9010106@cyberxdesigns.com>

Rolan Yang wrote:

> David Mintz wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 26 May 2005, inforequest wrote
>>  
>>
>> which brings me to an idea that's related, if not quite the same 
>> thing as
>> the above. I propose: let's create an NYPHP Cookbook. There are several
>> fine Cookbooks that we all know and love.  
>>
>> Finally, make this an online publication; let each recipe-submitter 
>> upload
>> a brief bio and optional JPEG of h(er|im)self and thus get a little
>> exposure. Of course, we could also consider whether it would be
>> cost-effective to try to print and sell it as hardcopy and raise some 
>> $$$
>> for nyphp.
>>
>> Who's up for cookbook.nyphp.org? I'll volunteer to be part of the
>> editorial team.
>>  
>>
Didn't we recently start a project similar to this?  I think it was the
code archive project?  I think that project is living in suspended
animation.  Not to poo-poo on the parade but I think we should pick up
the code archive project and add a couple of fields that cover the
submitter and beta it.  I know there was a lot of talk about the code
archive project, I think there were a couple of meetings and even some
documents written.  Who knows the current status of the code archive
project?  Are any of you ready to take up the gauntlet and work with the
core NYPHP people to get this thing done?  I imagine that we could spin
the basic set of scripts fairly quickly so that we could start taking
submissions and compiling a database of NYPHP Tasty Morsels.

I would like to see community involvement on this project.  I know for a
fact that the core NYPHP people are currently working on a new frame
work for the entire NYPHP web site, so if any of you out there would
like to join us and help us finish the code archive project and make a
new home for the tasty bits of code we all love to read about, contact me.

If the scripts are kept fairly straight forward and we attempt to solve
just this problem, I think we have a chance of making the project work.
This is a great opportunity to get involved, if you are not an uber
coder or you have some fear about getting involved, just come and give
it a shot.  You will learn a bunch, get to know some really cool people
and end up with a dog, a beautiful spouse and a white picket fence.
Plus, we could use the help.  Anyone interested please contact me.
Also, anyone with information about the whereabouts of the code archive,
please email me.

Hans K

-- 
Hans C. Kaspersetz
Co-founder
Cyber X Designs
hans at cyberxdesigns.com
http://www.cyberxdesigns.com

Operations Guy and Presentations Lacky
New York PHP




From gatzby3jr at gmail.com  Thu May 26 22:32:32 2005
From: gatzby3jr at gmail.com (Brian O'Connor)
Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 22:32:32 -0400
Subject: proposing NYPHP Cookbook (aka Re: [nycphp-talk] $$ question)
In-Reply-To: <429643C1.9010106@cyberxdesigns.com>
References: <25386-38589@sneakemail.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0505261143100.88336@emra.pair.com>
	<42962FF7.4060803@omnistep.com> <429643C1.9010106@cyberxdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <29da5d1505052619323327c56b@mail.gmail.com>

I am almost certain that nothing I've written would be unique /
valuble enough to be in a "nyphp Cookbook", but I know personally I'd
find one extremely useful for my own purposes.

On 5/26/05, Hans C. Kaspersetz <hans at cyberxdesigns.com> wrote:
> Rolan Yang wrote:
> 
> > David Mintz wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 26 May 2005, inforequest wrote
> >>
> >>
> >> which brings me to an idea that's related, if not quite the same
> >> thing as
> >> the above. I propose: let's create an NYPHP Cookbook. There are several
> >> fine Cookbooks that we all know and love.
> >>
> >> Finally, make this an online publication; let each recipe-submitter
> >> upload
> >> a brief bio and optional JPEG of h(er|im)self and thus get a little
> >> exposure. Of course, we could also consider whether it would be
> >> cost-effective to try to print and sell it as hardcopy and raise some
> >> $$$
> >> for nyphp.
> >>
> >> Who's up for cookbook.nyphp.org? I'll volunteer to be part of the
> >> editorial team.
> >>
> >>
> Didn't we recently start a project similar to this?  I think it was the
> code archive project?  I think that project is living in suspended
> animation.  Not to poo-poo on the parade but I think we should pick up
> the code archive project and add a couple of fields that cover the
> submitter and beta it.  I know there was a lot of talk about the code
> archive project, I think there were a couple of meetings and even some
> documents written.  Who knows the current status of the code archive
> project?  Are any of you ready to take up the gauntlet and work with the
> core NYPHP people to get this thing done?  I imagine that we could spin
> the basic set of scripts fairly quickly so that we could start taking
> submissions and compiling a database of NYPHP Tasty Morsels.
> 
> I would like to see community involvement on this project.  I know for a
> fact that the core NYPHP people are currently working on a new frame
> work for the entire NYPHP web site, so if any of you out there would
> like to join us and help us finish the code archive project and make a
> new home for the tasty bits of code we all love to read about, contact me.
> 
> If the scripts are kept fairly straight forward and we attempt to solve
> just this problem, I think we have a chance of making the project work.
> This is a great opportunity to get involved, if you are not an uber
> coder or you have some fear about getting involved, just come and give
> it a shot.  You will learn a bunch, get to know some really cool people
> and end up with a dog, a beautiful spouse and a white picket fence.
> Plus, we could use the help.  Anyone interested please contact me.
> Also, anyone with information about the whereabouts of the code archive,
> please email me.
> 
> Hans K
> 
> --
> Hans C. Kaspersetz
> Co-founder
> Cyber X Designs
> hans at cyberxdesigns.com
> http://www.cyberxdesigns.com
> 
> Operations Guy and Presentations Lacky
> New York PHP
> 
> 
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From joshmccormack at travelersdiary.com  Thu May 26 22:49:12 2005
From: joshmccormack at travelersdiary.com (Josh McCormack)
Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 22:49:12 -0400
Subject: proposing NYPHP Cookbook (aka Re: [nycphp-talk] $$ question)
In-Reply-To: <29da5d1505052619323327c56b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <25386-38589@sneakemail.com>	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0505261143100.88336@emra.pair.com>	<42962FF7.4060803@omnistep.com>
	<429643C1.9010106@cyberxdesigns.com>
	<29da5d1505052619323327c56b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <42968AA8.9090409@travelersdiary.com>

How about filming explanations of the recipes. Make them entertaining, 
in front of an enthusiastic studio audience, with lots of "Bam! Bam!". 
Make a DVD.

Josh

Brian O'Connor wrote:
> I am almost certain that nothing I've written would be unique /
> valuble enough to be in a "nyphp Cookbook", but I know personally I'd
> find one extremely useful for my own purposes.
> 
> On 5/26/05, Hans C. Kaspersetz <hans at cyberxdesigns.com> wrote:
> 
>>Rolan Yang wrote:
>>
>>
>>>David Mintz wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 26 May 2005, inforequest wrote
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>which brings me to an idea that's related, if not quite the same
>>>>thing as
>>>>the above. I propose: let's create an NYPHP Cookbook. There are several
>>>>fine Cookbooks that we all know and love.
>>>>
>>>>Finally, make this an online publication; let each recipe-submitter
>>>>upload
>>>>a brief bio and optional JPEG of h(er|im)self and thus get a little
>>>>exposure. Of course, we could also consider whether it would be
>>>>cost-effective to try to print and sell it as hardcopy and raise some
>>>>$$$
>>>>for nyphp.
>>>>
>>>>Who's up for cookbook.nyphp.org? I'll volunteer to be part of the
>>>>editorial team.
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>Didn't we recently start a project similar to this?  I think it was the
>>code archive project?  I think that project is living in suspended
>>animation.  Not to poo-poo on the parade but I think we should pick up
>>the code archive project and add a couple of fields that cover the
>>submitter and beta it.  I know there was a lot of talk about the code
>>archive project, I think there were a couple of meetings and even some
>>documents written.  Who knows the current status of the code archive
>>project?  Are any of you ready to take up the gauntlet and work with the
>>core NYPHP people to get this thing done?  I imagine that we could spin
>>the basic set of scripts fairly quickly so that we could start taking
>>submissions and compiling a database of NYPHP Tasty Morsels.
>>
>>I would like to see community involvement on this project.  I know for a
>>fact that the core NYPHP people are currently working on a new frame
>>work for the entire NYPHP web site, so if any of you out there would
>>like to join us and help us finish the code archive project and make a
>>new home for the tasty bits of code we all love to read about, contact me.
>>
>>If the scripts are kept fairly straight forward and we attempt to solve
>>just this problem, I think we have a chance of making the project work.
>>This is a great opportunity to get involved, if you are not an uber
>>coder or you have some fear about getting involved, just come and give
>>it a shot.  You will learn a bunch, get to know some really cool people
>>and end up with a dog, a beautiful spouse and a white picket fence.
>>Plus, we could use the help.  Anyone interested please contact me.
>>Also, anyone with information about the whereabouts of the code archive,
>>please email me.
>>
>>Hans K
>>
>>--
>>Hans C. Kaspersetz
>>Co-founder
>>Cyber X Designs
>>hans at cyberxdesigns.com
>>http://www.cyberxdesigns.com
>>
>>Operations Guy and Presentations Lacky
>>New York PHP
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>New York PHP Talk Mailing List
>>AMP Technology
>>Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP
>>http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>>http://www.nyphp.org
>>
> 
> 
> 


From james at 2-bit-toys.com  Fri May 27 02:18:30 2005
From: james at 2-bit-toys.com (James Tu)
Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 23:18:30 -0700
Subject: proposing NYPHP Cookbook (aka Re: [nycphp-talk] $$ question)
In-Reply-To: <42968AA8.9090409@travelersdiary.com>
References: <25386-38589@sneakemail.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0505261143100.88336@emra.pair.com>
	<42962FF7.4060803@omnistep.com>
	<429643C1.9010106@cyberxdesigns.com>
	<29da5d1505052619323327c56b@mail.gmail.com>
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Why don't you guys do some podcasts about MYSQL/PHP/APACHE?  That would be 
awesome!

-James


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From matt at jobsforge.com  Thu May 26 23:53:58 2005
From: matt at jobsforge.com (Matthew Terenzio)
Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 23:53:58 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Pear XML_RPC + AJAX
Message-ID: <bca5cce8856c845d42297490beb13d53@jobsforge.com>

Been playing with this tonight.
Took a bit of Javascript hair pulling but then ........
Hooorahhhh!!

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<methodResponse>
    <params>
       <param>
          <value><string>test</string></value>
          </param>
       </params>
    </methodResponse>

You have got to love it. I may never load more than one page again.
Perhaps it's the tequila talking but moments like this only happen a 
couple times a year, so I had to share it.

But really, it's pretty cool.

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From 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com  Thu May 26 23:58:10 2005
From: 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com (inforequest)
Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 23:58:10 -0400
Subject: proposing NYPHP Cookbook (aka Re: [nycphp-talk] $$ question)
In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20050526231741.0318bc40@www.2-bit-toys.com>
References: <25386-38589@sneakemail.com>	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0505261143100.88336@emra.pair.com>	<42962FF7.4060803@omnistep.com>	<429643C1.9010106@cyberxdesigns.com>	<29da5d1505052619323327c56b@mail.gmail.com>	<42968AA8.9090409@travelersdiary.com>
	<6.2.0.14.0.20050526231741.0318bc40@www.2-bit-toys.com>
Message-ID: <7635-14748@sneakemail.com>

James Tu james-at-2-bit-toys.com |nyphp dev/internal group use| wrote:

> Why don't you guys do some podcasts about MYSQL/PHP/APACHE?  That 
> would be awesome!
>
> -James
>
>
+1

A capital idea!

Hey James, when will your recording be ready to upload?
Maybe we will use beercasting.com ?



From mikeh at dtev.com  Fri May 27 00:38:40 2005
From: mikeh at dtev.com (mike hjorleifsson)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 00:38:40 -0400
Subject: proposing NYPHP Cookbook (aka Re: [nycphp-talk] $$ question)
In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20050526231741.0318bc40@www.2-bit-toys.com>
References: <25386-38589@sneakemail.com>	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0505261143100.88336@emra.pair.com>	<42962FF7.4060803@omnistep.com>	<429643C1.9010106@cyberxdesigns.com>	<29da5d1505052619323327c56b@mail.gmail.com>	<42968AA8.9090409@travelersdiary.com>
	<6.2.0.14.0.20050526231741.0318bc40@www.2-bit-toys.com>
Message-ID: <4296A450.3000306@dtev.com>

take some donations... i will fork over some $$ to see a cookbook :)

James Tu wrote:

> Why don't you guys do some podcasts about MYSQL/PHP/APACHE?  That 
> would be awesome!
>
> -James
>
>

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From shiflett at php.net  Fri May 27 01:23:01 2005
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 01:23:01 -0400
Subject: proposing NYPHP Cookbook (aka Re: [nycphp-talk] $$ question)
In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20050526231741.0318bc40@www.2-bit-toys.com>
References: <25386-38589@sneakemail.com>	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0505261143100.88336@emra.pair.com>	<42962FF7.4060803@omnistep.com>	<429643C1.9010106@cyberxdesigns.com>	<29da5d1505052619323327c56b@mail.gmail.com>	<42968AA8.9090409@travelersdiary.com>
	<6.2.0.14.0.20050526231741.0318bc40@www.2-bit-toys.com>
Message-ID: <4296AEB5.7090404@php.net>

James Tu wrote:
> Why don't you guys do some podcasts about MYSQL/PHP/APACHE?

Sounds a lot like this: http://pro-php.com/

Chris

-- 
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Brain Bulb, The PHP Consultancy
http://brainbulb.com/


From rolan at omnistep.com  Fri May 27 01:57:51 2005
From: rolan at omnistep.com (Rolan Yang)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 01:57:51 -0400
Subject: proposing NYPHP Cookbook (aka Re: [nycphp-talk] $$ question)
In-Reply-To: <429643C1.9010106@cyberxdesigns.com>
References: <25386-38589@sneakemail.com>	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0505261143100.88336@emra.pair.com>	<42962FF7.4060803@omnistep.com>
	<429643C1.9010106@cyberxdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <4296B6DF.4010901@omnistep.com>

Hans C. Kaspersetz wrote:

> Didn't we recently start a project similar to this?  I think it was the
> code archive project?  I think that project is living in suspended
> animation.  Not to poo-poo on the parade but I think we should pick up
> the code archive project and add a couple of fields that cover the
>
> Hans K
>

I haven't actually joined any nyphp projects yet, so I can't 
authoritatively comment on why the project faded into oblivion, but I am 
given the impression that the current projects are large, complex, and 
require some sort of approval process to join. These barriers of entry 
are probably intimidating to a lot of people. Comittment to join a long 
term project is also intimidating, where as firing off a quick hack or 
suggestion on a mailing list is not. Small projects are simply easier to 
bite off and swallow.

You know what might work?
If once a week, a small script or real world problem is presented and 
everyone tosses out suggestions, solutions, and optimizations. OH WAIT. 
THE MAILING LIST IS JUST THAT!  (well, some of the time, heh). The 
rapidfire "development cycles" of mailing list chatter results in a 
optimized solution much faster than with large projects. To help guide 
content for the book, the problems should probably be hand picked. Also, 
if  people knew that they will eventually be published, they might be 
more inclined to contribute.


~Rolan




From ps at pswebcode.com  Fri May 27 09:47:47 2005
From: ps at pswebcode.com (Peter Sawczynec)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 09:47:47 -0400
Subject: proposing NYPHP Cookbook (aka Re: [nycphp-talk] $$ question)
In-Reply-To: <4296B6DF.4010901@omnistep.com>
Message-ID: <000601c562c2$adbed770$6400a8c0@yourx1adg12jme>

Looking for sponsorship (or at least publicity assistance) could be a good
idea too, like maybe presenting all the code in screen captures from the
Zend Studio or UltraEdit. 

Get Rasmus Lerdorf to do three paragraph intro (Somebody knows him good
enough).

Ultimately, even if the book didn't make it to a brick and mortar publisher.
NYPHP could easily convert the project to PDF (Adobe sponsor? Gets a blurb
touting full range of PDF capabilities.) and make available as
appropriately-priced digital download straight from NYPHP or even make a
click-through deal with Amazon.

PSaw


-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On
Behalf Of Rolan Yang
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 1:58 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: proposing NYPHP Cookbook (aka Re: [nycphp-talk] $$ question)


Hans C. Kaspersetz wrote:

> Didn't we recently start a project similar to this?  I think it was 
> the code archive project?  I think that project is living in suspended 
> animation.  Not to poo-poo on the parade but I think we should pick up 
> the code archive project and add a couple of fields that cover the
>
> Hans K
>

I haven't actually joined any nyphp projects yet, so I can't 
authoritatively comment on why the project faded into oblivion, but I am 
given the impression that the current projects are large, complex, and 
require some sort of approval process to join. These barriers of entry 
are probably intimidating to a lot of people. Comittment to join a long 
term project is also intimidating, where as firing off a quick hack or 
suggestion on a mailing list is not. Small projects are simply easier to 
bite off and swallow.

