From david at davidmintz.org  Wed Mar  4 10:49:01 2009
From: david at davidmintz.org (David Mintz)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 10:49:01 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] the stale V in MVC web apps
Message-ID: <721f1cc50903040749s327b2a1fh55caccb5386db238@mail.gmail.com>

I've got users working collaboratively all day long on a set of database
records. The view in front of them is frequently stale. A common old Web 1.0
approach to solve this was to reload the page automatically every n seconds
with a meta refresh. Nowadays we have xhr. Either way, my concern is as the
W3C points out, an unexpected refresh can disorient users.

I have thought of displaying a thingy at page load time that says "reloading
automatically in 5 minutes" and then updating via Javscript it to count
down  4, 3, 2 and after maybe 30 seconds start counting off seconds, then
update via ajax. The upside is they won't get (or at least shouldn't be)
surprised. The downside is more clutter, potentially annoying and/or
distracting. But I think you could put a discrete little timer thingy that
ought not be too irritating.

I understand the problem is so common that someone has coined "Asynchronous
MVC."

What do YOU do about this sort of thing?

-- 
David Mintz
http://davidmintz.org/

The subtle source is clear and bright
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From brenttech at gmail.com  Wed Mar  4 11:34:46 2009
From: brenttech at gmail.com (Brent Baisley)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 11:34:46 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] the stale V in MVC web apps
In-Reply-To: <721f1cc50903040749s327b2a1fh55caccb5386db238@mail.gmail.com>
References: <721f1cc50903040749s327b2a1fh55caccb5386db238@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5d515c620903040834p6cea4e12l72087bce44deeed8@mail.gmail.com>

Use AJAX instead to refresh just the part of the page that needs
refreshing. If it's a fair chunk of information, you set a "version"
on the server so the AJAX call just checks the current version vs it's
version. If it's different, then you refresh the content. If it's not
different, no need to refresh anything and you only did a light weight
server call, so you could do it every 15 seconds.

Brent Baisley

On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:49 AM, David Mintz <david at davidmintz.org> wrote:
>
> I've got users working collaboratively all day long on a set of database
> records. The view in front of them is frequently stale. A common old Web 1.0
> approach to solve this was to reload the page automatically every n seconds
> with a meta refresh. Nowadays we have xhr. Either way, my concern is as the
> W3C points out, an unexpected refresh can disorient users.
>
> I have thought of displaying a thingy at page load time that says "reloading
> automatically in 5 minutes" and then updating via Javscript it to count
> down? 4, 3, 2 and after maybe 30 seconds start counting off seconds, then
> update via ajax. The upside is they won't get (or at least shouldn't be)
> surprised. The downside is more clutter, potentially annoying and/or
> distracting. But I think you could put a discrete little timer thingy that
> ought not be too irritating.
>
> I understand the problem is so common that someone has coined "Asynchronous
> MVC."
>
> What do YOU do about this sort of thing?
>
> --
> David Mintz
> http://davidmintz.org/
>
> The subtle source is clear and bright
> The tributary streams flow through the darkness
>
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
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From jmcgraw1 at gmail.com  Wed Mar  4 11:35:33 2009
From: jmcgraw1 at gmail.com (Jake McGraw)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 11:35:33 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] the stale V in MVC web apps
In-Reply-To: <721f1cc50903040749s327b2a1fh55caccb5386db238@mail.gmail.com>
References: <721f1cc50903040749s327b2a1fh55caccb5386db238@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e065b8610903040835q65f8c764ofcf0b3fd05cfe436@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:49 AM, David Mintz <david at davidmintz.org> wrote:
>
> I've got users working collaboratively all day long on a set of database
> records. The view in front of them is frequently stale. A common old Web 1.0
> approach to solve this was to reload the page automatically every n seconds
> with a meta refresh. Nowadays we have xhr. Either way, my concern is as the
> W3C points out, an unexpected refresh can disorient users.

What the W3C recommendations fail to take into account, is that you're
developing a web application, not a static text reference. Since
you're presenting information that will be meaningless after five
minutes, the "web page as a permanent reference" paradigm can be
thrown out the window. Feel free to employ any method to solve the
problem.

>
> I have thought of displaying a thingy at page load time that says "reloading
> automatically in 5 minutes" and then updating via Javscript it to count
> down? 4, 3, 2 and after maybe 30 seconds start counting off seconds, then
> update via ajax. The upside is they won't get (or at least shouldn't be)
> surprised. The downside is more clutter, potentially annoying and/or
> distracting. But I think you could put a discrete little timer thingy that
> ought not be too irritating.
>
> I understand the problem is so common that someone has coined "Asynchronous
> MVC."

Really depends on the interval at which the information becomes stale.
I would probably go with the timer idea, but provide a text
description for how old the data is:

Information is X minutes old.

Implementing a feature like this is trivial, so, I suggest setting up
a stripped down version and see what the end user response is.

- jake

>
> What do YOU do about this sort of thing?
>
> --
> David Mintz
> http://davidmintz.org/
>
> The subtle source is clear and bright
> The tributary streams flow through the darkness
>
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
>


From jcampbell1 at gmail.com  Wed Mar  4 11:50:34 2009
From: jcampbell1 at gmail.com (John Campbell)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 11:50:34 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] the stale V in MVC web apps
In-Reply-To: <721f1cc50903040749s327b2a1fh55caccb5386db238@mail.gmail.com>
References: <721f1cc50903040749s327b2a1fh55caccb5386db238@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8f0676b40903040850o6a5209f4i4d2bfe7c750a0cbd@mail.gmail.com>

I use AJAX polling loops to check if the data is actually stale, and
then do something about it.  It can be complicated as auto updating
the sections of the page that have changed, and then doing the
"yellow-fade".  If you don't want to get fancy, you could just show a
dialogue that let's the user know the data is stale, and give them the
option to refresh.

Writing an ajax polling loop is really quite simple... just make sure
you use tail recursion, rather than an interval.  I have made that
mistake in the past, and it hurts.

Dont do:

setInterval(checkStatus,3000);

Do:

// checkStatus must have a callback parameter when complete.
(function() {
  var this_function = arguments.callee;
   checkStatus(function(){
     setTimeout(this_function,3000);
   });
})();


On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:49 AM, David Mintz <david at davidmintz.org> wrote:
>
> I've got users working collaboratively all day long on a set of database
> records. The view in front of them is frequently stale. A common old Web 1.0
> approach to solve this was to reload the page automatically every n seconds
> with a meta refresh. Nowadays we have xhr. Either way, my concern is as the
> W3C points out, an unexpected refresh can disorient users.
>
> I have thought of displaying a thingy at page load time that says "reloading
> automatically in 5 minutes" and then updating via Javscript it to count
> down? 4, 3, 2 and after maybe 30 seconds start counting off seconds, then
> update via ajax. The upside is they won't get (or at least shouldn't be)
> surprised. The downside is more clutter, potentially annoying and/or
> distracting. But I think you could put a discrete little timer thingy that
> ought not be too irritating.
>
>
> What do YOU do about this sort of thing?
>
> --
> David Mintz
> http://davidmintz.org/
>
> The subtle source is clear and bright
> The tributary streams flow through the darkness
>
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
>


From ioplex at gmail.com  Wed Mar  4 11:51:51 2009
From: ioplex at gmail.com (Michael B Allen)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 11:51:51 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] the stale V in MVC web apps
In-Reply-To: <721f1cc50903040749s327b2a1fh55caccb5386db238@mail.gmail.com>
References: <721f1cc50903040749s327b2a1fh55caccb5386db238@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <78c6bd860903040851o14e7394k263ac658937c9371@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:49 AM, David Mintz <david at davidmintz.org> wrote:
>
> I've got users working collaboratively all day long on a set of database
> records. The view in front of them is frequently stale. A common old Web 1.0
> approach to solve this was to reload the page automatically every n seconds
> with a meta refresh. Nowadays we have xhr. Either way, my concern is as the
> W3C points out, an unexpected refresh can disorient users.

IMO the W3C doesn't know much about dynamic web content. The W3C
specifications are designed around displaying "documents" and not
"interactive applications". So if you want a site that looks something
like say, mmmm .... the W3C website, then you're gold. If not, you
need to look elsewhere for help.

> I have thought of displaying a thingy at page load time that says "reloading
> automatically in 5 minutes" and then updating via Javscript it to count
> down? 4, 3, 2 and after maybe 30 seconds start counting off seconds, then
> update via ajax. The upside is they won't get (or at least shouldn't be)
> surprised. The downside is more clutter, potentially annoying and/or
> distracting. But I think you could put a discrete little timer thingy that
> ought not be too irritating.
>
> I understand the problem is so common that someone has coined "Asynchronous
> MVC."

IMO I don't think MVC really even applies to the web. V is supposed to
watch M which is updated by C thereby causing V to update only the
part of the display affected. So with HTTP being stateless, V can't
actively "watch" M and react independently to updates by C. I think
people wanted MVC to apply to the web so much they simply declared it
so and "poof" ... it was.

> What do YOU do about this sort of thing?

I think asynchronous JavaScript requests are used way too much but it
might be applicable in this case. The litmus test in this case I think
is to imagine that you just use a "Refresh" button. Then imagine
people working and think about how frequently the display will update
just in the course of doing that work and if those updates will be
sufficient to keep the wheels of workflow turning. If you do not think
it will be sufficient and you think that users will ultimately just
sit there literally hitting "Refresh" every 30 seconds all day long,
then you should think about adding asynchronous JavaScript to assist
with updating the records in the display.

Mike

-- 
Michael B Allen
Java Active Directory Integration
http://www.ioplex.com/


From vtbludgeon at gmail.com  Wed Mar  4 11:53:16 2009
From: vtbludgeon at gmail.com (David Mintz)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 11:53:16 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] the stale V in MVC web apps
In-Reply-To: <5d515c620903040834p6cea4e12l72087bce44deeed8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <721f1cc50903040749s327b2a1fh55caccb5386db238@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Brent Baisley <brenttech at gmail.com> wrote:

> Use AJAX instead to refresh just the part of the page that needs
> refreshing. If it's a fair chunk of information, you set a "version"
> on the server so the AJAX call just checks the current version vs it's
> version. If it's different, then you refresh the content. If it's not
> different, no need to refresh anything and you only did a light weight
> server call, so you could do it every 15 seconds.


Forgive me, I don't quite understand *how* you would set the version
information on the server in order to compare.

The Prototype library has an Ajax periodical updater (
http://prototypejs.org/api/ajax/periodicalUpdater) that takes a "decay"
option which "controls the rate at which the request interval grows when the
response is unchanged." The longer the server data stays unchanged, the less
frequently it fetches. Clever and elegant. Something like that would do
nicely, but I have other reasons for tending to prefer JQuery, which doesn't
seem to have a counterpart.

<snip/>

-- 
David Mintz
http://davidmintz.org/

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From vtbludgeon at gmail.com  Wed Mar  4 12:01:47 2009
From: vtbludgeon at gmail.com (David Mintz)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 12:01:47 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] the stale V in MVC web apps
In-Reply-To: <8f0676b40903040850o6a5209f4i4d2bfe7c750a0cbd@mail.gmail.com>
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	<8f0676b40903040850o6a5209f4i4d2bfe7c750a0cbd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <721f1cc50903040901v8c751c2t6136e71189d0bcd1@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 11:50 AM, John Campbell <jcampbell1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I use AJAX polling loops to check if the data is actually stale, and
> then do something about it.



Again, sorry for being dense but I am not sure I understand how this
checking should be performed.

I can imagine possibilities, some of which seem like as much work and
expense as just reloading the data unconditionally.



>
> Writing an ajax polling loop is really quite simple... just make sure
> you use tail recursion, rather than an interval.  I have made that
> mistake in the past, and it hurts.
>
> Dont do:
>
> setInterval(checkStatus,3000);
>
> Do:
>
> // checkStatus must have a callback parameter when complete.
> (function() {
>  var this_function = arguments.callee;
>   checkStatus(function(){
>     setTimeout(this_function,3000);
>   });
> })();
>


Thanks for the tip, but... why is this so?


-- 
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From vtbludgeon at gmail.com  Wed Mar  4 12:10:47 2009
From: vtbludgeon at gmail.com (David Mintz)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 12:10:47 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] the stale V in MVC web apps
In-Reply-To: <721f1cc50903040901v8c751c2t6136e71189d0bcd1@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:01 PM, David Mintz <vtbludgeon at gmail.com> wrote:

> Writing an ajax polling loop is really quite simple... just make sure
>> you use tail recursion, rather than an interval.  I have made that
>> mistake in the past, and it hurts.
>>
> <snip/>



>
> Thanks for the tip, but... why is this so?
>
>
Cancel that, I think
http://blog.paulbonser.com/2007/11/18/extending-javascript-tail-recursion/is
trying to help me out on this one.


-- 
David Mintz
http://davidmintz.org/

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From jcampbell1 at gmail.com  Wed Mar  4 12:17:28 2009
From: jcampbell1 at gmail.com (John Campbell)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 12:17:28 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] the stale V in MVC web apps
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On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 11:53 AM, David Mintz <vtbludgeon at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Brent Baisley <brenttech at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Use AJAX instead to refresh just the part of the page that needs
>> refreshing. If it's a fair chunk of information, you set a "version"
>> on the server so the AJAX call just checks the current version vs it's
>> version. If it's different, then you refresh the content. If it's not
>> different, no need to refresh anything and you only did a light weight
>> server call, so you could do it every 15 seconds.
>
> Forgive me, I don't quite understand *how* you would set the version
> information on the server in order to compare.

In many cases, you can get away with using timestamps.  If you have
update_at columns, then you can compare the timestamps.  In theory,
there are problems with this method (such as updates that happen
during the same second), but in practice, it works quite well.


From bonsaime at gmail.com  Wed Mar  4 12:12:33 2009
From: bonsaime at gmail.com (Jesse Callaway)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 12:12:33 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] the stale V in MVC web apps
In-Reply-To: <721f1cc50903040853u812149by6325e90c506fa8d9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <721f1cc50903040749s327b2a1fh55caccb5386db238@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 11:53 AM, David Mintz <vtbludgeon at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Brent Baisley <brenttech at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Use AJAX instead to refresh just the part of the page that needs
>> refreshing. If it's a fair chunk of information, you set a "version"
>> on the server so the AJAX call just checks the current version vs it's
>> version. If it's different, then you refresh the content. If it's not
>> different, no need to refresh anything and you only did a light weight
>> server call, so you could do it every 15 seconds.
>
> Forgive me, I don't quite understand *how* you would set the version
> information on the server in order to compare.
>
> The Prototype library has an Ajax periodical updater
> (http://prototypejs.org/api/ajax/periodicalUpdater) that takes a "decay"
> option which "controls the rate at which the request interval grows when the
> response is unchanged." The longer the server data stays unchanged, the less
> frequently it fetches. Clever and elegant. Something like that would do
> nicely, but I have other reasons for tending to prefer JQuery, which doesn't
> seem to have a counterpart.
>
> <snip/>
>
> --
> David Mintz
> http://davidmintz.org/
>
> The subtle source is clear and bright
> The tributary streams flow through the darkness
>
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
>

You could md5 the data returned on the last update. This decay stuff looks cool!

-jesse


From jcampbell1 at gmail.com  Wed Mar  4 12:26:23 2009
From: jcampbell1 at gmail.com (John Campbell)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 12:26:23 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] the stale V in MVC web apps
In-Reply-To: <721f1cc50903040910x3b9702a1i689386ea2304e702@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:10 PM, David Mintz <vtbludgeon at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:01 PM, David Mintz <vtbludgeon at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>> Thanks for the tip, but... why is this so?
>>
>
> Cancel that, I think
> http://blog.paulbonser.com/2007/11/18/extending-javascript-tail-recursion/
> is trying to help me out on this one.

The problem is with intervals, is that if someone's connection flakes
out for a minute or two, you end up doing tons of ajax calls that all
overlap causing wacky behavior.  The point of tail recursion is to
wait for the ajax call to complete, before starting the timer to do a
new request.


From ajai at bitblit.net  Wed Mar  4 12:35:19 2009
From: ajai at bitblit.net (Ajai Khattri)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 12:35:19 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] the stale V in MVC web apps
In-Reply-To: <721f1cc50903040749s327b2a1fh55caccb5386db238@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0903041234170.29933-100000@bitblit.net>

On Wed, 4 Mar 2009, David Mintz wrote:

> I've got users working collaboratively all day long on a set of database
> records. The view in front of them is frequently stale. A common old Web 1.0
> approach to solve this was to reload the page automatically every n seconds
> with a meta refresh. Nowadays we have xhr. Either way, my concern is as the
> W3C points out, an unexpected refresh can disorient users.
> 
> I have thought of displaying a thingy at page load time that says "reloading
> automatically in 5 minutes" and then updating via Javscript it to count
> down  4, 3, 2 and after maybe 30 seconds start counting off seconds, then
> update via ajax. The upside is they won't get (or at least shouldn't be)
> surprised. The downside is more clutter, potentially annoying and/or
> distracting. But I think you could put a discrete little timer thingy that
> ought not be too irritating.
> 
> I understand the problem is so common that someone has coined "Asynchronous
> MVC."
> 
> What do YOU do about this sort of thing?

In the future, this might be addressed by Comet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comet_(programming)


-- 
Aj.



From rolan at omnistep.com  Wed Mar  4 12:45:31 2009
From: rolan at omnistep.com (Rolan Yang)
Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 12:45:31 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] the stale V in MVC web apps
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John Campbell wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:10 PM, David Mintz <vtbludgeon at gmail.com> wrote:
>   
> The problem is with intervals, is that if someone's connection flakes
> out for a minute or two, you end up doing tons of ajax calls that all
> overlap causing wacky behavior.  The point of tail recursion is to
> wait for the ajax call to complete, before starting the timer to do a
> new request.

I've written a few ajax page periodic updaters. If the connection flakes 
and the ajax request fails, I usually pop up an alert error message so 
the user is aware that things are currently broken.  Too keep things 
simple, I send a query to the server, get back a timestamp. If that 
timestamp is newer than the current one in memory, then it refreshes the 
entire page. The downside to this is that if someone is actively editing 
fields, they will lose their data. To circumvent this problem, I have a 
"do not refresh" flag  which is set when a user clicks onto any input 
box. The flag is unset with events like onBlur or after a timeout period 
of keyboard/mouse inactivity so the page can refresh (if necessary) when 
idle.

~Rolan



From vtbludgeon at gmail.com  Wed Mar  4 12:48:57 2009
From: vtbludgeon at gmail.com (David Mintz)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 12:48:57 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] the stale V in MVC web apps
In-Reply-To: <8f0676b40903040926x78e2a188w6f30386aee8cad0d@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:26 PM, John Campbell <jcampbell1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:10 PM, David Mintz <vtbludgeon at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:01 PM, David Mintz <vtbludgeon at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >> Thanks for the tip, but... why is this so?
> >>
> >
> > Cancel that, I think
> >
> http://blog.paulbonser.com/2007/11/18/extending-javascript-tail-recursion/
> > is trying to help me out on this one.
>
> The problem is with intervals, is that if someone's connection flakes
> out for a minute or two, you end up doing tons of ajax calls that all
> overlap causing wacky behavior.  The point of tail recursion is to
> wait for the ajax call to complete, before starting the timer to do a
> new request.



Aaah, thank you. Very clearly stated.

I have a page where I *think*  I am doing that albeit in a roundabout way.
When the document loads initially I set the timer. When the xhr completes,
my xhr callback  resets the timer. The interval is five minutes. The
following is with Prototype.

// on load

window.updater = window.setInterval(submitForm,updateInterval);

// and...

submitForm = function(){
	
	$('searchForm').request({
		onCreate:function(response){$('formSubmit').value="Processing..."},
		onComplete:function(xhr){
			// reset timer
  			window.clearInterval(updater);
  			window.updater = window.setInterval(submitForm,updateInterval);
			$('formSubmit').value="Search" // reset button's value
			// etc
			
		}
	});
		
};




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From vtbludgeon at gmail.com  Wed Mar  4 13:07:17 2009
From: vtbludgeon at gmail.com (David Mintz)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 13:07:17 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] the stale V in MVC web apps
In-Reply-To: <8f0676b40903040917x5f67fdcbjad8024a1a77a1198@mail.gmail.com>
References: <721f1cc50903040749s327b2a1fh55caccb5386db238@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:17 PM, John Campbell <jcampbell1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> >> Use AJAX instead to refresh just the part of the page that needs
> >> refreshing. If it's a fair chunk of information, you set a "version"
> >> on the server so the AJAX call just checks the current version vs it's
> >> version. If it's different, then you refresh the content. If it's not
> >> different, no need to refresh anything and you only did a light weight
> >> server call, so you could do it every 15 seconds.
> >
> > Forgive me, I don't quite understand *how* you would set the version
> > information on the server in order to compare.
>
> In many cases, you can get away with using timestamps.  If you have
> update_at columns, then you can compare the timestamps.  In theory,
> there are problems with this method (such as updates that happen
> during the same second), but in practice, it works quite well.
>


Still not sure I get it -- I am competing the for Slowest Mind of the Year
Award.

The users are looking at a set of database rows. The table does have
last-modified and creation-datetime columns. Saving the current set's
maximum last-update and/or created value in the client, and then checking
against the server by running an Ajax request to a server-side script that
in turn queries the db to see if anything has changed... seems like almost
as much overhead as just reloading unconditionally. Indeed more in those
instances where you query to check if something changed, then do another
query to load the data because something did change.

And by "change" I mean in the dataset they are looking at, a row may have
been either created, updated or deleted since they last loaded the view. So
last-modified values would not inform you about deletions.

I don't understand the md5() technique either. I mean, I know about md5()
but don't see how you would use it efficiently for this purpose.

-- 
David Mintz
http://davidmintz.org/

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From ashaw at polymerdb.org  Wed Mar  4 13:09:55 2009
From: ashaw at polymerdb.org (Allen Shaw)
Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 12:09:55 -0600
Subject: [nycphp-talk] the stale V in MVC web apps
In-Reply-To: <721f1cc50903040948v11f2661foaa2d25a19468242b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <721f1cc50903040749s327b2a1fh55caccb5386db238@mail.gmail.com>	<8f0676b40903040850o6a5209f4i4d2bfe7c750a0cbd@mail.gmail.com>	<721f1cc50903040901v8c751c2t6136e71189d0bcd1@mail.gmail.com>	<721f1cc50903040910x3b9702a1i689386ea2304e702@mail.gmail.com>	<8f0676b40903040926x78e2a188w6f30386aee8cad0d@mail.gmail.com>
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David Mintz wrote:
> I have a page where I *think*  I am doing that albeit in a roundabout 
> way.  When the document loads initially I set the timer. When the xhr 
> completes, my xhr callback  resets the timer.
Yes, that's what I was thinking (and what I'm doing).  If the connection 
fails, the xhr callback is never run, so the next timer interval is 
never set.  This should be a stable solution -- right?

- Allen

-- 
Allen Shaw
slidePresenter (http://slides.sourceforge.net)



From vtbludgeon at gmail.com  Wed Mar  4 13:10:35 2009
From: vtbludgeon at gmail.com (David Mintz)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 13:10:35 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] the stale V in MVC web apps
In-Reply-To: <49AEBE3B.10708@omnistep.com>
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On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Rolan Yang <rolan at omnistep.com> wrote:

> John Campbell wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:10 PM, David Mintz <vtbludgeon at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>  The problem is with intervals, is that if someone's connection flakes
>> out for a minute or two, you end up doing tons of ajax calls that all
>> overlap causing wacky behavior.  The point of tail recursion is to
>> wait for the ajax call to complete, before starting the timer to do a
>> new request.
>>
>
> I've written a few ajax page periodic updaters. If the connection flakes
> and the ajax request fails, I usually pop up an alert error message so the
> user is aware that things are currently broken.  Too keep things simple, I
> send a query to the server, get back a timestamp. If that timestamp is newer
> than the current one in memory, then it refreshes the entire page. The
> downside to this is that if someone is actively editing fields, they will
> lose their data. To circumvent this problem, I have a "do not refresh" flag
>  which is set when a user clicks onto any input box. The flag is unset with
> events like onBlur or after a timeout period of keyboard/mouse inactivity so
> the page can refresh (if necessary) when idle.
>
>

I can relate. I have my thing to stop the timer when I detect that they are
in the middle of doing something -- they clicked a row to open a context
menu/tooltip, for example. It's hard work writing polite and thoughtful UIs
isn't it.

-- 
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http://davidmintz.org/

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From ashaw at polymerdb.org  Wed Mar  4 13:12:03 2009
From: ashaw at polymerdb.org (Allen Shaw)
Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 12:12:03 -0600
Subject: [nycphp-talk] the stale V in MVC web apps
In-Reply-To: <721f1cc50903041007w6d303812lbcd707b73cb5fa93@mail.gmail.com>
References: <721f1cc50903040749s327b2a1fh55caccb5386db238@mail.gmail.com>	<5d515c620903040834p6cea4e12l72087bce44deeed8@mail.gmail.com>	<721f1cc50903040853u812149by6325e90c506fa8d9@mail.gmail.com>	<8f0676b40903040917x5f67fdcbjad8024a1a77a1198@mail.gmail.com>
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David Mintz wrote:
> The users are looking at a set of database rows. The table does have  
> last-modified and creation-datetime columns. Saving the current set's 
> maximum last-update and/or created value in the client, and then 
> checking against the server by running an Ajax request to a 
> server-side script that in turn queries the db to see if anything has 
> changed... seems like almost as much overhead as just reloading 
> unconditionally. 
Processing overhead maybe, but you save a big chunk on bandwidth and 
reload time in the user experience.

- A.

-- 
Allen Shaw
slidePresenter (http://slides.sourceforge.net)



From jcampbell1 at gmail.com  Wed Mar  4 13:30:05 2009
From: jcampbell1 at gmail.com (John Campbell)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 13:30:05 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] the stale V in MVC web apps
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On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:48 PM, David Mintz <vtbludgeon at gmail.com> wrote:
> // on load
>
> window.updater = window.setInterval(submitForm,updateInterval);
>
> // and...
>
> submitForm = function(){
> 	
> 	$('searchForm').request({
> 		onCreate:function(response){$('formSubmit').value="Processing..."},
>
> 		onComplete:function(xhr){
> 			// reset timer
>   			window.clearInterval(updater);
>   			window.updater = window.setInterval(submitForm,updateInterval);
> 			$('formSubmit').value="Search" // reset button's value
>
> 			// etc
> 			
> 		}
> 	});
> 		
> };

I don't think your code is quite right.  To validate polling code,
just add "sleep(2)" to your php code, and set the updateInterval to 1
second.  If it doesn't work under these conditions, then the code is
not quite right.