You know what might work?
If once a week, a small script or real world problem is presented and 
everyone tosses out suggestions, solutions, and optimizations. OH WAIT. 
THE MAILING LIST IS JUST THAT!  (well, some of the time, heh). The 
rapidfire "development cycles" of mailing list chatter results in a 
optimized solution much faster than with large projects. To help guide 
content for the book, the problems should probably be hand picked. Also, 
if  people knew that they will eventually be published, they might be 
more inclined to contribute.


~Rolan


_______________________________________________
New York PHP Talk Mailing List
AMP Technology
Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP
http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
http://www.nyphp.org




From dmintz at davidmintz.org  Fri May 27 10:08:39 2005
From: dmintz at davidmintz.org (David Mintz)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 10:08:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: proposing NYPHP Cookbook (aka Re: [nycphp-talk] $$ question)
In-Reply-To: <000601c562c2$adbed770$6400a8c0@yourx1adg12jme>
References: <000601c562c2$adbed770$6400a8c0@yourx1adg12jme>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0505271003110.3174@emra.pair.com>

On Fri, 27 May 2005, Peter Sawczynec wrote:

> Looking for sponsorship (or at least publicity assistance) could be a good
> idea too, like maybe presenting all the code in screen captures from the
> Zend Studio or UltraEdit.
>
> Get Rasmus Lerdorf to do three paragraph intro (Somebody knows him good
> enough).
>
> Ultimately, even if the book didn't make it to a brick and mortar publisher.
> NYPHP could easily convert the project to PDF (Adobe sponsor? Gets a blurb
> touting full range of PDF capabilities.) and make available as
> appropriately-priced digital download straight from NYPHP or even make a
> click-through deal with Amazon.

Now you're talkin'!

One of the challenges would be to mine the list archives, which surely has
a couple hundred gourmet recipes. I have seen more cool things than I can
remember.


---
David Mintz
http://davidmintz.org/


From nestorflorez at earthlink.net  Fri May 27 12:10:32 2005
From: nestorflorez at earthlink.net (Nestor Florez)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 09:10:32 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Pear XML_RPC + AJAX
Message-ID: <32438386.1117210232294.JavaMail.root@wamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Mathew,

I do not understand, What did you accomplished and can we see a working example of this.

Thanks,

Nestor :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Terenzio <matt at jobsforge.com>
Sent: May 26, 2005 8:53 PM
To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Pear XML_RPC + AJAX

Been playing with this tonight.
Took a bit of Javascript hair pulling but then ........
Hooorahhhh!!

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<methodResponse>
    <params>
       <param>
          <value><string>test</string></value>
          </param>
       </params>
    </methodResponse>

You have got to love it. I may never load more than one page again.
Perhaps it's the tequila talking but moments like this only happen a 
couple times a year, so I had to share it.

But really, it's pretty cool.






From matt at jobsforge.com  Fri May 27 12:39:50 2005
From: matt at jobsforge.com (Matthew Terenzio)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 12:39:50 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Pear XML_RPC + AJAX
In-Reply-To: <32438386.1117210232294.JavaMail.root@wamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <32438386.1117210232294.JavaMail.root@wamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <b0c89d29ccc7ab8b93edff30126df2a0@jobsforge.com>


On May 27, 2005, at 12:10 PM, Nestor Florez wrote:

> Mathew,
>
> I do not understand, What did you accomplished and can we see a 
> working example of this.


Ajax is a way to update a web page without reloading using  the 
xmlhttprequest object in javascript.
If you tie that in to an XML-RPC call you can have a web-services style 
data being written to a page in real time.

I knew about this for a while but was just happy to spend the time to 
get it to work for me.

  here's an example.

on the client (which is just an html page, no server side processing 
necessary)
I fed the javascript function below the url (the server), the XML_RPC 
method I want to invoke, and the value, in this case a string.

The XMLHTTP REQUEST object does its magic and if the XML_RPC returns an 
XML Doc. The processReqChange() waits for a reply and if its Ok (200) I 
can handle the  reply how i'd like . (I use a delegate() function which 
I feed the XML_RPC method type to so I hnow what kind of value I'm 
expecting.

I can explain more thoroughly later, but I'm late for work.

I'm just starting to work with this stuff. It might be old hat for some 
around here.
But basically, it enables you to call a remote procedure from somewhere 
on the web and display it within a web page without the need to reload 
the page.
I'm not going to mention  a Stock Ticker or anything like that : ). 
There are many possible uses.

<script language="javascript">
//config for server
var server = "PointToYourPHPScriptWhichUsesPearXML_RPC_andhas some 
methods defined "

var isIE = false;
var req;

function sendXMLRPC(url, method, value) {
     //branch for native object
     type = method;
     if (window.XMLHttpRequest) {
         req = new XMLHttpRequest();
         req.onreadystatechange = processReqChange;

         req.open("POST", url, true);
         req.setRequestHeader("Content-Type", "text/xml");
         req.send('<?xml version="1.0"?>\n'+
'<methodCall>\n'+
'<methodName>'+ method + '</methodName>\n'+
'<params>\n'+
'<param>\n'+
'<value>\n'+
'<string>' + value + '</string>\n'+
'</value>\n'+
'</param>\n'+
'</params>\n'+
'</methodCall>\n');
     //branch for Active X object
     } else if (window.ActiveXObject) {
         isIE = true;
         req = new ActiveXObject("Microsoft.XMLHTTP");
         if (req) {
             req.onreadystatechange = processReqChange;
             req.open("POST", url, true);
             req.setRequestHeader("Content-Type", "text/xml");
         req.send('<?xml version="1.0"?>\n'+
'<methodCall>\n'+
'<methodName>method</methodName>\n'+
'<params>\n'+
'<param>\n'+
'<value>\n'+
'<string>value</string>\n'+
'</value>\n'+
'</param>\n'+
'</params>\n'+
'</methodCall>\n');
         }
     }
}

function processReqChange() {
     // only if req shows "loaded"
     if (req.readyState == 4) {
         // only if "OK"
         if (req.status == 200) {
         //hand off to delegate function
			delegate(type);
          } else {
             alert("There was a problem retrieving the XML data:\n" +
                 req.statusText);
          }
     }
}



From nestorflorez at earthlink.net  Fri May 27 13:15:53 2005
From: nestorflorez at earthlink.net (Nestor Florez)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 10:15:53 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Pear XML_RPC + AJAX
Message-ID: <20843793.1117214153395.JavaMail.root@wamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Thanks for the info.

Yes, I have heard about AJax from going to the Java users Group.
Is a way a lot of portals use to update their portlets.

Nestor :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Terenzio <matt at jobsforge.com>
Sent: May 27, 2005 9:39 AM
To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Pear XML_RPC + AJAX


On May 27, 2005, at 12:10 PM, Nestor Florez wrote:

> Mathew,
>
> I do not understand, What did you accomplished and can we see a 
> working example of this.


Ajax is a way to update a web page without reloading using  the 
xmlhttprequest object in javascript.
If you tie that in to an XML-RPC call you can have a web-services style 
data being written to a page in real time.

I knew about this for a while but was just happy to spend the time to 
get it to work for me.

  here's an example.

on the client (which is just an html page, no server side processing 
necessary)
I fed the javascript function below the url (the server), the XML_RPC 
method I want to invoke, and the value, in this case a string.

The XMLHTTP REQUEST object does its magic and if the XML_RPC returns an 
XML Doc. The processReqChange() waits for a reply and if its Ok (200) I 
can handle the  reply how i'd like . (I use a delegate() function which 
I feed the XML_RPC method type to so I hnow what kind of value I'm 
expecting.

I can explain more thoroughly later, but I'm late for work.

I'm just starting to work with this stuff. It might be old hat for some 
around here.
But basically, it enables you to call a remote procedure from somewhere 
on the web and display it within a web page without the need to reload 
the page.
I'm not going to mention  a Stock Ticker or anything like that : ). 
There are many possible uses.

<script language="javascript">
//config for server
var server = "PointToYourPHPScriptWhichUsesPearXML_RPC_andhas some 
methods defined "

var isIE = false;
var req;

function sendXMLRPC(url, method, value) {
     //branch for native object
     type = method;
     if (window.XMLHttpRequest) {
         req = new XMLHttpRequest();
         req.onreadystatechange = processReqChange;

         req.open("POST", url, true);
         req.setRequestHeader("Content-Type", "text/xml");
         req.send('<?xml version="1.0"?>\n'+
'<methodCall>\n'+
'<methodName>'+ method + '</methodName>\n'+
'<params>\n'+
'<param>\n'+
'<value>\n'+
'<string>' + value + '</string>\n'+
'</value>\n'+
'</param>\n'+
'</params>\n'+
'</methodCall>\n');
     //branch for Active X object
     } else if (window.ActiveXObject) {
         isIE = true;
         req = new ActiveXObject("Microsoft.XMLHTTP");
         if (req) {
             req.onreadystatechange = processReqChange;
             req.open("POST", url, true);
             req.setRequestHeader("Content-Type", "text/xml");
         req.send('<?xml version="1.0"?>\n'+
'<methodCall>\n'+
'<methodName>method</methodName>\n'+
'<params>\n'+
'<param>\n'+
'<value>\n'+
'<string>value</string>\n'+
'</value>\n'+
'</param>\n'+
'</params>\n'+
'</methodCall>\n');
         }
     }
}

function processReqChange() {
     // only if req shows "loaded"
     if (req.readyState == 4) {
         // only if "OK"
         if (req.status == 200) {
         //hand off to delegate function
			delegate(type);
          } else {
             alert("There was a problem retrieving the XML data:\n" +
                 req.statusText);
          }
     }
}

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From lists at zaunere.com  Fri May 27 15:35:37 2005
From: lists at zaunere.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 15:35:37 -0400
Subject: proposing NYPHP Cookbook (aka Re: [nycphp-talk] $$ question)
In-Reply-To: <4296B6DF.4010901@omnistep.com>
Message-ID: <0MKz1m-1DbkcM3HZR-0001ZP@mrelay.perfora.net>


> Hans C. Kaspersetz wrote:
> 
> > Didn't we recently start a project similar to this?  I think it was the
> > code archive project?  I think that project is living in suspended
> > animation.  Not to poo-poo on the parade but I think we should pick up
> > the code archive project and add a couple of fields that cover the
> >
> > Hans K

Yeah, we did.

David, it's an excellent idea, and although similar to the code archive project, you've added a lot of new ideas to it.

> I haven't actually joined any nyphp projects yet, so I can't
> authoritatively comment on why the project faded into oblivion, but I am
> given the impression that the current projects are large, complex, and
> require some sort of approval process to join. These barriers of entry
> are probably intimidating to a lot of people. Comittment to join a long
> term project is also intimidating, where as firing off a quick hack or
> suggestion on a mailing list is not. Small projects are simply easier to
> bite off and swallow.

Actually, not really; there are no barriers of entry.  Any project, large or small, needs a motivator.  The project process we have provides some level of organization for a project.  And, to get people interested in helping, a short explanation/description of the project is needed.  It's very simple to do, but just requires someone to take the first step.

Since there are a lot of similar concepts between the cookbook and the code archive project, it'd be even easier for someone to jumpstart that.

H





From lists at zaunere.com  Fri May 27 15:42:45 2005
From: lists at zaunere.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 15:42:45 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Re: proposing NYPHP Cookbook
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0505261732080.67356@emra.pair.com>
Message-ID: <0MKz1m-1DbkjG2eLl-0001bi@mrelay.perfora.net>


> I'm aware that the NYPHP charter contemplates "New Project Proposal
> Submission" and what not, and it isn't totally clear to me whether this
> idea would constitute a Project, or whether anybody can formally propose
> one. But I'm not kidding, I think it's a cool idea and thought I'd throw
> it out there informally to see what people think.

Perhaps the language of the charter reads more than it is.  If there are ever any questions about projects or getting started with one, people are encouraged to contact Hans Kaspersetz at firstname.lastname at nyphp.org - it's very easy to get a project going.

H




From hans at cyberxdesigns.com  Fri May 27 16:03:39 2005
From: hans at cyberxdesigns.com (Hans C. Kaspersetz)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 16:03:39 -0400
Subject: proposing NYPHP Cookbook (aka Re: [nycphp-talk] $$ question)
In-Reply-To: <0MKz1m-1DbkcM3HZR-0001ZP@mrelay.perfora.net>
References: <0MKz1m-1DbkcM3HZR-0001ZP@mrelay.perfora.net>
Message-ID: <42977D1B.6080601@cyberxdesigns.com>

So here is the story, I have paged the guys here at NYPHP about the Code 
Archive Project.  They sent the materials to me and I would like to see 
the project move forward.  I think the ideas that have been brought 
forward over the last couple of days have been really fun and 
interesting and should be rolled into the project.  I believe that we do 
not have to start out aiming for an epic piece of software, just a 
system we can develop and have fun while doing it.  If you would like to 
contact me off list we can talk about what needs to be done and how you 
would like to see the project unfold.

The NYPHP community has all levels of programmers and managers, everyone 
is invited to participate, just drop me a line and lets talk about how 
you can contribute.  So email me, hans.kaspersetz at nyphp.org.  Lets 
set some reasonable goals and move this thing forward.

Hans
hans.kaspersetz at nyphp.org


From frank_wong2 at informationideas.com  Fri May 27 16:54:16 2005
From: frank_wong2 at informationideas.com (Frank Wong)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 16:54:16 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Market rate for development in NYC
Message-ID: <429788F8.7070104@informationideas.com>

I wanted to survey what people think is the fair market rate per hour 
for PHP/MySQL or ASP.NET development.  I just had a conversation with a 
friend in San Francisco and he said that it is not uncommon to be 
offered $30/hr for ASP.NET work even by large companies like Schwab, 
SBC, Intel, etc.  For some background, he is a very experience developer 
with 10 years under his belt.  So we are not talking entry level or 
junior developer here.  Is that about the same type of rates expected 
here in NYC?



From andrew at plexpod.com  Fri May 27 17:17:07 2005
From: andrew at plexpod.com (Andrew Yochum)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 17:17:07 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Market rate for development in NYC
In-Reply-To: <429788F8.7070104@informationideas.com>
References: <429788F8.7070104@informationideas.com>
Message-ID: <20050527211705.GD19317@zoidberg.digitalpulp.com>

On Fri, May 27, 2005 at 04:54:16PM -0400, Frank Wong wrote:
> I wanted to survey what people think is the fair market rate per hour 
> for PHP/MySQL or ASP.NET development.  I just had a conversation with a 
> friend in San Francisco and he said that it is not uncommon to be 
> offered $30/hr for ASP.NET work even by large companies like Schwab, 
> SBC, Intel, etc.  For some background, he is a very experience developer 
> with 10 years under his belt.  So we are not talking entry level or 
> junior developer here.  Is that about the same type of rates expected 
> here in NYC?

I would say that sounds very low for NYC, especially for someone with 10
yrs under their belt. Salary.com confirms that for NYC for a "Web
Software Developer":
	http://tinyurl.com/as9qf
And also for SF:
	http://tinyurl.com/9l5rq
And it goes up for "Web Software Developer, Sr." in NYC:
	http://tinyurl.com/9y3sf
And is even higher in SF:
	http://tinyurl.com/9nxxo

Is the keyword in your statement "offered"?  Meaning, are they
low-balling developers with under market rates?  But possibly
negotiating up... as long as the developer is savvy enough?

Hmm.

Andrew

-- 
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Plexpod
andrew at plexpod.com
718-360-0879


From 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com  Fri May 27 17:21:57 2005
From: 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com (inforequest)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 17:21:57 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] any interest in a newbie installfest of WordPress
 plus in NY or NJ?
Message-ID: <11908-77152@sneakemail.com>

I always apreciated newbie installfests and so I am willing to set one up if there is interest.

WordPress is a hot blog software, written in PHP/MySQL. It is very flexible, and can be many things in addition to a standard blog. It is now at a very nice and relatively stable version 1.5.1.2 9 (as of today?) which I really like. 

Most of you out there are probably thinking "what's to install and configure? It's so simple!" and you are correct. But it's not that easy for those not actively working with all-things-php, and this is an installfest for those people.

To make it even more interesting, I will suggest that while there are literally THOUSANDS of themes and templates and plug-ins available (each one promoted as the best thing since Sliced Images), there are actually not that many that are "ready for prime time" on the latest WP1.5.x release. So there's value to participating even if you are so 133t you can program PHP using this kick-ass keyboard http://peripherals.engadget.com/entry/1234000577031787/

Add to that the WordPress docs are widely dispersed and wiki-based, and there's plenty of knowledge to share.

Anybody interested? Here's what I figure could happen at least once:

- bring your gear, meet at wifi friendly spot in NY or NJ
- have an editor, your own hosting account or use a temp one provided by (someone or some not-for-profit? Or we can NAT my T-mobile account and 0wn a Starbucks)
- we can intro to SVN to get and keep up with WP, or just grab the DL. I can demonstrate why you might consider the SVN nightlies... and if you don't use SVN this is an easy way to start (WP is a wide open SVN repo).
- there's many places to get themes and templates - I know a few good ones and few dead-ends
- WP is based on a controller called the WP Loop. Get an intro so you can start hacking it.
- The WP Codex is a vast knowledge base.. I have a set of bookmarks to start with
- search engine friendly? Pheh. We can fix that, too, or at least start on the path.

Let me know if you are interested, if you have ideas/preferences, or a place etc. Again I encourage those who have little experience but want to dig into WP etc cause it's really low key and low pressure to get started with WP. Of course if there are only uberstus, we could jump right to in-lining bbpress and MG2, or tying in some single sign-on for a multiblog or whatever.


-=john andrews
http://www.seo-fun.com (nothing to see, move along...)




From 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com  Fri May 27 17:25:57 2005
From: 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com (inforequest)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 17:25:57 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Market rate for development in NYC
Message-ID: <13638-84198@sneakemail.com>


Keep in mind those Salary.com numbers are base-pay salaried, not including any bonus. Add 30-40% to cover self-employed benefits for an independent contractor? 



-----Original Message-----
From: 
	"Andrew Yochum andrew-at-plexpod.com |nyphp dev/internal group use|" <...>
Sent: May 27, 2005 5:17 PM
To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Market rate for development in NYC

On Fri, May 27, 2005 at 04:54:16PM -0400, Frank Wong wrote:
> I wanted to survey what people think is the fair market rate per hour 
> for PHP/MySQL or ASP.NET development.  I just had a conversation with a 
> friend in San Francisco and he said that it is not uncommon to be 
> offered $30/hr for ASP.NET work even by large companies like Schwab, 
> SBC, Intel, etc.  For some background, he is a very experience developer 
> with 10 years under his belt.  So we are not talking entry level or 
> junior developer here.  Is that about the same type of rates expected 
> here in NYC?

I would say that sounds very low for NYC, especially for someone with 10
yrs under their belt. Salary.com confirms that for NYC for a "Web
Software Developer":
	http://tinyurl.com/as9qf
And also for SF:
	http://tinyurl.com/9l5rq
And it goes up for "Web Software Developer, Sr." in NYC:
	http://tinyurl.com/9y3sf
And is even higher in SF:
	http://tinyurl.com/9nxxo

Is the keyword in your statement "offered"?  Meaning, are they
low-balling developers with under market rates?  But possibly
negotiating up... as long as the developer is savvy enough?

Hmm.

Andrew

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Plexpod
andrew at plexpod.com
718-360-0879
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From krook at us.ibm.com  Fri May 27 17:33:07 2005
From: krook at us.ibm.com (Daniel Krook)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 17:33:07 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Market rate for development in NYC
In-Reply-To: <13638-84198@sneakemail.com>
Message-ID: <OF85D6D9D8.2A1C4231-ON8525700E.00762167-8525700E.007662EF@us.ibm.com>

> Keep in mind those Salary.com numbers are base-pay salaried, not 
> including any bonus. Add 30-40% to cover self-employed benefits for 
> an independent contractor? 


I haven't trusted salary.com numbers since I dug this up some years ago. 
It's still on there with the same figures as 4 years ago.

"The median expected salary for a typical Surfer - Web in New York, NY is 
$42,010.

Surfer - Web
Visits multiple websites to gather information. Reviews and catalogues 
websites according to established guidelines. Requires a high school 
diploma with 0-2 years of experience in the field or in a related area. 
Has knowledge of commonly-used concepts, practices, and procedures within 
a particular field. Relies on instructions and pre-established guidelines 
to perform the functions of the job. Works under immediate supervision. 
Primary job functions do not typically require exercising independent 
judgment. Typically reports to a manager." 





Daniel Krook, Advisory IT Specialist 
Application Development, Production Services - Tools, ibm.com

Personal: http://info.krook.org/
BluePages: http://bluepages.redirect.webahead.ibm.com/
BlogPages: http://blogpages.redirect.webahead.ibm.com/




From nestorflorez at earthlink.net  Fri May 27 17:38:36 2005
From: nestorflorez at earthlink.net (Nestor Florez)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 14:38:36 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Market rate for development in NYC
Message-ID: <6980905.1117229916998.JavaMail.root@wamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Try http://www.salaryexpert.com/

-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Krook <krook at us.ibm.com>
Sent: May 27, 2005 2:33 PM
To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Market rate for development in NYC

> Keep in mind those Salary.com numbers are base-pay salaried, not 
> including any bonus. Add 30-40% to cover self-employed benefits for 
> an independent contractor? 


I haven't trusted salary.com numbers since I dug this up some years ago. 
It's still on there with the same figures as 4 years ago.

"The median expected salary for a typical Surfer - Web in New York, NY is 
$42,010.

Surfer - Web
Visits multiple websites to gather information. Reviews and catalogues 
websites according to established guidelines. Requires a high school 
diploma with 0-2 years of experience in the field or in a related area. 
Has knowledge of commonly-used concepts, practices, and procedures within 
a particular field. Relies on instructions and pre-established guidelines 
to perform the functions of the job. Works under immediate supervision. 
Primary job functions do not typically require exercising independent 
judgment. Typically reports to a manager." 





Daniel Krook, Advisory IT Specialist 
Application Development, Production Services - Tools, ibm.com

Personal: http://info.krook.org/
BluePages: http://bluepages.redirect.webahead.ibm.com/
BlogPages: http://blogpages.redirect.webahead.ibm.com/


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From andrew at plexpod.com  Fri May 27 17:41:49 2005
From: andrew at plexpod.com (Andrew Yochum)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 17:41:49 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Market rate for development in NYC
In-Reply-To: <OF85D6D9D8.2A1C4231-ON8525700E.00762167-8525700E.007662EF@us.ibm.com>
References: <13638-84198@sneakemail.com>
	<OF85D6D9D8.2A1C4231-ON8525700E.00762167-8525700E.007662EF@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <20050527214145.GF19317@zoidberg.digitalpulp.com>

On Fri, May 27, 2005 at 05:33:07PM -0400, Daniel Krook wrote:
> > Keep in mind those Salary.com numbers are base-pay salaried, not 
> > including any bonus. Add 30-40% to cover self-employed benefits for 
> > an independent contractor? 
> 
> 
> I haven't trusted salary.com numbers since I dug this up some years ago. 
> It's still on there with the same figures as 4 years ago.
> 
> "The median expected salary for a typical Surfer - Web in New York, NY is 
> $42,010.
> 
> Surfer - Web
> Visits multiple websites to gather information. Reviews and catalogues 
> websites according to established guidelines. Requires a high school 
> diploma with 0-2 years of experience in the field or in a related area. 
> Has knowledge of commonly-used concepts, practices, and procedures within 
> a particular field. Relies on instructions and pre-established guidelines 
> to perform the functions of the job. Works under immediate supervision. 
> Primary job functions do not typically require exercising independent 
> judgment. Typically reports to a manager." 

Such jobs exist aplenty.  That not bunk at all.  Think online "ambulance
chasers" or SE "beat cop" for example.

The salary not changing is curious, can't explain that...

Andrew

-- 
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Plexpod
andrew at plexpod.com
718-360-0879


From frank_wong2 at informationideas.com  Fri May 27 17:48:27 2005
From: frank_wong2 at informationideas.com (Frank Wong)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 17:48:27 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Market rate for development in NYC
In-Reply-To: <13638-84198@sneakemail.com>
References: <13638-84198@sneakemail.com>
Message-ID: <429795AB.6090301@informationideas.com>

So given the information, we have the median of ~$65/hr for a Sr. Web 
Software Developer.  This was determined with the following information.

50 work week per year for full time
40 hour work week
$96,727 for full time Sr Web Software Developer
35% increase in hourly rate for contractors

I guess that makes for a great discrepancy between what my friend was 
quoted ($30/hr) and the median going rate.  It just doesn't make sense.  
He also said that he had been turned down before and the prospect told 
him that he was by far the most qualified person out of all their 
applicants but they just cannot afford him.  Has anyone experienced this 
in NYC?  I am still wondering if there is a difference in how IT work is 
value between the 2 locations that is not represented by those median 
salary numbers.  Or he is just looking in the wrong place for clients, 
but I hardly consider Schwab, SBC, and Intel terrible clients.


_________________
Frank Wong

inforequest wrote:

>Keep in mind those Salary.com numbers are base-pay salaried, not including any bonus. Add 30-40% to cover self-employed benefits for an independent contractor? 
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: 
>	"Andrew Yochum andrew-at-plexpod.com |nyphp dev/internal group use|" <...>
>Sent: May 27, 2005 5:17 PM
>To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
>Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Market rate for development in NYC
>
>On Fri, May 27, 2005 at 04:54:16PM -0400, Frank Wong wrote:
>  
>
>>I wanted to survey what people think is the fair market rate per hour 
>>for PHP/MySQL or ASP.NET development.  I just had a conversation with a 
>>friend in San Francisco and he said that it is not uncommon to be 
>>offered $30/hr for ASP.NET work even by large companies like Schwab, 
>>SBC, Intel, etc.  For some background, he is a very experience developer 
>>with 10 years under his belt.  So we are not talking entry level or 
>>junior developer here.  Is that about the same type of rates expected 
>>here in NYC?
>>    
>>
>
>I would say that sounds very low for NYC, especially for someone with 10
>yrs under their belt. Salary.com confirms that for NYC for a "Web
>Software Developer":
>	http://tinyurl.com/as9qf
>And also for SF:
>	http://tinyurl.com/9l5rq
>And it goes up for "Web Software Developer, Sr." in NYC:
>	http://tinyurl.com/9y3sf
>And is even higher in SF:
>	http://tinyurl.com/9nxxo
>
>Is the keyword in your statement "offered"?  Meaning, are they
>low-balling developers with under market rates?  But possibly
>negotiating up... as long as the developer is savvy enough?
>
>Hmm.
>
>Andrew
>
>  
>




From joshmccormack at travelersdiary.com  Fri May 27 19:10:08 2005
From: joshmccormack at travelersdiary.com (Josh McCormack)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 19:10:08 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Market rate for development in NYC
In-Reply-To: <429795AB.6090301@informationideas.com>
References: <13638-84198@sneakemail.com>
	<429795AB.6090301@informationideas.com>
Message-ID: <4297A8D0.7090104@travelersdiary.com>

I'd say the following factor in:

1. rates will often get lower as the # of hours increases
2. people will always try to low ball you. Just look at the adds on 
craigslist for Jr this and that, recent college grad, with 5 years 
experience. They'll use any excuse they can, promise you future work, 
promise you more after a trial period, promise you referrals, try to 
base a rate off another you had, etc.
3. depends on how you market yourself.
4. depends on how much you need the work.


Josh


Frank Wong wrote:

> So given the information, we have the median of ~$65/hr for a Sr. Web 
> Software Developer.  This was determined with the following information.
> 
> 50 work week per year for full time
> 40 hour work week
> $96,727 for full time Sr Web Software Developer
> 35% increase in hourly rate for contractors
> 
> I guess that makes for a great discrepancy between what my friend was 
> quoted ($30/hr) and the median going rate.  It just doesn't make sense.  
> He also said that he had been turned down before and the prospect told 
> him that he was by far the most qualified person out of all their 
> applicants but they just cannot afford him.  Has anyone experienced this 
> in NYC?  I am still wondering if there is a difference in how IT work is 
> value between the 2 locations that is not represented by those median 
> salary numbers.  Or he is just looking in the wrong place for clients, 
> but I hardly consider Schwab, SBC, and Intel terrible clients.
> 
> 
> _________________
> Frank Wong
> 
> inforequest wrote:
> 
>> Keep in mind those Salary.com numbers are base-pay salaried, not 
>> including any bonus. Add 30-40% to cover self-employed benefits for an 
>> independent contractor?
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:     "Andrew Yochum andrew-at-plexpod.com |nyphp dev/internal 
>> group use|" <...>
>> Sent: May 27, 2005 5:17 PM
>> To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Market rate for development in NYC
>>
>> On Fri, May 27, 2005 at 04:54:16PM -0400, Frank Wong wrote:
>>  
>>
>>> I wanted to survey what people think is the fair market rate per hour 
>>> for PHP/MySQL or ASP.NET development.  I just had a conversation with 
>>> a friend in San Francisco and he said that it is not uncommon to be 
>>> offered $30/hr for ASP.NET work even by large companies like Schwab, 
>>> SBC, Intel, etc.  For some background, he is a very experience 
>>> developer with 10 years under his belt.  So we are not talking entry 
>>> level or junior developer here.  Is that about the same type of rates 
>>> expected here in NYC?
>>>   
>>
>>
>> I would say that sounds very low for NYC, especially for someone with 10
>> yrs under their belt. Salary.com confirms that for NYC for a "Web
>> Software Developer":
>>     http://tinyurl.com/as9qf
>> And also for SF:
>>     http://tinyurl.com/9l5rq
>> And it goes up for "Web Software Developer, Sr." in NYC:
>>     http://tinyurl.com/9y3sf
>> And is even higher in SF:
>>     http://tinyurl.com/9nxxo
>>
>> Is the keyword in your statement "offered"?  Meaning, are they
>> low-balling developers with under market rates?  But possibly
>> negotiating up... as long as the developer is savvy enough?
>>
>> Hmm.
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>>  
>>
> 
> 
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From joshmccormack at travelersdiary.com  Fri May 27 19:14:43 2005
From: joshmccormack at travelersdiary.com (Josh McCormack)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 19:14:43 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] any interest in a newbie installfest of
	WordPress plus in NY or NJ?
In-Reply-To: <11908-77152@sneakemail.com>
References: <11908-77152@sneakemail.com>
Message-ID: <4297A9E3.3030109@travelersdiary.com>

I'm not new to PHP/MySQL, but have not used WordPress, but want to for a 
couple of sites. I'd love to get your perspective and guidance, 
especially as I want to customize my installs of it.

Josh

inforequest wrote:

> I always apreciated newbie installfests and so I am willing to set one up if there is interest.
> 
> WordPress is a hot blog software, written in PHP/MySQL. It is very flexible, and can be many things in addition to a standard blog. It is now at a very nice and relatively stable version 1.5.1.2 9 (as of today?) which I really like. 
> 
> Most of you out there are probably thinking "what's to install and configure? It's so simple!" and you are correct. But it's not that easy for those not actively working with all-things-php, and this is an installfest for those people.
> 
> To make it even more interesting, I will suggest that while there are literally THOUSANDS of themes and templates and plug-ins available (each one promoted as the best thing since Sliced Images), there are actually not that many that are "ready for prime time" on the latest WP1.5.x release. So there's value to participating even if you are so 133t you can program PHP using this kick-ass keyboard http://peripherals.engadget.com/entry/1234000577031787/
> 
> Add to that the WordPress docs are widely dispersed and wiki-based, and there's plenty of knowledge to share.
> 
> Anybody interested? Here's what I figure could happen at least once:
> 
> - bring your gear, meet at wifi friendly spot in NY or NJ
> - have an editor, your own hosting account or use a temp one provided by (someone or some not-for-profit? Or we can NAT my T-mobile account and 0wn a Starbucks)
> - we can intro to SVN to get and keep up with WP, or just grab the DL. I can demonstrate why you might consider the SVN nightlies... and if you don't use SVN this is an easy way to start (WP is a wide open SVN repo).
> - there's many places to get themes and templates - I know a few good ones and few dead-ends
> - WP is based on a controller called the WP Loop. Get an intro so you can start hacking it.
> - The WP Codex is a vast knowledge base.. I have a set of bookmarks to start with
> - search engine friendly? Pheh. We can fix that, too, or at least start on the path.
> 
> Let me know if you are interested, if you have ideas/preferences, or a place etc. Again I encourage those who have little experience but want to dig into WP etc cause it's really low key and low pressure to get started with WP. Of course if there are only uberstus, we could jump right to in-lining bbpress and MG2, or tying in some single sign-on for a multiblog or whatever.
> 
> 
> -=john andrews
> http://www.seo-fun.com (nothing to see, move along...)
> 
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From krook at us.ibm.com  Fri May 27 19:27:03 2005
From: krook at us.ibm.com (Daniel Krook)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 19:27:03 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Market rate for development in NYC
In-Reply-To: <20050527214145.GF19317@zoidberg.digitalpulp.com>
Message-ID: <OF6AD9B2C9.1D02CB8B-ON8525700E.007F1B7E-8525700E.0080D142@us.ibm.com>

> > I haven't trusted salary.com numbers since I dug this up some years 
ago. 
> > It's still on there with the same figures as 4 years ago.
> > 
> > "The median expected salary for a typical Surfer - Web in New York, NY 
is 
> > $42,010.
> > 
> > Surfer - Web
> > Visits multiple websites to gather information. Reviews and catalogues 

> > websites according to established guidelines. Requires a high school 
> > diploma with 0-2 years of experience in the field or in a related 
area. 
> > Has knowledge of commonly-used concepts, practices, and procedures 
within 
> > a particular field. Relies on instructions and pre-established 
guidelines 
> > to perform the functions of the job. Works under immediate 
supervision. 
> > Primary job functions do not typically require exercising independent 
> > judgment. Typically reports to a manager." 
> 
> Such jobs exist aplenty.  That not bunk at all.  Think online "ambulance
> chasers" or SE "beat cop" for example.
> 
> The salary not changing is curious, can't explain that...
> 
> Andrew


You and John make a good point about that position describing market 
research, targetted data mining and copyright/SE policy enforcement. 