The problem with your code is that you clear the interval onComplete,
rather than onCreate.  It is possible that the interval keeps firing
while onComplete has not been run because the ajax requests are taking
a long time due to a network issue.

To fix it... just change setInterval to setTimeout everywhere, and get
rid if the clearInterval code.


From vtbludgeon at gmail.com  Wed Mar  4 14:42:49 2009
From: vtbludgeon at gmail.com (David Mintz)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 14:42:49 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] the stale V in MVC web apps
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References: <721f1cc50903040749s327b2a1fh55caccb5386db238@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 1:30 PM, John Campbell <jcampbell1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:48 PM, David Mintz <vtbludgeon at gmail.com> wrote:
> > // on load
> >
> > window.updater = window.setInterval(submitForm,updateInterval);
> >
> > // and...
> >
> > submitForm = function(){
> >
> >       $('searchForm').request({
> >
> onCreate:function(response){$('formSubmit').value="Processing..."},
> >
> >               onComplete:function(xhr){
> >                       // reset timer
> >                       window.clearInterval(updater);
> >                       window.updater =
> window.setInterval(submitForm,updateInterval);
> >                       $('formSubmit').value="Search" // reset button's
> value
> >
> >                       // etc
> >
> >               }
> >       });
> >
> > };
>
> I don't think your code is quite right.  To validate polling code,
> just add "sleep(2)" to your php code, and set the updateInterval to 1
> second.  If it doesn't work under these conditions, then the code is
> not quite right.



Why would you want to sleep() on the server side?

In any case, the updateInterval is currently 5000 milliseconds. I just want
to make sure their snapshot never gets more than five minutes old. For this
application I don't think it's essential to update every 3 seconds.



>
>
> The problem with your code is that you clear the interval onComplete,
> rather than onCreate.  It is possible that the interval keeps firing
> while onComplete has not been run because the ajax requests are taking
> a long time due to a network issue.



Got it.


>
> To fix it... just change setInterval to setTimeout everywhere, and get
> rid if the clearInterval code.


Right... thank you very much.


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From bonsaime at gmail.com  Wed Mar  4 14:53:21 2009
From: bonsaime at gmail.com (Jesse Callaway)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 14:53:21 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] the stale V in MVC web apps
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On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 1:07 PM, David Mintz <vtbludgeon at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:17 PM, John Campbell <jcampbell1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> Use AJAX instead to refresh just the part of the page that needs
>> >> refreshing. If it's a fair chunk of information, you set a "version"
>> >> on the server so the AJAX call just checks the current version vs it's
>> >> version. If it's different, then you refresh the content. If it's not
>> >> different, no need to refresh anything and you only did a light weight
>> >> server call, so you could do it every 15 seconds.
>> >
>> > Forgive me, I don't quite understand *how* you would set the version
>> > information on the server in order to compare.
>>
>> In many cases, you can get away with using timestamps. ?If you have
>> update_at columns, then you can compare the timestamps. ?In theory,
>> there are problems with this method (such as updates that happen
>> during the same second), but in practice, it works quite well.
>
>
> Still not sure I get it -- I am competing the for Slowest Mind of the Year
> Award.
>
> The users are looking at a set of database rows. The table does have
> last-modified and creation-datetime columns. Saving the current set's
> maximum last-update and/or created value in the client, and then checking
> against the server by running an Ajax request to a server-side script that
> in turn queries the db to see if anything has changed... seems like almost
> as much overhead as just reloading unconditionally. Indeed more in those
> instances where you query to check if something changed, then do another
> query to load the data because something did change.
>
> And by "change" I mean in the dataset they are looking at, a row may have
> been either created, updated or deleted since they last loaded the view. So
> last-modified values would not inform you about deletions.
>
> I don't understand the md5() technique either. I mean, I know about md5()
> but don't see how you would use it efficiently for this purpose.
>
> --
> David Mintz
> http://davidmintz.org/
>
> The subtle source is clear and bright
> The tributary streams flow through the darkness
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
>

Get a hash of the data returned from your remote request and remember
it at the client. If you choose you can remember it on the server-side
as well. But you might not have control over that, say if you are
grabbing the weather from a provider.
Anyway next time you get a response back check it against the
remembered md5. If there's a match then don't update the document. I
don't know if it's efficient or not, but it would cut down on
redrawing the screen.

-jesse


From vtbludgeon at gmail.com  Wed Mar  4 15:16:03 2009
From: vtbludgeon at gmail.com (David Mintz)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:16:03 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] the stale V in MVC web apps
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On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Jesse Callaway <bonsaime at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 1:07 PM, David Mintz <vtbludgeon at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:17 PM, John Campbell <jcampbell1 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> >> Use AJAX instead to refresh just the part of the page that needs
> >> >> refreshing. If it's a fair chunk of information, you set a "version"
> >> >> on the server so the AJAX call just checks the current version vs
> it's
> >> >> version. If it's different, then you refresh the content. If it's not
> >> >> different, no need to refresh anything and you only did a light
> weight
> >> >> server call, so you could do it every 15 seconds.
> >> >
> >> > Forgive me, I don't quite understand *how* you would set the version
> >> > information on the server in order to compare.
> >>
> >> In many cases, you can get away with using timestamps.  If you have
> >> update_at columns, then you can compare the timestamps.  In theory,
> >> there are problems with this method (such as updates that happen
> >> during the same second), but in practice, it works quite well.
> >
> >
> > Still not sure I get it -- I am competing the for Slowest Mind of the
> Year
> > Award.
> >
> > The users are looking at a set of database rows. The table does have
> > last-modified and creation-datetime columns. Saving the current set's
> > maximum last-update and/or created value in the client, and then checking
> > against the server by running an Ajax request to a server-side script
> that
> > in turn queries the db to see if anything has changed... seems like
> almost
> > as much overhead as just reloading unconditionally. Indeed more in those
> > instances where you query to check if something changed, then do another
> > query to load the data because something did change.
> >
> > And by "change" I mean in the dataset they are looking at, a row may have
> > been either created, updated or deleted since they last loaded the view.
> So
> > last-modified values would not inform you about deletions.
> >
> > I don't understand the md5() technique either. I mean, I know about md5()
> > but don't see how you would use it efficiently for this purpose.
> >
> > --
> > David Mintz
> > http://davidmintz.org/
> >
> > The subtle source is clear and bright
> > The tributary streams flow through the darkness
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
> > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >
> > http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
> >
>
> Get a hash of the data returned from your remote request and remember
> it at the client. If you choose you can remember it on the server-side
> as well. But you might not have control over that, say if you are
> grabbing the weather from a provider.
> Anyway next time you get a response back check it against the
> remembered md5. If there's a match then don't update the document. I
> don't know if it's efficient or not, but it would cut down on
> redrawing the screen.
>


Understood. Thanks!


-- 
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http://davidmintz.org/

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From david at davidmintz.org  Wed Mar  4 16:06:45 2009
From: david at davidmintz.org (David Mintz)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 16:06:45 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] the stale V in MVC web apps
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On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 2:42 PM, David Mintz <vtbludgeon at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>
>
> In any case, the updateInterval is currently 5000 milliseconds. I just want
> to make sure their snapshot never gets more than five minutes old.
>


Ouch, did I say 5000 when I meant 300000 ?


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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Wed Mar  4 17:44:40 2009
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 17:44:40 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] the stale V in MVC web apps
In-Reply-To: <721f1cc50903040749s327b2a1fh55caccb5386db238@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <20090304224439.GA24466@panix.com>

Hola David:

On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 10:49:01AM -0500, David Mintz wrote:
> I've got users working collaboratively all day long on a set of database
> records. The view in front of them is frequently stale.

There are many ways to do this, as this thread shows.  The best option 
depends on exactly what you need to do.  That said, here's an outline of 
what I'd do, in theory.

Server has two methods.  First is "get_records()" which outputs the 
record set and has an optional parameter "edited_since."  Second is 
"get_latest_time()" and it outputs the result of
"COALESCE(MAX(modification_time), MAX(creation_time)) AS latest_time."

When the front end first loads the page, it get all of the results and 
puts the latest_time aside for future reference.

The front end has a radio button with three options to the question "What 
do you want to do if these results get updated on the server?"
* automatically refresh
* ask me what to do
* ignore

If the user has chosen auto or ask, run a poller at some interval.  The 
poller can work in several ways...

a) You can call get_latest_time() and check it against the latest_time 
you set aside earlier.  If there was a change and the user wants the 
latest data, you can then either get all records or just get the records 
that have changed.

b) You can pass latest_time to get_records() and if anything comes back, 
update/add those rows in the display if the user wants to.  This option 
seems a bit sweeter since it does everything in one shot.


To the folks who suggested using an MD5 hash: sure, that will work.  But 
that has a lot of overhead, since you need to go through the entire 
result set to calculate the hash.

--Dan

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From vtbludgeon at gmail.com  Wed Mar  4 19:51:04 2009
From: vtbludgeon at gmail.com (David Mintz)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 19:51:04 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] the stale V in MVC web apps
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On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 2:42 PM, David Mintz <vtbludgeon at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> <snip/>
>
>>
>>
>> I don't think your code is quite right.  To validate polling code,
>> just add "sleep(2)" to your php code, and set the updateInterval to 1
>> second.  If it doesn't work under these conditions, then the code is
>> not quite right.
>
>
>
> Why would you want to sleep() on the server side?
>

It's for test purposes, fool [it occurred to him 4 hours later as he was
walking down the street]



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From rotsen at gmail.com  Mon Mar  9 11:12:55 2009
From: rotsen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?B?TulzdG9y?=)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 07:12:55 -0800
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Changing your site look - What is the norm
Message-ID: <a304e2d60903090812m1cd6bffak3b915f314bf1f2a0@mail.gmail.com>

Hi people,

I was wondering if there is a norm of how often a corporate or goverment
site should be redone.
Is there such rule?

Thanks,

Nestor :-)
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From ps at blu-studio.com  Mon Mar  9 14:44:03 2009
From: ps at blu-studio.com (Peter Sawczynec)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 14:44:03 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Changing your site look - What is the norm
In-Reply-To: <a304e2d60903090812m1cd6bffak3b915f314bf1f2a0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a304e2d60903090812m1cd6bffak3b915f314bf1f2a0@mail.gmail.com>
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I have never read any exact rule on how often to update 

a website look. But, here is my opinion from my experience. 

 

First, it is important to keep in mind, that most all web sites 

get technologically stale every single year. 

 

Updates < 1 Year

Very commercial websites and youth oriented sites (MTV, 

TV shows, shampoo, fast food, bands, high-profile politicians) 

update at least every year. Many aggressive commercial sites 

change 2 or 3X a year. 

 

1.5 - 2 Years Is Sensible, Proactive Time to Update 

If you want to keep the website looking like it is ahead 

of the curve or at least right on the curve; the website 

could use to be updated by 1.5 years. Up to 2 years 

update time is still Okay.

 

3 Years Is Far End of Time to Update

Most standard web sites (govt., high end retail, 

associations, accountants, lawyers, real estate, furniture, 

car dealer, local radio station, local politician) start to get 

totally visually stale at about 3 years. And, of course, 

I feel even a 2-year old web site design 

is showing its age. 

 

5 Years Is Death

It is common though for these types of above noted 

business entities to try to take a website design out 

to 5 years. At 5 years the old design is absolutely expired 

and is hurting the company image, not enhancing. 

 

Even a  great clean corporate-look web site rigidly 

conformed to a classic design grid and using virtually no 

graphic dingbats of any kind would still need a refresh 

at about 5 years max, I think. 

 

The site width and height proportions get stale. 

Color scheme gets stale, font choices get stale. 

Even the widths of the columnar layout 

can get stale.

 

Warmest regards, 

 

Peter Sawczynec 

Technology Dir.

bl?studio 

941.893.0396

 <mailto:ps at sun-code.com> ps at blu-studio.com 

www.blu-studio.com 

 

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From corey at gelform.com  Mon Mar  9 15:03:35 2009
From: corey at gelform.com (Corey H Maass - gelform.com)
Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 15:03:35 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Changing your site look - What is the norm
In-Reply-To: <008301c9a0e7$055d4d20$1017e760$@com>
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If you follow Amazon's model then small, constant updates is key. Less
jarring to the user and better and safer for adapting/integrating new
technologies. Fewer days of panic for you, "OMG! The whole nav doesn't
work on safari 3?! But we can't roll back because the new db won't
work!"

Corey


On Mon, 9 Mar 2009 14:44:03 -0400, "Peter Sawczynec" <ps at blu-studio.com>
said:
> I have never read any exact rule on how often to update 
> 
> a website look. But, here is my opinion from my experience. 
> 
>  
> 
> First, it is important to keep in mind, that most all web sites 
> 
> get technologically stale every single year. 
> 
>  
> 
> Updates < 1 Year
> 
> Very commercial websites and youth oriented sites (MTV, 
> 
> TV shows, shampoo, fast food, bands, high-profile politicians) 
> 
> update at least every year. Many aggressive commercial sites 
> 
> change 2 or 3X a year. 
> 
>  
> 
> 1.5 - 2 Years Is Sensible, Proactive Time to Update 
> 
> If you want to keep the website looking like it is ahead 
> 
> of the curve or at least right on the curve; the website 
> 
> could use to be updated by 1.5 years. Up to 2 years 
> 
> update time is still Okay.
> 
>  
> 
> 3 Years Is Far End of Time to Update
> 
> Most standard web sites (govt., high end retail, 
> 
> associations, accountants, lawyers, real estate, furniture, 
> 
> car dealer, local radio station, local politician) start to get 
> 
> totally visually stale at about 3 years. And, of course, 
> 
> I feel even a 2-year old web site design 
> 
> is showing its age. 
> 
>  
> 
> 5 Years Is Death
> 
> It is common though for these types of above noted 
> 
> business entities to try to take a website design out 
> 
> to 5 years. At 5 years the old design is absolutely expired 
> 
> and is hurting the company image, not enhancing. 
> 
>  
> 
> Even a  great clean corporate-look web site rigidly 
> 
> conformed to a classic design grid and using virtually no 
> 
> graphic dingbats of any kind would still need a refresh 
> 
> at about 5 years max, I think. 
> 
>  
> 
> The site width and height proportions get stale. 
> 
> Color scheme gets stale, font choices get stale. 
> 
> Even the widths of the columnar layout 
> 
> can get stale.
> 
>  
> 
> Warmest regards, 
> 
>  
> 
> Peter Sawczynec 
> 
> Technology Dir.
> 
> bl&#363;studio 
> 
> 941.893.0396
> 
>  <mailto:ps at sun-code.com> ps at blu-studio.com 
> 
> www.blu-studio.com 
> 
>  
> 

//
Corey H Maass
Gelform Design
Brooklyn, NY
Web design and development for art and business

em corey at gelform.com
ww http://www.gelform.com
ph 646/228.5048
fx 866/502.4861
IM gelform



From artur at marnik.net  Mon Mar  9 17:12:21 2009
From: artur at marnik.net (Artur Marnik)
Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 17:12:21 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Changing your site look - What is the norm
In-Reply-To: <008301c9a0e7$055d4d20$1017e760$@com>
References: <a304e2d60903090812m1cd6bffak3b915f314bf1f2a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<008301c9a0e7$055d4d20$1017e760$@com>
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According to this craigslist is already dead

I think that if you have dynamic content (updated/added by webmaster or 
users) then you are fine for longer than few years
if you just deliver some information to the user (like most corporate 
pages) then you don't have to change them for years - unless you want to 
introduce new or more fancy technology - like ajax, web2.0 etc

and I am sure that government doesn't have any rule for that - I have 
seen pages 10 or more years old that run perfectly on NN 4.0 :)

Artur



Peter Sawczynec wrote:
> I have never read any exact rule on how often to update
> 
> a website look. But, here is my opinion from my experience.
> 
>  
> 
> First, it is important to keep in mind, that most all web sites
> 
> get technologically stale every single year.
> 
>  
> 
> *Updates < 1 Year*
> 
> Very commercial websites and youth oriented sites (MTV,
> 
> TV shows, shampoo, fast food, bands, high-profile politicians)
> 
> update at least every year. Many aggressive commercial sites
> 
> change 2 or 3X a year.
> 
>  
> 
> *1.5 - 2 Years Is Sensible, Proactive Time to Update *
> 
> If you want to keep the website looking like it is ahead
> 
> of the curve or at least right on the curve; the website
> 
> could use to be updated by 1.5 years. Up to 2 years
> 
> update time is still Okay.
> 
>  
> 
> *3 Years Is Far End of Time to Update*
> 
> Most standard web sites (govt., high end retail,
> 
> associations, accountants, lawyers, real estate, furniture,
> 
> car dealer, local radio station, local politician) start to get
> 
> totally visually stale at about 3 years. And, of course,
> 
> I feel even a 2-year old web site design
> 
> is showing its age.
> 
>  
> 
> *5 Years Is Death*
> 
> It is common though for these types of above noted
> 
> business entities to try to take a website design out
> 
> to 5 years. At 5 years the old design is absolutely expired
> 
> and is hurting the company image, not enhancing.
> 
>  
> 
> Even a  great clean corporate-look web site rigidly
> 
> conformed to a classic design grid and using virtually no
> 
> graphic dingbats of any kind would still need a refresh
> 
> at about 5 years max, I think.
> 
>  
> 
> The site width and height proportions get stale.
> 
> Color scheme gets stale, font choices get stale.
> 
> Even the widths of the columnar layout
> 
> can get stale.
> 
>  
> 
> Warmest regards,
> 
>  
> 
> Peter Sawczynec
> 
> Technology Dir.
> 
> bl?studio
> 
> 941.893.0396
> 
> ps at blu-studio.com <mailto:ps at sun-code.com>
> 
> www.blu-studio.com
> 
>  
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
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From rotsen at gmail.com  Mon Mar  9 20:30:21 2009
From: rotsen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?B?TulzdG9y?=)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:30:21 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Changing your site look - What is the norm
In-Reply-To: <49B58635.5040709@marnik.net>
References: <a304e2d60903090812m1cd6bffak3b915f314bf1f2a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<008301c9a0e7$055d4d20$1017e760$@com> <49B58635.5040709@marnik.net>
Message-ID: <a304e2d60903091730n55c062f4t49a32012657080e4@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for all of your replies.

Nestor :-)

2009/3/9 Artur Marnik <artur at marnik.net>

> According to this craigslist is already dead
>
> I think that if you have dynamic content (updated/added by webmaster or
> users) then you are fine for longer than few years
> if you just deliver some information to the user (like most corporate
> pages) then you don't have to change them for years - unless you want to
> introduce new or more fancy technology - like ajax, web2.0 etc
>
> and I am sure that government doesn't have any rule for that - I have seen
> pages 10 or more years old that run perfectly on NN 4.0 :)
>
> Artur
>
>
>
> Peter Sawczynec wrote:
>
>> I have never read any exact rule on how often to update
>>
>> a website look. But, here is my opinion from my experience.
>>
>>
>> First, it is important to keep in mind, that most all web sites
>>
>> get technologically stale every single year.
>>
>>
>> *Updates < 1 Year*
>>
>> Very commercial websites and youth oriented sites (MTV,
>>
>> TV shows, shampoo, fast food, bands, high-profile politicians)
>>
>> update at least every year. Many aggressive commercial sites
>>
>> change 2 or 3X a year.
>>
>>
>> *1.5 - 2 Years Is Sensible, Proactive Time to Update *
>>
>> If you want to keep the website looking like it is ahead
>>
>> of the curve or at least right on the curve; the website
>>
>> could use to be updated by 1.5 years. Up to 2 years
>>
>> update time is still Okay.
>>
>>
>> *3 Years Is Far End of Time to Update*
>>
>> Most standard web sites (govt., high end retail,
>>
>> associations, accountants, lawyers, real estate, furniture,
>>
>> car dealer, local radio station, local politician) start to get
>>
>> totally visually stale at about 3 years. And, of course,
>>
>> I feel even a 2-year old web site design
>>
>> is showing its age.
>>
>>
>> *5 Years Is Death*
>>
>> It is common though for these types of above noted
>>
>> business entities to try to take a website design out
>>
>> to 5 years. At 5 years the old design is absolutely expired
>>
>> and is hurting the company image, not enhancing.
>>
>>
>> Even a  great clean corporate-look web site rigidly
>>
>> conformed to a classic design grid and using virtually no
>>
>> graphic dingbats of any kind would still need a refresh
>>
>> at about 5 years max, I think.
>>
>>
>> The site width and height proportions get stale.
>>
>> Color scheme gets stale, font choices get stale.
>>
>> Even the widths of the columnar layout
>>
>> can get stale.
>>
>>
>> Warmest regards,
>>
>>
>> Peter Sawczynec
>>
>> Technology Dir.
>>
>> bl?studio
>>
>> 941.893.0396
>>
>> ps at blu-studio.com <mailto:ps at sun-code.com>
>>
>> www.blu-studio.com
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
>> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>>
>> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
>>
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From edwardpotter at gmail.com  Mon Mar  9 21:48:25 2009
From: edwardpotter at gmail.com (Edward Potter)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 21:48:25 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Changing your site look - What is the norm
In-Reply-To: <008301c9a0e7$055d4d20$1017e760$@com>
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>>>
*5 Years Is Death

Craigslist
Drudgereport
Google

Still alive and kicking!
*
2009/3/9 Peter Sawczynec <ps at blu-studio.com>

>  I have never read any exact rule on how often to update
>
> a website look. But, here is my opinion from my experience.
>
>
>
> First, it is important to keep in mind, that most all web sites
>
> get technologically stale every single year.
>
>
>
> *Updates < 1 Year*
>
> Very commercial websites and youth oriented sites (MTV,
>
> TV shows, shampoo, fast food, bands, high-profile politicians)
>
> update at least every year. Many aggressive commercial sites
>
> change 2 or 3X a year.
>
>
>
> *1.5 - 2 Years Is Sensible, Proactive Time to Update *
>
> If you want to keep the website looking like it is ahead
>
> of the curve or at least right on the curve; the website
>
> could use to be updated by 1.5 years. Up to 2 years
>
> update time is still Okay.
>
>
>
> *3 Years Is Far End of Time to Update*
>
> Most standard web sites (govt., high end retail,
>
> associations, accountants, lawyers, real estate, furniture,
>
> car dealer, local radio station, local politician) start to get
>
> totally visually stale at about 3 years. And, of course,
>
> I feel even a 2-year old web site design
>
> is showing its age.
>
>
>
> *5 Years Is Death*
>
> It is common though for these types of above noted
>
> business entities to try to take a website design out
>
> to 5 years. At 5 years the old design is absolutely expired
>
> and is hurting the company image, not enhancing.
>
>
>
> Even a  great clean corporate-look web site rigidly
>
> conformed to a classic design grid and using virtually no
>
> graphic dingbats of any kind would still need a refresh
>
> at about 5 years max, I think.
>
>
>
> The site width and height proportions get stale.
>
> Color scheme gets stale, font choices get stale.
>
> Even the widths of the columnar layout
>
> can get stale.
>
>
>
> Warmest regards,
>
>
>
> Peter Sawczynec
>
> Technology Dir.
>
> bl?studio
>
> 941.893.0396
>
> ps at blu-studio.com <ps at sun-code.com>
>
> www.blu-studio.com
>
>
>
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>
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From nynj.tech at hotmail.com  Mon Mar  9 21:56:43 2009
From: nynj.tech at hotmail.com (chad qian)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 21:56:43 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] generate random unique 8-digit number
Message-ID: <BLU126-W51A299B45B883C501DB1CE8A10@phx.gbl>


Hi,
I need to generate random 8-digit numbers continuously.And no duplication among all those numbers.In other word,every single 8-digit number must be unique.How to do php programming?

 

Thanks a lots!

 

chad

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From ramons at gmx.net  Mon Mar  9 22:32:11 2009
From: ramons at gmx.net (David Krings)
Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 22:32:11 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] generate random unique 8-digit number
In-Reply-To: <BLU126-W51A299B45B883C501DB1CE8A10@phx.gbl>
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chad qian wrote:
> Hi,
> I need to generate random 8-digit numbers continuously.And no 
> duplication among all those numbers.In other word,every single 8-digit 
> number must be unique.How to do php programming?
>  
> Thanks a lots!
>  
> chad

How random are you aiming for? As far as I know none of the programming 
languages and computer systems have true random number generators. They all 
follow some algorithm that provides sufficiently random numbers, but some are 
generated more often then others.
Another question is also how many of these numbers do you need in the given 
context? What you can always do is use PHP's random number generator mt_rand 
with the min and max value set so that you always get an 8 digit number. So 
that would be $random = mt_rand(10000000,99999999). What you can do is write 
the numbers to a table that has that field keyed or even an array. That way 
you get an error if it is already in the table or array. And if you get an 
error you go ahead and try again. I recommend to add a counter in and eitehr 
give up after 20 tries or wipe the table and start from scratch. Otherwise you 
have PHP crunching random numbers for five hours just to find the one that is 
still missing. Which brings me back to the question about the amount of 
numbers you need.

Is that what you are looking for? I got most of that from Google and the PHP 
manual.....

David




From cmerlo at ncc.edu  Tue Mar 10 01:52:34 2009
From: cmerlo at ncc.edu (Christopher R. Merlo)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 01:52:34 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] generate random unique 8-digit number
In-Reply-To: <BLU126-W51A299B45B883C501DB1CE8A10@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU126-W51A299B45B883C501DB1CE8A10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <946586480903092252r6efa0d80pfbb082226484453f@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 9:56 PM, chad qian <nynj.tech at hotmail.com> wrote:

>  Hi,
> I need to generate random 8-digit numbers continuously.And no
> duplication among all those numbers.In other word,every single 8-digit
> number must be unique.
>

It is not mathematically feasible to continuously generate unique random
numbers with any upper bound.  They will repeat at some point.  Why don't
you tell us more about the problem you're trying to solve, because there's
probably a much simpler solution.


> How to do php programming?
>

That question requires a much longer answer.
-c
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From fgabrieli at gmail.com  Tue Mar 10 07:22:27 2009
From: fgabrieli at gmail.com (Fernando Gabrieli)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 08:22:27 -0300
Subject: [nycphp-talk] generate random unique 8-digit number
In-Reply-To: <BLU126-W51A299B45B883C501DB1CE8A10@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU126-W51A299B45B883C501DB1CE8A10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <be1d525a0903100422v768babd6wc2135a41ed3ffc1a@mail.gmail.com>

the easiest:

$isInUse = 0 ;
while ($isInUse == 0) {
 $yourNumber = rand(0,9) . rand(0,9) . rand(0,9) .... (8 times)

 /* check here if $yourNumber is already in use and save the value in
$isInUse */
}

without saving the previous you will never be sure if you have duplicates


best,
fernando


On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 10:56 PM, chad qian <nynj.tech at hotmail.com> wrote:

>  Hi,
> I need to generate random 8-digit numbers continuously.And no
> duplication among all those numbers.In other word,every single 8-digit
> number must be unique.How to do php programming?
>
> Thanks a lots!
>
> chad
>
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From tgales at tgaconnect.com  Tue Mar 10 08:48:15 2009
From: tgales at tgaconnect.com (Tim Gales)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 08:48:15 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] generate random unique 8-digit number
In-Reply-To: <BLU126-W51A299B45B883C501DB1CE8A10@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU126-W51A299B45B883C501DB1CE8A10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <49B6618F.4020705@tgaconnect.com>

chad qian wrote:
> Hi,
> I need to generate random 8-digit numbers continuously.And no 
> duplication among all those numbers.In other word,every single 8-digit 
> number must be unique.How to do php programming?
Change your specification to 13 characters and use the function uniqid

Uniqid is driven by the system clock -- so it's granularity is a 
microsecond.




 


From fgabrieli at gmail.com  Tue Mar 10 09:18:09 2009
From: fgabrieli at gmail.com (Fernando Gabrieli)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:18:09 -0300
Subject: [nycphp-talk] generate random unique 8-digit number
In-Reply-To: <49B6618F.4020705@tgaconnect.com>
References: <BLU126-W51A299B45B883C501DB1CE8A10@phx.gbl>
	<49B6618F.4020705@tgaconnect.com>
Message-ID: <be1d525a0903100618o22a6e0d6md9839d61c0837bd2@mail.gmail.com>

using tim's idea: get a uniqid, convert it to numbers and shift the
difference :)
- get a uniqid
- convert the chars to numbers using php.net/ord
- use the 8 first numbers


(would be an alternative to rand() for 8-digits)



On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Tim Gales <tgales at tgaconnect.com> wrote:

> chad qian wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> I need to generate random 8-digit numbers continuously.And no duplication
>> among all those numbers.In other word,every single 8-digit number must be
>> unique.How to do php programming?
>>
> Change your specification to 13 characters and use the function uniqid
>
> Uniqid is driven by the system clock -- so it's granularity is a
> microsecond.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From edwardpotter at gmail.com  Tue Mar 10 11:15:35 2009
From: edwardpotter at gmail.com (Edward Potter)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:15:35 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] generate random unique 8-digit number
In-Reply-To: <BLU126-W51A299B45B883C501DB1CE8A10@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU126-W51A299B45B883C501DB1CE8A10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <c5949a380903100815x1c19d1abk2dab0d6891071452@mail.gmail.com>

Well, it's easy.

Go down to Prince & Broadway, stop the first model that walks by, then the
next, etc.  Ask them for a random number.  Believe me you will NEVER get the
same number twice. And they will never repeat! All laws of Physics go
straight out the window. Even Einstein gave in.

Just my 2 rupee's

:-)

On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 9:56 PM, chad qian <nynj.tech at hotmail.com> wrote:

>  Hi,
> I need to generate random 8-digit numbers continuously.And no
> duplication among all those numbers.In other word,every single 8-digit
> number must be unique.How to do php programming?
>
> Thanks a lots!
>
> chad
>
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From chsnyder at gmail.com  Tue Mar 10 11:26:52 2009
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:26:52 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] generate random unique 8-digit number
In-Reply-To: <c5949a380903100815x1c19d1abk2dab0d6891071452@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BLU126-W51A299B45B883C501DB1CE8A10@phx.gbl>
	<c5949a380903100815x1c19d1abk2dab0d6891071452@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b76252690903100826s3fff0491q404ee181718406b7@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Edward Potter <edwardpotter at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Go down to Prince & Broadway, stop the first model that walks by, then the
> next, etc.? Ask them for a random number.? Believe me you will NEVER get the
> same number twice. And they will never repeat! All laws of Physics go
> straight out the window. Even Einstein gave in.
>
> Just my 2 rupee's
>

I asked a model how he did it, and he said he just looks at his watch
and then converts to unix micro time. I said, "That's not random!"

The model replied, "Yeah, but the kind of software developer who asks
a model for randomness is unable to tell the difference."

Add a random number to a sufficiently deep timestamp (microseconds)
and you will have a non-repeating random number. But you can't shorten
it to 8 characters or whatever -- you have to keep the full timestamp
in order to maintain non-repeatability.


From dcech at phpwerx.net  Tue Mar 10 11:54:22 2009
From: dcech at phpwerx.net (Dan Cech)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:54:22 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] generate random unique 8-digit number
In-Reply-To: <b76252690903100826s3fff0491q404ee181718406b7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BLU126-W51A299B45B883C501DB1CE8A10@phx.gbl>	<c5949a380903100815x1c19d1abk2dab0d6891071452@mail.gmail.com>
	<b76252690903100826s3fff0491q404ee181718406b7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49B68D2E.40803@phpwerx.net>

Chris Snyder wrote:
> Add a random number to a sufficiently deep timestamp (microseconds)
> and you will have a non-repeating random number. But you can't shorten
> it to 8 characters or whatever -- you have to keep the full timestamp
> in order to maintain non-repeatability.

Not really, if you add a random number then you can easily end up with 2
results that are the same unless the frequency with which you generate
numbers is less than the variation you're introducing, and at that point
why bother with the random number at all...

It is not possible to produce a fixed-length number/string which will
_never_ repeat, simply because you will run out of combinations
eventually.  Using 'random' values just means that you can't take the
previous number and add one to determine the next unused number.

If you're trying to generate relatively short pseudo-random IDs to
thwart guesses, then the simplest method is going to be the
previously-recommended approach of generating a random number and
checking if it has already been used, rinse and repeat until you find
one that has not.  This will get progressively slower as the number of
IDs generated grows, but is the only way you can be 100% sure of a truly
random ID which will never conflict.

If you go with a scheme like uuids then you can be sufficiently
confident (but never 100% sure) that they are not going to repeat.
However, if you try using some scheme to hash them down to 8 digits all
bets are off as you're going from 16^32 down to 10^8 combinations.

Dan


From edwardpotter at gmail.com  Tue Mar 10 12:31:59 2009
From: edwardpotter at gmail.com (Edward Potter)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:31:59 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] generate random unique 8-digit number
In-Reply-To: <49B68D2E.40803@phpwerx.net>
References: <BLU126-W51A299B45B883C501DB1CE8A10@phx.gbl>
	<c5949a380903100815x1c19d1abk2dab0d6891071452@mail.gmail.com>
	<b76252690903100826s3fff0491q404ee181718406b7@mail.gmail.com>
	<49B68D2E.40803@phpwerx.net>
Message-ID: <c5949a380903100931l3bdc9e31s65a5f96f533df181@mail.gmail.com>

Even the numbers game is not random. Some lotto numbers have come up 10X
then others. It's the ink on the ball.  Shifts the weight.

But back to reality, you can get a pretty decent random number, for all
practical purposes using the tips covers in this discussion.

On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Dan Cech <dcech at phpwerx.net> wrote:

> Chris Snyder wrote:
> > Add a random number to a sufficiently deep timestamp (microseconds)
> > and you will have a non-repeating random number. But you can't shorten
> > it to 8 characters or whatever -- you have to keep the full timestamp
> > in order to maintain non-repeatability.
>
> Not really, if you add a random number then you can easily end up with 2
> results that are the same unless the frequency with which you generate
> numbers is less than the variation you're introducing, and at that point
> why bother with the random number at all...
>
> It is not possible to produce a fixed-length number/string which will
> _never_ repeat, simply because you will run out of combinations
> eventually.  Using 'random' values just means that you can't take the
> previous number and add one to determine the next unused number.
>
> If you're trying to generate relatively short pseudo-random IDs to
> thwart guesses, then the simplest method is going to be the
> previously-recommended approach of generating a random number and
> checking if it has already been used, rinse and repeat until you find
> one that has not.  This will get progressively slower as the number of
> IDs generated grows, but is the only way you can be 100% sure of a truly
> random ID which will never conflict.
>
> If you go with a scheme like uuids then you can be sufficiently
> confident (but never 100% sure) that they are not going to repeat.
> However, if you try using some scheme to hash them down to 8 digits all
> bets are off as you're going from 16^32 down to 10^8 combinations.
>
> Dan
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From rolan at omnistep.com  Tue Mar 10 13:04:06 2009
From: rolan at omnistep.com (Rolan Yang)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 13:04:06 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] generate random unique 8-digit number
In-Reply-To: <49B68D2E.40803@phpwerx.net>
References: <BLU126-W51A299B45B883C501DB1CE8A10@phx.gbl>	<c5949a380903100815x1c19d1abk2dab0d6891071452@mail.gmail.com>	<b76252690903100826s3fff0491q404ee181718406b7@mail.gmail.com>
	<49B68D2E.40803@phpwerx.net>
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Dan Cech wrote:
> ...
>
> If you're trying to generate relatively short pseudo-random IDs to
> thwart guesses, then the simplest method is going to be the
> previously-recommended approach of generating a random number and
> checking if it has already been used, rinse and repeat until you find
> one that has not.  This will get progressively slower as the number of
> IDs generated grows, but is the only way you can be 100% sure of a truly
> random ID which will never conflict.
>
> ...
>   
Depending on the number of results needed, building an array of all 
possible combinations and then removing each when randomly selected is 
another option.  For an 8 digit base-10 pool, the memory required would 
be huge. Sample code below. Can anyone calculate the break-even point at 
which it is faster to use this vs the random guess method mentioned 
above? :)

<?php

$digits=5; // change this to 8 if you have enough memory
$limit=pow(10,$digits);

$biglist=array();

// stuff the array
for ($x=0;$x<$limit;$x++) {
    $biglist[$x]=$x;
}

// run through guesses
for ($x=0;$x<10;$x++) {
    $pick=rand(0,count($biglist));
    printf("random #=$x - %0{$digits}d\n",$biglist[$pick]);
    array_splice($biglist,$pick,1);
}

?>

~Rolan



From chsnyder at gmail.com  Tue Mar 10 13:57:42 2009
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 13:57:42 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] generate random unique 8-digit number
In-Reply-To: <49B68D2E.40803@phpwerx.net>
References: <BLU126-W51A299B45B883C501DB1CE8A10@phx.gbl>
	<c5949a380903100815x1c19d1abk2dab0d6891071452@mail.gmail.com>
	<b76252690903100826s3fff0491q404ee181718406b7@mail.gmail.com>
	<49B68D2E.40803@phpwerx.net>
Message-ID: <b76252690903101057k1934dd2apb093159e84ef6eb7@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Dan Cech <dcech at phpwerx.net> wrote:
> Chris Snyder wrote:
>> Add a random number to a sufficiently deep timestamp (microseconds)
>> and you will have a non-repeating random number. But you can't shorten
>> it to 8 characters or whatever -- you have to keep the full timestamp
>> in order to maintain non-repeatability.
>
> Not really, if you add a random number then you can easily end up with 2
> results that are the same unless the frequency with which you generate
> numbers is less than the variation you're introducing, and at that point
> why bother with the random number at all...

Oh yeah, I meant "concatenate" not "add".

Doing something like $random = $microtime . "_" . rand( 0, 256 );
gives you non-repeating pseudo-randomness. Whether that's random
enough for some applications is another issue, but it won't repeat as
long as the timestamp used for $microtime doesn't roll over to 0.


From ps at blu-studio.com  Tue Mar 10 14:39:32 2009
From: ps at blu-studio.com (Peter Sawczynec)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:39:32 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Changing your site look - What is the norm
In-Reply-To: <c5949a380903091848n8162a35q552b69a5db142553@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a304e2d60903090812m1cd6bffak3b915f314bf1f2a0@mail.gmail.com>	<008301c9a0e7$055d4d20$1017e760$@com>
	<c5949a380903091848n8162a35q552b69a5db142553@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008201c9a1af$8f63a230$ae2ae690$@com>

Google. Has undergone numerous updates to their style.

Changing the logo, the favicon and adding artwork 

across the top 2 inches. Google allows users 

to customize too. 

Craigslist. Looks dated. 

Drudgereport. Looks dated. 

Amazon. Has made many updates to their look. Modernizing 

buttons, product display, text colors, column widths, etc.

 

To follow well-timed and in tune with trends commercial updating 

in action. watch global corp. sites like: Sony, VW, Bugati. Look at 

Las Vegas casino sites. Major hotels, cruise lines, Club Med. 

 

Even never-changing websites likes Microsoft, Apple, NYTimes 

have undergone constant tuning to meet the shifting market 

tastes and style. 

 

I would pose it is still better to stay updated than to see 

just how long a site can look timeless. (Very few, almost none. But 

you could look at Tiffany.)

 

Warmest regards, 

 

Peter Sawczynec 

Technology Dir.

bl?studio 

941.893.0396

ps at blu-studio.com <mailto:ps at sun-code.com>  

www.blu-studio.com 

 

 

From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of Edward Potter
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 9:48 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Changing your site look - What is the norm

 

>>>
5 Years Is Death

Craigslist
Drudgereport
Google

Still alive and kicking!  

2009/3/9 Peter Sawczynec <ps at blu-studio.com>

I have never read any exact rule on how often to update 

a website look. But, here is my opinion from my experience. 

 

First, it is important to keep in mind, that most all web sites 

get technologically stale every single year. 

 

Updates < 1 Year

Very commercial websites and youth oriented sites (MTV, 

TV shows, shampoo, fast food, bands, high-profile politicians) 

update at least every year. Many aggressive commercial sites 

change 2 or 3X a year. 

 

1.5 - 2 Years Is Sensible, Proactive Time to Update 

If you want to keep the website looking like it is ahead 

of the curve or at least right on the curve; the website 

could use to be updated by 1.5 years. Up to 2 years 

update time is still Okay.

 

3 Years Is Far End of Time to Update

Most standard web sites (govt., high end retail, 

associations, accountants, lawyers, real estate, furniture, 

car dealer, local radio station, local politician) start to get 

totally visually stale at about 3 years. And, of course, 

I feel even a 2-year old web site design 

is showing its age. 

 

5 Years Is Death

It is common though for these types of above noted 

business entities to try to take a website design out 

to 5 years. At 5 years the old design is absolutely expired 

and is hurting the company image, not enhancing. 

 

Even a  great clean corporate-look web site rigidly 

conformed to a classic design grid and using virtually no 

graphic dingbats of any kind would still need a refresh 

at about 5 years max, I think. 

 

The site width and height proportions get stale. 

Color scheme gets stale, font choices get stale. 

Even the widths of the columnar layout 

can get stale.

 

Warmest regards, 

 

Peter Sawczynec 

Technology Dir.

bl?studio 

941.893.0396

 <mailto:ps at sun-code.com> ps at blu-studio.com 

www.blu-studio.com 

 


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From ben at projectskyline.com  Tue Mar 10 18:32:49 2009
From: ben at projectskyline.com (Ben Sgro)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:32:49 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Transforming XML with XSL (XsltProcessor problems)
Message-ID: <49B6EA91.90701@projectskyline.com>

Hello,

My PHP code is:
---------------------

        $xml = new DOMDocument;
        $xml->load($this->_payload);       

           $xsltProcessor = new XsltProcessor();
        $xsl = new DomDocument;
        $xsl->load('../lib/Transformations/text.xsl');
       
        $xsltProcessor->importStylesheet($xsl);
        $result = $xsltProcessor->transformToXml($xml);
   
        return $result;


My XSL is:
--------------

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<xsl:stylesheet
 xmlns:xsl="http://www.w3.org/1999/XSL/Transform" version="1.0"
 xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"
 >
<xsl:template match="/">
<xsl:element name="Data">
<xsl:element name="AccountNumber"><xsl:value-of 
select="//DataItem[@name='AccountNumber']/@value"/>
</xsl:element>
</xsl:element>
</xsl:template>
</xsl:stylesheet>


And my XML is:
---------------------

<ProfileRequest templateId="1" submitUser="asdf" 
submitDateTime="2009-01-12T17:32:46">
    <DataItem name="AccountNumber" value="600978"/>
</ProfileRequest>



The $result is:
-----------------

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<Data 
xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><AccountNumber></AccountNumber></Data>

So, as you can see the AccountNumber is missing. This XSL/XML works fine 
in Author (XML Tool).
Any ideas why this would fail? Also, the Xpath 
(//DataItem[@name='AccountNumber']/@value) works
if I make the XML a simpleXML object and call xpath on it.

Thanks for your help!

- Ben


From tgales at tgaconnect.com  Tue Mar 10 19:23:56 2009
From: tgales at tgaconnect.com (Tim Gales)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 19:23:56 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] generate random unique 8-digit number
In-Reply-To: <b76252690903101057k1934dd2apb093159e84ef6eb7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BLU126-W51A299B45B883C501DB1CE8A10@phx.gbl>	<c5949a380903100815x1c19d1abk2dab0d6891071452@mail.gmail.com>	<b76252690903100826s3fff0491q404ee181718406b7@mail.gmail.com>	<49B68D2E.40803@phpwerx.net>
	<b76252690903101057k1934dd2apb093159e84ef6eb7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49B6F68C.7070208@tgaconnect.com>

Chris Snyder wrote:
>
> Doing something like $random = $microtime . "_" . rand( 0, 256 );
> gives you non-repeating pseudo-randomness. 
md5(uniqid(rand(), true))
// as suggested in the manual

is harder to guess -- but now you're talkin' 32 chars.
(as usual it depends on what you're tryin' to do)

-- 
T. Gales & Associates  
'Helping People Connect with Technology' 
http://www.tgaconnect.com 



From JoeyD473 at nyc.rr.com  Tue Mar 10 23:39:04 2009
From: JoeyD473 at nyc.rr.com (Joey Derrico)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 23:39:04 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] generate random unique 8-digit number
In-Reply-To: <BLU126-W51A299B45B883C501DB1CE8A10@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU126-W51A299B45B883C501DB1CE8A10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <49B73258.1070105@nyc.rr.com>

One possibility would be to make a DB table with 2 columns. One where 
each row has a value from 00000000 through 99999999, and the other 
column marked as for used. When you need to generate the random number 
you can query the database for each # not currently used and select 
randomly from the values not in use and just update the DB to mark it as 
used so it won't come up again. You won't have repeating numbers then. 
However it will slow down your application because that is a lot of rows 
to go through.

Joey Derrico

chad qian wrote:
> Hi,
> I need to generate random 8-digit numbers continuously.And no 
> duplication among all those numbers.In other word,every single 8-digit 
> number must be unique.How to do php programming?
>  
> Thanks a lots!
>  
> chad
>
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From artur at marnik.net  Wed Mar 11 04:12:04 2009
From: artur at marnik.net (Artur Marnik)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 04:12:04 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] generate random unique 8-digit number
In-Reply-To: <49B73258.1070105@nyc.rr.com>
References: <BLU126-W51A299B45B883C501DB1CE8A10@phx.gbl>
	<49B73258.1070105@nyc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <49B77254.7010102@marnik.net>

Joey Derrico wrote:
> One possibility would be to make a DB table with 2 columns. One where 
> each row has a value from 00000000 through 99999999, and the other 
> column marked as for used. When you need to generate the random number 
> you can query the database for each # not currently used and select 
> randomly from the values not in use and just update the DB to mark it 
> as used so it won't come up again. You won't have repeating numbers 
> then. However it will slow down your application because that is a lot 
> of rows to go through.
>
> Joey Derrico

actually query like:
select id, rand_number from rand_numbers where used = '0' limit 1;
and then:
update rand_numbers set used = '1' where id = '$row['id']'

will be very fast even if table has millions of entries
only generating the numbers will be slow but you have to run it only once

also make sure to lock the table before and unlock after so you don't 
have two users selecting the same entry

this solution is good only if you know how many random number you will need
another way is to use two tables - prefix and then rand_numbers
prefix has only one entry and you concat it with value selected from 
second table
after you run out of random numbers you just have to empty 
random_numbers table and regenerate values and change prefix to 
something else

but it is all complicated and I will just use old good 
md5(uniqid(rand(), true)) if possible

Artur





From ioplex at gmail.com  Wed Mar 11 02:25:35 2009
From: ioplex at gmail.com (Michael B Allen)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 02:25:35 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] generate random unique 8-digit number
In-Reply-To: <BLU126-W51A299B45B883C501DB1CE8A10@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU126-W51A299B45B883C501DB1CE8A10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <78c6bd860903102325x502017bbjddae8d151db9177e@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 9:56 PM, chad qian <nynj.tech at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> I need to generate random 8-digit numbers continuously.And no
> duplication?among?all those numbers.In other word,every single 8-digit
> number?must be?unique.How to do php programming?

Just to give a little different answer from what people are suggesting
you could use a sequence number and then apply a routine that just
rotates and move bits around in constant way. This will guarantee that
the number is unique without using a database (although I guess you
still need a source of the sequence number so you need to store that
somewhere).

For example, you could do something like this:

function reverse_bits($v) {
    $t = $v << 1;

    $v >>= 1;
    $v &= 0x7FFFFFFF;
    for ($i = 30; $i > 0; $i--) {
        $t |= $v & 1;
        $t <<= 1;
        $v >>= 1;
    }
    $t |= $v;

    return $t;
}

function scramble($num) {
    $num = reverse_bits($num);
    return $num ^ 0xFEEDB0A5;
}

So you feed the scramble function a sequence of numbers like 10, 11,
12, ... etc and get out a number that looks random. Of course it's not
random. It only looks random. In fact, if you feed the scrambled
number back through the scramble routine you'll get back the original
sequence number.

Mike

-- 
Michael B Allen
Java Active Directory Integration
http://www.ioplex.com/


From ps at blu-studio.com  Wed Mar 11 05:30:57 2009
From: ps at blu-studio.com (Peter Sawczynec)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 05:30:57 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Transforming XML with XSL (XsltProcessor problems)
In-Reply-To: <49B6EA91.90701@projectskyline.com>
References: <49B6EA91.90701@projectskyline.com>
Message-ID: <001a01c9a22c$160ef6f0$422ce4d0$@com>

In your XSL styleshhet looks to me like you are matching on an element
called "Data" while the XML has an element called "DataItem". And in
your XPATH sample that gets a result you check for the element
"DataItem". 

Warmest regards, 
?
Peter Sawczynec 
Technology Dir.
bl?studio 
941.893.0396
ps at blu-studio.com 
www.blu-studio.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of Ben Sgro
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 6:33 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Transforming XML with XSL (XsltProcessor problems)

Hello,

My PHP code is:
---------------------

        $xml = new DOMDocument;
        $xml->load($this->_payload);       

           $xsltProcessor = new XsltProcessor();
        $xsl = new DomDocument;
        $xsl->load('../lib/Transformations/text.xsl');
       
        $xsltProcessor->importStylesheet($xsl);
        $result = $xsltProcessor->transformToXml($xml);
   
        return $result;


My XSL is:
--------------

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<xsl:stylesheet
 xmlns:xsl="http://www.w3.org/1999/XSL/Transform" version="1.0"
 xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"
 >
<xsl:template match="/">
<xsl:element name="Data">
<xsl:element name="AccountNumber"><xsl:value-of 
select="//DataItem[@name='AccountNumber']/@value"/>
</xsl:element>
</xsl:element>
</xsl:template>
</xsl:stylesheet>


And my XML is:
---------------------

<ProfileRequest templateId="1" submitUser="asdf" 
submitDateTime="2009-01-12T17:32:46">
    <DataItem name="AccountNumber" value="600978"/>
</ProfileRequest>



The $result is:
-----------------

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<Data 
xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><AccountNumber></AccountNumber></Da
ta>

So, as you can see the AccountNumber is missing. This XSL/XML works fine

in Author (XML Tool).
Any ideas why this would fail? Also, the Xpath 
(//DataItem[@name='AccountNumber']/@value) works
if I make the XML a simpleXML object and call xpath on it.

Thanks for your help!

- Ben
_______________________________________________
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http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk

http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php




From jcampbell1 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 11 10:28:28 2009
From: jcampbell1 at gmail.com (John Campbell)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:28:28 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Apache is killing me.
Message-ID: <8f0676b40903110728j30c92c22y2ad1ef62308b427f@mail.gmail.com>

I am having an intermittent issue where Apache just craps out.  It
seems to happen in the middle of the night for no reason.  It crapped
out twice in December, and again last night.  I have no idea what the
issue is.  There is nothing in the error log.  Restarting apache fixes
the problem.

Does anyone have any ideas or suggestions?

Regards,
John Campbell


From yitzchas at touro.edu  Wed Mar 11 10:49:30 2009
From: yitzchas at touro.edu (Yitzchak Schaffer)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:49:30 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Apache is killing me.
In-Reply-To: <8f0676b40903110728j30c92c22y2ad1ef62308b427f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8f0676b40903110728j30c92c22y2ad1ef62308b427f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49B7CF7A.5050106@touro.edu>

John Campbell wrote:
> I am having an intermittent issue where Apache just craps out.  It
> seems to happen in the middle of the night for no reason.  It crapped
> out twice in December, and again last night.  I have no idea what the
> issue is.  There is nothing in the error log.  Restarting apache fixes
> the problem.

Hrmm, did you check the server's log files from the time of the 
crash/shutdown?  What's the OS?

Perhaps also try posting to http://httpd.apache.org/userslist.html

-- 
Yitzchak Schaffer
Systems Librarian
Touro College Libraries
33 West 23rd Street
New York, NY 10010
Tel (212) 463-0400 x5230
Fax (212) 627-3197
yitzchas at touro.edu


From rmarscher at beaffinitive.com  Wed Mar 11 11:13:44 2009
From: rmarscher at beaffinitive.com (Rob Marscher)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:13:44 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Apache is killing me.
In-Reply-To: <49B7CF7A.5050106@touro.edu>
References: <8f0676b40903110728j30c92c22y2ad1ef62308b427f@mail.gmail.com>
	<49B7CF7A.5050106@touro.edu>
Message-ID: <12D5742A-143B-44BE-818E-DAE56AEB947F@beaffinitive.com>

John Campbell wrote:
> I am having an intermittent issue where Apache just craps out.  It
> seems to happen in the middle of the night for no reason.  It crapped
> out twice in December, and again last night.  I have no idea what the
> issue is.  There is nothing in the error log.  Restarting apache fixes
> the problem.


Is it running but not processing requests?  Or is it no longer  
running?  Maybe it's rotating log files but doesn't start back up  
properly?  Otherwise, maybe some type of odd segmentation fault?

On Mar 11, 2009, at 10:49 AM, Yitzchak Schaffer wrote:
> Hrmm, did you check the server's log files from the time of the  
> crash/shutdown?  What's the OS?