>From the term "surfer" I had visions of getting paid $42k to wander 
aimlessly from site to site, kind of like getting carried away by all the 
Star Wars info at Wikipedia and burning time following link after link 
into the wee hours of the morning.  "Surf" has always had a 
free-time/consumer connotation to me I suppose.  :)

I guess "web researcher" or "information analyst" would be a better name 
for what's intended by the salary.com description. 



From 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com  Fri May 27 21:05:20 2005
From: 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com (inforequest)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 21:05:20 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Market rate for development in NYC
Message-ID: <2390-35542@sneakemail.com>

And things have changed alot in a few years. Used to be "QA testers" were like web surfers... click click click but nowadays a good QA tester is very skilled with some good tools.



-----Original Message-----
From: 
	"Daniel Krook krook-at-us.ibm.com |nyphp dev/internal group use|" <...>
Sent: May 27, 2005 7:27 PM
To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Market rate for development in NYC

You and John make a good point about that position describing market 
research, targetted data mining and copyright/SE policy enforcement. 

>From the term "surfer" I had visions of getting paid $42k to wander 
aimlessly from site to site, kind of like getting carried away by all the 
Star Wars info at Wikipedia and burning time following link after link 
into the wee hours of the morning.  "Surf" has always had a 
free-time/consumer connotation to me I suppose.  :)

I guess "web researcher" or "information analyst" would be a better name 
for what's intended by the salary.com description. 



From lists at zaunere.com  Sat May 28 01:25:38 2005
From: lists at zaunere.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 01:25:38 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Pentration Discussion
Message-ID: <0MKz5u-1DbtpK0Ft6-00030C@mrelay.perfora.net>


For those not on the PHP-General list, a good thread has recently been developing where Rasmus showed some interesting examples and discussion of cross-site scripting vulnerabilities.

Follow the thread
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=111721168800001&r=1&w=2

And Rasmus' first post:
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=php-general&m=111722197717368&w=2


---
Hans Zaunere
President, Founder

New York PHP
http://www.nyphp.org

AMP Technology
Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP






From jon at mediavortex.com  Sat May 28 10:36:26 2005
From: jon at mediavortex.com (Jon Niola)
Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 10:36:26 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Pentration Discussion
In-Reply-To: <0MKz5u-1DbtpK0Ft6-00030C@mrelay.perfora.net>
References: <0MKz5u-1DbtpK0Ft6-00030C@mrelay.perfora.net>
Message-ID: <a06210207bebe3082a702@[10.1.1.98]>

Interesting thread. I think that security is one area that even many 
of us PHP veterans could always learn more about.

I recently have had to do some research on these types of issues 
myself. I consider myself  to be pretty good with PHP, but security 
is a pretty complicated issue with so many issues to consider.

For example on the NYPHP site in "phundamentals" section there is the 
article on form spoofing. I have seen so many different schools of 
thought on this.

Thinking about that article I was wondering, why not just check the 
HTTP_REFERER to make sure the form is being submitted from server as 
opposed to someone storing it locally and editing vars?

Might not be too bad an idea for us to put together a security page 
with best practices, do's and don't etc. It would be a valuable 
resource for even the seasoned coders. Some of the best coders I know 
take security for granted.

Just my $.02 on the subject.

--Jon

>For those not on the PHP-General list, a good thread has recently 
>been developing where Rasmus showed some interesting examples and 
>discussion of cross-site scripting vulnerabilities.
>
>Follow the thread
>http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=111721168800001&r=1&w=2
>
>And Rasmus' first post:
>http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=php-general&m=111722197717368&w=2
>
>
>---
>Hans Zaunere
>President, Founder
>
>New York PHP
>http://www.nyphp.org
>
>AMP Technology
>Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP
>
>
>
>
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From adam at trachtenberg.com  Sat May 28 10:56:10 2005
From: adam at trachtenberg.com (Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg)
Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 10:56:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Pentration Discussion
In-Reply-To: <a06210207bebe3082a702@[10.1.1.98]>
References: <0MKz5u-1DbtpK0Ft6-00030C@mrelay.perfora.net>
	<a06210207bebe3082a702@[10.1.1.98]>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0505281044500.4534@miranda.org>

On Sat, 28 May 2005, Jon Niola wrote:

> Thinking about that article I was wondering, why not just check the
> HTTP_REFERER to make sure the form is being submitted from server as
> opposed to someone storing it locally and editing vars?
>
> Might not be too bad an idea for us to put together a security page
> with best practices, do's and don't etc. It would be a valuable
> resource for even the seasoned coders. Some of the best coders I know
> take security for granted.

I don't mean to be rude, but if you really think checking HTTP_REFERER
is a good way to protect against this type of attack, you probably
shouldn't be working on a security "best practices" page.

This value is easily spoofed because an attacker can manually set the
HTTP header herself and the value is easily known. See
http://shiflett.org/archive/96.

-adam

-- 
adam at trachtenberg.com | http://www.trachtenberg.com
author of o'reilly's "upgrading to php 5" and "php cookbook"
avoid the holiday rush, buy your copies today!


From jon at mediavortex.com  Sat May 28 11:10:37 2005
From: jon at mediavortex.com (Jon Niola)
Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 11:10:37 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Pentration Discussion
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0505281044500.4534@miranda.org>
References: <0MKz5u-1DbtpK0Ft6-00030C@mrelay.perfora.net>
	<a06210207bebe3082a702@[10.1.1.98]>
	<Pine.LNX.4.58.0505281044500.4534@miranda.org>
Message-ID: <a06210208bebe38fea3da@[10.1.1.98]>

I didn't say I was going to do it. I used the word "us" meaning group 
effort based on discussions we could/would have on list.

I did not profess to be a security expert and never would. :)

I was not aware that an env var such as that could be so easily 
spoofed. I was under the impression that was a variable generated by 
Apache /shrug

The link you sent is an interesting read. Thanks for the info.

--Jon



>On Sat, 28 May 2005, Jon Niola wrote:
>
>>  Thinking about that article I was wondering, why not just check the
>>  HTTP_REFERER to make sure the form is being submitted from server as
>>  opposed to someone storing it locally and editing vars?
>>
>>  Might not be too bad an idea for us to put together a security page
>>  with best practices, do's and don't etc. It would be a valuable
>>  resource for even the seasoned coders. Some of the best coders I know
>>  take security for granted.
>
>I don't mean to be rude, but if you really think checking HTTP_REFERER
>is a good way to protect against this type of attack, you probably
>shouldn't be working on a security "best practices" page.
>
>This value is easily spoofed because an attacker can manually set the
>HTTP header herself and the value is easily known. See
>http://shiflett.org/archive/96.
>
>-adam
>
>--
>adam at trachtenberg.com | http://www.trachtenberg.com
>author of o'reilly's "upgrading to php 5" and "php cookbook"
>avoid the holiday rush, buy your copies today!
>_______________________________________________
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From jv_nyphp at duikerbok.com  Sat May 28 11:21:10 2005
From: jv_nyphp at duikerbok.com (Jose Villegas)
Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 11:21:10 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Pentration Discussion
In-Reply-To: <0MKz5u-1DbtpK0Ft6-00030C@mrelay.perfora.net>
References: <0MKz5u-1DbtpK0Ft6-00030C@mrelay.perfora.net>
Message-ID: <1EA30650-CF8C-11D9-8862-000A95D78076@duikerbok.com>

The site in question wasn't escaping characters submitted by a user so 
a person could submit html code which manipulated the markup of the 
response page.

One question: Rasmus mentions that he can trick people into sending 
their user names and passwords. I'm assuming he meant he could do this 
with the hack he demonstrated. But if he goes to a website and does 
this, how does he have access to another person's user names and 
passwords? Isn't he only manipulating the response page which only he 
is seeing?

I'm guessing if he submits his "name" which contains html code, the 
name is stored in a database and retrieved by an administrator, 
javascript could be inserted which could grab cookie values (for 
example) from the administrator. Something similar could be done if the 
name is posted to a bulletin board or a similar web application.

Would there be any other vulnerabilities?

jose

On May 28, 2005, at 1:25 AM, Hans Zaunere wrote:
> For those not on the PHP-General list, a good thread has recently been 
> developing where Rasmus showed some interesting examples and 
> discussion of cross-site scripting vulnerabilities.
>
> Follow the thread
> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=111721168800001&r=1&w=2
>
> And Rasmus' first post:
> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=php-general&m=111722197717368&w=2
> ...
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From 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com  Sat May 28 11:33:56 2005
From: 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com (inforequest)
Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 11:33:56 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Pentration Discussion
Message-ID: <12836-99227@sneakemail.com>


I think Rasmus' example was a cross-site scripting example, not stealing cookies. 

The faulty web page was coded to build a form based on incoming parameters in the GET string.  So Rasmus ADDED encoded stuff to that GET string, with a script from Rasmus' own website somewhere else. When the faulty page parsed the incoming GET it also followed Rasmus' added instructions, which loaded javascript from another webserver somewhere else. 

That other-site script could be a fake login that collects usernames/passwords. Easier than hacking cookies.




-----Original Message-----
From: 
	"Jose Villegas jv_nyphp-at-duikerbok.com |nyphp dev/internal group use|" <...>
Sent: May 28, 2005 11:21 AM
To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP Pentration Discussion

The site in question wasn't escaping characters submitted by a user so 
a person could submit html code which manipulated the markup of the 
response page.

One question: Rasmus mentions that he can trick people into sending 
their user names and passwords. I'm assuming he meant he could do this 
with the hack he demonstrated. But if he goes to a website and does 
this, how does he have access to another person's user names and 
passwords? Isn't he only manipulating the response page which only he 
is seeing?

I'm guessing if he submits his "name" which contains html code, the 
name is stored in a database and retrieved by an administrator, 
javascript could be inserted which could grab cookie values (for 
example) from the administrator. Something similar could be done if the 
name is posted to a bulletin board or a similar web application.

Would there be any other vulnerabilities?

jose

On May 28, 2005, at 1:25 AM, Hans Zaunere wrote:
> For those not on the PHP-General list, a good thread has recently been 
> developing where Rasmus showed some interesting examples and 
> discussion of cross-site scripting vulnerabilities.
>
> Follow the thread
> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=111721168800001&r=1&w=2
>
> And Rasmus' first post:
> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=php-general&m=111722197717368&w=2
> ...


From 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com  Sat May 28 11:38:37 2005
From: 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com (inforequest)
Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 11:38:37 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Pentration Discussion
Message-ID: <9875-32114@sneakemail.com>

-----Original Message-----
From: 
	"Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg adam-at-trachtenberg.com |nyphp dev/internal group use|" <...>
Sent: May 28, 2005 10:56 AM
To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP Pentration Discussion

I don't mean to be rude, but if you really think checking HTTP_REFERER
is a good way to protect against this type of attack, you probably
shouldn't be working on a security "best practices" page.
<

Adam,

Working on, or do you mean leading/editing? 

If you don't know much about security, but know/like PHP, and are interested in this stuff, then I would think you are a good candidate to WORK ON such a best practices page. What a great way to learn, no?

I agree about leading and editing completely. That's why we need guys like you and Chris, and apreciate your books.

-=john


From jv_nyphp at duikerbok.com  Sat May 28 11:46:36 2005
From: jv_nyphp at duikerbok.com (Jose Villegas)
Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 11:46:36 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Pentration Discussion
In-Reply-To: <12836-99227@sneakemail.com>
References: <12836-99227@sneakemail.com>
Message-ID: <ACB0A817-CF8F-11D9-8862-000A95D78076@duikerbok.com>

I guess my biggest question is, does this type of hack depend on the 
user's information being stored in a database and displayed to other 
users? Or is there another kind of vulnerability?

jose

On May 28, 2005, at 11:33 AM, inforequest wrote:

>
> I think Rasmus' example was a cross-site scripting example, not 
> stealing cookies.
>
> The faulty web page was coded to build a form based on incoming 
> parameters in the GET string.  So Rasmus ADDED encoded stuff to that 
> GET string, with a script from Rasmus' own website somewhere else. 
> When the faulty page parsed the incoming GET it also followed Rasmus' 
> added instructions, which loaded javascript from another webserver 
> somewhere else.
>
> That other-site script could be a fake login that collects 
> usernames/passwords. Easier than hacking cookies.
> ...



From adam at trachtenberg.com  Sat May 28 13:39:44 2005
From: adam at trachtenberg.com (Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg)
Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 13:39:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Pentration Discussion
In-Reply-To: <9875-32114@sneakemail.com>
References: <9875-32114@sneakemail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0505281327510.14098@miranda.org>

On Sat, 28 May 2005, inforequest wrote:

> Working on, or do you mean leading/editing?
>
> If you don't know much about security, but know/like PHP, and are
> interested in this stuff, then I would think you are a good
> candidate to WORK ON such a best practices page. What a great way to
> learn, no?
>
> I agree about leading and editing completely. That's why we need
> guys like you and Chris, and apreciate your books.

Actually, everything I know about security I learned from Chris. I'm a
follower here.

I do agree that working on something is usually the best way to
learn. However, with security, I worry that unless there a real expert
at the helm, you can end up producing an guide that misleads people
into believing their sites are secure, but are really filled with
holes. That's even worse than no guide at all.

I also wanted to point out that these issues are somewhat subtle, and
it's easy to "know" something is secure, when it's really not at all.

-adam

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avoid the holiday rush, buy your copies today!


From rolan at omnistep.com  Sat May 28 15:00:26 2005
From: rolan at omnistep.com (Rolan Yang)
Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 15:00:26 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Pentration Discussion
In-Reply-To: <ACB0A817-CF8F-11D9-8862-000A95D78076@duikerbok.com>
References: <12836-99227@sneakemail.com>
	<ACB0A817-CF8F-11D9-8862-000A95D78076@duikerbok.com>
Message-ID: <4298BFCA.3050108@omnistep.com>

This whole security issue has kicked some of my mental gears in motion.
What do you think if there was some sort of "security seal of approval" 
applied to scripts in a code archive? I think having a library of secure 
code bits would be invaluable to all php programmers. Of course, using 
the scripts would not guarantee security to the system as a whole, but 
it would definitely reduce the amount of problems.. and also save a lot 
of wheel reinvention which, I'm sure, we are all guilty of from time to 
time.


~Rolan


From shiflett at php.net  Sat May 28 15:41:55 2005
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 15:41:55 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Free books
In-Reply-To: <20050524180744.18354.qmail@webmail13.mesa1.secureserver.net>
References: <20050524180744.18354.qmail@webmail13.mesa1.secureserver.net>
Message-ID: <4298C983.3020302@php.net>

Regarding the free books, all are gone now except a few copies of HTTP 
Developer's Handbook and Zend PHP Certification Study Guide (one copy of 
each is being reserved for Dan C).

If you want to drop by today to grab a copy of either or both, you might 
want to email me first to make sure there are any left.

Thanks.

Chris


From codebowl at gmail.com  Sat May 28 16:12:03 2005
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 16:12:03 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Free books
In-Reply-To: <4298C983.3020302@php.net>
References: <20050524180744.18354.qmail@webmail13.mesa1.secureserver.net>
	<4298C983.3020302@php.net>
Message-ID: <8d9a42800505281312719a953@mail.gmail.com>

Chris can i get a certification guide?
i am going to buy one anyway if not lol
i will pay shipping for it

On 5/28/05, Chris Shiflett <shiflett at php.net> wrote:
> 
> Regarding the free books, all are gone now except a few copies of HTTP
> Developer's Handbook and Zend PHP Certification Study Guide (one copy of
> each is being reserved for Dan C).
> 
> If you want to drop by today to grab a copy of either or both, you might
> want to email me first to make sure there are any left.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Chris
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From shiflett at php.net  Sat May 28 16:47:09 2005
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 16:47:09 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Pentration Discussion
In-Reply-To: <12836-99227@sneakemail.com>
References: <12836-99227@sneakemail.com>
Message-ID: <4298D8CD.4020607@php.net>

inforequest wrote:
> I think Rasmus' example was a cross-site scripting example, not stealing cookies.

I haven't kept up with that thread (nor this one), but the most common 
XSS attacks are those that steal cookies. In fact, this is why there is 
a recommendation for HTTP-only cookies - this would let developers 
essentially hide these cookies from document.cookie.

Maybe that helps clarify something? :-)

Chris

-- 
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Brain Bulb, The PHP Consultancy
http://brainbulb.com/


From shiflett at php.net  Sat May 28 16:53:53 2005
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 16:53:53 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Pentration Discussion
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0505281327510.14098@miranda.org>
References: <9875-32114@sneakemail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.58.0505281327510.14098@miranda.org>
Message-ID: <4298DA61.90106@php.net>

Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg wrote:
> I also wanted to point out that these issues are somewhat subtle, and
> it's easy to "know" something is secure, when it's really not at all.