Yeah, syslog might have something.



From tom at supertom.com  Wed Mar 11 11:08:04 2009
From: tom at supertom.com (Tom Melendez)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:08:04 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Apache is killing me.
In-Reply-To: <49B7CF7A.5050106@touro.edu>
References: <8f0676b40903110728j30c92c22y2ad1ef62308b427f@mail.gmail.com>
	<49B7CF7A.5050106@touro.edu>
Message-ID: <117286890903110808w6e2ac73u458624ab8f051bc3@mail.gmail.com>

> John Campbell wrote:
>>
>> I am having an intermittent issue where Apache just craps out. ?It
>> seems to happen in the middle of the night for no reason. ?It crapped
>> out twice in December, and again last night. ?I have no idea what the
>> issue is. ?There is nothing in the error log. ?Restarting apache fixes
>> the problem.

Any cron jobs/backup running at that time?  How about log rotation?

Is the process still running and the ports just aren't accessible?

Tom
http://www.liphp.org


From ben at projectskyline.com  Wed Mar 11 11:16:52 2009
From: ben at projectskyline.com (Ben Sgro)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:16:52 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Transforming XML with XSL (XsltProcessor problems)
In-Reply-To: <001a01c9a22c$160ef6f0$422ce4d0$@com>
References: <49B6EA91.90701@projectskyline.com>
	<001a01c9a22c$160ef6f0$422ce4d0$@com>
Message-ID: <49B7D5E4.5000100@projectskyline.com>

Hey Peter,

The Data you are speaking about is what is created - not what is being 
xpathed.

see:

<Data 
xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><AccountNumber></AccountNumber></Da
ta>

Thanks,

- Ben

Peter Sawczynec wrote:
> In your XSL styleshhet looks to me like you are matching on an element
> called "Data" while the XML has an element called "DataItem". And in
> your XPATH sample that gets a result you check for the element
> "DataItem". 
>
> Warmest regards, 
>  
> Peter Sawczynec 
> Technology Dir.
> bl?studio 
> 941.893.0396
> ps at blu-studio.com 
> www.blu-studio.com 
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
> On Behalf Of Ben Sgro
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 6:33 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] Transforming XML with XSL (XsltProcessor problems)
>
> Hello,
>
> My PHP code is:
> ---------------------
>
>         $xml = new DOMDocument;
>         $xml->load($this->_payload);       
>
>            $xsltProcessor = new XsltProcessor();
>         $xsl = new DomDocument;
>         $xsl->load('../lib/Transformations/text.xsl');
>        
>         $xsltProcessor->importStylesheet($xsl);
>         $result = $xsltProcessor->transformToXml($xml);
>    
>         return $result;
>
>
> My XSL is:
> --------------
>
> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
> <xsl:stylesheet
>  xmlns:xsl="http://www.w3.org/1999/XSL/Transform" version="1.0"
>  xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"
>  >
> <xsl:template match="/">
> <xsl:element name="Data">
> <xsl:element name="AccountNumber"><xsl:value-of 
> select="//DataItem[@name='AccountNumber']/@value"/>
> </xsl:element>
> </xsl:element>
> </xsl:template>
> </xsl:stylesheet>
>
>
> And my XML is:
> ---------------------
>
> <ProfileRequest templateId="1" submitUser="asdf" 
> submitDateTime="2009-01-12T17:32:46">
>     <DataItem name="AccountNumber" value="600978"/>
> </ProfileRequest>
>
>
>
> The $result is:
> -----------------
>
> <?xml version="1.0"?>
> <Data 
> xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><AccountNumber></AccountNumber></Da
> ta>
>
> So, as you can see the AccountNumber is missing. This XSL/XML works fine
>
> in Author (XML Tool).
> Any ideas why this would fail? Also, the Xpath 
> (//DataItem[@name='AccountNumber']/@value) works
> if I make the XML a simpleXML object and call xpath on it.
>
> Thanks for your help!
>
> - Ben
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From anthony at thrillist.com  Wed Mar 11 11:25:48 2009
From: anthony at thrillist.com (Anthony Wlodarski)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:25:48 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Apache is killing me.
In-Reply-To: <8f0676b40903110728j30c92c22y2ad1ef62308b427f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C5DD503C.3FAC%anthony@thrillist.com>

When I am dealing with Apache issues I execute "apachectl status".

Here is an example of the output:
ash-3.00# ./apachectl status

                      Apache Server Status for localhost

   Server Version: Apache/2
   Server Built: Feb 14 2008 00:53:14
     _________________________________________________________________

   Current Time: Wednesday, 11-Mar-2009 11:19:24 EDT
   Restart Time: Wednesday, 11-Mar-2009 00:14:05 EDT
   Parent Server Generation: 0
   Server uptime: 11 hours 5 minutes 18 seconds
   Total accesses: 722 - Total Traffic: 8.1 MB
   CPU Usage: u2.68 s1.13 cu.91 cs0 - .0118% CPU load
   .0181 requests/sec - 211 B/second - 11.4 kB/request
   1 requests currently being processed, 14 idle workers

W_________._____................................................
................................................................
................................................................
................................................................

   Scoreboard Key:
   "_" Waiting for Connection, "S" Starting up, "R" Reading Request,
   "W" Sending Reply, "K" Keepalive (read), "D" DNS Lookup,
   "C" Closing connection, "L" Logging, "G" Gracefully finishing,
   "I" Idle cleanup of worker, "." Open slot with no current process


So you can see what is going if it restarted on its own in addition to what it is currently processing.  (apachectl is usually in /usr/sbin).  In addition to syslog if Apache is just faulting I would check "error_log" (usually located in "/var/log/httpd").

Hope this helps.


--
Anthony Wlodarski
www.thrillist.com <http://www.thrillist.com>
Web Applications Developer
568 Broadway Ste. 605
New York, NY, 10012
(o) 646.786.1944


________________________________
From: John Campbell <jcampbell1 at gmail.com>
Reply-To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:28:28 -0700
To: <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Apache is killing me.

I am having an intermittent issue where Apache just craps out.  It
seems to happen in the middle of the night for no reason.  It crapped
out twice in December, and again last night.  I have no idea what the
issue is.  There is nothing in the error log.  Restarting apache fixes
the problem.

Does anyone have any ideas or suggestions?

Regards,
John Campbell
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From chsnyder at gmail.com  Wed Mar 11 11:36:31 2009
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:36:31 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Apache is killing me.
In-Reply-To: <8f0676b40903110728j30c92c22y2ad1ef62308b427f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8f0676b40903110728j30c92c22y2ad1ef62308b427f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b76252690903110836n64179efcia400b0289b867fc3@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 10:28 AM, John Campbell <jcampbell1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I am having an intermittent issue where Apache just craps out. ?It
> seems to happen in the middle of the night for no reason. ?It crapped
> out twice in December, and again last night. ?I have no idea what the
> issue is. ?There is nothing in the error log. ?Restarting apache fixes
> the problem.
>
> Does anyone have any ideas or suggestions?
>
> Regards,
> John Campbell

Definitely check the logs to see what was being requested at the time.
Sometimes a search bot finds it's way into dynamic pages and goes
crazy, but you could also have something that is being exploited to
crash Apache and create a denial of service or worse.

If you are running an out-of-date version of Apache or PHP or anything
else that is being handled by Apache, it's probably time to upgrade.

You might also have a memory leak somewhere in your code, or a
"forever" loop that traps the server process in an unending cycle. Do
you have some way of watching/logging memory usage?

Setting MaxRequestsPerChild to a low value can be a temporary
workaround for memory-related issues, at the expense of overall
performance.


Chris Snyder
http://chxor.chxo.com/


From jcampbell1 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 11 11:58:50 2009
From: jcampbell1 at gmail.com (John Campbell)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:58:50 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Apache is killing me.
In-Reply-To: <12D5742A-143B-44BE-818E-DAE56AEB947F@beaffinitive.com>
References: <8f0676b40903110728j30c92c22y2ad1ef62308b427f@mail.gmail.com>
	<49B7CF7A.5050106@touro.edu>
	<12D5742A-143B-44BE-818E-DAE56AEB947F@beaffinitive.com>
Message-ID: <8f0676b40903110858v54896ef4nd23d1b6992bd3114@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Rob Marscher
<rmarscher at beaffinitive.com> wrote:

> Is it running but not processing requests? ?Or is it no longer running?
> ?Maybe it's rotating log files but doesn't start back up properly?
> ?Otherwise, maybe some type of odd segmentation fault?

I am pretty sure it is running, but as soon as I found the issue, I
restarted it immediately, so I can't say for sure.  There is nothing
in either the syslog or apache logs that is illuminating.  The only
thing that is obvious is the lack anything in the logs during the time
apache was not working.

I rotate the logs manually (probably not the best idea), but it can't
be a log rotate issue.

Any advice on what I should do before restarting apache the next time
it happens?

> On Mar 11, 2009, at 10:49 AM, Yitzchak Schaffer wrote:
>>
>> Hrmm, did you check the server's log files from the time of the
>> crash/shutdown? ?What's the OS?
>
> Yeah, syslog might have something.

Nothing unusual there.


From ajai at bitblit.net  Wed Mar 11 12:59:42 2009
From: ajai at bitblit.net (Ajai Khattri)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:59:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Apache is killing me.
In-Reply-To: <C5DD503C.3FAC%anthony@thrillist.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0903111259060.28718-100000@bitblit.net>

On Wed, 11 Mar 2009, Anthony Wlodarski wrote:

> When I am dealing with Apache issues I execute "apachectl status".

I believe that only works if you have server-info enabled, right?


-- 
Aj.



From ajai at bitblit.net  Wed Mar 11 13:12:22 2009
From: ajai at bitblit.net (Ajai Khattri)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:12:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Apache is killing me.
In-Reply-To: <8f0676b40903110858v54896ef4nd23d1b6992bd3114@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0903111311520.28718-100000@bitblit.net>

On Wed, 11 Mar 2009, John Campbell wrote:

> I rotate the logs manually (probably not the best idea), but it can't
> be a log rotate issue.

Do you have your error logs separate from your access logs? For each 
vhost?



-- 
Aj.



From ioplex at gmail.com  Wed Mar 11 13:26:15 2009
From: ioplex at gmail.com (Michael B Allen)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:26:15 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Apache is killing me.
In-Reply-To: <8f0676b40903110858v54896ef4nd23d1b6992bd3114@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8f0676b40903110728j30c92c22y2ad1ef62308b427f@mail.gmail.com>
	<49B7CF7A.5050106@touro.edu>
	<12D5742A-143B-44BE-818E-DAE56AEB947F@beaffinitive.com>
	<8f0676b40903110858v54896ef4nd23d1b6992bd3114@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <78c6bd860903111026o4351f8dej9b8ed46ee56c426e@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:58 AM, John Campbell <jcampbell1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Rob Marscher
> <rmarscher at beaffinitive.com> wrote:
>
>> Is it running but not processing requests? ?Or is it no longer running?
>> ?Maybe it's rotating log files but doesn't start back up properly?
>> ?Otherwise, maybe some type of odd segmentation fault?
>
> I am pretty sure it is running, but as soon as I found the issue, I
> restarted it immediately, so I can't say for sure. ?There is nothing
> in either the syslog or apache logs that is illuminating. ?The only
> thing that is obvious is the lack anything in the logs during the time
> apache was not working.
>
> I rotate the logs manually (probably not the best idea), but it can't
> be a log rotate issue.

What is the platform? Is it Linux? Are workers dying? Run:

  # ps fax | grep httpd

before and during and after the problem to see if workers are actually running.

If they are running (as opposed to crashing) then use tcpdump and
WireShark to find out what port the browser is using. Can the browser
even establish a socket? If yes, note the port number.

Then (quickly) use lsof to determine which process the socket is
connected to like:

  # lsof | grep <portnumber>

Then run gdb on that pid like:

  # gdb /usr/sbin/httpd <pid>

This will load symbols and give you a prompt. Then type 'bt' for a
backtrace. If you don't know how to interpret the backtrace, post it
here.

Mike

-- 
Michael B Allen
Java Active Directory Integration
http://www.ioplex.com/


From tegwe002 at umn.edu  Wed Mar 11 14:17:22 2009
From: tegwe002 at umn.edu (Joelle Tegwen)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:17:22 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Transforming XML with XSL (XsltProcessor problems)
In-Reply-To: <49B6EA91.90701@projectskyline.com>
References: <49B6EA91.90701@projectskyline.com>
Message-ID: <49B80032.6010409@umn.edu>

This worked for me.  PHP 5.2.6-2ubuntu4.1 with Suhosin-Patch 0.9.6.2

        $xml =<<<XML
<ProfileRequest templateId="1" submitUser="asdf" 
submitDateTime="2009-01-12T17:32:46">
   <DataItem name="AccountNumber" value="600978"/>
</ProfileRequest>
XML;

        $xsl =<<<XSL
<xsl:stylesheet
xmlns:xsl="http://www.w3.org/1999/XSL/Transform" version="1.0"
xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
<xsl:template match="/ProfileRequest">
<Data>
<AccountNumber>
    <xsl:value-of select="DataItem[@name='AccountNumber']/@value"/>
</AccountNumber>
</Data>
</xsl:template>
</xsl:stylesheet>
XSL;


Ben Sgro wrote:
> Hello,
>
> My PHP code is:
> ---------------------
>
>        $xml = new DOMDocument;
>        $xml->load($this->_payload);      
>           $xsltProcessor = new XsltProcessor();
>        $xsl = new DomDocument;
>        $xsl->load('../lib/Transformations/text.xsl');
>              $xsltProcessor->importStylesheet($xsl);
>        $result = $xsltProcessor->transformToXml($xml);
>          return $result;
>
>
> My XSL is:
> --------------
>
> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
> <xsl:stylesheet
> xmlns:xsl="http://www.w3.org/1999/XSL/Transform" version="1.0"
> xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"
> >
> <xsl:template match="/">
> <xsl:element name="Data">
> <xsl:element name="AccountNumber"><xsl:value-of 
> select="//DataItem[@name='AccountNumber']/@value"/>
> </xsl:element>
> </xsl:element>
> </xsl:template>
> </xsl:stylesheet>
>
>
> And my XML is:
> ---------------------
>
> <ProfileRequest templateId="1" submitUser="asdf" 
> submitDateTime="2009-01-12T17:32:46">
>    <DataItem name="AccountNumber" value="600978"/>
> </ProfileRequest>
>
>
>
> The $result is:
> -----------------
>
> <?xml version="1.0"?>
> <Data 
> xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><AccountNumber></AccountNumber></Data> 
>
>
> So, as you can see the AccountNumber is missing. This XSL/XML works 
> fine in Author (XML Tool).
> Any ideas why this would fail? Also, the Xpath 
> (//DataItem[@name='AccountNumber']/@value) works
> if I make the XML a simpleXML object and call xpath on it.
>
> Thanks for your help!
>
> - Ben
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
>


From y2rob at aol.com  Wed Mar 11 14:33:32 2009
From: y2rob at aol.com (y2rob at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:33:32 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Apache is killing me.
In-Reply-To: <78c6bd860903111026o4351f8dej9b8ed46ee56c426e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8f0676b40903110728j30c92c22y2ad1ef62308b427f@mail.gmail.com><49B7CF7A.5050106@touro.edu><12D5742A-143B-44BE-818E-DAE56AEB947F@beaffinitive.com><8f0676b40903110858v54896ef4nd23d1b6992bd3114@mail.gmail.com>
	<78c6bd860903111026o4351f8dej9b8ed46ee56c426e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CB708F03811B8D-2E8-F09@WEBMAIL-MB10.sysops.aol.com>


 hello,
i might suggest using:

http://mmonit.com/monit/
or 
http://god.rubyforge.org/ - though this requires having ruby on your server so monit might be better :)

to help with the server monitoring and trigger notifications if you want.

~rob


 


 

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael B Allen <ioplex at gmail.com>
To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 1:26 pm
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Apache is killing me.










On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:58 AM, John Campbell <jcampbell1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Rob Marscher
> <rmarscher at beaffinitive.com> wrote:
>
>> Is it running but not processing requests? ?Or is it no longer running?
>> ?Maybe it's rotating log files but doesn't start back up properly?
>> ?Otherwise, maybe some type of odd segmentation fault?
>
> I am pretty sure it is running, but as soon as I found the issue, I
> restarted it immediately, so I can't say for sure. ?There is nothing
> in either the syslog or apache logs that is illuminating. ?The only
> thing that is obvious is the lack anything in the logs during the time
> apache was not working.
>
> I rotate the logs manually (probably not the best idea), but it can't
> be a log rotate issue.

What is the platform? Is it Linux? Are workers dying? Run:

  # ps fax | grep httpd

before and during and after the problem to see if workers are actually running.

If they are running (as opposed to crashing) then use tcpdump and
WireShark to find out what port the browser is using. Can the browser
even establish a socket? If yes, note the port number.

Then (quickly) use lsof to determine which process the socket is
connected to like:

  # lsof | grep <portnumber>

Then run gdb on that pid like:

  # gdb /usr/sbin/httpd <pid>

This will load symbols and give you a prompt. Then type 'bt' for a
backtrace. If you don't know how to interpret the backtrace, post it
here.

Mike

-- 
Michael B Allen
Java Active Directory Integration
http://www.ioplex.com/
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From ben at projectskyline.com  Wed Mar 11 14:40:46 2009
From: ben at projectskyline.com (Ben Sgro)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:40:46 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Transforming XML with XSL (XsltProcessor problems)
In-Reply-To: <49B80032.6010409@umn.edu>
References: <49B6EA91.90701@projectskyline.com> <49B80032.6010409@umn.edu>
Message-ID: <49B805AE.4000608@projectskyline.com>

Thanks for the feedback

The error was super simple:

        $xml = new DOMDocument;
        $xml->loadXML($this->_payload);

        $xsl = new DOMDocument;
        $xsl->load($this->_filePath);

        $proc = new XSLTProcessor;
        $proc->importStyleSheet($xsl);
       
        return $proc->transformToXML($xml);    

I was calling load(STRING) vs loadXML(STRING), so when it attempting to 
transform the XML, it (the dom doc) was empty - it didn't load the xml 
string data.
Too bad it doesn't throw an error or exception if an argument is incorrect.

- Ben

Joelle Tegwen wrote:
> This worked for me.  PHP 5.2.6-2ubuntu4.1 with Suhosin-Patch 0.9.6.2
>
>        $xml =<<<XML
> <ProfileRequest templateId="1" submitUser="asdf" 
> submitDateTime="2009-01-12T17:32:46">
>   <DataItem name="AccountNumber" value="600978"/>
> </ProfileRequest>
> XML;
>
>        $xsl =<<<XSL
> <xsl:stylesheet
> xmlns:xsl="http://www.w3.org/1999/XSL/Transform" version="1.0"
> xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
> <xsl:template match="/ProfileRequest">
> <Data>
> <AccountNumber>
>    <xsl:value-of select="DataItem[@name='AccountNumber']/@value"/>
> </AccountNumber>
> </Data>
> </xsl:template>
> </xsl:stylesheet>
> XSL;
>
>
> Ben Sgro wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> My PHP code is:
>> ---------------------
>>
>>        $xml = new DOMDocument;
>>        $xml->load($this->_payload);                $xsltProcessor = 
>> new XsltProcessor();
>>        $xsl = new DomDocument;
>>        $xsl->load('../lib/Transformations/text.xsl');
>>              $xsltProcessor->importStylesheet($xsl);
>>        $result = $xsltProcessor->transformToXml($xml);
>>          return $result;
>>
>>
>> My XSL is:
>> --------------
>>
>> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
>> <xsl:stylesheet
>> xmlns:xsl="http://www.w3.org/1999/XSL/Transform" version="1.0"
>> xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"
>> >
>> <xsl:template match="/">
>> <xsl:element name="Data">
>> <xsl:element name="AccountNumber"><xsl:value-of 
>> select="//DataItem[@name='AccountNumber']/@value"/>
>> </xsl:element>
>> </xsl:element>
>> </xsl:template>
>> </xsl:stylesheet>
>>
>>
>> And my XML is:
>> ---------------------
>>
>> <ProfileRequest templateId="1" submitUser="asdf" 
>> submitDateTime="2009-01-12T17:32:46">
>>    <DataItem name="AccountNumber" value="600978"/>
>> </ProfileRequest>
>>
>>
>>
>> The $result is:
>> -----------------
>>
>> <?xml version="1.0"?>
>> <Data 
>> xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><AccountNumber></AccountNumber></Data> 
>>
>>
>> So, as you can see the AccountNumber is missing. This XSL/XML works 
>> fine in Author (XML Tool).
>> Any ideas why this would fail? Also, the Xpath 
>> (//DataItem[@name='AccountNumber']/@value) works
>> if I make the XML a simpleXML object and call xpath on it.
>>
>> Thanks for your help!
>>
>> - Ben
>> _______________________________________________
>> New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
>> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>>
>> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
>>
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
>


From tegwe002 at umn.edu  Wed Mar 11 14:57:15 2009
From: tegwe002 at umn.edu (Joelle Tegwen)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:57:15 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Transforming XML with XSL (XsltProcessor problems)
In-Reply-To: <49B805AE.4000608@projectskyline.com>
References: <49B6EA91.90701@projectskyline.com> <49B80032.6010409@umn.edu>
	<49B805AE.4000608@projectskyline.com>
Message-ID: <49B8098B.3080808@umn.edu>

Yeah, I've found this to be fairly cumbersome. I use it a lot so I wrote 
a class that wraps this functionality. I can pass in any kind of xml 
(DomDocument, SimpleXMLElement, string, file locaiton, etc) and it just 
handles it all for me.

BTW - unless you need it // is relatively expensive in xslt. You should 
use relative paths whenever possible.

Glad you figured it out.
Joelle

Ben Sgro wrote:
> Thanks for the feedback
>
> The error was super simple:
>
>        $xml = new DOMDocument;
>        $xml->loadXML($this->_payload);
>
>        $xsl = new DOMDocument;
>        $xsl->load($this->_filePath);
>
>        $proc = new XSLTProcessor;
>        $proc->importStyleSheet($xsl);
>              return $proc->transformToXML($xml);   
> I was calling load(STRING) vs loadXML(STRING), so when it attempting 
> to transform the XML, it (the dom doc) was empty - it didn't load the 
> xml string data.
> Too bad it doesn't throw an error or exception if an argument is 
> incorrect.
>
> - Ben
>
> Joelle Tegwen wrote:
>> This worked for me.  PHP 5.2.6-2ubuntu4.1 with Suhosin-Patch 0.9.6.2
>>
>>        $xml =<<<XML
>> <ProfileRequest templateId="1" submitUser="asdf" 
>> submitDateTime="2009-01-12T17:32:46">
>>   <DataItem name="AccountNumber" value="600978"/>
>> </ProfileRequest>
>> XML;
>>
>>        $xsl =<<<XSL
>> <xsl:stylesheet
>> xmlns:xsl="http://www.w3.org/1999/XSL/Transform" version="1.0"
>> xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
>> <xsl:template match="/ProfileRequest">
>> <Data>
>> <AccountNumber>
>>    <xsl:value-of select="DataItem[@name='AccountNumber']/@value"/>
>> </AccountNumber>
>> </Data>
>> </xsl:template>
>> </xsl:stylesheet>
>> XSL;
>>
>>
>> Ben Sgro wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> My PHP code is:
>>> ---------------------
>>>
>>>        $xml = new DOMDocument;
>>>        $xml->load($this->_payload);                $xsltProcessor = 
>>> new XsltProcessor();
>>>        $xsl = new DomDocument;
>>>        $xsl->load('../lib/Transformations/text.xsl');
>>>              $xsltProcessor->importStylesheet($xsl);
>>>        $result = $xsltProcessor->transformToXml($xml);
>>>          return $result;
>>>
>>>
>>> My XSL is:
>>> --------------
>>>
>>> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
>>> <xsl:stylesheet
>>> xmlns:xsl="http://www.w3.org/1999/XSL/Transform" version="1.0"
>>> xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"
>>> >
>>> <xsl:template match="/">
>>> <xsl:element name="Data">
>>> <xsl:element name="AccountNumber"><xsl:value-of 
>>> select="//DataItem[@name='AccountNumber']/@value"/>
>>> </xsl:element>
>>> </xsl:element>
>>> </xsl:template>
>>> </xsl:stylesheet>
>>>
>>>
>>> And my XML is:
>>> ---------------------
>>>
>>> <ProfileRequest templateId="1" submitUser="asdf" 
>>> submitDateTime="2009-01-12T17:32:46">
>>>    <DataItem name="AccountNumber" value="600978"/>
>>> </ProfileRequest>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The $result is:
>>> -----------------
>>>
>>> <?xml version="1.0"?>
>>> <Data 
>>> xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><AccountNumber></AccountNumber></Data> 
>>>
>>>
>>> So, as you can see the AccountNumber is missing. This XSL/XML works 
>>> fine in Author (XML Tool).
>>> Any ideas why this would fail? Also, the Xpath 
>>> (//DataItem[@name='AccountNumber']/@value) works
>>> if I make the XML a simpleXML object and call xpath on it.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your help!
>>>
>>> - Ben
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
>>> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>>>
>>> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
>> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>>
>> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
>>
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
>


From ben at projectskyline.com  Wed Mar 11 15:13:54 2009
From: ben at projectskyline.com (Ben Sgro)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:13:54 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Transforming XML with XSL (XsltProcessor problems)
In-Reply-To: <49B8098B.3080808@umn.edu>
References: <49B6EA91.90701@projectskyline.com>
	<49B80032.6010409@umn.edu>	<49B805AE.4000608@projectskyline.com>
	<49B8098B.3080808@umn.edu>
Message-ID: <49B80D72.6010900@projectskyline.com>

Hey Joelle,

Thanks - care to share the class?

I'll reconsider the XSL - thanks.

- Ben

Joelle Tegwen wrote:
> Yeah, I've found this to be fairly cumbersome. I use it a lot so I 
> wrote a class that wraps this functionality. I can pass in any kind of 
> xml (DomDocument, SimpleXMLElement, string, file locaiton, etc) and it 
> just handles it all for me.
>
> BTW - unless you need it // is relatively expensive in xslt. You 
> should use relative paths whenever possible.
>
> Glad you figured it out.
> Joelle
>
> Ben Sgro wrote:
>> Thanks for the feedback
>>
>> The error was super simple:
>>
>>        $xml = new DOMDocument;
>>        $xml->loadXML($this->_payload);
>>
>>        $xsl = new DOMDocument;
>>        $xsl->load($this->_filePath);
>>
>>        $proc = new XSLTProcessor;
>>        $proc->importStyleSheet($xsl);
>>              return $proc->transformToXML($xml);   I was calling 
>> load(STRING) vs loadXML(STRING), so when it attempting to transform 
>> the XML, it (the dom doc) was empty - it didn't load the xml string 
>> data.
>> Too bad it doesn't throw an error or exception if an argument is 
>> incorrect.
>>
>> - Ben
>>
>> Joelle Tegwen wrote:
>>> This worked for me.  PHP 5.2.6-2ubuntu4.1 with Suhosin-Patch 0.9.6.2
>>>
>>>        $xml =<<<XML
>>> <ProfileRequest templateId="1" submitUser="asdf" 
>>> submitDateTime="2009-01-12T17:32:46">
>>>   <DataItem name="AccountNumber" value="600978"/>
>>> </ProfileRequest>
>>> XML;
>>>
>>>        $xsl =<<<XSL
>>> <xsl:stylesheet
>>> xmlns:xsl="http://www.w3.org/1999/XSL/Transform" version="1.0"
>>> xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
>>> <xsl:template match="/ProfileRequest">
>>> <Data>
>>> <AccountNumber>
>>>    <xsl:value-of select="DataItem[@name='AccountNumber']/@value"/>
>>> </AccountNumber>
>>> </Data>
>>> </xsl:template>
>>> </xsl:stylesheet>
>>> XSL;
>>>
>>>
>>> Ben Sgro wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> My PHP code is:
>>>> ---------------------
>>>>
>>>>        $xml = new DOMDocument;
>>>>        $xml->load($this->_payload);                $xsltProcessor = 
>>>> new XsltProcessor();
>>>>        $xsl = new DomDocument;
>>>>        $xsl->load('../lib/Transformations/text.xsl');
>>>>              $xsltProcessor->importStylesheet($xsl);
>>>>        $result = $xsltProcessor->transformToXml($xml);
>>>>          return $result;
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My XSL is:
>>>> --------------
>>>>
>>>> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
>>>> <xsl:stylesheet
>>>> xmlns:xsl="http://www.w3.org/1999/XSL/Transform" version="1.0"
>>>> xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"
>>>> >
>>>> <xsl:template match="/">
>>>> <xsl:element name="Data">
>>>> <xsl:element name="AccountNumber"><xsl:value-of 
>>>> select="//DataItem[@name='AccountNumber']/@value"/>
>>>> </xsl:element>
>>>> </xsl:element>
>>>> </xsl:template>
>>>> </xsl:stylesheet>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And my XML is:
>>>> ---------------------
>>>>
>>>> <ProfileRequest templateId="1" submitUser="asdf" 
>>>> submitDateTime="2009-01-12T17:32:46">
>>>>    <DataItem name="AccountNumber" value="600978"/>
>>>> </ProfileRequest>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The $result is:
>>>> -----------------
>>>>
>>>> <?xml version="1.0"?>
>>>> <Data 
>>>> xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><AccountNumber></AccountNumber></Data> 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So, as you can see the AccountNumber is missing. This XSL/XML works 
>>>> fine in Author (XML Tool).
>>>> Any ideas why this would fail? Also, the Xpath 
>>>> (//DataItem[@name='AccountNumber']/@value) works
>>>> if I make the XML a simpleXML object and call xpath on it.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your help!
>>>>
>>>> - Ben
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
>>>> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
>>> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>>>
>>> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
>> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>>
>> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
>>
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
>


From tegwe002 at umn.edu  Wed Mar 11 15:31:42 2009
From: tegwe002 at umn.edu (Joelle Tegwen)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:31:42 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Transforming XML with XSL (XsltProcessor problems)
In-Reply-To: <49B80D72.6010900@projectskyline.com>
References: <49B6EA91.90701@projectskyline.com>	<49B80032.6010409@umn.edu>	<49B805AE.4000608@projectskyline.com>	<49B8098B.3080808@umn.edu>
	<49B80D72.6010900@projectskyline.com>
Message-ID: <49B8119E.1070802@umn.edu>

It's not quite where I would like it to be, but here it is. I included 
my custom Exception class, but it extends another, which I did not 
include. So you'll want to do something with that first.

Improvements welcome. :)

Hope this helps.
Joelle

Ben Sgro wrote:
> Hey Joelle,
>
> Thanks - care to share the class?
>
> I'll reconsider the XSL - thanks.
>
> - Ben
>
> Joelle Tegwen wrote:
>> Yeah, I've found this to be fairly cumbersome. I use it a lot so I 
>> wrote a class that wraps this functionality. I can pass in any kind 
>> of xml (DomDocument, SimpleXMLElement, string, file locaiton, etc) 
>> and it just handles it all for me.
>>
>> BTW - unless you need it // is relatively expensive in xslt. You 
>> should use relative paths whenever possible.
>>
>> Glad you figured it out.
>> Joelle
>>
>> Ben Sgro wrote:
>>> Thanks for the feedback
>>>
>>> The error was super simple:
>>>
>>>        $xml = new DOMDocument;
>>>        $xml->loadXML($this->_payload);
>>>
>>>        $xsl = new DOMDocument;
>>>        $xsl->load($this->_filePath);
>>>
>>>        $proc = new XSLTProcessor;
>>>        $proc->importStyleSheet($xsl);
>>>              return $proc->transformToXML($xml);   I was calling 
>>> load(STRING) vs loadXML(STRING), so when it attempting to transform 
>>> the XML, it (the dom doc) was empty - it didn't load the xml string 
>>> data.
>>> Too bad it doesn't throw an error or exception if an argument is 
>>> incorrect.
>>>
>>> - Ben
>>>
>>> Joelle Tegwen wrote:
>>>> This worked for me.  PHP 5.2.6-2ubuntu4.1 with Suhosin-Patch 0.9.6.2
>>>>
>>>>        $xml =<<<XML
>>>> <ProfileRequest templateId="1" submitUser="asdf" 
>>>> submitDateTime="2009-01-12T17:32:46">
>>>>   <DataItem name="AccountNumber" value="600978"/>
>>>> </ProfileRequest>
>>>> XML;
>>>>
>>>>        $xsl =<<<XSL
>>>> <xsl:stylesheet
>>>> xmlns:xsl="http://www.w3.org/1999/XSL/Transform" version="1.0"
>>>> xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
>>>> <xsl:template match="/ProfileRequest">
>>>> <Data>
>>>> <AccountNumber>
>>>>    <xsl:value-of select="DataItem[@name='AccountNumber']/@value"/>
>>>> </AccountNumber>
>>>> </Data>
>>>> </xsl:template>
>>>> </xsl:stylesheet>
>>>> XSL;
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ben Sgro wrote:
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> My PHP code is:
>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>        $xml = new DOMDocument;
>>>>>        $xml->load($this->_payload);                $xsltProcessor 
>>>>> = new XsltProcessor();
>>>>>        $xsl = new DomDocument;
>>>>>        $xsl->load('../lib/Transformations/text.xsl');
>>>>>              $xsltProcessor->importStylesheet($xsl);
>>>>>        $result = $xsltProcessor->transformToXml($xml);
>>>>>          return $result;
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> My XSL is:
>>>>> --------------
>>>>>
>>>>> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
>>>>> <xsl:stylesheet
>>>>> xmlns:xsl="http://www.w3.org/1999/XSL/Transform" version="1.0"
>>>>> xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"
>>>>> >
>>>>> <xsl:template match="/">
>>>>> <xsl:element name="Data">
>>>>> <xsl:element name="AccountNumber"><xsl:value-of 
>>>>> select="//DataItem[@name='AccountNumber']/@value"/>
>>>>> </xsl:element>
>>>>> </xsl:element>
>>>>> </xsl:template>
>>>>> </xsl:stylesheet>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And my XML is:
>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> <ProfileRequest templateId="1" submitUser="asdf" 
>>>>> submitDateTime="2009-01-12T17:32:46">
>>>>>    <DataItem name="AccountNumber" value="600978"/>
>>>>> </ProfileRequest>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The $result is:
>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>
>>>>> <?xml version="1.0"?>
>>>>> <Data 
>>>>> xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><AccountNumber></AccountNumber></Data> 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So, as you can see the AccountNumber is missing. This XSL/XML 
>>>>> works fine in Author (XML Tool).
>>>>> Any ideas why this would fail? Also, the Xpath 
>>>>> (//DataItem[@name='AccountNumber']/@value) works
>>>>> if I make the XML a simpleXML object and call xpath on it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for your help!
>>>>>
>>>>> - Ben
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
>>>>> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>>>>>
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From vtbludgeon at gmail.com  Wed Mar 11 15:46:09 2009
From: vtbludgeon at gmail.com (David Mintz)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:46:09 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Changing your site look - What is the norm
In-Reply-To: <008201c9a1af$8f63a230$ae2ae690$@com>
References: <a304e2d60903090812m1cd6bffak3b915f314bf1f2a0@mail.gmail.com>
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Cragislist has got to be considered a special case. They clearly pride
themselves on looking as ugly and boring as possible.

2009/3/10 Peter Sawczynec <ps at blu-studio.com>

>  [...]
>
> *Craigslist.* Looks dated.
>
>  <http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php>
>



-- 
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http://davidmintz.org/

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From jstevison at me.com  Wed Mar 11 15:52:07 2009
From: jstevison at me.com (Jeffrey Stevison)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:52:07 -0600
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Changing your site look - What is the norm
In-Reply-To: <721f1cc50903111246w3fa105edg32fcad1ab2abbed8@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mar 11, 2009, at 1:46 PM, David Mintz wrote:

> Cragislist has got to be considered a special case. They clearly  
> pride themselves on looking as ugly and boring as possible.
>
> 2009/3/10 Peter Sawczynec <ps at blu-studio.com>
> [...]
> Craigslist. Looks dated.
>
Amen.  I think Craigslist is pretty bad design and could use better  
navigation for sure.  They are not so popular because of their  
design.  They are so popular because it's a free place to sell items  
for most people.
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From fgabrieli at gmail.com  Wed Mar 11 16:51:33 2009
From: fgabrieli at gmail.com (Fernando Gabrieli)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:51:33 -0300
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Changing your site look - What is the norm
In-Reply-To: <3F0953A6-15F4-4DC4-99AD-50B9354463D5@me.com>
References: <a304e2d60903090812m1cd6bffak3b915f314bf1f2a0@mail.gmail.com>
	<008301c9a0e7$055d4d20$1017e760$@com>
	<c5949a380903091848n8162a35q552b69a5db142553@mail.gmail.com>
	<008201c9a1af$8f63a230$ae2ae690$@com>
	<721f1cc50903111246w3fa105edg32fcad1ab2abbed8@mail.gmail.com>
	<3F0953A6-15F4-4DC4-99AD-50B9354463D5@me.com>
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its probably a new topic, why a site is successful where others dont event
get 1 comment posted...why craiglist was successful?


On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Jeffrey Stevison <jstevison at me.com> wrote:

>
> On Mar 11, 2009, at 1:46 PM, David Mintz wrote:
>
> Cragislist has got to be considered a special case. They clearly pride
> themselves on looking as ugly and boring as possible.
>
> 2009/3/10 Peter Sawczynec <ps at blu-studio.com>
>
>>  [...]
>>
>> *Craigslist.* Looks dated.
>>
> Amen.  I think Craigslist is pretty bad design and could use better
> navigation for sure.  They are not so popular because of their design.  They
> are so popular because it's a free place to sell items for most people.
>
> _______________________________________________
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From fgabrieli at gmail.com  Wed Mar 11 16:54:31 2009
From: fgabrieli at gmail.com (Fernando Gabrieli)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:54:31 -0300
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Changing your site look - What is the norm
In-Reply-To: <a304e2d60903090812m1cd6bffak3b915f314bf1f2a0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a304e2d60903090812m1cd6bffak3b915f314bf1f2a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <be1d525a0903111354p66669fb5n1f1651adc0217b34@mail.gmail.com>

it depends, for web 2.0 sites the tendency is to update changes very fast
and see what happens with the community

other sites are updated periodically (defined by the admin) whenever there
are important changes

news sections are updated very often, contact sections may never be updated

it depends on the client/public and the information



best,
fernando

On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 12:12 PM, N?stor <rotsen at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi people,
>
> I was wondering if there is a norm of how often a corporate or goverment
> site should be redone.
> Is there such rule?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nestor :-)
>
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From fgabrieli at gmail.com  Wed Mar 11 17:01:17 2009
From: fgabrieli at gmail.com (Fernando Gabrieli)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:01:17 -0300
Subject: [nycphp-talk] generate random unique 8-digit number
In-Reply-To: <49B77254.7010102@marnik.net>
References: <BLU126-W51A299B45B883C501DB1CE8A10@phx.gbl>
	<49B73258.1070105@nyc.rr.com> <49B77254.7010102@marnik.net>
Message-ID: <be1d525a0903111401q5070236ev55aa4ae8304b0186@mail.gmail.com>

dont forget that md5($anyString) can return two hashes with the same value
(if you have a db with 1,000,000 entries using this, it may happen)

best,
fernando

On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 5:12 AM, Artur Marnik <artur at marnik.net> wrote:

> Joey Derrico wrote:
>
>> One possibility would be to make a DB table with 2 columns. One where each
>> row has a value from 00000000 through 99999999, and the other column marked
>> as for used. When you need to generate the random number you can query the
>> database for each # not currently used and select randomly from the values
>> not in use and just update the DB to mark it as used so it won't come up
>> again. You won't have repeating numbers then. However it will slow down your
>> application because that is a lot of rows to go through.
>>
>> Joey Derrico
>>
>
> actually query like:
> select id, rand_number from rand_numbers where used = '0' limit 1;
> and then:
> update rand_numbers set used = '1' where id = '$row['id']'
>
> will be very fast even if table has millions of entries
> only generating the numbers will be slow but you have to run it only once
>
> also make sure to lock the table before and unlock after so you don't have
> two users selecting the same entry
>
> this solution is good only if you know how many random number you will need
> another way is to use two tables - prefix and then rand_numbers
> prefix has only one entry and you concat it with value selected from second
> table
> after you run out of random numbers you just have to empty random_numbers
> table and regenerate values and change prefix to something else
>
> but it is all complicated and I will just use old good md5(uniqid(rand(),
> true)) if possible
>
> Artur
>
>
>
>
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From paul at devonianfarm.com  Wed Mar 11 17:26:25 2009
From: paul at devonianfarm.com (Paul A Houle)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:26:25 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Changing your site look - What is the norm
In-Reply-To: <be1d525a0903111351j7f84273dn4131bf8de7c6f753@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a304e2d60903090812m1cd6bffak3b915f314bf1f2a0@mail.gmail.com>	<008301c9a0e7$055d4d20$1017e760$@com>	<c5949a380903091848n8162a35q552b69a5db142553@mail.gmail.com>	<008201c9a1af$8f63a230$ae2ae690$@com>	<721f1cc50903111246w3fa105edg32fcad1ab2abbed8@mail.gmail.com>	<3F0953A6-15F4-4DC4-99AD-50B9354463D5@me.com>
	<be1d525a0903111351j7f84273dn4131bf8de7c6f753@mail.gmail.com>
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Fernando Gabrieli wrote:
> its probably a new topic, why a site is successful where others dont 
> event get 1 comment posted...why craiglist was successful?
>
    That's a big question.

    Many successful sites have bodies buried somewhere.  Up until 2002 
or so,  it was possible to launch new community sites with e-mail spam 
campaigns.  If you tried to do that today you'd have servers,  ip 
addresses,  really anything associated with the operation burned pretty 
quick.  (Not like I'd know or anything...)

    Community sites tend to be two-sided makets:  for instance,  people 
posting personal ads and people reading personal ads.  It's very hard to 
dislodge an established competitor in this kind of market.  Amazon,  
Yahoo and other sites with big user lists tried adding auctions after 
Ebay was successful,  but it was always a flop -- why try to buy 
something in a place where nobody is selling?  why try to sell something 
in a place where nobody is buying?

    In early phases,  2-sided markets grow according to a differential 
equation where dx/dt is proportional to x^2.  This equation gives you 
slower-than-exponential growth in  the early phases (site that never 
gets established) and crosses over to super-exponential growth before 
hitting a singularity and going infinite at a finite time.  Of course,  
limiting terms make the singularity go away in real life.

    It helps,  therefore,  to be the first person in a market with a 
"good enough" product...  There are some cases where products that 
aren't "good enough" fail until something successful comes along:  for 
instance,  a number of del.icio.us-type sites were created in the 
1990's,  and they just didn't go anywhere.  del.icio.us got the user 
interface right for putting content in,  and nobody ever seemed to 
notice that the interface for getting content out is entirely deficient.

    Some sites connect with a community and some don't.  There are some 
subjects that people are interested in talking about and others that 
they aren't -- sometimes the people that talk don't know and the people 
that know don't talk.
   

   








From jcampbell1 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 11 18:16:59 2009
From: jcampbell1 at gmail.com (John Campbell)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:16:59 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] generate random unique 8-digit number
In-Reply-To: <be1d525a0903111401q5070236ev55aa4ae8304b0186@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BLU126-W51A299B45B883C501DB1CE8A10@phx.gbl>
	<49B73258.1070105@nyc.rr.com> <49B77254.7010102@marnik.net>
	<be1d525a0903111401q5070236ev55aa4ae8304b0186@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8f0676b40903111516i200d0c9es4fe8749e9a8ef619@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 5:01 PM, Fernando Gabrieli <fgabrieli at gmail.com> wrote:
> dont forget that md5($anyString) can return two hashes with the same value
> (if you have a db with 1,000,000 entries using this, it may happen)

The odds of an MD5 collision with 1,000,000 entries is
0.0000000000000000000000000001%

That is a risk I am willing to take.

Regards,
John Campbell


From ramons at gmx.net  Wed Mar 11 18:33:55 2009
From: ramons at gmx.net (David Krings)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:33:55 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Apache is killing me.
In-Reply-To: <8f0676b40903110858v54896ef4nd23d1b6992bd3114@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8f0676b40903110728j30c92c22y2ad1ef62308b427f@mail.gmail.com>	<49B7CF7A.5050106@touro.edu>	<12D5742A-143B-44BE-818E-DAE56AEB947F@beaffinitive.com>
	<8f0676b40903110858v54896ef4nd23d1b6992bd3114@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49B83C53.5050104@gmx.net>

John Campbell wrote:
> Any advice on what I should do before restarting apache the next time
> it happens?

Maybe Apache failing is just a symptom? Check the hardware, mainly memory, 
hard drive, and power supply. Maybe something is on its way out or in case of 
the power supply couldn't handle a voltage dip.

Does anything else run on the sever? Database? FTP?

David


From ramons at gmx.net  Wed Mar 11 18:35:53 2009
From: ramons at gmx.net (David Krings)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:35:53 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Changing your site look - What is the norm
In-Reply-To: <721f1cc50903111246w3fa105edg32fcad1ab2abbed8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a304e2d60903090812m1cd6bffak3b915f314bf1f2a0@mail.gmail.com>	<008301c9a0e7$055d4d20$1017e760$@com>	<c5949a380903091848n8162a35q552b69a5db142553@mail.gmail.com>	<008201c9a1af$8f63a230$ae2ae690$@com>
	<721f1cc50903111246w3fa105edg32fcad1ab2abbed8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49B83CC9.4000709@gmx.net>

David Mintz wrote:
> Cragislist has got to be considered a special case. They clearly pride 
> themselves on looking as ugly and boring as possible.

Yea, but it is one of these web sites that a) work and b) render quickly. All 
these ?berpowered graphics loaden sites are plain horrible.

Just my 2 cents that don't add up to anything.

David


From ramons at gmx.net  Wed Mar 11 18:37:11 2009
From: ramons at gmx.net (David Krings)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:37:11 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Changing your site look - What is the norm
In-Reply-To: <be1d525a0903111351j7f84273dn4131bf8de7c6f753@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a304e2d60903090812m1cd6bffak3b915f314bf1f2a0@mail.gmail.com>	<008301c9a0e7$055d4d20$1017e760$@com>	<c5949a380903091848n8162a35q552b69a5db142553@mail.gmail.com>	<008201c9a1af$8f63a230$ae2ae690$@com>	<721f1cc50903111246w3fa105edg32fcad1ab2abbed8@mail.gmail.com>	<3F0953A6-15F4-4DC4-99AD-50B9354463D5@me.com>
	<be1d525a0903111351j7f84273dn4131bf8de7c6f753@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49B83D17.20200@gmx.net>

Fernando Gabrieli wrote:
> its probably a new topic, why a site is successful where others dont 
> event get 1 comment posted...why craiglist was successful?

They offer a good service for free. People love free stuff. And it is gosh 
darn easy to use. People love easy.

David



From ioplex at gmail.com  Wed Mar 11 19:03:55 2009
From: ioplex at gmail.com (Michael B Allen)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:03:55 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] generate random unique 8-digit number
In-Reply-To: <8f0676b40903111516i200d0c9es4fe8749e9a8ef619@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BLU126-W51A299B45B883C501DB1CE8A10@phx.gbl>
	<49B73258.1070105@nyc.rr.com> <49B77254.7010102@marnik.net>
	<be1d525a0903111401q5070236ev55aa4ae8304b0186@mail.gmail.com>
	<8f0676b40903111516i200d0c9es4fe8749e9a8ef619@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <78c6bd860903111603x26b4a887p640ce38a61f0f5c2@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 6:16 PM, John Campbell <jcampbell1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 5:01 PM, Fernando Gabrieli <fgabrieli at gmail.com> wrote:
>> dont forget that md5($anyString) can return two hashes with the same value
>> (if you have a db with 1,000,000 entries using this, it may happen)
>
> The odds of an MD5 collision with 1,000,000 entries is
> 0.0000000000000000000000000001%
>
> That is a risk I am willing to take.

What if the number is used in a filename to store scanned financial
documents for a large bank?

Mike

-- 
Michael B Allen
Java Active Directory Integration
http://www.ioplex.com/


From artur at marnik.net  Thu Mar 12 02:24:30 2009
From: artur at marnik.net (Artur Marnik)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 22:24:30 -0800
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Changing your site look - What is the norm
In-Reply-To: <be1d525a0903111351j7f84273dn4131bf8de7c6f753@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a304e2d60903090812m1cd6bffak3b915f314bf1f2a0@mail.gmail.com>	<008301c9a0e7$055d4d20$1017e760$@com>	<c5949a380903091848n8162a35q552b69a5db142553@mail.gmail.com>	<008201c9a1af$8f63a230$ae2ae690$@com>	<721f1cc50903111246w3fa105edg32fcad1ab2abbed8@mail.gmail.com>	<3F0953A6-15F4-4DC4-99AD-50B9354463D5@me.com>
	<be1d525a0903111351j7f84273dn4131bf8de7c6f753@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49B8AA9E.7080900@marnik.net>

Fernando Gabrieli wrote:
> its probably a new topic, why a site is successful where others dont 
> event get 1 comment posted...why craiglist was successful?
>
>

just to add to the topic
if you want your site to be successful in 2009 take a look:
http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2009/01/14/web-design-trends-for-2009/

Artur



From fgabrieli at gmail.com  Thu Mar 12 09:50:05 2009
From: fgabrieli at gmail.com (Fernando Gabrieli)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 10:50:05 -0300
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Changing your site look - What is the norm
In-Reply-To: <49B8AA9E.7080900@marnik.net>
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	<008301c9a0e7$055d4d20$1017e760$@com>
	<c5949a380903091848n8162a35q552b69a5db142553@mail.gmail.com>
	<008201c9a1af$8f63a230$ae2ae690$@com>
	<721f1cc50903111246w3fa105edg32fcad1ab2abbed8@mail.gmail.com>
	<3F0953A6-15F4-4DC4-99AD-50B9354463D5@me.com>
	<be1d525a0903111351j7f84273dn4131bf8de7c6f753@mail.gmail.com>
	<49B8AA9E.7080900@marnik.net>
Message-ID: <be1d525a0903120650w4f6b0b4fwf1c17ce6ee78e319@mail.gmail.com>

- free
- easy to use
- helpful for people

i agree with all of these

i agree also that spam is not a good tool anymore and could cause a very
very fast ban in google servers

but we are missing something yet, where do the 1,000,000 impressions (if
they have that amount, which i guess they have or had) come from?

1. do they come from a growing site in time ? if that is the case i think
the only answer to this is: craiglist was finished in the -correct- time and
space. I dont believe they were able to predict this

2. if not, how did they get so many visitors ?



best
fernando

On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 3:24 AM, Artur Marnik <artur at marnik.net> wrote:

> Fernando Gabrieli wrote:
>
>> its probably a new topic, why a site is successful where others dont event
>> get 1 comment posted...why craiglist was successful?
>>
>>
>>
> just to add to the topic
> if you want your site to be successful in 2009 take a look:
> http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2009/01/14/web-design-trends-for-2009/
>
> Artur
>
>
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From ajai at bitblit.net  Thu Mar 12 21:44:08 2009
From: ajai at bitblit.net (Ajai Khattri)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 21:44:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Transforming XML with XSL (XsltProcessor problems)
In-Reply-To: <49B805AE.4000608@projectskyline.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0903122141050.25615-100000@bitblit.net>

On Wed, 11 Mar 2009, Ben Sgro wrote:

> Too bad it doesn't throw an error or exception if an argument is incorrect.

I have to say, the error reporting for the XML and XSLT functions are 
terrible. There's a long standing ticket open on a project Im working on 
from our content folks to provide better reporting of XML. Its probably 
not going to be closed for a long time.




-- 
Aj.



From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Thu Mar 12 23:20:10 2009
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 23:20:10 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Transforming XML with XSL (XsltProcessor problems)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0903122141050.25615-100000@bitblit.net>
References: <49B805AE.4000608@projectskyline.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0903122141050.25615-100000@bitblit.net>
Message-ID: <20090313032009.GA5655@panix.com>

Hey Folks:

On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 09:44:08PM -0400, Ajai Khattri wrote:
> 
> I have to say, the error reporting for the XML and XSLT functions are 
> terrible.

Here's how I load XML.  Requres track_errors to be on.  Sorry about the 
line wrapping.