I agree completely. A good example is this blog entry:

http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/blogs/dw_blog_comments.jspa?blog=481&entry=75480

Here, Zeev points out that $_SERVER['SERVER_NAME'] can be manipulated by 
the Host header under certain circumstances. Rasmus disputes Zeev's 
claim, asserting that $_SERVER['SERVER_NAME'] is not tainted.

In this case, I believe Zeev is the one who is correct, but the point is 
that we have two of the top authorities on PHP, and one of them is 
incorrectly identifying the origin of a particular variable.

If these guys have trouble with this stuff, what hope is there for the 
rest of us? :-)

Chris

-- 
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http://brainbulb.com/


From shiflett at php.net  Sat May 28 16:58:17 2005
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 16:58:17 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Pentration Discussion
In-Reply-To: <4298BFCA.3050108@omnistep.com>
References: <12836-99227@sneakemail.com>	<ACB0A817-CF8F-11D9-8862-000A95D78076@duikerbok.com>
	<4298BFCA.3050108@omnistep.com>
Message-ID: <4298DB69.3070505@php.net>

Rolan Yang wrote:
> What do you think if there was some sort of "security seal of approval"
> applied to scripts in a code archive?

It's a good idea but hard to achieve in practice. This requires that the 
code be audited and approved by a person or group of people qualified to 
do so. What criteria must one meet to be qualified to make such a 
judgment? Even assuming that a qualified group existed, how do they 
choose which code to audit? There is a lot of PHP code out there, and 
auditing code takes a very long time.

> I think having a library of secure code bits would be invaluable to all
> php programmers.

While not code, the PHPSC has tried to do this sort of thing with online 
resources, linking to resources that we feel can help security-conscious 
PHP developers (many resources are counter-productive, as Adam warned 
against). The result of this is a small library of links:

http://phpsec.org/library/

It's nothing earth-shattering, but you can at least feel a bit more 
comfortable knowing that a few people reviewed each of these resources 
and believe that there is something useful there.

Chris

-- 
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http://brainbulb.com/


From 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com  Sat May 28 18:01:45 2005
From: 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com (inforequest)
Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 18:01:45 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Pentration Discussion
Message-ID: <6769-55627@sneakemail.com>


I wonder which security professional would want her name on software as a "seal of approval"  anyway. Imagine the consequences if, despite code passing all "best practice" checks, such "aproved" code was hacked with high profile consequences? 

Poof. Bye bye career.



-----Original Message-----
From: 
	"Chris Shiflett shiflett-at-php.net |nyphp dev/internal group use|" <...>
Sent: May 28, 2005 4:58 PM
To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP Pentration Discussion

Rolan Yang wrote:
> What do you think if there was some sort of "security seal of approval"
> applied to scripts in a code archive?

It's a good idea but hard to achieve in practice. This requires that the 
code be audited and approved by a person or group of people qualified to 
do so. What criteria must one meet to be qualified to make such a 
judgment? Even assuming that a qualified group existed, how do they 
choose which code to audit? There is a lot of PHP code out there, and 
auditing code takes a very long time.



From adam at trachtenberg.com  Sat May 28 18:39:00 2005
From: adam at trachtenberg.com (Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg)
Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 18:39:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Pentration Discussion
In-Reply-To: <6769-55627@sneakemail.com>
References: <6769-55627@sneakemail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0505281837470.18237@miranda.org>

On Sat, 28 May 2005, inforequest wrote:

> I wonder which security professional would want her name on software
> as a "seal of approval" anyway. Imagine the consequences if, despite
> code passing all "best practice" checks, such "aproved" code was
> hacked with high profile consequences?

One that is paid large amounts of money to provide the service, and is
able to get insurance to project against this possibility.

-adam

-- 
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author of o'reilly's "upgrading to php 5" and "php cookbook"
avoid the holiday rush, buy your copies today!


From hans at cyberxdesigns.com  Sun May 29 23:39:38 2005
From: hans at cyberxdesigns.com (Hans Kaspersetz)
Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 23:39:38 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] April and May Presentations.
Message-ID: <429A8AFA.3070501@cyberxdesigns.com>

The New York PHP web site has been updated with the presentations from 
April and May.

April's presentation was made by John Coggeshall on The Tidy Extension.  
May's presentation was made by Jay Sheth on Building Enterprise 
Applications with Mozilla, AMP, XML-RPC and JSON.

The links to the presentation can be found at the NYPHP site.**

http://www.nyphp.org/content/presentations/index.php

Hans

-- 
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NYPHP, OPS and Presentation Lacky.
 



From tweaky at gmail.com  Tue May 31 02:21:10 2005
From: tweaky at gmail.com (Wired Wired)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 02:21:10 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] php and xul
In-Reply-To: <4294BDB0.5030005@persson.tm>
References: <4294BDB0.5030005@persson.tm>
Message-ID: <c7cc39be05053023214b56cadd@mail.gmail.com>

Sounds like AJAX to me. Interesting stuff, not up to date on it myself though.

On 5/25/05, Eric Persson <eric at persson.tm> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I listened on a quick presentation of what could be done with php and
> xul to create richer client side applications. However, havent heard
> much since then, so, is there any project or community working with
> these things available out there? Does anyone know? :)
> 
> Best regards,
>        Eric
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From mwithington at PLMresearch.com  Tue May 31 08:59:13 2005
From: mwithington at PLMresearch.com (Mark Withington)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 08:59:13 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] HTML -> PDF
Message-ID: <1F3CD8DDFB6A9B4C9B8DD06E4A7DE358EF23C2@network.PLMresearch.com>

I've been using htmldoc-1.8.23 for quite sometime to convert HTML to PDF's
on the fly.  Recently I've been getting a lot of intermittent "the file is
damaged and could not be repaired" messages from Acrobat.  Has anyone had
experience tracking down errors like this?  Any suggestion for other HTML -
PDF (preferably php based) scripts that might work - I need to convert
images and text.

Thanks,

Mark


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From rsd at electronink.com  Tue May 31 09:13:07 2005
From: rsd at electronink.com (Russ Demarest)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 09:13:07 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] HTML -> PDF
In-Reply-To: <1F3CD8DDFB6A9B4C9B8DD06E4A7DE358EF23C2@network.PLMresearch.com>
References: <1F3CD8DDFB6A9B4C9B8DD06E4A7DE358EF23C2@network.PLMresearch.com>
Message-ID: <2A448691-CF26-4638-AF69-28C42F061FBA@electronink.com>

HTMLDOC is a great app but it could be many things. Did your HTML  
change? Is the HTML for the PDF generated dynamically? If so, perhaps  
someone entered a strange character or something else that is  
creating the bad PDF. Have you checked the HTMLDOC forums?

http://htmldoc.org/

Does it generate some pages correctly and not others? I usually have  
to work it down until I can find a hanging white space or stray tag  
that is problematic. Does the PDF open in any other reader? The  
encryption might be causing an issue, are you using that? Best bet is  
to try to recreate the error in a controlled environment, ie. simple  
HTML.

Good Luck

On May 31, 2005, at 8:59 AM, Mark Withington wrote:

> I've been using htmldoc-1.8.23 for quite sometime to convert HTML  
> to PDF's
> on the fly.  Recently I've been getting a lot of intermittent "the  
> file is
> damaged and could not be repaired" messages from Acrobat.  Has  
> anyone had
> experience tracking down errors like this?  Any suggestion for  
> other HTML -
> PDF (preferably php based) scripts that might work - I need to convert
> images and text.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark
>
>
> --------------------------
> Mark L. Withington
> PLMresearch
> "eBusiness for the Midsize Enterprise"
> PO Box 1354
> Plymouth, MA  02362
> o: 800-310-3992 ext. 704
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From lists at zaunere.com  Tue May 31 09:13:50 2005
From: lists at zaunere.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 09:13:50 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] php and xul
In-Reply-To: <4294BDB0.5030005@persson.tm>
Message-ID: <0MKyxe-1Dd6Z40pF8-0001Ww@mrelay.perfora.net>


> I listened on a quick presentation of what could be done with php and
> xul to create richer client side applications. However, havent heard
> much since then, so, is there any project or community working with
> these things available out there? Does anyone know? :)

You may be referring to the XUL presentation at May's Meeting:

http://www.nyphp.org/content/presentations/index.php

I don't know of any groups dedicated to this type of technology, but NYPHP does have a front-end SIG, which specializes in working with the combination of client and server side languages (like XUL, AJAX, etc).



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From tom at supertom.com  Tue May 31 09:57:50 2005
From: tom at supertom.com (Tom)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 09:57:50 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Other HTML to PDF generators Was: HTML -> PDF (htmldoc)
In-Reply-To: <2A448691-CF26-4638-AF69-28C42F061FBA@electronink.com>
Message-ID: <0IHC00BRSWM1H3@mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>

I see that HTML doc doesn't support CSS, but it is pending.

Are there any HTML to PDF packages that do that you would recommend?  I will
be in need of something like this by the end of the month, just wanted to
see if anyone had any solutions for it. I've used PDFlib and ezPDF before,
but this time I have the need to take an HTML page (which is dynamically
created and uses CSS) and produce it as a PDF.

Any thoughts?

Thanks,

Tom
http://www.liphp.org





-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On
Behalf Of Russ Demarest
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 9:13 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] HTML -> PDF

HTMLDOC is a great app but it could be many things. Did your HTML change? Is
the HTML for the PDF generated dynamically? If so, perhaps someone entered a
strange character or something else that is creating the bad PDF. Have you
checked the HTMLDOC forums?

http://htmldoc.org/

Does it generate some pages correctly and not others? I usually have to work
it down until I can find a hanging white space or stray tag that is
problematic. Does the PDF open in any other reader? The encryption might be
causing an issue, are you using that? Best bet is to try to recreate the
error in a controlled environment, ie. simple HTML.

Good Luck

On May 31, 2005, at 8:59 AM, Mark Withington wrote:

> I've been using htmldoc-1.8.23 for quite sometime to convert HTML  
> to PDF's
> on the fly.  Recently I've been getting a lot of intermittent "the  
> file is
> damaged and could not be repaired" messages from Acrobat.  Has  
> anyone had
> experience tracking down errors like this?  Any suggestion for  
> other HTML -
> PDF (preferably php based) scripts that might work - I need to convert
> images and text.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark
>
>
> --------------------------
> Mark L. Withington
> PLMresearch
> "eBusiness for the Midsize Enterprise"
> PO Box 1354
> Plymouth, MA  02362
> o: 800-310-3992 ext. 704
> f: 508-746-4973
> v: 508-746-2383
> m: 508-801-0181
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> mwithington at plmresearch.com
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From codebowl at gmail.com  Tue May 31 11:27:16 2005
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 11:27:16 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] PHP Magazine OR PHP Architect
Message-ID: <8d9a4280050531082776103011@mail.gmail.com>

Hello again,

can anyone here give me thier thoughts on both of these publications. I wish 
to subscribe to one of them but i am not sure which one has the best 
content. The price doesnt matter to me, i just want the best content for the 
buck ;)

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From nyphp at n0p.net  Tue May 31 11:28:31 2005
From: nyphp at n0p.net (Flavio daCosta)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 11:28:31 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Undocumented Functionality...
Message-ID: <429C829F.9010308@n0p.net>

Reading some interesting articles on http://phppatterns.com/ I came
across the following some code that has me scratching my head...

Can anyone explain why the code below works!? (in php4 and php5)  And is
this simply an undocumented _side effect_, or is it intentional (from
the php developers)?

1) Per the php manual, you can't use $this in static functions.
2) How is the SomeClass property $errorMsg accessed within the Debug class?

Example code from
<http://www.phppatterns.com/index.php/article/articleview/15/1/1/>


<?php
class Debug {
    function display () {
        echo ($this->errorMsg);
    }
}

class SomeClass {
    var $errorMsg='This is an error message';
    function someFunction () {
        if ( DEBUG == 1 ) {
            Debug::display();
        }
    }
}

define ('DEBUG',1);
$someClass= &new SomeClass;
$someClass->someFunction(); // Outputs: "This is an error message"
?>


Thanks,
Flavio


From dcech at phpwerx.net  Tue May 31 11:43:45 2005
From: dcech at phpwerx.net (Dan Cech)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 11:43:45 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Undocumented Functionality...
In-Reply-To: <429C829F.9010308@n0p.net>
References: <429C829F.9010308@n0p.net>
Message-ID: <429C8631.9030304@phpwerx.net>

Flavio,

This seems to me like a side effect of the mechanism used to allow 
directly calling methods defined in a superclass from a subclass.

eg:

class mysuper
{
   var $name = 'mysuper';
   function hello()
   {
     echo 'hello, I am '. $this->name;
   }
}

class mysub extends mysuper
{
   var $name = 'mysub';
   function hello()
   {
     parent::hello();
     echo ' testing';
   }
}

$mysub =& new mysub();
$mysub->hello();

The $this reference in mysuper::hello() should reference the $mysub 
object, which it does.  I would guess that the behavior you're seeing is 
that same mechanism in effect.

Dan

Flavio daCosta wrote:
> Reading some interesting articles on http://phppatterns.com/ I came
> across the following some code that has me scratching my head...
> 
> Can anyone explain why the code below works!? (in php4 and php5)  And is
> this simply an undocumented _side effect_, or is it intentional (from
> the php developers)?
> 
> 1) Per the php manual, you can't use $this in static functions.
> 2) How is the SomeClass property $errorMsg accessed within the Debug class?
> 
> Example code from
> <http://www.phppatterns.com/index.php/article/articleview/15/1/1/>
> 
> 
> <?php
> class Debug {
>     function display () {
>         echo ($this->errorMsg);
>     }
> }
> 
> class SomeClass {
>     var $errorMsg='This is an error message';
>     function someFunction () {
>         if ( DEBUG == 1 ) {
>             Debug::display();
>         }
>     }
> }
> 
> define ('DEBUG',1);
> $someClass= &new SomeClass;
> $someClass->someFunction(); // Outputs: "This is an error message"
> ?>
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Flavio
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From nyphp at n0p.net  Tue May 31 11:55:42 2005
From: nyphp at n0p.net (Flavio daCosta)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 11:55:42 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Undocumented Functionality...
In-Reply-To: <429C8631.9030304@phpwerx.net>
References: <429C829F.9010308@n0p.net> <429C8631.9030304@phpwerx.net>
Message-ID: <429C88FE.3080302@n0p.net>

On 05/31/2005 11:43 AM, Dan Cech wrote:
> class mysub extends mysuper
> 
> The $this reference in mysuper::hello() should reference the $mysub
> object, which it does.  I would guess that the behavior you're seeing is
> that same mechanism in effect.

Thanks for you answer Dan.

I can grasp your example better because of the extends keyword.  It just
seems strange to me to be able to access the properties of a class  via
the $this operator within a totally separate class that has no
_relationship_.


After reading the comments in the aforementioned article, there is a bit
of an explanation.  It still just doesn't seem _right_ to me.

<snip>
The reason why it works is because we call the method display() in the
debug class without instantiating Debug as an object.
The $this variable now refers to the SomeClass object, not an instance
of the Debug object.
</snip>

This suggests that whenever you call a function/static method, the
current class is being passed to that function (and may be accessed via
the $this keyword)...

Hmm, sounds like I need to do some testing with private variables...

Thanks,
Flavio


From mwithington at PLMresearch.com  Tue May 31 11:56:14 2005
From: mwithington at PLMresearch.com (Mark Withington)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 11:56:14 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] HTML -> PDF
Message-ID: <1F3CD8DDFB6A9B4C9B8DD06E4A7DE358EF23CD@network.PLMresearch.com>

Thanks for the great input.  I'm really stumped.  The pages are dynamically
generated.  If I simply save that as HTML and then run it through HTMLDOC;
no problem.  When I run it, generated on the fly, the page throws an error.
Even stranger, the page prints correctly with other data (HTML generated
from a mysql db) and even display correctly via HTMLDOC through another
(similar) application using the same database.

Does anyone know if there is an error log file in Acrobat?  The debug
message is pretty weak, ""the file is damaged and could not be repaired"


--------------------------
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PLMresearch
"eBusiness for the Midsize Enterprise"
PO Box 1354
Plymouth, MA  02362
o: 800-310-3992 ext. 704
f: 508-746-4973
v: 508-746-2383
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-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Russ Demarest
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 9:13 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] HTML -> PDF


HTMLDOC is a great app but it could be many things. Did your HTML  
change? Is the HTML for the PDF generated dynamically? If so, perhaps  
someone entered a strange character or something else that is  
creating the bad PDF. Have you checked the HTMLDOC forums?

http://htmldoc.org/

Does it generate some pages correctly and not others? I usually have  
to work it down until I can find a hanging white space or stray tag  
that is problematic. Does the PDF open in any other reader? The  
encryption might be causing an issue, are you using that? Best bet is  
to try to recreate the error in a controlled environment, ie. simple  
HTML.