$xml_string = '';
$schema_file = '';

if (($dom = @DOMDocument::loadXML($xml_string)) == false) {
    $error = 'Malformed XML: ' . $php_errormsg;
} elseif ((@$dom->schemaValidate($schema_file)) == false) {
    $error = 'XML violates schema ' . $schema_file . ': '
            . format_schemavalidate_error($php_errormsg);
} else {
    if (($sxml = @simplexml_import_dom($dom)) === false) {
        $error = 'Malformed XML (SimpleXML): ' . $php_errormsg;
    }
}

if (!empty($error)) {
    // process...
}



/**
 * Boils down XML schema validation error messages into something
 * humans can easily comprehend
 *
 * @param string $error  the $php_errormsg produced by DOM
 *                       schemaValidate()
 *
 * @return string
 */
function format_schemavalidate_error($error) {
    $error = preg_replace('/\s+/', ' ', $error);

    if (preg_match("/The element: '([^']+)'/", $error, $match)) {
        $error = $match[1] . ' has invalid value . ';
    } elseif (preg_match("/Element '([^']+)', attribute '([^']+)'/", 
$error, $match)) {
        $error = $match[2] . ' attribute of ' . $match[1] . ' has invalid 
value . ';
    } elseif (preg_match("/Element '([^']+)': The attribute '([^']+)' is 
required/", $error, $match)) {
        $error = $match[2] . ' attribute of ' . $match[1] . ' is missing 
. ';
    } elseif (preg_match("/is not a valid value of the atomic type 
'({.*})?([^']+)'/", $error, $match)) {
        $error = $match[2] . ' has invalid value . ';
    } elseif (preg_match('/Expecting: ([^.]+)/', $error, $match)) {
        $error = $match[1] . ' is missing . ';
    } elseif (preg_match('/(Expected is|Expected is one of) \( 
({.*})?([^.]+) \)/', $error, $match)) {
        $error = $match[3] . ' is missing . ';
    }

    return $error;
}


Enjoy,

--Dan

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From david at davidmintz.org  Fri Mar 13 11:24:14 2009
From: david at davidmintz.org (David Mintz)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:24:14 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Zend Server CE...?
Message-ID: <721f1cc50903130824q45cbf3e0j3965be1f44e45c07@mail.gmail.com>

Anybody have any thoughts or experience with "Zend Server Community Edition:
Production-ready, Integrated PHP Stack for Non-critical Applications?"

http://www.zend.com/en/community/zend-server-ce

I have to wonder what a non-critical application is, and why this is for
that.


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From brianw1975 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 13 11:31:20 2009
From: brianw1975 at gmail.com (Brian Williams)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:31:20 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Zend Server CE...?
In-Reply-To: <721f1cc50903130824q45cbf3e0j3965be1f44e45c07@mail.gmail.com>
References: <721f1cc50903130824q45cbf3e0j3965be1f44e45c07@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ae0c70e80903130831s1ddbef59h302187449e280484@mail.gmail.com>

To use an over-generalization:

$non_critical = new Beta(); //Don't use this for e-commerce functionality
that your company relies on to make money



On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 10:24 AM, David Mintz <david at davidmintz.org> wrote:

> Anybody have any thoughts or experience with "Zend Server Community
> Edition: Production-ready, Integrated PHP Stack for Non-critical
> Applications?"
>
> http://www.zend.com/en/community/zend-server-ce
>
> I have to wonder what a non-critical application is, and why this is for
> that.
>
>
> --
> David Mintz
> http://davidmintz.org/
>
> The subtle source is clear and bright
> The tributary streams flow through the darkness
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Fri Mar 13 11:47:41 2009
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:47:41 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] generate random unique 8-digit number
In-Reply-To: <49B6F68C.7070208@tgaconnect.com>
References: <BLU126-W51A299B45B883C501DB1CE8A10@phx.gbl>
	<c5949a380903100815x1c19d1abk2dab0d6891071452@mail.gmail.com>
	<b76252690903100826s3fff0491q404ee181718406b7@mail.gmail.com>
	<49B68D2E.40803@phpwerx.net>
	<b76252690903101057k1934dd2apb093159e84ef6eb7@mail.gmail.com>
	<49B6F68C.7070208@tgaconnect.com>
Message-ID: <20090313154740.GA27968@panix.com>

On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 07:23:56PM -0400, Tim Gales wrote:
> md5(uniqid(rand(), true))

Though MD5 collisions are possible, so I wouldn't count on that always 
resulting in a unique id.

--Dan

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From ben at projectskyline.com  Fri Mar 13 14:29:55 2009
From: ben at projectskyline.com (Ben Sgro)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:29:55 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Transforming XML with XSL (XsltProcessor problems)
In-Reply-To: <20090313032009.GA5655@panix.com>
References: <49B805AE.4000608@projectskyline.com>	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0903122141050.25615-100000@bitblit.net>
	<20090313032009.GA5655@panix.com>
Message-ID: <49BAA623.4040009@projectskyline.com>

Hey,

Thanks for the feedback and the sample code.
I'm going to look over this in more detail today.

Thanks again everyone!

- Ben

Daniel Convissor wrote:
> Hey Folks:
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 09:44:08PM -0400, Ajai Khattri wrote:
>   
>> I have to say, the error reporting for the XML and XSLT functions are 
>> terrible.
>>     
>
> Here's how I load XML.  Requres track_errors to be on.  Sorry about the 
> line wrapping.
>
>
> $xml_string = '';
> $schema_file = '';
>
> if (($dom = @DOMDocument::loadXML($xml_string)) == false) {
>     $error = 'Malformed XML: ' . $php_errormsg;
> } elseif ((@$dom->schemaValidate($schema_file)) == false) {
>     $error = 'XML violates schema ' . $schema_file . ': '
>             . format_schemavalidate_error($php_errormsg);
> } else {
>     if (($sxml = @simplexml_import_dom($dom)) === false) {
>         $error = 'Malformed XML (SimpleXML): ' . $php_errormsg;
>     }
> }
>
> if (!empty($error)) {
>     // process...
> }
>
>
>
> /**
>  * Boils down XML schema validation error messages into something
>  * humans can easily comprehend
>  *
>  * @param string $error  the $php_errormsg produced by DOM
>  *                       schemaValidate()
>  *
>  * @return string
>  */
> function format_schemavalidate_error($error) {
>     $error = preg_replace('/\s+/', ' ', $error);
>
>     if (preg_match("/The element: '([^']+)'/", $error, $match)) {
>         $error = $match[1] . ' has invalid value . ';
>     } elseif (preg_match("/Element '([^']+)', attribute '([^']+)'/", 
> $error, $match)) {
>         $error = $match[2] . ' attribute of ' . $match[1] . ' has invalid 
> value . ';
>     } elseif (preg_match("/Element '([^']+)': The attribute '([^']+)' is 
> required/", $error, $match)) {
>         $error = $match[2] . ' attribute of ' . $match[1] . ' is missing 
> . ';
>     } elseif (preg_match("/is not a valid value of the atomic type 
> '({.*})?([^']+)'/", $error, $match)) {
>         $error = $match[2] . ' has invalid value . ';
>     } elseif (preg_match('/Expecting: ([^.]+)/', $error, $match)) {
>         $error = $match[1] . ' is missing . ';
>     } elseif (preg_match('/(Expected is|Expected is one of) \( 
> ({.*})?([^.]+) \)/', $error, $match)) {
>         $error = $match[3] . ' is missing . ';
>     }
>
>     return $error;
> }
>
>
> Enjoy,
>
> --Dan
>
>   


From chsnyder at gmail.com  Fri Mar 13 15:17:00 2009
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:17:00 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Zend Server CE...?
In-Reply-To: <721f1cc50903130824q45cbf3e0j3965be1f44e45c07@mail.gmail.com>
References: <721f1cc50903130824q45cbf3e0j3965be1f44e45c07@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b76252690903131217q72ddd7c3va1ca2cb205ac626f@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 11:24 AM, David Mintz <david at davidmintz.org> wrote:
> Anybody have any thoughts or experience with "Zend Server Community Edition:
> Production-ready, Integrated PHP Stack for Non-critical Applications?"


Not open source, despite being free and bundling open source
technologies. Phhbbbt.


From paul at devonianfarm.com  Fri Mar 13 15:38:27 2009
From: paul at devonianfarm.com (Paul A Houle)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:38:27 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Zend Server CE...?
In-Reply-To: <b76252690903131217q72ddd7c3va1ca2cb205ac626f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <721f1cc50903130824q45cbf3e0j3965be1f44e45c07@mail.gmail.com>
	<b76252690903131217q72ddd7c3va1ca2cb205ac626f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49BAB633.8000709@devonianfarm.com>

Chris Snyder wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 11:24 AM, David Mintz <david at davidmintz.org> wrote:
>   
>> Anybody have any thoughts or experience with "Zend Server Community Edition:
>> Production-ready, Integrated PHP Stack for Non-critical Applications?"
>>     
    It would be pretty tough to make a PHP environment that's more 
reliable and maintainable than good 'old mod_php running on Apache.



From jcampbell1 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 16 11:36:27 2009
From: jcampbell1 at gmail.com (John Campbell)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:36:27 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Apache is killing me.
In-Reply-To: <49B83C53.5050104@gmx.net>
References: <8f0676b40903110728j30c92c22y2ad1ef62308b427f@mail.gmail.com>
	<49B7CF7A.5050106@touro.edu>
	<12D5742A-143B-44BE-818E-DAE56AEB947F@beaffinitive.com>
	<8f0676b40903110858v54896ef4nd23d1b6992bd3114@mail.gmail.com>
	<49B83C53.5050104@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <8f0676b40903160836q42d839ch447ce1ca47dc6a43@mail.gmail.com>

I would like to thank everyone for their help and advice.  I don't
think it is impossible to figure out what the underlying issue is, but
I made a bunch of changes based on the recommendations here.

1) I switched the hardware (pretty easy, since it's just a Xen instance)
2) I upgraded Apache and PHP
3) I changed max requests per child to a sensible number rather than
unlimited.  I think log rotate would achieve a similar effect by
restarting the webserver every day and I'll eventually go that route.
4) I set up monitoring scripts that will dump the output of `ps` and
`apache2ctl fullstatus` to a log in the event the apache craps out
again, and I'll be sure to get a gdb dump if it happens again.
5) For other reasons, I reduced the Keep-Alive time and moved most of
the static content to Amazon's CDN.

Thanks for the help.

Regards,
John Campbell


From chsnyder at gmail.com  Mon Mar 16 11:39:36 2009
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:39:36 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Apache is killing me.
In-Reply-To: <8f0676b40903160836q42d839ch447ce1ca47dc6a43@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8f0676b40903110728j30c92c22y2ad1ef62308b427f@mail.gmail.com>
	<49B7CF7A.5050106@touro.edu>
	<12D5742A-143B-44BE-818E-DAE56AEB947F@beaffinitive.com>
	<8f0676b40903110858v54896ef4nd23d1b6992bd3114@mail.gmail.com>
	<49B83C53.5050104@gmx.net>
	<8f0676b40903160836q42d839ch447ce1ca47dc6a43@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b76252690903160839u3b8bd8ddj43728e4a7267ad37@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 11:36 AM, John Campbell <jcampbell1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I would like to thank everyone for their help and advice. ?I don't
> think it is impossible to figure out what the underlying issue is, but
> I made a bunch of changes based on the recommendations here.
>
> 1) I switched the hardware (pretty easy, since it's just a Xen instance)
> 2) I upgraded Apache and PHP
> 3) I changed max requests per child to a sensible number rather than
> unlimited. ?I think log rotate would achieve a similar effect by
> restarting the webserver every day and I'll eventually go that route.
> 4) I set up monitoring scripts that will dump the output of `ps` and
> `apache2ctl fullstatus` to a log in the event the apache craps out
> again, and I'll be sure to get a gdb dump if it happens again.
> 5) For other reasons, I reduced the Keep-Alive time and moved most of
> the static content to Amazon's CDN.
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> Regards,
> John Campbell

Wow, good thing it crashed. It sounds like you have a much more robust rig now!


From sukritd at sevenacross.com  Mon Mar 16 12:46:35 2009
From: sukritd at sevenacross.com (Sukrit D)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 22:16:35 +0530
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Apache is killing me.
In-Reply-To: <8f0676b40903160836q42d839ch447ce1ca47dc6a43@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8f0676b40903110728j30c92c22y2ad1ef62308b427f@mail.gmail.com>
	<49B7CF7A.5050106@touro.edu>
	<12D5742A-143B-44BE-818E-DAE56AEB947F@beaffinitive.com>
	<8f0676b40903110858v54896ef4nd23d1b6992bd3114@mail.gmail.com>
	<49B83C53.5050104@gmx.net>
	<8f0676b40903160836q42d839ch447ce1ca47dc6a43@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5A2C348D-EE4B-47D8-A47D-D44EE8C3963F@sevenacross.com>

In such a case you should give rightscale+ec2 a serious consideration.  
It scales beautifully and is pretty easy to get going with and  
maintain, plus monitoring is more-or-less built-in.

Sukrit

On 16-Mar-09, at 9:06 PM, John Campbell wrote:

> I would like to thank everyone for their help and advice.  I don't
> think it is impossible to figure out what the underlying issue is, but
> I made a bunch of changes based on the recommendations here.
>
> 1) I switched the hardware (pretty easy, since it's just a Xen  
> instance)
> 2) I upgraded Apache and PHP
> 3) I changed max requests per child to a sensible number rather than
> unlimited.  I think log rotate would achieve a similar effect by
> restarting the webserver every day and I'll eventually go that route.
> 4) I set up monitoring scripts that will dump the output of `ps` and
> `apache2ctl fullstatus` to a log in the event the apache craps out
> again, and I'll be sure to get a gdb dump if it happens again.
> 5) For other reasons, I reduced the Keep-Alive time and moved most of
> the static content to Amazon's CDN.
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> Regards,
> John Campbell
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php



From vtbludgeon at gmail.com  Mon Mar 16 14:57:22 2009
From: vtbludgeon at gmail.com (David Mintz)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:57:22 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Zend Server CE...?
In-Reply-To: <49BAB633.8000709@devonianfarm.com>
References: <721f1cc50903130824q45cbf3e0j3965be1f44e45c07@mail.gmail.com>
	<b76252690903131217q72ddd7c3va1ca2cb205ac626f@mail.gmail.com>
	<49BAB633.8000709@devonianfarm.com>
Message-ID: <721f1cc50903161157y3e88522bw1f1d954722327c98@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Paul A Houle <paul at devonianfarm.com> wrote:

>
>  On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 11:24 AM, David Mintz <david at davidmintz.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Anybody have any thoughts or experience with "Zend Server Community
>>> Edition:
>>> Production-ready, Integrated PHP Stack for Non-critical Applications?"
>>>
>>>
>>   It would be pretty tough to make a PHP environment that's more reliable
> and maintainable than good 'old mod_php running on Apache.



I guess that's what kinda has me scratching my head. Bundle together the
latest greatest production-quality releases of all these venerable OS
products and then say "here, take your chances."

I notice the Windows edition is bundled with MySQL but the Linux flavor is
not. Some legal nuance happening there no doubt.

I downloaded and installed out of curiosity. It sports a sexy "dashboard."


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From dan.horning at planetnoc.com  Tue Mar 17 00:59:10 2009
From: dan.horning at planetnoc.com (Daniel Horning)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 00:59:10 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Zend Server CE...?
In-Reply-To: <721f1cc50903161157y3e88522bw1f1d954722327c98@mail.gmail.com>
References: <721f1cc50903130824q45cbf3e0j3965be1f44e45c07@mail.gmail.com>	<b76252690903131217q72ddd7c3va1ca2cb205ac626f@mail.gmail.com>	<49BAB633.8000709@devonianfarm.com>
	<721f1cc50903161157y3e88522bw1f1d954722327c98@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001f01c9a6bd$1c7fb110$557f1330$@horning@planetnoc.com>

But the real question is - for dev work - what are the advantages over using
xampp (since you can run most every debugger in xampp as well)?

 

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From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On
Behalf Of David Mintz
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 2:57 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Zend Server CE...?

 

On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Paul A Houle <paul at devonianfarm.com> wrote:

 

On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 11:24 AM, David Mintz <david at davidmintz.org> wrote:
 

Anybody have any thoughts or experience with "Zend Server Community Edition:
Production-ready, Integrated PHP Stack for Non-critical Applications?"
   

  It would be pretty tough to make a PHP environment that's more reliable
and maintainable than good 'old mod_php running on Apache.



I guess that's what kinda has me scratching my head. Bundle together the
latest greatest production-quality releases of all these venerable OS
products and then say "here, take your chances."  

I notice the Windows edition is bundled with MySQL but the Linux flavor is
not. Some legal nuance happening there no doubt.

I downloaded and installed out of curiosity. It sports a sexy "dashboard." 


-- 
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From lists at zaunere.com  Tue Mar 17 11:59:27 2009
From: lists at zaunere.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 11:59:27 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Security Scripts
Message-ID: <003001c9a719$5997c770$0cc75650$@com>

Hello,

I've come across these script suite:

http://www.irongeek.com/i.php?page=security/mutillidae-deliberately-vulnerab
le-php-owasp-top-10

And wanted to pass it on as it might be useful for some.  Has anyone looked
at these before?

H





From chsnyder at gmail.com  Tue Mar 17 13:11:55 2009
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:11:55 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Security Scripts
In-Reply-To: <003001c9a719$5997c770$0cc75650$@com>
References: <003001c9a719$5997c770$0cc75650$@com>
Message-ID: <b76252690903171011y1ab358efsb40dc6e2d8b3f7b5@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Hans Zaunere <lists at zaunere.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I've come across these script suite:
>
> http://www.irongeek.com/i.php?page=security/mutillidae-deliberately-vulnerab
> le-php-owasp-top-10
>
> And wanted to pass it on as it might be useful for some. ?Has anyone looked
> at these before?
>

Hey, that looks pretty neat. It's definitely a great idea, producing a
series of "teachable moments" in code.


Chris Snyder
http://chxor.chxo.com/


From lists at zaunere.com  Wed Mar 18 15:35:22 2009
From: lists at zaunere.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:35:22 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL and PHP - State of the Union
Message-ID: <01a501c9a800$b3f9f8e0$1bedeaa0$@com>

Hello,

This morning I spoke at CommunityOne East on MySQL and PHP.  The
presentation as well as an interview and some other stuff is in our
archives:

http://www.nyphp.org/content/presentations/

They should have a web cast ready at some point to I think.

---
Hans Zaunere / Managing Member / New York PHP
      www.nyphp.org  /  www.nyphp.com







From mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com  Thu Mar 19 08:59:04 2009
From: mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com (Michele Waldman)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 08:59:04 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Cookie
Message-ID: <20090319125903.WEQK26578.hrndva-omta05.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>

I tried to set cookie from a subdirectory for the whole domain, but it
didn't work.

 

>From http://domain/accout/login.php, if did setcookie('logged_in", "1",
$path="/");, like the documentation said too.

 

But it still set it for the entire domain.  I also tried:
setcookie('logged_in", "1", $path=".."); setcookie('logged_in", "1",
$path="/.."); and  setcookie('logged_in", "1", $path="/../")

 

Does anyone know what I'm doing wrong here?

 

Michele

 

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From scott at crisscott.com  Thu Mar 19 09:05:37 2009
From: scott at crisscott.com (Scott Mattocks)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:05:37 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Cookie
In-Reply-To: <20090319125903.WEQK26578.hrndva-omta05.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>
References: <20090319125903.WEQK26578.hrndva-omta05.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>
Message-ID: <49C24321.10902@crisscott.com>

Michele Waldman wrote:
>>From http://domain/accout/login.php, if did setcookie('logged_in", "1",
> $path="/");, like the documentation said too.
> 
> Does anyone know what I'm doing wrong here?

You mean other than relying on that cookie to tell you if the user is 
logged in? Yeah, you are missing the expire parameter and assigning a 
variable where you should just be setting the value (I know it will 
work, but it isn't a good idea).

Try: setcookie('logged_in', 1, 0, '/');

-- 
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Author: Pro PHP-GTK
http://www.crisscott.com


From mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com  Thu Mar 19 09:11:16 2009
From: mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com (Michele Waldman)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:11:16 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Cookie
In-Reply-To: <49C24321.10902@crisscott.com>
Message-ID: <20090319131115.UHYA18800.hrndva-omta06.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>

I was defined in the subdirectory, but not the root directory.

So, I don't think it was an expiration problem.

Michele
-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Mattocks
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:06 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Cookie

Michele Waldman wrote:
>>From http://domain/accout/login.php, if did setcookie('logged_in", "1",
> $path="/");, like the documentation said too.
> 
> Does anyone know what I'm doing wrong here?

You mean other than relying on that cookie to tell you if the user is 
logged in? Yeah, you are missing the expire parameter and assigning a 
variable where you should just be setting the value (I know it will 
work, but it isn't a good idea).

Try: setcookie('logged_in', 1, 0, '/');

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From scott at crisscott.com  Thu Mar 19 09:18:23 2009
From: scott at crisscott.com (Scott Mattocks)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:18:23 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Cookie
In-Reply-To: <20090319131115.UHYA18800.hrndva-omta06.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>
References: <20090319131115.UHYA18800.hrndva-omta06.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>
Message-ID: <49C2461F.8090501@crisscott.com>

Michele Waldman wrote:
> I was defined in the subdirectory, but not the root directory.
> 
> So, I don't think it was an expiration problem.

It isn't that the cookie is expired already. It is that you are setting 
the path as the expiration. You can't just leave it out and hope that 
the function figures out you really meant / to be the path. You have to 
put something where the expiration value goes.

-- 
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Author: Pro PHP-GTK
http://www.crisscott.com


From nynj.tech at hotmail.com  Thu Mar 19 09:47:08 2009
From: nynj.tech at hotmail.com (chad qian)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:47:08 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] look for CTO / Sr PHP Developer
Message-ID: <BLU126-W42EA7AABBADB298184F66FE8960@phx.gbl>


Hi,

Please feel free to contact my friend directly if you have interest.

 

Thanks!

 

chad

 

 

 

Hands on CTO / Sr PHP Developer for Award Winning Real Estate Platform 
 
CEO of a small, established real estate services company seeks high stamina PHP guru who wants to take ownership of the development process of a next generation real estate services platform in a sane but urgent manner. (OK ? so our platform isn?t built yet and hasn?t won awards, but we have been recognized as thought leaders in our field, and with your development talents, we expect to build an award winning platform.)  You will be working with one other developer.  
 
REQUIREMENTS:
- Minimum three years in database design.
- Highly proficient in LAMP development (Linux, Apache, MySQL5, PHP5).
- Knowledge in OOP, Ajax/JavaScript and JavaScript framework experience (i.e. jQuery).
- Knowledge of XML and XSLT is a plus
- Knowledge of Cold Fusion (our legacy system which we will export our information) is a plus
- Real estate experience and/or social networking is a plus
- Excellent written and spoken communication skills.
 
We are looking for a candidate who wants to throw himself/herself into this works, has a desire to build something that makes an impact, is comfortable putting in long hours. You should be quick to grasp business model concepts, be resourceful, take initiative and have a get the job done attitude.
 
This is a full time inhouse position. Please describe your previous experience very specifically, and provide links to former work and code samples.
 
Compensation is salary plus bonus.


Cheers,


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From vtbludgeon at gmail.com  Thu Mar 19 09:48:19 2009
From: vtbludgeon at gmail.com (David Mintz)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:48:19 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Cookie
In-Reply-To: <49C2461F.8090501@crisscott.com>
References: <20090319131115.UHYA18800.hrndva-omta06.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>
	<49C2461F.8090501@crisscott.com>
Message-ID: <721f1cc50903190648m2d8f51c9k999ddf4d37e9e95a@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Scott Mattocks <scott at crisscott.com> wrote:

> Michele Waldman wrote:
>
>> I was defined in the subdirectory, but not the root directory.
>>
>> So, I don't think it was an expiration problem.
>>
>
> It isn't that the cookie is expired already. It is that you are setting the
> path as the expiration. You can't just leave it out and hope that the
> function figures out you really meant / to be the path. You have to put
> something where the expiration value goes.



Moreover, are you sure you want to rely on cookies for testing whether a
user is authenticated?

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From mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com  Thu Mar 19 09:53:53 2009
From: mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com (Michele Waldman)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:53:53 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Cookie
In-Reply-To: <49C2461F.8090501@crisscott.com>
Message-ID: <20090319135352.VPXP18800.hrndva-omta06.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>

Ok.  Thanks.

I thought if I specified $path = it would resolve.

Michele

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Mattocks
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:18 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Cookie

Michele Waldman wrote:
> I was defined in the subdirectory, but not the root directory.
> 
> So, I don't think it was an expiration problem.

It isn't that the cookie is expired already. It is that you are setting 
the path as the expiration. You can't just leave it out and hope that 
the function figures out you really meant / to be the path. You have to 
put something where the expiration value goes.

-- 
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Author: Pro PHP-GTK
http://www.crisscott.com
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From mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com  Thu Mar 19 10:19:04 2009
From: mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com (Michele Waldman)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:19:04 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Cookie
In-Reply-To: <721f1cc50903190648m2d8f51c9k999ddf4d37e9e95a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090319141903.SKZK15479.hrndva-omta01.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>

Don't worry, I don't use the cookie for login authentication.

 

My client wanted a link "back to account" on the public pages when the user
is logged in.

 

Since $REMOTE_USER wasn't available in the public realm, I was only going to
use the cookie for that link.

 

I wound up using a session variable instead, but was wondering what I had
done wrong.

 

Michele

 

  _____  

From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On
Behalf Of David Mintz
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:48 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Cookie

 

 

On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Scott Mattocks <scott at crisscott.com> wrote:

Michele Waldman wrote:

I was defined in the subdirectory, but not the root directory.

So, I don't think it was an expiration problem.

 

It isn't that the cookie is expired already. It is that you are setting the
path as the expiration. You can't just leave it out and hope that the
function figures out you really meant / to be the path. You have to put
something where the expiration value goes.



Moreover, are you sure you want to rely on cookies for testing whether a
user is authenticated?

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From paul at devonianfarm.com  Thu Mar 19 10:29:43 2009
From: paul at devonianfarm.com (Paul A Houle)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:29:43 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Cookie
In-Reply-To: <721f1cc50903190648m2d8f51c9k999ddf4d37e9e95a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090319131115.UHYA18800.hrndva-omta06.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>	<49C2461F.8090501@crisscott.com>
	<721f1cc50903190648m2d8f51c9k999ddf4d37e9e95a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49C256D7.9030806@devonianfarm.com>

David Mintz wrote:
>
> Moreover, are you sure you want to rely on cookies for testing whether 
> a user is authenticated?
    Uh,  don't Google,  Facebook,  Yahoo,  and most of the other 
top-1000 sites use cookies to tell if users are authenticated?  When's 
the last time you logged onto a public-facing site using http basic?

    The trouble with what Michelle is doing is that her cookies are 
easily forged.  If,  for instance,  the cookie says

isLoggedInAs: michelle

    somebody can try logging in as somebody else by just changing the 
text of the cookie.  You'd do a little better if you did

usernameAndPassword: michelle:somepasswordIpicked

    in that case,  you'd need to know somebody's password to forge a 
token.  Both of these schemes have the problem that somebody with a 
packet sniffer or token sniffer could steal tokens.  You can make a 
system ~resistant~ to that using the methods in the following paper:

http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/papers/webauth:sec10.pdf

    (it seems to be the greatest CS paper that nobody has ever read)

Note that I say ~resistant~ because somebody can steal a token,  
however,  a timeout value built into the cookie means that an attacker 
has to act fast.  The cookie also contains a session id which can be 
invalidated,  which also limits the range of the attack.

Packet sniffing attacks on web authentication systems don't seem to be 
that common in the wild.  If you're worried about them,  the right 
answer is to use SSL.  It can be a pain to get an SSL certificate and 
install it,  but you'd spend more on engineering time to build a system 
that looks secure (but probably isn't,)  even if you were hiring 
Oompa-Loompas to do your design and coding.



From mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com  Thu Mar 19 14:12:45 2009
From: mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com (Michele Waldman)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:12:45 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Cookie
In-Reply-To: <49C256D7.9030806@devonianfarm.com>
Message-ID: <20090319181244.DQZO18800.hrndva-omta06.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>

I don't use cookies to authenticate.  I'm using ht_access
mod_auth_digest/msyql.

I made like a million posts about this.

I just use the cookies to determine if I display a link.  If they haven't
already authenticated and forge the cookies to display the link, they'll get
"access denied".

But thanks anyway.

Michele
-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On
Behalf Of Paul A Houle
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 10:30 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Cookie

David Mintz wrote:
>
> Moreover, are you sure you want to rely on cookies for testing whether 
> a user is authenticated?
    Uh,  don't Google,  Facebook,  Yahoo,  and most of the other 
top-1000 sites use cookies to tell if users are authenticated?  When's 
the last time you logged onto a public-facing site using http basic?

    The trouble with what Michelle is doing is that her cookies are 
easily forged.  If,  for instance,  the cookie says

isLoggedInAs: michelle

    somebody can try logging in as somebody else by just changing the 
text of the cookie.  You'd do a little better if you did

usernameAndPassword: michelle:somepasswordIpicked

    in that case,  you'd need to know somebody's password to forge a 
token.  Both of these schemes have the problem that somebody with a 
packet sniffer or token sniffer could steal tokens.  You can make a 
system ~resistant~ to that using the methods in the following paper:

http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/papers/webauth:sec10.pdf

    (it seems to be the greatest CS paper that nobody has ever read)

Note that I say ~resistant~ because somebody can steal a token,  
however,  a timeout value built into the cookie means that an attacker 
has to act fast.  The cookie also contains a session id which can be 
invalidated,  which also limits the range of the attack.

Packet sniffing attacks on web authentication systems don't seem to be 
that common in the wild.  If you're worried about them,  the right 
answer is to use SSL.  It can be a pain to get an SSL certificate and 
install it,  but you'd spend more on engineering time to build a system 
that looks secure (but probably isn't,)  even if you were hiring 
Oompa-Loompas to do your design and coding.

_______________________________________________
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http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk

http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php



From nynj.tech at hotmail.com  Mon Mar 23 10:42:41 2009
From: nynj.tech at hotmail.com (chad qian)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 10:42:41 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Help with generation of unique transaction ID
Message-ID: <BLU126-W37E97E261ECA7D8FCE55DE8920@phx.gbl>



Hi,

I am programming shopping cart in php/mysql.

I need to generate unique 8-digit transaction ID like 12356780.How to get it for each transaction?Absolutely no duplication.

 

Any idea?No clue here.

 

Thanks!

 

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From dcech at phpwerx.net  Mon Mar 23 10:53:07 2009
From: dcech at phpwerx.net (Dan Cech)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 10:53:07 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Help with generation of unique transaction ID
In-Reply-To: <BLU126-W37E97E261ECA7D8FCE55DE8920@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU126-W37E97E261ECA7D8FCE55DE8920@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <49C7A253.5080706@phpwerx.net>

Chad,

Do you even read the replies to your threads?  This was covered in
exhaustive detail 2 weeks ago.

Dan

chad qian wrote:
> I need to generate unique 8-digit transaction ID like 12356780.How to get it for each transaction?Absolutely no duplication.


From nynj.tech at hotmail.com  Mon Mar 23 11:05:54 2009
From: nynj.tech at hotmail.com (chad qian)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 11:05:54 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Help with generation of unique transaction ID
In-Reply-To: <49C7A253.5080706@phpwerx.net>
References: <BLU126-W37E97E261ECA7D8FCE55DE8920@phx.gbl>
	<49C7A253.5080706@phpwerx.net>
Message-ID: <BLU126-W25D043A65BE5F31A7A4C7DE8920@phx.gbl>


Sorry,I find them after I post here.

 

Apologize for any bother

 

chad
 
> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 10:53:07 -0400
> From: dcech at phpwerx.net
> To: talk at lists.nyphp.org
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Help with generation of unique transaction ID
> 
> Chad,
> 
> Do you even read the replies to your threads? This was covered in
> exhaustive detail 2 weeks ago.
> 
> Dan
> 
> chad qian wrote:
> > I need to generate unique 8-digit transaction ID like 12356780.How to get it for each transaction?Absolutely no duplication.
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From mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com  Mon Mar 23 20:53:56 2009
From: mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com (Michele Waldman)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 20:53:56 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Remote php call
Message-ID: <20090324005356.TTQZ17632.hrndva-omta03.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>

Sorry for this posting.  I may seem lazy but everyone wants me to do
everything right now and my daughter had 104 fever today.

 

I'm pressed for time and I've got a baby to tend to right now.

 

If I want to call a remote php script from a php file in a different domain?
Curl it?

 

Michele

 

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From tomsartain at gmail.com  Mon Mar 23 21:17:31 2009
From: tomsartain at gmail.com (Tom Sartain)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 21:17:31 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Remote php call
In-Reply-To: <20090324005356.TTQZ17632.hrndva-omta03.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>
References: <20090324005356.TTQZ17632.hrndva-omta03.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>
Message-ID: <20190d950903231817g29be54e9te077d565716a55de@mail.gmail.com>

If you mean execute the script as if you'd opened it up in the
browser, then yes, cURL is your friend. (
http://us.php.net/manual/en/curl.examples-basic.php if you want a
starting point)

If you're looking to actually include the PHP code from
other-domain.com and execute it on your-domain.com, the code would
have to be served up as plain text (so going to
other-domain.com/script.php in your browser would return regular old
PHP code), then you can just include it. But there are probably more
reasons to not do this than there are members on this list.

-Tom

On 3/23/09, Michele Waldman <mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com> wrote:
> Sorry for this posting.  I may seem lazy but everyone wants me to do
> everything right now and my daughter had 104 fever today.
>
>
>
> I'm pressed for time and I've got a baby to tend to right now.
>
>
>
> If I want to call a remote php script from a php file in a different domain?
> Curl it?
>
>
>
> Michele
>
>
>
>


From rmarscher at beaffinitive.com  Mon Mar 23 21:22:57 2009
From: rmarscher at beaffinitive.com (Rob Marscher)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 21:22:57 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Remote php call
In-Reply-To: <20090324005356.TTQZ17632.hrndva-omta03.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>
References: <20090324005356.TTQZ17632.hrndva-omta03.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>
Message-ID: <BAAD6F74-FB89-452D-A3FE-62CA20ADEFB7@beaffinitive.com>

Curl sounds good assuming the other script is accessible over http.  
That's the most common way I've seen it done. If you don't have the  
curl php extension available, you can still invoke it on the command  
line via the backtick operator or shell_exec.

Hope it's painless and the family feels better  Sorry for the top  
posting, team... I'm on a phone.

On Mar 23, 2009, at 8:53 PM, "Michele Waldman" <mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com>  
wrote:
> If I want to call a remote php script from a php file in a different  
> domain?  Curl it?
>
>
>
> Michele
>
>
>
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From artur at marnik.net  Tue Mar 24 11:48:04 2009
From: artur at marnik.net (Artur Marnik)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 11:48:04 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Remote php call
In-Reply-To: <BAAD6F74-FB89-452D-A3FE-62CA20ADEFB7@beaffinitive.com>
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If you don't need to POST anything you can as well do fopen() 
http://us3.php.net/manual/en/function.fopen.php

but with safe_mode or allow_url_fopen disabled on the server it won't work

Artur


> 
> On Mar 23, 2009, at 8:53 PM, "Michele Waldman" <mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com 
> <mailto:mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com>> wrote: 
>>
>> If I want to call a remote php script from a php file in a different 
>> domain?  Curl it?
>>
>>  
>>
>> Michele
>>
>>  
>>
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From brenttech at gmail.com  Tue Mar 24 12:47:13 2009
From: brenttech at gmail.com (Brent Baisley)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 12:47:13 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Remote php call
In-Reply-To: <20090324005356.TTQZ17632.hrndva-omta03.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>
References: <20090324005356.TTQZ17632.hrndva-omta03.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>
Message-ID: <5d515c620903240947l38681411md2ac22f251540808@mail.gmail.com>

Curl is the better way to go, but if you just need to hit a page on
another server you can use
file_get_contents("http://domain.com/script.php?param=a");

file_get_contents doesn't handle errors, failures, redirects,
timeouts, etc. very well, which is why curl is better. But in a pinch,
file_get_contents works.

Brent

2009/3/23 Michele Waldman <mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com>:
> Sorry for this posting.? I may seem lazy but everyone wants me to do
> everything right now and my daughter had 104 fever today.
>
>
>
> I?m pressed for time and I?ve got a baby to tend to right now.
>
>
>
> If I want to call a remote php script from a php file in a different
> domain?? Curl it?
>
>
>
> Michele
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
>


From y2rob at aol.com  Tue Mar 24 13:42:31 2009
From: y2rob at aol.com (y2rob at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 13:42:31 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Remote php call
In-Reply-To: <5d515c620903240947l38681411md2ac22f251540808@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090324005356.TTQZ17632.hrndva-omta03.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>
	<5d515c620903240947l38681411md2ac22f251540808@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CB7ABF0A7BBDD0-710-E1C@webmail-mh46.sysops.aol.com>


 yeah i think curl is probably the best way.? plus i'm not sure if you have control over the service your calling, but if you do you can make it only reply to post requests, set authentification to the post request and other stuff to prevent malicious attacks.? there are options for ssl authentification, i had to use curl for a wsdl with user authentification and? just recently i created a quick curl call to a ruby webservice i created.? it's quick, easy and gets the job done.

~rob

-----Original Message-----
From: Brent Baisley <brenttech at gmail.com>
To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 12:47 pm
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Remote php call










Curl is the better way to go, but if you just need to hit a page on
another server you can use
file_get_contents("http://domain.com/script.php?param=a");

file_get_contents doesn't handle errors, failures, redirects,
timeouts, etc. very well, which is why curl is better. But in a pinch,
file_get_contents works.

Brent

2009/3/23 Michele Waldman <mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com>:
> Sorry for this posting.? I may seem lazy but everyone wants me to do
> everything right now and my daughter had 104 fever today.
>
>
>
> I?m pressed for time and I?ve got a baby to tend to right now.
>
>
>
> If I want to call a remote php script from a php file in a different
> domain?? Curl it?
>
>
>
> Michele
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP User Group Community Talk Maili
ng List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
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From rotsen at gmail.com  Tue Mar 24 14:31:06 2009
From: rotsen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?B?TulzdG9y?=)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 11:31:06 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Connecting to an Oracle DB
Message-ID: <a304e2d60903241131o7639afe8tfcdb412ab570c003@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

System = W2K / apache 2.055 / php 5.25 / mysql 5.0.18-nt

I am trying to connect to an Oracle Database and when using the
oci_connect()
function, I get an error on my apache error_log file:
PHP Warning: PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library
'c:\\php\\ext\\php_oci8.dll' - The specified
procedure could not be found.\r\n in Unknown on line 0

I have my extension _dir="C:\php\ext"
I have my extension= php_oci8.dll uncommented

I have re-started my apache.

Can anyone out there in the cloud help me?

Thanks,

Nestor :-)
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From rotsen at gmail.com  Tue Mar 24 15:08:45 2009
From: rotsen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?B?TulzdG9y?=)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 12:08:45 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Connecting to an Oracle DB
In-Reply-To: <a304e2d60903241131o7639afe8tfcdb412ab570c003@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a304e2d60903241131o7639afe8tfcdb412ab570c003@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a304e2d60903241208jb6e27edt509855db208ce9e3@mail.gmail.com>

Oracle 10G

On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 11:31 AM, N?stor <rotsen at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> System = W2K / apache 2.055 / php 5.25 / mysql 5.0.18-nt
>
> I am trying to connect to an Oracle Database and when using the
> oci_connect()
> function, I get an error on my apache error_log file:
> PHP Warning: PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library
> 'c:\\php\\ext\\php_oci8.dll' - The specified
> procedure could not be found.\r\n in Unknown on line 0
>
> I have my extension _dir="C:\php\ext"
> I have my extension= php_oci8.dll uncommented
>
> I have re-started my apache.
>
> Can anyone out there in the cloud help me?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nestor :-)
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From fgabrieli at gmail.com  Tue Mar 24 16:04:30 2009
From: fgabrieli at gmail.com (Fernando Gabrieli)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:04:30 -0300
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Remote php call
In-Reply-To: <8CB7ABF0A7BBDD0-710-E1C@webmail-mh46.sysops.aol.com>
References: <20090324005356.TTQZ17632.hrndva-omta03.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>
	<5d515c620903240947l38681411md2ac22f251540808@mail.gmail.com>
	<8CB7ABF0A7BBDD0-710-E1C@webmail-mh46.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <be1d525a0903241304j34d701fcuc4740b26eebb0abd@mail.gmail.com>

dont forget the SSL options for cURL if you are using HTTPS

best
fernando

2009/3/24 <y2rob at aol.com>

>  yeah i think curl is probably the best way.  plus i'm not sure if you
> have control over the service your calling, but if you do you can make it
> only reply to post requests, set authentification to the post request and
> other stuff to prevent malicious attacks.  there are options for ssl
> authentification, i had to use curl for a wsdl with user authentification
> and  just recently i created a quick curl call to a ruby webservice i
> created.  it's quick, easy and gets the job done.
>
> ~rob
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: Brent Baisley <brenttech at gmail.com>
> To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> Sent: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 12:47 pm
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Remote php call
>
>  Curl is the better way to go, but if you just need to hit a page on
>
> another server you can use
>
> file_get_contents("http://domain.com/script.php?param=a");
>
>
> file_get_contents doesn't handle errors, failures, redirects,
>
> timeouts, etc. very well, which is why curl is better. But in a pinch,
>
> file_get_contents works.
>
>
> Brent
>
>
> 2009/3/23 Michele Waldman <mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com>:
>
> > Sorry for this posting.  I may20seem lazy but everyone wants me to do
>
> > everything right now and my daughter had 104 fever today.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > I?m pressed for time and I?ve got a baby to tend to right now.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > If I want to call a remote php script from a php file in a different
>
> > domain?  Curl it?
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Michele
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > _______________________________________________
>
> > New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
>
> > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
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> >
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From ajai at bitblit.net  Tue Mar 24 17:00:15 2009
From: ajai at bitblit.net (Ajai Khattri)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:00:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Connecting to an Oracle DB
In-Reply-To: <a304e2d60903241131o7639afe8tfcdb412ab570c003@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0903241659520.14666-100000@bitblit.net>

On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, N?stor wrote:

> I am trying to connect to an Oracle Database and when using the
> oci_connect()
> function, I get an error on my apache error_log file:
> PHP Warning: PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library
> 'c:\\php\\ext\\php_oci8.dll' - The specified
> procedure could not be found.\r\n in Unknown on line 0
> 
> I have my extension _dir="C:\php\ext"
> I have my extension= php_oci8.dll uncommented

Is it listed in he output from phpinfo() ?



-- 
Aj.



From rotsen at gmail.com  Tue Mar 24 18:19:18 2009
From: rotsen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?B?TulzdG9y?=)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:19:18 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Connecting to an Oracle DB
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0903241659520.14666-100000@bitblit.net>
References: <a304e2d60903241131o7639afe8tfcdb412ab570c003@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0903241659520.14666-100000@bitblit.net>
Message-ID: <a304e2d60903241519q3a526991s7256092366a5eb52@mail.gmail.com>

NO!

On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Ajai Khattri <ajai at bitblit.net> wrote:

> On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, N?stor wrote:
>
> > I am trying to connect to an Oracle Database and when using the
> > oci_connect()
> > function, I get an error on my apache error_log file:
> > PHP Warning: PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library
> > 'c:\\php\\ext\\php_oci8.dll' - The specified
> > procedure could not be found.\r\n in Unknown on line 0
> >
> > I have my extension _dir="C:\php\ext"
> > I have my extension= php_oci8.dll uncommented
>
> Is it listed in he output from phpinfo() ?
>
>
>
> --
> Aj.
>
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From ajai at bitblit.net  Tue Mar 24 18:56:36 2009
From: ajai at bitblit.net (Ajai Khattri)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 18:56:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Connecting to an Oracle DB
In-Reply-To: <a304e2d60903241519q3a526991s7256092366a5eb52@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0903241856190.14666-100000@bitblit.net>

On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, N?stor wrote:

> NO!

Yeah, there's your problem :-)


-- 
Aj.



From rotsen at gmail.com  Tue Mar 24 19:02:24 2009
From: rotsen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?B?TulzdG9y?=)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:02:24 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Connecting to an Oracle DB
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0903241856190.14666-100000@bitblit.net>
References: <a304e2d60903241519q3a526991s7256092366a5eb52@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <a304e2d60903241602u5f309a33k830fb91254b19348@mail.gmail.com>

Ajai,

I do not get it?

YOu mean I have to install oci8.dll? from where?  Pear?

Thanks,
:-)

2009/3/24 Ajai Khattri <ajai at bitblit.net>

> On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, N?stor wrote:
>
> > NO!
>
> Yeah, there's your problem :-)
>
>
> --
> Aj.
>
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From ajai at bitblit.net  Tue Mar 24 19:37:12 2009
From: ajai at bitblit.net (Ajai Khattri)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 19:37:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Connecting to an Oracle DB
In-Reply-To: <a304e2d60903241602u5f309a33k830fb91254b19348@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0903241935370.14666-100000@bitblit.net>

On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, N?stor wrote:

> I do not get it?
> 
> YOu mean I have to install oci8.dll? from where?  Pear?

Im assuming since its not shown in phpinfo() output then you either don't 
have it installed or PHP doesn't see it.

Are you using OCI8 functions? Or using PDO..?



-- 
Aj.



From rotsen at gmail.com  Tue Mar 24 19:40:51 2009
From: rotsen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?B?TulzdG9y?=)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:40:51 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Connecting to an Oracle DB
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0903241935370.14666-100000@bitblit.net>
References: <a304e2d60903241602u5f309a33k830fb91254b19348@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <a304e2d60903241640n448d4205x96d00ea752c02da0@mail.gmail.com>

oci8

I am trying to figure out where t downloaded from for php 5.2.5



On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 4:37 PM, Ajai Khattri <ajai at bitblit.net> wrote:

> On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, N?stor wrote:
>
> > I do not get it?
> >
> > YOu mean I have to install oci8.dll? from where?  Pear?
>
> Im assuming since its not shown in phpinfo() output then you either don't
> have it installed or PHP doesn't see it.
>
> Are you using OCI8 functions? Or using PDO..?
>
>
>
> --
> Aj.
>
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From mutazmusa at gmail.com  Tue Mar 24 21:05:06 2009
From: mutazmusa at gmail.com (Mutaz Musa)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:05:06 -0800
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Connecting to an Oracle DB
In-Reply-To: <a304e2d60903241640n448d4205x96d00ea752c02da0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a304e2d60903241602u5f309a33k830fb91254b19348@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0903241935370.14666-100000@bitblit.net>
	<a304e2d60903241640n448d4205x96d00ea752c02da0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <602c8ac0903241805m60701cd0rfc1fe1537294dffa@mail.gmail.com>

Check the configuration file path on phpinfo() and make sure you uncommented
the right one.

2009/3/24 N?stor <rotsen at gmail.com>

> oci8
>
> I am trying to figure out where t downloaded from for php 5.2.5
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 4:37 PM, Ajai Khattri <ajai at bitblit.net> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, N?stor wrote:
>>
>> > I do not get it?
>> >
>> > YOu mean I have to install oci8.dll? from where?  Pear?
>>
>> Im assuming since its not shown in phpinfo() output then you either don't
>> have it installed or PHP doesn't see it.
>>
>> Are you using OCI8 functions? Or using PDO..?
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Aj.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>>
>> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
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>
>
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From smanes at magpie.com  Tue Mar 24 23:26:07 2009
From: smanes at magpie.com (Steve Manes)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 23:26:07 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] APC for a custom PHP session handler
Message-ID: <49C9A44F.9050603@magpie.com>

Has anyone done this?  I know that memcached can be used as an 
alternative data store for PHP sessions but I don't recall anyone trying 
this with APC.


From lists at zaunere.com  Tue Mar 24 23:43:58 2009
From: lists at zaunere.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 23:43:58 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] APC for a custom PHP session handler
In-Reply-To: <49C9A44F.9050603@magpie.com>
References: <49C9A44F.9050603@magpie.com>
Message-ID: <056001c9acfb$ee12ad60$ca380820$@com>

> Has anyone done this?  I know that memcached can be used as an
> alternative data store for PHP sessions but I don't recall anyone
> trying this with APC.

either works - memcached of course giving you distributed multi-server
shared data easier than APC.

H






From jcampbell1 at gmail.com  Tue Mar 24 23:44:38 2009
From: jcampbell1 at gmail.com (John Campbell)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 23:44:38 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] APC for a custom PHP session handler
In-Reply-To: <49C9A44F.9050603@magpie.com>
References: <49C9A44F.9050603@magpie.com>
Message-ID: <8f0676b40903242044j27c60035hb51c1146a2b83c68@mail.gmail.com>

Don't do it.  It is either a solution to a problem you don't have, or
the wrong solution.  APC has one datastore per server, which will be a
disaster once you have more than 1 front end machine, or if you have
to restart the webserver then all your users will get logged out.

What do you store in sessions?  The most performant solution is
tamper-proof cookies, but that only works if the amount of data you
are storing is always less than ~3k, and you must write the session
before any output is sent.

The second best is database or database+memcache.


On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 11:26 PM, Steve Manes <smanes at magpie.com> wrote:
> Has anyone done this? ?I know that memcached can be used as an alternative
> data store for PHP sessions but I don't recall anyone trying this with APC.
> _______________________________________________
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From smanes at magpie.com  Wed Mar 25 00:03:11 2009
From: smanes at magpie.com (Steve Manes)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 00:03:11 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] APC for a custom PHP session handler
In-Reply-To: <8f0676b40903242044j27c60035hb51c1146a2b83c68@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49C9A44F.9050603@magpie.com>
	<8f0676b40903242044j27c60035hb51c1146a2b83c68@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49C9ACFF.3020708@magpie.com>

John Campbell wrote:
> Don't do it.  It is either a solution to a problem you don't have, or
> the wrong solution.  APC has one datastore per server, which will be a
> disaster once you have more than 1 front end machine, or if you have
> to restart the webserver then all your users will get logged out.

I'm aware that it's a single server solution.  So is the stock /tmp 
session storage.  However most web sites are single server and are 
unlikely ever to be clustered so there's definitely a "market" for it. 
Worst case, since PHP's session support is so well partitioned, if you 
should need to cluster later you can always return to a database 
solution for session support without affecting your application code.

I'm just floating an idea here.  If you're already employing APC, using 
its user cache space for session data store would save one round trip to 
the database per session-targeted page request, which isn't insignificant.

I'm just wondering if there are some other reasons for not using APC for 
this.


From jcampbell1 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 25 02:41:43 2009
From: jcampbell1 at gmail.com (John Campbell)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 02:41:43 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] APC for a custom PHP session handler
In-Reply-To: <49C9ACFF.3020708@magpie.com>
References: <49C9A44F.9050603@magpie.com>
	<8f0676b40903242044j27c60035hb51c1146a2b83c68@mail.gmail.com>
	<49C9ACFF.3020708@magpie.com>
Message-ID: <8f0676b40903242341m13ef1eb6g94fda52811f7cd85@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:03 AM, Steve Manes <smanes at magpie.com> wrote:
> John Campbell wrote:
>>
>> Don't do it. ?It is either a solution to a problem you don't have, or
>> the wrong solution. ?APC has one datastore per server, which will be a
>> disaster once you have more than 1 front end machine, or if you have
>> to restart the webserver then all your users will get logged out.
>
> I'm aware that it's a single server solution. ?So is the stock /tmp session
> storage. ?However most web sites are single server and are unlikely ever to
> be clustered so there's definitely a "market" for it. Worst case, since
> PHP's session support is so well partitioned, if you should need to cluster
> later you can always return to a database solution for session support
> without affecting your application code.
>
> I'm just floating an idea here. ?If you're already employing APC, using its
> user cache space for session data store would save one round trip to the
> database per session-targeted page request, which isn't insignificant.
>
> I'm just wondering if there are some other reasons for not using APC for
> this.

Assuming a single server solution, you are trading persistence for
performance.  IMO, the performance gain is trivial unless you are
constantly modifying your sessions.

I use a trick that eliminates 95% of session related disk I/O, and
relies on two principles:
1) Only write the session data if it has actually changed.
2) Update the access time on read, but allow for a window (e.g.
Sessions last 5 hours, but are only extended if they are accessed when
0-2 hours remains on the session)

Below is some pseudo code:

$sh = new Custom_Session_Handler($db_link,$min_lifetime,$max_lifetime)

class Custom_Session_Handler {

function _read($id) {
  // normal read stuff

  if($valid_until < time() - $this->min_lifetime ) {
    UPDATE sessions SET valid_until = NOW() + $this->max_lifetime
  }

  $this->_data = $data;
  return $data;
}

function _write($data) {
  if ($data != $this->_data) {
   // update sql
  }
}

}


Regards,
John Campbell


From ps at blu-studio.com  Wed Mar 25 06:01:16 2009
From: ps at blu-studio.com (Peter Sawczynec)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 06:01:16 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Parse HTML Files as PHP
In-Reply-To: <8f0676b40902221313o1812a4d2t29d4881737218dd7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0902212311500.24795-100000@bitblit.net>	<p06240804c5c70539dded@192.168.1.101>	<000701c9951a$39044800$ab0cd800$@com>
	<8f0676b40902221313o1812a4d2t29d4881737218dd7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000901c9ad30$a3b7ffb0$eb27ff10$@com>

For reference regarding this topic, I tried many kinds of single
directives with no success. Only after using these combined directive(s)
in an .htaccess file at the top level folder caused my HTML files to get
parsed by PHP immediately:

AddType application/x-httpd-php .htm .html
AddHandler x-httpd-php  .htm .html

Further it was this post, that wrapped up the variations on this
technique very nicely and gave me answers:
http://www.velvetblues.com/web-development-blog/how-to-parse-html-files-
as-php/


Warmest regards, 
?
Peter Sawczynec 
Technology Dir.
bl?studio 
941.893.0396
ps at blu-studio.com 
www.blu-studio.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of John Campbell
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 4:14 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Parse HTML Files as PHP

2009/2/22 Peter Sawczynec <ps at blu-studio.com>:

> So now if anyone with some SEO/search background can weigh in on the
> page name change issue
> that would be great.