Good Luck

On May 31, 2005, at 8:59 AM, Mark Withington wrote:

> I've been using htmldoc-1.8.23 for quite sometime to convert HTML  
> to PDF's
> on the fly.  Recently I've been getting a lot of intermittent "the  
> file is
> damaged and could not be repaired" messages from Acrobat.  Has  
> anyone had
> experience tracking down errors like this?  Any suggestion for  
> other HTML -
> PDF (preferably php based) scripts that might work - I need to convert
> images and text.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark
>
>
> --------------------------
> Mark L. Withington
> PLMresearch
> "eBusiness for the Midsize Enterprise"
> PO Box 1354
> Plymouth, MA  02362
> o: 800-310-3992 ext. 704
> f: 508-746-4973
> v: 508-746-2383
> m: 508-801-0181
> http://www.PLMresearch.com
> Netscape/AOL/MSN IM: PLMresearch
> mwithington at plmresearch.com
> Public Key:
> http://www.plmdev.com/plmr/plmresearch.com/keys/MLW_public_key.asc
> Calendar: http://www.plmdev.com/plmr/plmresearch.com/calendar.php
>
> _______________________________________________
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From lists at zaunere.com  Tue May 31 12:02:13 2005
From: lists at zaunere.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 12:02:13 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Undocumented Functionality...
In-Reply-To: <429C829F.9010308@n0p.net>
Message-ID: <0MKyxe-1Dd9C12cUd-000753@mrelay.perfora.net>


> Reading some interesting articles on http://phppatterns.com/ I came
> across the following some code that has me scratching my head...
> 
> Can anyone explain why the code below works!? (in php4 and php5)  And is
> this simply an undocumented _side effect_, or is it intentional (from
> the php developers)?
> 
> 1) Per the php manual, you can't use $this in static functions.
> 2) How is the SomeClass property $errorMsg accessed within the Debug class?
> 
> Example code from
> <http://www.phppatterns.com/index.php/article/articleview/15/1/1/>
> 
> 
> <?php
> class Debug {
>     function display () {
>         echo ($this->errorMsg);
>     }
> }
> 
> class SomeClass {
>     var $errorMsg='This is an error message';
>     function someFunction () {
>         if ( DEBUG == 1 ) {
>             Debug::display();
>         }
>     }
> }
> 
> define ('DEBUG',1);
> $someClass= &new SomeClass;
> $someClass->someFunction(); // Outputs: "This is an error message"
> ?>

Although I suppose it is officially undocumented, it's been fairly well known.  Regardless of whether people think it's right or not, it was left in PHP 5 because quite a bit of OO code depends on it.

While probably not good OO practice, I liked the functionality.  Although I don't use it anymore, I used to make extensive use of it as a multi-inheritance mechanism.  Pretty handy, although for the wrong reasons :)

H




From nyphp at n0p.net  Tue May 31 12:11:59 2005
From: nyphp at n0p.net (Flavio daCosta)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 12:11:59 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Undocumented Functionality...
In-Reply-To: <429C88FE.3080302@n0p.net>
References: <429C829F.9010308@n0p.net> <429C8631.9030304@phpwerx.net>
	<429C88FE.3080302@n0p.net>
Message-ID: <429C8CCF.1040201@n0p.net>

On 05/31/2005 11:55 AM, Flavio daCosta wrote:
> Hmm, sounds like I need to do some testing with private variables...

Well, after some quick tests utilizing the newer php5 OO syntax:

1) declaring Debug::display() as static.
  Fatal error: Using $this when not in object context...

2) making SomeClass::errorMsg a private property.
  Fatal error: Cannot access private property SomeClass::$errorMsg

OK, This is more of what I was expecting.

Thanks guys for the responses.

Thanks
Flavio


From cmerlo441 at gmail.com  Tue May 31 12:06:24 2005
From: cmerlo441 at gmail.com (Christopher Merlo)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 12:06:24 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Undocumented Functionality...
In-Reply-To: <0MKyxe-1Dd9C12cUd-000753@mrelay.perfora.net>
References: <429C829F.9010308@n0p.net>
	<0MKyxe-1Dd9C12cUd-000753@mrelay.perfora.net>
Message-ID: <94658648050531090631c61616@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/31/05, Hans Zaunere <lists at zaunere.com> wrote:

> While probably not good OO practice, I liked the functionality.  Although I don't use > it anymore, I used to make extensive use of it as a multi-inheritance mechanism.  > Pretty handy, although for the wrong reasons :)

As a wise man once said, good luck reinforces bad habits.  :)

-- 
cmerlo441 at gmail.com
http://www.theyellowbox.com/


From rsd at electronink.com  Tue May 31 12:26:59 2005
From: rsd at electronink.com (Russ Demarest)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 12:26:59 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] HTML -> PDF
In-Reply-To: <1F3CD8DDFB6A9B4C9B8DD06E4A7DE358EF23CD@network.PLMresearch.com>
References: <1F3CD8DDFB6A9B4C9B8DD06E4A7DE358EF23CD@network.PLMresearch.com>
Message-ID: <7500CCE1-FCF1-402D-9F45-2B34EBE5E405@electronink.com>

Are you saving saving the PDF file on the server then sending it to  
the browser/acrobat? Acrobat may think something is wrong if it  
stalls while HTMLDOC is generating the doc. Is it a large document?  
If you save what is generated my HTMLDOC on your local machine then  
open it with Acrobat does it work?



On May 31, 2005, at 11:56 AM, Mark Withington wrote:

> Thanks for the great input.  I'm really stumped.  The pages are  
> dynamically
> generated.  If I simply save that as HTML and then run it through  
> HTMLDOC;
> no problem.  When I run it, generated on the fly, the page throws  
> an error.
> Even stranger, the page prints correctly with other data (HTML  
> generated
> from a mysql db) and even display correctly via HTMLDOC through  
> another
> (similar) application using the same database.
>
> Does anyone know if there is an error log file in Acrobat?  The debug
> message is pretty weak, ""the file is damaged and could not be  
> repaired"
>
>
> --------------------------
> Mark L. Withington
> PLMresearch
> "eBusiness for the Midsize Enterprise"
> PO Box 1354
> Plymouth, MA  02362
> o: 800-310-3992 ext. 704
> f: 508-746-4973
> v: 508-746-2383
> m: 508-801-0181
> http://www.PLMresearch.com
> Netscape/AOL/MSN IM: PLMresearch
> mwithington at plmresearch.com
> Public Key:
> http://www.plmdev.com/plmr/plmresearch.com/keys/MLW_public_key.asc
> Calendar: http://www.plmdev.com/plmr/plmresearch.com/calendar.php
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Russ Demarest
> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 9:13 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] HTML -> PDF
>
>
> HTMLDOC is a great app but it could be many things. Did your HTML
> change? Is the HTML for the PDF generated dynamically? If so, perhaps
> someone entered a strange character or something else that is
> creating the bad PDF. Have you checked the HTMLDOC forums?
>
> http://htmldoc.org/
>
> Does it generate some pages correctly and not others? I usually have
> to work it down until I can find a hanging white space or stray tag
> that is problematic. Does the PDF open in any other reader? The
> encryption might be causing an issue, are you using that? Best bet is
> to try to recreate the error in a controlled environment, ie. simple
> HTML.
>
> Good Luck
>
> On May 31, 2005, at 8:59 AM, Mark Withington wrote:
>
>
>> I've been using htmldoc-1.8.23 for quite sometime to convert HTML
>> to PDF's
>> on the fly.  Recently I've been getting a lot of intermittent "the
>> file is
>> damaged and could not be repaired" messages from Acrobat.  Has
>> anyone had
>> experience tracking down errors like this?  Any suggestion for
>> other HTML -
>> PDF (preferably php based) scripts that might work - I need to  
>> convert
>> images and text.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>> --------------------------
>> Mark L. Withington
>> PLMresearch
>> "eBusiness for the Midsize Enterprise"
>> PO Box 1354
>> Plymouth, MA  02362
>> o: 800-310-3992 ext. 704
>> f: 508-746-4973
>> v: 508-746-2383
>> m: 508-801-0181
>> http://www.PLMresearch.com
>> Netscape/AOL/MSN IM: PLMresearch
>> mwithington at plmresearch.com
>> Public Key:
>> http://www.plmdev.com/plmr/plmresearch.com/keys/MLW_public_key.asc
>> Calendar: http://www.plmdev.com/plmr/plmresearch.com/calendar.php
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> New York PHP Talk Mailing List
>> AMP Technology
>> Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP
>> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>> http://www.nyphp.org
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> AMP Technology
> Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP
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From mwithington at PLMresearch.com  Tue May 31 12:29:35 2005
From: mwithington at PLMresearch.com (Mark Withington)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 12:29:35 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] HTML -> PDF
Message-ID: <1F3CD8DDFB6A9B4C9B8DD06E4A7DE358EF23CF@network.PLMresearch.com>

Don't save on the server.  Will try saving the file and then opening it.  As
I recall, I need to adjust Acrobat for this.


--------------------------
Mark L. Withington
PLMresearch
"eBusiness for the Midsize Enterprise"
PO Box 1354
Plymouth, MA  02362
o: 800-310-3992 ext. 704
f: 508-746-4973
v: 508-746-2383
m: 508-801-0181
http://www.PLMresearch.com
Netscape/AOL/MSN IM: PLMresearch
mwithington at plmresearch.com
Public Key:
http://www.plmdev.com/plmr/plmresearch.com/keys/MLW_public_key.asc
Calendar: http://www.plmdev.com/plmr/plmresearch.com/calendar.php



-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Russ Demarest
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 12:27 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] HTML -> PDF


Are you saving saving the PDF file on the server then sending it to  
the browser/acrobat? Acrobat may think something is wrong if it  
stalls while HTMLDOC is generating the doc. Is it a large document?  
If you save what is generated my HTMLDOC on your local machine then  
open it with Acrobat does it work?



On May 31, 2005, at 11:56 AM, Mark Withington wrote:

> Thanks for the great input.  I'm really stumped.  The pages are  
> dynamically
> generated.  If I simply save that as HTML and then run it through  
> HTMLDOC;
> no problem.  When I run it, generated on the fly, the page throws  
> an error.
> Even stranger, the page prints correctly with other data (HTML  
> generated
> from a mysql db) and even display correctly via HTMLDOC through  
> another
> (similar) application using the same database.
>
> Does anyone know if there is an error log file in Acrobat?  The debug
> message is pretty weak, ""the file is damaged and could not be  
> repaired"
>
>
> --------------------------
> Mark L. Withington
> PLMresearch
> "eBusiness for the Midsize Enterprise"
> PO Box 1354
> Plymouth, MA  02362
> o: 800-310-3992 ext. 704
> f: 508-746-4973
> v: 508-746-2383
> m: 508-801-0181
> http://www.PLMresearch.com
> Netscape/AOL/MSN IM: PLMresearch
> mwithington at plmresearch.com
> Public Key:
> http://www.plmdev.com/plmr/plmresearch.com/keys/MLW_public_key.asc
> Calendar: http://www.plmdev.com/plmr/plmresearch.com/calendar.php
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Russ Demarest
> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 9:13 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] HTML -> PDF
>
>
> HTMLDOC is a great app but it could be many things. Did your HTML
> change? Is the HTML for the PDF generated dynamically? If so, perhaps
> someone entered a strange character or something else that is
> creating the bad PDF. Have you checked the HTMLDOC forums?
>
> http://htmldoc.org/
>
> Does it generate some pages correctly and not others? I usually have
> to work it down until I can find a hanging white space or stray tag
> that is problematic. Does the PDF open in any other reader? The
> encryption might be causing an issue, are you using that? Best bet is
> to try to recreate the error in a controlled environment, ie. simple
> HTML.
>
> Good Luck
>
> On May 31, 2005, at 8:59 AM, Mark Withington wrote:
>
>
>> I've been using htmldoc-1.8.23 for quite sometime to convert HTML
>> to PDF's
>> on the fly.  Recently I've been getting a lot of intermittent "the
>> file is
>> damaged and could not be repaired" messages from Acrobat.  Has
>> anyone had
>> experience tracking down errors like this?  Any suggestion for
>> other HTML -
>> PDF (preferably php based) scripts that might work - I need to  
>> convert
>> images and text.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>> --------------------------
>> Mark L. Withington
>> PLMresearch
>> "eBusiness for the Midsize Enterprise"
>> PO Box 1354
>> Plymouth, MA  02362
>> o: 800-310-3992 ext. 704
>> f: 508-746-4973
>> v: 508-746-2383
>> m: 508-801-0181
>> http://www.PLMresearch.com
>> Netscape/AOL/MSN IM: PLMresearch
>> mwithington at plmresearch.com
>> Public Key:
>> http://www.plmdev.com/plmr/plmresearch.com/keys/MLW_public_key.asc
>> Calendar: http://www.plmdev.com/plmr/plmresearch.com/calendar.php
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> New York PHP Talk Mailing List
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>> Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP
>> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
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>>
>>
>
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From rsd at electronink.com  Tue May 31 12:35:16 2005
From: rsd at electronink.com (Russ Demarest)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 12:35:16 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] HTML -> PDF
In-Reply-To: <1F3CD8DDFB6A9B4C9B8DD06E4A7DE358EF23CF@network.PLMresearch.com>
References: <1F3CD8DDFB6A9B4C9B8DD06E4A7DE358EF23CF@network.PLMresearch.com>
Message-ID: <75AFBD72-63A4-49C3-9F03-3C8410FF2151@electronink.com>

You should be able to right click on a link to the PDF and select  
"Save Link As".

Good Luck

On May 31, 2005, at 12:29 PM, Mark Withington wrote:

> Don't save on the server.  Will try saving the file and then  
> opening it.  As
> I recall, I need to adjust Acrobat for this.
>
>
> --------------------------
> Mark L. Withington
> PLMresearch
> "eBusiness for the Midsize Enterprise"
> PO Box 1354
> Plymouth, MA  02362
> o: 800-310-3992 ext. 704
> f: 508-746-4973
> v: 508-746-2383
> m: 508-801-0181
> http://www.PLMresearch.com
> Netscape/AOL/MSN IM: PLMresearch
> mwithington at plmresearch.com
> Public Key:
> http://www.plmdev.com/plmr/plmresearch.com/keys/MLW_public_key.asc
> Calendar: http://www.plmdev.com/plmr/plmresearch.com/calendar.php
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Russ Demarest
> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 12:27 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] HTML -> PDF
>
>
> Are you saving saving the PDF file on the server then sending it to
> the browser/acrobat? Acrobat may think something is wrong if it
> stalls while HTMLDOC is generating the doc. Is it a large document?
> If you save what is generated my HTMLDOC on your local machine then
> open it with Acrobat does it work?
>
>
>
> On May 31, 2005, at 11:56 AM, Mark Withington wrote:
>
>
>> Thanks for the great input.  I'm really stumped.  The pages are
>> dynamically
>> generated.  If I simply save that as HTML and then run it through
>> HTMLDOC;
>> no problem.  When I run it, generated on the fly, the page throws
>> an error.
>> Even stranger, the page prints correctly with other data (HTML
>> generated
>> from a mysql db) and even display correctly via HTMLDOC through
>> another
>> (similar) application using the same database.
>>
>> Does anyone know if there is an error log file in Acrobat?  The debug
>> message is pretty weak, ""the file is damaged and could not be
>> repaired"
>>
>>
>> --------------------------
>> Mark L. Withington
>> PLMresearch
>> "eBusiness for the Midsize Enterprise"
>> PO Box 1354
>> Plymouth, MA  02362
>> o: 800-310-3992 ext. 704
>> f: 508-746-4973
>> v: 508-746-2383
>> m: 508-801-0181
>> http://www.PLMresearch.com
>> Netscape/AOL/MSN IM: PLMresearch
>> mwithington at plmresearch.com
>> Public Key:
>> http://www.plmdev.com/plmr/plmresearch.com/keys/MLW_public_key.asc
>> Calendar: http://www.plmdev.com/plmr/plmresearch.com/calendar.php
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
>> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Russ Demarest
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 9:13 AM
>> To: NYPHP Talk
>> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] HTML -> PDF
>>
>>
>> HTMLDOC is a great app but it could be many things. Did your HTML
>> change? Is the HTML for the PDF generated dynamically? If so, perhaps
>> someone entered a strange character or something else that is
>> creating the bad PDF. Have you checked the HTMLDOC forums?
>>
>> http://htmldoc.org/
>>
>> Does it generate some pages correctly and not others? I usually have
>> to work it down until I can find a hanging white space or stray tag
>> that is problematic. Does the PDF open in any other reader? The
>> encryption might be causing an issue, are you using that? Best bet is
>> to try to recreate the error in a controlled environment, ie. simple
>> HTML.
>>
>> Good Luck
>>
>> On May 31, 2005, at 8:59 AM, Mark Withington wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> I've been using htmldoc-1.8.23 for quite sometime to convert HTML
>>> to PDF's
>>> on the fly.  Recently I've been getting a lot of intermittent "the
>>> file is
>>> damaged and could not be repaired" messages from Acrobat.  Has
>>> anyone had
>>> experience tracking down errors like this?  Any suggestion for
>>> other HTML -
>>> PDF (preferably php based) scripts that might work - I need to
>>> convert
>>> images and text.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------------
>>> Mark L. Withington
>>> PLMresearch
>>> "eBusiness for the Midsize Enterprise"
>>> PO Box 1354
>>> Plymouth, MA  02362
>>> o: 800-310-3992 ext. 704
>>> f: 508-746-4973
>>> v: 508-746-2383
>>> m: 508-801-0181
>>> http://www.PLMresearch.com
>>> Netscape/AOL/MSN IM: PLMresearch
>>> mwithington at plmresearch.com
>>> Public Key:
>>> http://www.plmdev.com/plmr/plmresearch.com/keys/MLW_public_key.asc
>>> Calendar: http://www.plmdev.com/plmr/plmresearch.com/calendar.php
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> New York PHP Talk Mailing List
>>> AMP Technology
>>> Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP
>>> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
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>>>
>>>
>>
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From mwithington at PLMresearch.com  Tue May 31 12:46:30 2005
From: mwithington at PLMresearch.com (Mark Withington)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 12:46:30 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] HTML -> PDF
Message-ID: <1F3CD8DDFB6A9B4C9B8DD06E4A7DE358EF23D3@network.PLMresearch.com>

Hah!  We're getting closer.  Saved the file to disk (locally) first and then
opened it without a problem.  Any thoughts?

Really appreciate all the help.  Had I asked sooner, I might have gotten
more sleep last night.


--------------------------
Mark L. Withington
PLMresearch
"eBusiness for the Midsize Enterprise"
PO Box 1354
Plymouth, MA  02362
o: 800-310-3992 ext. 704
f: 508-746-4973
v: 508-746-2383
m: 508-801-0181
http://www.PLMresearch.com
Netscape/AOL/MSN IM: PLMresearch
mwithington at plmresearch.com
Public Key:
http://www.plmdev.com/plmr/plmresearch.com/keys/MLW_public_key.asc
Calendar: http://www.plmdev.com/plmr/plmresearch.com/calendar.php



-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Russ Demarest
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 12:35 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] HTML -> PDF


You should be able to right click on a link to the PDF and select  
"Save Link As".

Good Luck

On May 31, 2005, at 12:29 PM, Mark Withington wrote:

> Don't save on the server.  Will try saving the file and then  
> opening it.  As
> I recall, I need to adjust Acrobat for this.
>
>
> --------------------------
> Mark L. Withington
> PLMresearch
> "eBusiness for the Midsize Enterprise"
> PO Box 1354
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Russ Demarest
> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 12:27 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] HTML -> PDF
>
>
> Are you saving saving the PDF file on the server then sending it to
> the browser/acrobat? Acrobat may think something is wrong if it
> stalls while HTMLDOC is generating the doc. Is it a large document?
> If you save what is generated my HTMLDOC on your local machine then
> open it with Acrobat does it work?
>
>
>
> On May 31, 2005, at 11:56 AM, Mark Withington wrote:
>
>
>> Thanks for the great input.  I'm really stumped.  The pages are
>> dynamically
>> generated.  If I simply save that as HTML and then run it through
>> HTMLDOC;
>> no problem.  When I run it, generated on the fly, the page throws
>> an error.
>> Even stranger, the page prints correctly with other data (HTML
>> generated
>> from a mysql db) and even display correctly via HTMLDOC through
>> another
>> (similar) application using the same database.
>>
>> Does anyone know if there is an error log file in Acrobat?  The debug
>> message is pretty weak, ""the file is damaged and could not be
>> repaired"
>>
>>
>> --------------------------
>> Mark L. Withington
>> PLMresearch
>> "eBusiness for the Midsize Enterprise"
>> PO Box 1354
>> Plymouth, MA  02362
>> o: 800-310-3992 ext. 704
>> f: 508-746-4973
>> v: 508-746-2383
>> m: 508-801-0181
>> http://www.PLMresearch.com
>> Netscape/AOL/MSN IM: PLMresearch
>> mwithington at plmresearch.com
>> Public Key:
>> http://www.plmdev.com/plmr/plmresearch.com/keys/MLW_public_key.asc
>> Calendar: http://www.plmdev.com/plmr/plmresearch.com/calendar.php
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
>> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Russ Demarest
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 9:13 AM
>> To: NYPHP Talk
>> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] HTML -> PDF
>>
>>
>> HTMLDOC is a great app but it could be many things. Did your HTML
>> change? Is the HTML for the PDF generated dynamically? If so, perhaps
>> someone entered a strange character or something else that is
>> creating the bad PDF. Have you checked the HTMLDOC forums?
>>
>> http://htmldoc.org/
>>
>> Does it generate some pages correctly and not others? I usually have
>> to work it down until I can find a hanging white space or stray tag
>> that is problematic. Does the PDF open in any other reader? The
>> encryption might be causing an issue, are you using that? Best bet is
>> to try to recreate the error in a controlled environment, ie. simple
>> HTML.
>>
>> Good Luck
>>
>> On May 31, 2005, at 8:59 AM, Mark Withington wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> I've been using htmldoc-1.8.23 for quite sometime to convert HTML
>>> to PDF's
>>> on the fly.  Recently I've been getting a lot of intermittent "the
>>> file is
>>> damaged and could not be repaired" messages from Acrobat.  Has
>>> anyone had
>>> experience tracking down errors like this?  Any suggestion for
>>> other HTML -
>>> PDF (preferably php based) scripts that might work - I need to
>>> convert
>>> images and text.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------------
>>> Mark L. Withington
>>> PLMresearch
>>> "eBusiness for the Midsize Enterprise"
>>> PO Box 1354
>>> Plymouth, MA  02362
>>> o: 800-310-3992 ext. 704
>>> f: 508-746-4973
>>> v: 508-746-2383
>>> m: 508-801-0181
>>> http://www.PLMresearch.com
>>> Netscape/AOL/MSN IM: PLMresearch
>>> mwithington at plmresearch.com
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>>> http://www.plmdev.com/plmr/plmresearch.com/keys/MLW_public_key.asc
>>> Calendar: http://www.plmdev.com/plmr/plmresearch.com/calendar.php
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From leam at reuel.net  Tue May 31 12:48:12 2005
From: leam at reuel.net (leam at reuel.net)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 12:48:12 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Making an array from a list item?
Message-ID: <20050531164812.GE3104@leitz>

Trying to read code from last year. *sigh* At least it isn't as difficult as perl...

Looking through the archives I don't think I've asked this before. If there is a better way, and I'd not be surprised, feel free to suggest it.  ;)

My project is a character sheet for a game. Each character has a different set of skills, and each skill has a sub-skill called a "knack". A character can have a rank of 0-5 in a knack. "0" means they don't have that knack. Skills are not ranked; you just have it or not. For example, a character might have the Skill "Hunter" and have the knacks "Fishing (2)", "Stealth (2)", and "Tracking (1)". A character may or may not have all the knacks in a skill. Some knacks are in more than one skill.

Each Skill and Knack has a unique short name like "hntr", "fshng", and "stlth". I've been using the short name as array keys. The character sheet pulls the list of skills that character has and then looks up what knacks are in that skill. It then writes the Skill header, lists each knack and the rank the character has in that knack. 

The current problem is that I'm using an included file that manually sets the array $htnr to have the knacks "fshg", "stlth", etc. I'd rather, if possible, have the array built from a database pull. I'm failing because I don't know how to iterate through a list and make the list item an array, and then populate the array with the knacks.

Line from the included file:

$hntr = array( "ambsh", "anmltn", "fshg", "sknng", "stlth", "srvl", "trkng", "trlsgns", "trps"  );


So far the code looks like this:


foreach ( $skills As $s ) {
        $a = $s;
        $s = array ();
        $$s[0] = $a;
        echo "<p>s[0] is $s[0]!   ";
        $skill_knack_query = "select knackID from characters.skill_knacks where skillID='$a'";
        $skill_knack_result = mysql_query("$skill_knack_query", $link_id);
        // echo "skill_knack_result is $skill_knack_result \n";
        while($skill_knack_data = mysql_fetch_array($skill_knack_result)) {
        //      echo "hello $skill_knack_data";
                echo " <p> hello $skill_knack_data[knackID]";
                array_push($s , $skill_knack_data["$knackID"] );
                }
                echo " <p> s[0] is $s[0]  ";
}

If I comment out the included file and try the above code it gives output like this:

s[0] is ! 
hello ambsh hello anmltn hello fshg hello sknng hello stlth hello srvl hello trkng hello trlsgns hello trps 
s[0] is

So the "echo $skill_knack_data[knackID]" line shows the short name is being gotten, I've just not gotten it onto the array. If I change the bottom "s[0] is $s[0] to higher number it still shows nothing in the array.

It seems easiest to build the array to match the included file, but there may be a better, easier way.

Thoughts? Suggestions? Crude comments?

ciao!

leam




From codebowl at gmail.com  Tue May 31 12:53:11 2005
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 12:53:11 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Making an array from a list item?
In-Reply-To: <20050531164812.GE3104@leitz>
References: <20050531164812.GE3104@leitz>
Message-ID: <8d9a428005053109533af8f00c@mail.gmail.com>

Leam,

how is your database structure setup i mean what is it you want a single 
dimensional array or a 2 dimensional array?

i see you have this currently

$hntr = array( "ambsh", "anmltn", "fshg", "sknng", "stlth", "srvl", "trkng", 
"trlsgns", "trps" );

are the values stored in the db and you just want them pulled into an array?

are each of the values above going to be an array itself?


-- 
Joseph Crawford Jr.
Codebowl Solutions
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From rsd at electronink.com  Tue May 31 12:53:32 2005
From: rsd at electronink.com (Russ Demarest)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 12:53:32 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] HTML -> PDF
In-Reply-To: <1F3CD8DDFB6A9B4C9B8DD06E4A7DE358EF23D3@network.PLMresearch.com>
References: <1F3CD8DDFB6A9B4C9B8DD06E4A7DE358EF23D3@network.PLMresearch.com>
Message-ID: <AD07F57D-A987-4F37-831F-33D9F080B63B@electronink.com>

If you create the PDF on the server then pass it to the browser it  
may work better. I am not sure of heavy load on a thing like this but  
it has worked for me.

     Have HTMLDOC output the file to the server. Then open that and  
feed it back to the browser.

                 $out_pdf=fopen($file_out,'rb');
                 $fisz = filesize($file_out);

                 # Write the content type to the client...
                 header("Cache-Control: ");// leave blank to avoid IE  
errors
                 header("Pragma: ");// leave blank to avoid IE errors
                 header("Content-type: application/octet-stream");
                 header("Content-Disposition: attachment; filename= 
\"my_pdf.pdf\"");
                 header("Content-length: ".(string)($fisz));
                 flush();

                 fpassthru($out_pdf);
                 fclose($out_pdf);

                 exit;


     Remember to create the file and set the permissions so the  
webserver can write to it. Also you may want to delete the HTML and  
PDF after generation depending on security issues.

     Good Luck


On May 31, 2005, at 12:46 PM, Mark Withington wrote:

> Hah!  We're getting closer.  Saved the file to disk (locally) first  
> and then
> opened it without a problem.  Any thoughts?
>
> Really appreciate all the help.  Had I asked sooner, I might have  
> gotten
> more sleep last night.
>
>
> --------------------------
> Mark L. Withington
> PLMresearch
> "eBusiness for the Midsize Enterprise"
> PO Box 1354
> Plymouth, MA  02362
> o: 800-310-3992 ext. 704
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> v: 508-746-2383
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> Netscape/AOL/MSN IM: PLMresearch
> mwithington at plmresearch.com
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> http://www.plmdev.com/plmr/plmresearch.com/keys/MLW_public_key.asc
> Calendar: http://www.plmdev.com/plmr/plmresearch.com/calendar.php
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Russ Demarest
> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 12:35 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] HTML -> PDF
>
>
> You should be able to right click on a link to the PDF and select
> "Save Link As".
>
> Good Luck
>
> On May 31, 2005, at 12:29 PM, Mark Withington wrote:
>
>
>> Don't save on the server.  Will try saving the file and then
>> opening it.  As
>> I recall, I need to adjust Acrobat for this.
>>
>>
>> --------------------------
>> Mark L. Withington
>> PLMresearch
>> "eBusiness for the Midsize Enterprise"
>> PO Box 1354
>> Plymouth, MA  02362
>> o: 800-310-3992 ext. 704
>> f: 508-746-4973
>> v: 508-746-2383
>> m: 508-801-0181
>> http://www.PLMresearch.com
>> Netscape/AOL/MSN IM: PLMresearch
>> mwithington at plmresearch.com
>> Public Key:
>> http://www.plmdev.com/plmr/plmresearch.com/keys/MLW_public_key.asc
>> Calendar: http://www.plmdev.com/plmr/plmresearch.com/calendar.php
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
>> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Russ Demarest
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 12:27 PM
>> To: NYPHP Talk
>> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] HTML -> PDF
>>
>>
>> Are you saving saving the PDF file on the server then sending it to
>> the browser/acrobat? Acrobat may think something is wrong if it
>> stalls while HTMLDOC is generating the doc. Is it a large document?
>> If you save what is generated my HTMLDOC on your local machine then
>> open it with Acrobat does it work?
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 31, 2005, at 11:56 AM, Mark Withington wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Thanks for the great input.  I'm really stumped.  The pages are
>>> dynamically
>>> generated.  If I simply save that as HTML and then run it through
>>> HTMLDOC;
>>> no problem.  When I run it, generated on the fly, the page throws
>>> an error.
>>> Even stranger, the page prints correctly with other data (HTML
>>> generated
>>> from a mysql db) and even display correctly via HTMLDOC through
>>> another
>>> (similar) application using the same database.
>>>
>>> Does anyone know if there is an error log file in Acrobat?  The  
>>> debug
>>> message is pretty weak, ""the file is damaged and could not be
>>> repaired"
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------------
>>> Mark L. Withington
>>> PLMresearch
>>> "eBusiness for the Midsize Enterprise"
>>> PO Box 1354
>>> Plymouth, MA  02362
>>> o: 800-310-3992 ext. 704
>>> f: 508-746-4973
>>> v: 508-746-2383
>>> m: 508-801-0181
>>> http://www.PLMresearch.com
>>> Netscape/AOL/MSN IM: PLMresearch
>>> mwithington at plmresearch.com
>>> Public Key:
>>> http://www.plmdev.com/plmr/plmresearch.com/keys/MLW_public_key.asc
>>> Calendar: http://www.plmdev.com/plmr/plmresearch.com/calendar.php
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Russ Demarest
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 9:13 AM
>>> To: NYPHP Talk
>>> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] HTML -> PDF
>>>
>>>
>>> HTMLDOC is a great app but it could be many things. Did your HTML
>>> change? Is the HTML for the PDF generated dynamically? If so,  
>>> perhaps
>>> someone entered a strange character or something else that is
>>> creating the bad PDF. Have you checked the HTMLDOC forums?
>>>
>>> http://htmldoc.org/
>>>
>>> Does it generate some pages correctly and not others? I usually have
>>> to work it down until I can find a hanging white space or stray tag
>>> that is problematic. Does the PDF open in any other reader? The
>>> encryption might be causing an issue, are you using that? Best  
>>> bet is
>>> to try to recreate the error in a controlled environment, ie. simple
>>> HTML.
>>>
>>> Good Luck
>>>
>>> On May 31, 2005, at 8:59 AM, Mark Withington wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I've been using htmldoc-1.8.23 for quite sometime to convert HTML
>>>> to PDF's
>>>> on the fly.  Recently I've been getting a lot of intermittent "the
>>>> file is
>>>> damaged and could not be repaired" messages from Acrobat.  Has
>>>> anyone had
>>>> experience tracking down errors like this?  Any suggestion for
>>>> other HTML -
>>>> PDF (preferably php based) scripts that might work - I need to
>>>> convert
>>>> images and text.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------
>>>> Mark L. Withington
>>>> PLMresearch
>>>> "eBusiness for the Midsize Enterprise"
>>>> PO Box 1354
>>>> Plymouth, MA  02362
>>>> o: 800-310-3992 ext. 704
>>>> f: 508-746-4973
>>>> v: 508-746-2383
>>>> m: 508-801-0181
>>>> http://www.PLMresearch.com
>>>> Netscape/AOL/MSN IM: PLMresearch
>>>> mwithington at plmresearch.com
>>>> Public Key:
>>>> http://www.plmdev.com/plmr/plmresearch.com/keys/MLW_public_key.asc
>>>> Calendar: http://www.plmdev.com/plmr/plmresearch.com/calendar.php
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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From mwithington at PLMresearch.com  Tue May 31 13:02:05 2005
From: mwithington at PLMresearch.com (Mark Withington)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 13:02:05 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] HTML -> PDF
Message-ID: <1F3CD8DDFB6A9B4C9B8DD06E4A7DE358D6A293@network.PLMresearch.com>

Really appreciate it Russ.  Will give that a try.

Mark

--------------------------
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PLMresearch
v: 508-746-2383
m: 508-801-0181
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org 
> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of Russ Demarest
> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 12:54 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] HTML -> PDF
> 
> 
> If you create the PDF on the server then pass it to the browser it  
> may work better. I am not sure of heavy load on a thing like 
> this but  
> it has worked for me.
> 
>      Have HTMLDOC output the file to the server. Then open that and  
> feed it back to the browser.
> 
>                  $out_pdf=fopen($file_out,'rb');
>                  $fisz = filesize($file_out);
> 
>                  # Write the content type to the client...
>                  header("Cache-Control: ");// leave blank to 
> avoid IE  
> errors
>                  header("Pragma: ");// leave blank to avoid IE errors
>                  header("Content-type: application/octet-stream");
>                  header("Content-Disposition: attachment; filename= 
> \"my_pdf.pdf\"");
>                  header("Content-length: ".(string)($fisz));
>                  flush();
> 
>                  fpassthru($out_pdf);
>                  fclose($out_pdf);
> 
>                  exit;
> 
> 
>      Remember to create the file and set the permissions so the  
> webserver can write to it. Also you may want to delete the HTML and  
> PDF after generation depending on security issues.
> 
>      Good Luck
> 
> 
> On May 31, 2005, at 12:46 PM, Mark Withington wrote:
> 
> > Hah!  We're getting closer.  Saved the file to disk (locally) first
> > and then
> > opened it without a problem.  Any thoughts?
> >
> > Really appreciate all the help.  Had I asked sooner, I might have
> > gotten
> > more sleep last night.
> >
> >
> > --------------------------
> > Mark L. Withington
> > PLMresearch
> > "eBusiness for the Midsize Enterprise"
> > PO Box 1354
> > Plymouth, MA  02362
> > o: 800-310-3992 ext. 704
> > f: 508-746-4973
> > v: 508-746-2383
> > m: 508-801-0181
> > http://www.PLMresearch.com
> > Netscape/AOL/MSN IM: PLMresearch
> > mwithington at plmresearch.com
> > Public Key:
> > http://www.plmdev.com/plmr/plmresearch.com/keys/MLW_public_key.asc
> > Calendar: http://www.plmdev.com/plmr/plmresearch.com/calendar.php
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
> > [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Russ Demarest
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 12:35 PM
> > To: NYPHP Talk
> > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] HTML -> PDF
> >
> >
> > You should be able to right click on a link to the PDF and select
> > "Save Link As".
> >
> > Good Luck
> >
> > On May 31, 2005, at 12:29 PM, Mark Withington wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Don't save on the server.  Will try saving the file and then
> >> opening it.  As
> >> I recall, I need to adjust Acrobat for this.
> >>
> >>
> >> --------------------------
> >> Mark L. Withington
> >> PLMresearch
> >> "eBusiness for the Midsize Enterprise"
> >> PO Box 1354
> >> Plymouth, MA  02362
> >> o: 800-310-3992 ext. 704
> >> f: 508-746-4973
> >> v: 508-746-2383
> >> m: 508-801-0181
> >> http://www.PLMresearch.com
> >> Netscape/AOL/MSN IM: PLMresearch
> >> mwithington at plmresearch.com
> >> Public Key:
> >> http://www.plmdev.com/plmr/plmresearch.com/keys/MLW_public_key.asc
> >> Calendar: http://www.plmdev.com/plmr/plmresearch.com/calendar.php
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
> >> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Russ Demarest
> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 12:27 PM
> >> To: NYPHP Talk
> >> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] HTML -> PDF
> >>
> >>
> >> Are you saving saving the PDF file on the server then sending it to
> >> the browser/acrobat? Acrobat may think something is wrong if it
> >> stalls while HTMLDOC is generating the doc. Is it a large document?
> >> If you save what is generated my HTMLDOC on your local machine then
> >> open it with Acrobat does it work?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On May 31, 2005, at 11:56 AM, Mark Withington wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Thanks for the great input.  I'm really stumped.  The pages are
> >>> dynamically
> >>> generated.  If I simply save that as HTML and then run it through
> >>> HTMLDOC;
> >>> no problem.  When I run it, generated on the fly, the page throws
> >>> an error.
> >>> Even stranger, the page prints correctly with other data (HTML
> >>> generated
> >>> from a mysql db) and even display correctly via HTMLDOC through
> >>> another
> >>> (similar) application using the same database.
> >>>
> >>> Does anyone know if there is an error log file in Acrobat?  The  
> >>> debug
> >>> message is pretty weak, ""the file is damaged and could not be
> >>> repaired"
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --------------------------
> >>> Mark L. Withington
> >>> PLMresearch
> >>> "eBusiness for the Midsize Enterprise"
> >>> PO Box 1354
> >>> Plymouth, MA  02362
> >>> o: 800-310-3992 ext. 704
> >>> f: 508-746-4973
> >>> v: 508-746-2383
> >>> m: 508-801-0181
> >>> http://www.PLMresearch.com
> >>> Netscape/AOL/MSN IM: PLMresearch
> >>> mwithington at plmresearch.com
> >>> Public Key:
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> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
> >>> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Russ Demarest
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 9:13 AM
> >>> To: NYPHP Talk
> >>> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] HTML -> PDF
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> HTMLDOC is a great app but it could be many things. Did your HTML
> >>> change? Is the HTML for the PDF generated dynamically? If so,  
> >>> perhaps
> >>> someone entered a strange character or something else that is
> >>> creating the bad PDF. Have you checked the HTMLDOC forums?
> >>>
> >>> http://htmldoc.org/
> >>>
> >>> Does it generate some pages correctly and not others? I 
> usually have
> >>> to work it down until I can find a hanging white space or 
> stray tag
> >>> that is problematic. Does the PDF open in any other reader? The
> >>> encryption might be causing an issue, are you using that? Best  
> >>> bet is
> >>> to try to recreate the error in a controlled environment, 
> ie. simple
> >>> HTML.
> >>>
> >>> Good Luck
> >>>
> >>> On May 31, 2005, at 8:59 AM, Mark Withington wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> I've been using htmldoc-1.8.23 for quite sometime to convert HTML
> >>>> to PDF's
> >>>> on the fly.  Recently I've been getting a lot of 
> intermittent "the
> >>>> file is
> >>>> damaged and could not be repaired" messages from Acrobat.  Has
> >>>> anyone had
> >>>> experience tracking down errors like this?  Any suggestion for
> >>>> other HTML -
> >>>> PDF (preferably php based) scripts that might work - I need to
> >>>> convert
> >>>> images and text.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>>
> >>>> Mark
> >>>>
> >>>>
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From dcech at phpwerx.net  Tue May 31 13:04:08 2005
From: dcech at phpwerx.net (Dan Cech)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 13:04:08 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Making an array from a list item?
In-Reply-To: <20050531164812.GE3104@leitz>
References: <20050531164812.GE3104@leitz>
Message-ID: <429C9908.7000000@phpwerx.net>

Try:

$output = array();

$query = 'select skillID,knackID from characters.skill_knacks';
$result = mysql_query($query,$link_id);

while($row = mysql_fetch_array($result)) {
   if (empty($output[$row['skillID']])) {
     $output[$row['skillID']] = array();
   }
   $output[$row['skillID']][] = $row['knackID'];
}

print_r($output);

Dan

leam at reuel.net wrote:
> Trying to read code from last year. *sigh* At least it isn't as difficult as perl...
> 
> Looking through the archives I don't think I've asked this before. If there is a better way, and I'd not be surprised, feel free to suggest it.  ;)
> 
> My project is a character sheet for a game. Each character has a different set of skills, and each skill has a sub-skill called a "knack". A character can have a rank of 0-5 in a knack. "0" means they don't have that knack. Skills are not ranked; you just have it or not. For example, a character might have the Skill "Hunter" and have the knacks "Fishing (2)", "Stealth (2)", and "Tracking (1)". A character may or may not have all the knacks in a skill. Some knacks are in more than one skill.
> 
> Each Skill and Knack has a unique short name like "hntr", "fshng", and "stlth". I've been using the short name as array keys. The character sheet pulls the list of skills that character has and then looks up what knacks are in that skill. It then writes the Skill header, lists each knack and the rank the character has in that knack. 
> 
> The current problem is that I'm using an included file that manually sets the array $htnr to have the knacks "fshg", "stlth", etc. I'd rather, if possible, have the array built from a database pull. I'm failing because I don't know how to iterate through a list and make the list item an array, and then populate the array with the knacks.
> 
> Line from the included file:
> 
> $hntr = array( "ambsh", "anmltn", "fshg", "sknng", "stlth", "srvl", "trkng", "trlsgns", "trps"  );
> 
> 
> So far the code looks like this:
> 
> 
> foreach ( $skills As $s ) {
>         $a = $s;
>         $s = array ();
>         $$s[0] = $a;
>         echo "<p>s[0] is $s[0]!   ";
>         $skill_knack_query = "select knackID from characters.skill_knacks where skillID='$a'";
>         $skill_knack_result = mysql_query("$skill_knack_query", $link_id);
>         // echo "skill_knack_result is $skill_knack_result \n";
>         while($skill_knack_data = mysql_fetch_array($skill_knack_result)) {
>         //      echo "hello $skill_knack_data";
>                 echo " <p> hello $skill_knack_data[knackID]";
>                 array_push($s , $skill_knack_data["$knackID"] );
>                 }
>                 echo " <p> s[0] is $s[0]  ";
> }
> 
> If I comment out the included file and try the above code it gives output like this:
> 
> s[0] is ! 
> hello ambsh hello anmltn hello fshg hello sknng hello stlth hello srvl hello trkng hello trlsgns hello trps 
> s[0] is
> 
> So the "echo $skill_knack_data[knackID]" line shows the short name is being gotten, I've just not gotten it onto the array. If I change the bottom "s[0] is $s[0] to higher number it still shows nothing in the array.
> 
> It seems easiest to build the array to match the included file, but there may be a better, easier way.
> 
> Thoughts? Suggestions? Crude comments?
> 
> ciao!
> 
> leam
> 
> 
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From leam at reuel.net  Tue May 31 13:12:21 2005
From: leam at reuel.net (leam at reuel.net)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 13:12:21 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Making an array from a list item?
In-Reply-To: <8d9a428005053109533af8f00c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20050531164812.GE3104@leitz>
	<8d9a428005053109533af8f00c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20050531171221.GG3104@leitz>

The line $hntr is in a text file that is included. I'd like to create an array $hntr from, for example, list item $skills[4] which is hntr. 

Once $hntr is an array the elements are not going to become arrays. But the elements are keys for other arrays.

What I'd like to do is build the array $htnr from a database, not a text file.

Does that make more sense? Neither brain cell is particularly energetic at the moment, sorry. I think it's time for a couple hours break and then back to it.

ciao!

leam


On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 12:53:11PM -0400, Joseph Crawford wrote:
> Leam,
> 
> how is your database structure setup i mean what is it you want a single 
> dimensional array or a 2 dimensional array?
> 
> i see you have this currently
> 
> $hntr = array( "ambsh", "anmltn", "fshg", "sknng", "stlth", "srvl", "trkng", 
> "trlsgns", "trps" );
> 
> are the values stored in the db and you just want them pulled into an array?
> 
> are each of the values above going to be an array itself?


From adam at ecamp.net  Tue May 31 13:27:54 2005
From: adam at ecamp.net (Adam Helfgott)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 13:27:54 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Making an array from a list item?
In-Reply-To: <20050531164812.GE3104@leitz>
References: <20050531164812.GE3104@leitz>
Message-ID: <04F5648B-9299-47FF-AB81-48361F566FA7@ecamp.net>

not exactly clear what you want your array to look like at the end,
but using the following style should let u have better control over  
the keys and values of your array - but again your email wasnt too  
clear on what end you are trying to achieve

while (list($key,$value) = each($hntr))       {
          $skill_knack_query = "select knackID from  
characters.skill_knacks where skillID='".$v."'";
         $skill_knack_result = mysql_query("$skill_knack_query",  
$link_id);
         ..
}


On May 31, 2005, at 12:48 PM, leam at reuel.net wrote:

> Trying to read code from last year. *sigh* At least it isn't as  
> difficult as perl...
>
> Looking through the archives I don't think I've asked this before.  
> If there is a better way, and I'd not be surprised, feel free to  
> suggest it.  ;)
>
> My project is a character sheet for a game. Each character has a  
> different set of skills, and each skill has a sub-skill called a  
> "knack". A character can have a rank of 0-5 in a knack. "0" means  
> they don't have that knack. Skills are not ranked; you just have it  
> or not. For example, a character might have the Skill "Hunter" and  
> have the knacks "Fishing (2)", "Stealth (2)", and "Tracking (1)". A  
> character may or may not have all the knacks in a skill. Some  
> knacks are in more than one skill.
>
> Each Skill and Knack has a unique short name like "hntr", "fshng",  
> and "stlth". I've been using the short name as array keys. The  
> character sheet pulls the list of skills that character has and  
> then looks up what knacks are in that skill. It then writes the  
> Skill header, lists each knack and the rank the character has in  
> that knack.
>
> The current problem is that I'm using an included file that  
> manually sets the array $htnr to have the knacks "fshg", "stlth",  
> etc. I'd rather, if possible, have the array built from a database  
> pull. I'm failing because I don't know how to iterate through a  
> list and make the list item an array, and then populate the array  
> with the knacks.
>
> Line from the included file:
>
> $hntr = array( "ambsh", "anmltn", "fshg", "sknng", "stlth", "srvl",  
> "trkng", "trlsgns", "trps"  );
>
>
> So far the code looks like this:
>
>
> foreach ( $skills As $s ) {
>         $a = $s;
>         $s = array ();
>         $$s[0] = $a;
>         echo "<p>s[0] is $s[0]!   ";
>         $skill_knack_query = "select knackID from  
> characters.skill_knacks where skillID='$a'";
>         $skill_knack_result = mysql_query("$skill_knack_query",  
> $link_id);
>         // echo "skill_knack_result is $skill_knack_result \n";
>         while($skill_knack_data = mysql_fetch_array 
> ($skill_knack_result)) {
>         //      echo "hello $skill_knack_data";
>                 echo " <p> hello $skill_knack_data[knackID]";
>                 array_push($s , $skill_knack_data["$knackID"] );
>                 }
>                 echo " <p> s[0] is $s[0]  ";
> }
>
> If I comment out the included file and try the above code it gives  
> output like this:
>
> s[0] is !
> hello ambsh hello anmltn hello fshg hello sknng hello stlth hello  
> srvl hello trkng hello trlsgns hello trps
> s[0] is
>
> So the "echo $skill_knack_data[knackID]" line shows the short name  
> is being gotten, I've just not gotten it onto the array. If I  
> change the bottom "s[0] is $s[0] to higher number it still shows  
> nothing in the array.
>
> It seems easiest to build the array to match the included file, but  
> there may be a better, easier way.
>
> Thoughts? Suggestions? Crude comments?
>
> ciao!
>
> leam
>
>
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From mitch.pirtle at gmail.com  Tue May 31 14:05:26 2005
From: mitch.pirtle at gmail.com (Mitch Pirtle)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 14:05:26 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] PHP Magazine OR PHP Architect
In-Reply-To: <8d9a4280050531082776103011@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d9a4280050531082776103011@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <330532b605053111054ad355a0@mail.gmail.com>

Some of us write for both, so you can take your pick - otherwise we
are biased ;-)

-- Mitch

On 5/31/05, Joseph Crawford <codebowl at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello again,
>  
>  can anyone here give me thier thoughts on both of these publications.  I
> wish to subscribe to one of them but i am not sure which one has the best
> content.  The price doesnt matter to me, i just want the best content for
> the buck ;)
> 
> -- 
> Joseph Crawford Jr.
> Codebowl Solutions
> codebowl at gmail.com 
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From scott at crisscott.com  Tue May 31 14:07:34 2005
From: scott at crisscott.com (Scott Mattocks)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 14:07:34 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Protected Constructor and Extended Classes
Message-ID: <429CA7E6.6070801@crisscott.com>

Hello,

I have a question about constructor visibility in extended classes. Take 
a look at this example:

<?php
class Goo {

   public $stuff = '';

   // Note the protected constructor.
   protected function __construct($stuff)
   {
     $this->stuff = $stuff;
   }

   public function printStuff()
   {
     echo $this->stuff . "\n";
   }
}

class Foo extends Goo {

   public static function getGoo($stuff)
   {
     return new Goo($stuff);
   }
}

$goo = Foo::getGoo('test stuff');
$goo->printStuff();

// This throws a fatal error as I would expect.
//$goo2 = new Goo('goo too');
?>

The subclass is allowed to call new Goo() even though the constructor is 
declared protected. I understand that the constructor is visible to the 
subclass and what not but something just seems off about this. I would 
expect $this->__construct() to work fine but that has a whole different 
effect. In my understanding the new operator is a public action even if 
it is called within an extended class. Is this behavior expected? I want 
to take advantage of this, but if it is going to be changed in a future 
release I can't really depend on it.

Thanks,
-- 
Scott Mattocks
scott at crisscott.com
http://www.crisscott.com