You are on the right track.  You could do a bazillion 301 redirects
from .html to .php , but that is a waste of your time, will slow down
page loads, and 301 redirects don't always pass 100% of the link
juice.  Why bother?
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From tgales at tgaconnect.com  Wed Mar 25 07:38:58 2009
From: tgales at tgaconnect.com (Tim Gales)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 07:38:58 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Connecting to an Oracle DB
In-Reply-To: <a304e2d60903241131o7639afe8tfcdb412ab570c003@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a304e2d60903241131o7639afe8tfcdb412ab570c003@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49CA17D2.6040502@tgaconnect.com>

N?stor wrote:
> Hi,
>
> System = W2K / apache 2.055 / php 5.25 / mysql 5.0.18-nt
>
> I am trying to connect to an Oracle Database and when using the 
> oci_connect()
>
Oracle 10g uses a different 'dll' than 11g does.
(php_oci8 versus php_oci8_11g.dll)

You can use the 10g version of the dll to connect to an
11.1g database or so it is claimed at:

http://pecl.php.net/package/oci8

I am guessing that you would have reduced functionality
 if you used the older dll.
(I never connect to anything higher than 10g)

-- 
T. Gales & Associates 

'Helping People Connect with Technology' 

http://www.tgaconnect.com 



From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Wed Mar 25 10:01:37 2009
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 10:01:37 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Connecting to an Oracle DB
In-Reply-To: <602c8ac0903241805m60701cd0rfc1fe1537294dffa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a304e2d60903241602u5f309a33k830fb91254b19348@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0903241935370.14666-100000@bitblit.net>
	<a304e2d60903241640n448d4205x96d00ea752c02da0@mail.gmail.com>
	<602c8ac0903241805m60701cd0rfc1fe1537294dffa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090325140137.GA7052@panix.com>

Nestor:

On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 05:05:06PM -0800, Mutaz Musa wrote:
> Check the configuration file path on phpinfo() and make sure you uncommented
> the right one.

Mutaz is correct.  The extension dll ships with PHP, so you don't need to 
download anything.  Just double check all of your settings shown in 
phpinfo() (such as Loaded Configuration File and other additional ini 
files, extension_dir).

--Dan

-- 
 T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
            data intensive web and database programming
                http://www.AnalysisAndSolutions.com/
 4015 7th Ave #4, Brooklyn NY 11232  v: 718-854-0335 f: 718-854-0409


From brian at realm3.com  Wed Mar 25 10:17:39 2009
From: brian at realm3.com (Brian D.)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 10:17:39 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] "Becoming A Bash Ninja" Slides
Message-ID: <c7c53eda0903250717p3a80d84dx6e4747aa5092a8ed@mail.gmail.com>

I just put the slides online here:

http://realm3.com/articles/nyphp_presentation_-_become_a_bash_ninja

Hopefully later we'll have a video to put up with this, too, but for
now the slides contain all of the links from the presentation.

Thanks,
- Brian D.

realm3 web applications [realm3.com]
Information architecture, application development.


From rotsen at gmail.com  Wed Mar 25 10:20:22 2009
From: rotsen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?B?TulzdG9y?=)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 07:20:22 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Connecting to an Oracle DB
In-Reply-To: <20090325140137.GA7052@panix.com>
References: <a304e2d60903241602u5f309a33k830fb91254b19348@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0903241935370.14666-100000@bitblit.net>
	<a304e2d60903241640n448d4205x96d00ea752c02da0@mail.gmail.com>
	<602c8ac0903241805m60701cd0rfc1fe1537294dffa@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090325140137.GA7052@panix.com>
Message-ID: <a304e2d60903250720g59fd80ddxe63bd73034c4de9@mail.gmail.com>

People,

I have done all of the above and still phpinfo() doea not show the oci8.
Yes, I do have the php_oci8.dll in the ext directory.  I even copied it to
the
system32 directory to the C:\php directory and to apache's bin directory and
phpinfo still does not see the oci8.

I am even looking in the Oracle world to see what could be the reason that
the oci8
is not recognized because the error messages says "Unable to load the
dynamic
library C:\php\ext\php_oci8.dll"

Thnaks for your replies,

:-)

On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 7:01 AM, Daniel Convissor <
danielc at analysisandsolutions.com> wrote:

> Nestor:
>
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 05:05:06PM -0800, Mutaz Musa wrote:
> > Check the configuration file path on phpinfo() and make sure you
> uncommented
> > the right one.
>
> Mutaz is correct.  The extension dll ships with PHP, so you don't need to
> download anything.  Just double check all of your settings shown in
> phpinfo() (such as Loaded Configuration File and other additional ini
> files, extension_dir).
>
> --Dan
>
> --
>  T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
>            data intensive web and database programming
>                http://www.AnalysisAndSolutions.com/
>  4015 7th Ave #4, Brooklyn NY 11232  v: 718-854-0335 f: 718-854-0409
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>
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From afischer at email.smith.edu  Wed Mar 25 10:49:42 2009
From: afischer at email.smith.edu (Aaron Fischer)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 10:49:42 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Chat software
Message-ID: <27F5FE9A-BF61-4AE9-8CB6-D9DE1F78F22F@email.smith.edu>

Heya, does anyone have any experience or recommendations for chat  
software?  I'm looking for something to host a group of chatters in a  
room, probably around 20-40 chatters at a time.

I had something a year or so ago, I think it was called FlashChat, and  
it was a php/flash combination.  It was pretty nice but our server  
admins removed it due to security concerns.

So, any recommendations?

Thanks,

-Aaron


From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Wed Mar 25 11:02:52 2009
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 11:02:52 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Connecting to an Oracle DB
In-Reply-To: <a304e2d60903250720g59fd80ddxe63bd73034c4de9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a304e2d60903241602u5f309a33k830fb91254b19348@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0903241935370.14666-100000@bitblit.net>
	<a304e2d60903241640n448d4205x96d00ea752c02da0@mail.gmail.com>
	<602c8ac0903241805m60701cd0rfc1fe1537294dffa@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090325140137.GA7052@panix.com>
	<a304e2d60903250720g59fd80ddxe63bd73034c4de9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090325150252.GA20408@panix.com>

Nestor:

On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 07:20:22AM -0700, N?stor wrote:

> "Unable to load the dynamic library C:\php\ext\php_oci8.dll"

All I can say is I've run oci8 on windows without incident in the past.  
Perhaps you have a problem with your file permissions?

Also, are other extensions loading?  Try uncommenting and commenting out 
some extensions in your in file and see what happens to phpinfo().

Which version of PHP are you using?

Perhaps try reinstalling?  Get a fresh download from php.net, move your 
old installation aside, put the new version in place.

--Dan

-- 
 T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
            data intensive web and database programming
                http://www.AnalysisAndSolutions.com/
 4015 7th Ave #4, Brooklyn NY 11232  v: 718-854-0335 f: 718-854-0409


From rolan at omnistep.com  Wed Mar 25 11:09:44 2009
From: rolan at omnistep.com (Rolan Yang)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 11:09:44 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Chat software
In-Reply-To: <27F5FE9A-BF61-4AE9-8CB6-D9DE1F78F22F@email.smith.edu>
References: <27F5FE9A-BF61-4AE9-8CB6-D9DE1F78F22F@email.smith.edu>
Message-ID: <49CA4938.3050307@omnistep.com>

Aaron Fischer wrote:
> Heya, does anyone have any experience or recommendations for chat 
> software?  I'm looking for something to host a group of chatters in a 
> room, probably around 20-40 chatters at a time.
>
> I had something a year or so ago, I think it was called FlashChat, and 
> it was a php/flash combination.  It was pretty nice but our server 
> admins removed it due to security concerns.
>
> So, any recommendations?
>

1) meebo.com rooms
2) gabbly.com - (has ads)
3) zoho meeting (used to work stand alone, but now I think you have to 
have an account and be logged in for the chat to be enabled).

~Rolan


From tom at supertom.com  Wed Mar 25 11:21:07 2009
From: tom at supertom.com (Tom Melendez)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 08:21:07 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] "Becoming A Bash Ninja" Slides
In-Reply-To: <c7c53eda0903250717p3a80d84dx6e4747aa5092a8ed@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c7c53eda0903250717p3a80d84dx6e4747aa5092a8ed@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <117286890903250821x3948393bs7b87109a9a2be852@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 7:17 AM, Brian D. <brian at realm3.com> wrote:
> I just put the slides online here:
>
> http://realm3.com/articles/nyphp_presentation_-_become_a_bash_ninja
>

I wasn't familiar with "siege"  - I'm going to check it out!  Thanks.

Tom
http://www.liphp.org


From rotsen at gmail.com  Wed Mar 25 12:01:46 2009
From: rotsen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?B?TulzdG9y?=)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 09:01:46 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Connecting to an Oracle DB
In-Reply-To: <20090325150252.GA20408@panix.com>
References: <a304e2d60903241602u5f309a33k830fb91254b19348@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0903241935370.14666-100000@bitblit.net>
	<a304e2d60903241640n448d4205x96d00ea752c02da0@mail.gmail.com>
	<602c8ac0903241805m60701cd0rfc1fe1537294dffa@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090325140137.GA7052@panix.com>
	<a304e2d60903250720g59fd80ddxe63bd73034c4de9@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090325150252.GA20408@panix.com>
Message-ID: <a304e2d60903250901x624c1c9fn6cd105efa90c828f@mail.gmail.com>

I am using php 5.2.5
php_mysql.dll is loading and I can access my mysql databse with some of my
php programs
php_ldap.dll is loading

Yes, I might have to download and install php 5.2.9 which is the latest

Thanks,

Again!!!




On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 8:02 AM, Daniel Convissor <
danielc at analysisandsolutions.com> wrote:

> Nestor:
>
> On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 07:20:22AM -0700, N?stor wrote:
>
> > "Unable to load the dynamic library C:\php\ext\php_oci8.dll"
>
> All I can say is I've run oci8 on windows without incident in the past.
> Perhaps you have a problem with your file permissions?
>
> Also, are other extensions loading?  Try uncommenting and commenting out
> some extensions in your in file and see what happens to phpinfo().
>
> Which version of PHP are you using?
>
> Perhaps try reinstalling?  Get a fresh download from php.net, move your
> old installation aside, put the new version in place.
>
> --Dan
>
> --
>  T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
>            data intensive web and database programming
>                http://www.AnalysisAndSolutions.com/
>  4015 7th Ave #4, Brooklyn NY 11232  v: 718-854-0335 f: 718-854-0409
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
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From corey at gelform.com  Wed Mar 25 12:13:07 2009
From: corey at gelform.com (Corey H Maass - gelform.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 12:13:07 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Chat software
In-Reply-To: <49CA4938.3050307@omnistep.com>
References: <27F5FE9A-BF61-4AE9-8CB6-D9DE1F78F22F@email.smith.edu>
	<49CA4938.3050307@omnistep.com>
Message-ID: <1237997587.19127.1307263215@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Campfire.

On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 11:09:44 -0400, "Rolan Yang" <rolan at omnistep.com>
said:
> Aaron Fischer wrote:
> > Heya, does anyone have any experience or recommendations for chat 
> > software?  I'm looking for something to host a group of chatters in a 
> > room, probably around 20-40 chatters at a time.
> >
> > I had something a year or so ago, I think it was called FlashChat, and 
> > it was a php/flash combination.  It was pretty nice but our server 
> > admins removed it due to security concerns.
> >
> > So, any recommendations?
> >
> 
> 1) meebo.com rooms
> 2) gabbly.com - (has ads)
> 3) zoho meeting (used to work stand alone, but now I think you have to 
> have an account and be logged in for the chat to be enabled).
> 
> ~Rolan
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> 
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php

//
Corey H Maass
Gelform Design
Brooklyn, NY
Web design and development for art and business

em corey at gelform.com
ww http://www.gelform.com
ph 646/228.5048
fx 866/502.4861
IM gelform



From smanes at magpie.com  Wed Mar 25 12:31:02 2009
From: smanes at magpie.com (Steve Manes)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 12:31:02 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] APC for a custom PHP session handler
In-Reply-To: <8f0676b40903242341m13ef1eb6g94fda52811f7cd85@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49C9A44F.9050603@magpie.com>	<8f0676b40903242044j27c60035hb51c1146a2b83c68@mail.gmail.com>	<49C9ACFF.3020708@magpie.com>
	<8f0676b40903242341m13ef1eb6g94fda52811f7cd85@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49CA5C46.7050201@magpie.com>

John Campbell wrote:
> Assuming a single server solution, you are trading persistence for
> performance.  IMO, the performance gain is trivial unless you are
> constantly modifying your sessions.
> 
> I use a trick that eliminates 95% of session related disk I/O, and
> relies on two principles:
> 1) Only write the session data if it has actually changed.
> 2) Update the access time on read, but allow for a window (e.g.
> Sessions last 5 hours, but are only extended if they are accessed when
> 0-2 hours remains on the session)

I already know the relative merits of database vs shared memory data 
stores.  I want to see if there are any issues with using APC for PHP 
session storage.  I've been testing a Drupal module I wrote to use APC 
user cache and it's worked well for several months.  But I don't know if 
there are any curve balls in using APC for session storage.



From ajai at bitblit.net  Wed Mar 25 12:57:00 2009
From: ajai at bitblit.net (Ajai Khattri)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 12:57:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Chat software
In-Reply-To: <49CA4938.3050307@omnistep.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0903251256210.14666-100000@bitblit.net>

On Wed, 25 Mar 2009, Rolan Yang wrote:

> 1) meebo.com rooms

+1

Ive used meebo rooms from inside symfony. API is easy to use.


-- 
Aj.



From leeeyerman at aol.com  Wed Mar 25 13:00:55 2009
From: leeeyerman at aol.com (leeeyerman at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 13:00:55 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Chat software
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0903251256210.14666-100000@bitblit.net>
Message-ID: <8CB7B82658AF265-CA4-15BB@FWM-D26.sysops.aol.com>

123flashchat.com

integrates into php/mysql really well, have powerful java server, with nice flash front end... and complete php compt... I have used it a lot, and I like it.

lee




-----Original Message-----
From: Ajai Khattri <ajai at bitblit.net>
To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 10:57 am
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Chat software



On Wed, 25 Mar 2009, Rolan Yang wrote:

> 1) meebo.com rooms

+1

Ive used meebo rooms from inside symfony. API is easy to use.


-- 
Aj.

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From leam at reuel.net  Wed Mar 25 13:45:57 2009
From: leam at reuel.net (Leam Hall)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 13:45:57 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] "Becoming A Bash Ninja" Slides
In-Reply-To: <c7c53eda0903250717p3a80d84dx6e4747aa5092a8ed@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c7c53eda0903250717p3a80d84dx6e4747aa5092a8ed@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49CA6DD5.1070005@reuel.net>

Good stuff, I have to take some notes!

My personal favorite is using find with a grep -i for when people mix 
case in filenames.

	find . | grep -i <string>

Leam


From mike at michaelpjohnson.com  Wed Mar 25 13:48:48 2009
From: mike at michaelpjohnson.com (Michael Johnson)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 13:48:48 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] "Becoming A Bash Ninja" Slides
In-Reply-To: <49CA6DD5.1070005@reuel.net>
References: <c7c53eda0903250717p3a80d84dx6e4747aa5092a8ed@mail.gmail.com>
	<49CA6DD5.1070005@reuel.net>
Message-ID: <49CA6E80.1040408@michaelpjohnson.com>

Leam Hall wrote:
> Good stuff, I have to take some notes!
>
> My personal favorite is using find with a grep -i for when people mix 
> case in filenames.
>
>     find . | grep -i <string>
>
> Leam
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
Or...
find . -iname <string>

Love the presentation, I'm going to refer a few new bash users over to it.


From sequethin at gmail.com  Wed Mar 25 13:55:17 2009
From: sequethin at gmail.com (Michael Hernandez)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 13:55:17 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] "Becoming A Bash Ninja" Slides
In-Reply-To: <49CA6E80.1040408@michaelpjohnson.com>
References: <c7c53eda0903250717p3a80d84dx6e4747aa5092a8ed@mail.gmail.com>
	<49CA6DD5.1070005@reuel.net> <49CA6E80.1040408@michaelpjohnson.com>
Message-ID: <B243FABA-AE38-4EB7-A701-27B439C5E67E@gmail.com>


On Mar 25, 2009, at 1:48 PM, Michael Johnson wrote:

> Leam Hall wrote:
>> Good stuff, I have to take some notes!
>>
>> My personal favorite is using find with a grep -i for when people  
>> mix case in filenames.
>>
>>    find . | grep -i <string>
>>
>> Leam
>> _______________________________________________
>> New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
>> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>>
>> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
> Or...
> find . -iname <string>
>
> Love the presentation, I'm going to refer a few new bash users over  
> to it.

and don't forget vimtutor

and....   for the daring.... zsh

:)

--Mike H


From ajai at bitblit.net  Wed Mar 25 16:03:44 2009
From: ajai at bitblit.net (Ajai Khattri)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 16:03:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Chat software
In-Reply-To: <8CB7B82658AF265-CA4-15BB@FWM-D26.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0903251602420.14666-100000@bitblit.net>

On Wed, 25 Mar 2009, leeeyerman at aol.com wrote:

> 123flashchat.com
> 
> integrates into php/mysql really well, have powerful java server, with nice flash front end... and complete php compt... I have used it a lot, and I like it.

The meebo chat is Flash-based and uses their proven server infrastructure 
not yours. No fancy Java server needed.


-- 
Aj.



From justin at justinhileman.info  Wed Mar 25 19:09:18 2009
From: justin at justinhileman.info (justin)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 19:09:18 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Chat software
In-Reply-To: <27F5FE9A-BF61-4AE9-8CB6-D9DE1F78F22F@email.smith.edu>
References: <27F5FE9A-BF61-4AE9-8CB6-D9DE1F78F22F@email.smith.edu>
Message-ID: <1dc0e7e00903251609s58f4ea14qa6874778d1067f85@mail.gmail.com>

http://tinychat.com/ :)

On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Aaron Fischer
<afischer at email.smith.edu> wrote:
> Heya, does anyone have any experience or recommendations for chat software?
> ?I'm looking for something to host a group of chatters in a room, probably
> around 20-40 chatters at a time.
>
> I had something a year or so ago, I think it was called FlashChat, and it
> was a php/flash combination. ?It was pretty nice but our server admins
> removed it due to security concerns.
>
> So, any recommendations?
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Aaron
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
>



-- 
justin
http://justinhileman.com


From tgales at tgaconnect.com  Thu Mar 26 02:28:03 2009
From: tgales at tgaconnect.com (Tim Gales)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 02:28:03 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Connecting to an Oracle DB
In-Reply-To: <a304e2d60903250901x624c1c9fn6cd105efa90c828f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a304e2d60903241602u5f309a33k830fb91254b19348@mail.gmail.com>	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0903241935370.14666-100000@bitblit.net>	<a304e2d60903241640n448d4205x96d00ea752c02da0@mail.gmail.com>	<602c8ac0903241805m60701cd0rfc1fe1537294dffa@mail.gmail.com>	<20090325140137.GA7052@panix.com>	<a304e2d60903250720g59fd80ddxe63bd73034c4de9@mail.gmail.com>	<20090325150252.GA20408@panix.com>
	<a304e2d60903250901x624c1c9fn6cd105efa90c828f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49CB2073.5020306@tgaconnect.com>

N?stor wrote:
> I am using php 5.2.5
> php_mysql.dll is loading and I can access my mysql databse with some 
> of my php programs
> php_ldap.dll is loading
>
> Yes, I might have to download and install php 5.2.9 which is the latest
First download a copy of dependency walker from:
http://www.dependencywalker.com/

Make sure that you have a copy of of php_oci8.dll in the
ext directory (as defined in your php.ini)

Run dependency walker on the php_oci8.dll

Chances are that you will see an error about not being able to
open OCI.DLL

This means that your windows os cannot find the client connect software.

You should change your path to point to the client software --
or somehow get dependency walker to run clean.

The most probable cause of not being able to load the client
software is that no client is installed

Perhaps you should read
http://www.oracle.com/technology/tech/php/pdf/underground-php-oracle-manual.pdf 

"THE UNDERGROUND PHP
AND ORACLE? MANUAL
CHRISTOPHER"

A word of advice: don't let dll's resolve to your system directory
That is, erase php_oci8.dll from the system32 directory
 (and anywhere else you may  have thought it should go --
and use 'path' resolving instead)

-- 
T. Gales & Associates 

'Helping People Connect with Technology' 

http://www.tgaconnect.com 



From david at davidmintz.org  Fri Mar 27 09:12:18 2009
From: david at davidmintz.org (David Mintz)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:12:18 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] .... speaking of Drupal
Message-ID: <721f1cc50903270612t2179e913j35496b56f43453fb@mail.gmail.com>

Maybe we ought to have a NYPHP Drupal SIG/email llist. Doncha think?

-- 
David Mintz
http://davidmintz.org/

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From lists at zaunere.com  Fri Mar 27 09:19:38 2009
From: lists at zaunere.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:19:38 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] .... speaking of Drupal
In-Reply-To: <721f1cc50903270612t2179e913j35496b56f43453fb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <721f1cc50903270612t2179e913j35496b56f43453fb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <011201c9aede$ae3d5e80$0ab81b80$@com>

Hi,

> Maybe we ought to have a NYPHP Drupal SIG/email llist. Doncha think?

I think this is a good idea, so long as there is interest.

Any other yays?  I can have it setup today.

H




From kenrbnsn at rbnsn.com  Fri Mar 27 09:24:01 2009
From: kenrbnsn at rbnsn.com (Ken Robinson)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:24:01 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] .... speaking of Drupal
In-Reply-To: <011201c9aede$ae3d5e80$0ab81b80$@com>
References: <721f1cc50903270612t2179e913j35496b56f43453fb@mail.gmail.com>
	<011201c9aede$ae3d5e80$0ab81b80$@com>
Message-ID: <004901c9aedf$4cbc7910$e6356b30$@com>

Yay. I've been learning Drupal on the job for the last year, so another way
of answering questions would be welcome.

Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On
Behalf Of Hans Zaunere
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 9:20 AM
To: 'NYPHP Talk'
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] .... speaking of Drupal

Hi,

> Maybe we ought to have a NYPHP Drupal SIG/email llist. Doncha think?

I think this is a good idea, so long as there is interest.

Any other yays?  I can have it setup today.

H


_______________________________________________
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http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk

http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php



From compustretch at gmail.com  Fri Mar 27 09:29:13 2009
From: compustretch at gmail.com (Compi)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:29:13 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] .... speaking of Drupal
In-Reply-To: <011201c9aede$ae3d5e80$0ab81b80$@com>
References: <721f1cc50903270612t2179e913j35496b56f43453fb@mail.gmail.com>
	<011201c9aede$ae3d5e80$0ab81b80$@com>
Message-ID: <c2f754300903270629w47923abej1988f2e42e3ccc3b@mail.gmail.com>

drupal is so cool it doesn't neeeed an email list?!

j/k, please add me.


/?
-- 
"In theory, theory and practice are exactly the same.
In practice, they're completely different."



On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Hans Zaunere <lists at zaunere.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> > Maybe we ought to have a NYPHP Drupal SIG/email llist. Doncha think?
>
> I think this is a good idea, so long as there is interest.
>
> Any other yays?  I can have it setup today.
>
> H
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
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From yitzchas at touro.edu  Fri Mar 27 10:05:03 2009
From: yitzchas at touro.edu (Yitzchak Schaffer)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:05:03 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] .... speaking of Drupal
In-Reply-To: <011201c9aede$ae3d5e80$0ab81b80$@com>
References: <721f1cc50903270612t2179e913j35496b56f43453fb@mail.gmail.com>
	<011201c9aede$ae3d5e80$0ab81b80$@com>
Message-ID: <49CCDD0F.2010301@touro.edu>

Hans Zaunere wrote:
> I think this is a good idea, so long as there is interest.
> 
> Any other yays?  I can have it setup today.

++

-- 
Yitzchak Schaffer
Systems Manager
Touro College Libraries
33 West 23rd Street
New York, NY 10010
Tel (212) 463-0400 x5230
Fax (212) 627-3197
Email yitzchas at touro.edu
Twitter /torahsyslib


From d at ingk.com  Fri Mar 27 10:11:58 2009
From: d at ingk.com (Damion Hankejh (ingk))
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:11:58 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] .... speaking of Drupal
In-Reply-To: <721f1cc50903270612t2179e913j35496b56f43453fb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <721f1cc50903270612t2179e913j35496b56f43453fb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <017701c9aee5$feadb2f0$fc0918d0$@com>

Double-plus good.

__________________________________
Damion H?nkejh | d at ingk.com 

 

From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On
Behalf Of David Mintz
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 9:12 AM



Maybe we ought to have a NYPHP Drupal SIG/email llist. Doncha think?

-- 
David Mintz
http://davidmintz.org/

The subtle source is clear and bright
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From lists at zaunere.com  Fri Mar 27 10:29:59 2009
From: lists at zaunere.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:29:59 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] .... speaking of Drupal
In-Reply-To: <011201c9aede$ae3d5e80$0ab81b80$@com>
References: <721f1cc50903270612t2179e913j35496b56f43453fb@mail.gmail.com>
	<011201c9aede$ae3d5e80$0ab81b80$@com>
Message-ID: <017c01c9aee8$8235f630$86a1e290$@com>

> > Maybe we ought to have a NYPHP Drupal SIG/email llist. Doncha think?
> 
> I think this is a good idea, so long as there is interest.
> 
> Any other yays?  I can have it setup today.

Ok, that's enough feedback for me...

http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/drupal

I'll get an announce out as well.

H




From lists at zaunere.com  Fri Mar 27 11:29:11 2009
From: lists at zaunere.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:29:11 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] .... speaking of Drupal
In-Reply-To: <017c01c9aee8$8235f630$86a1e290$@com>
References: <721f1cc50903270612t2179e913j35496b56f43453fb@mail.gmail.com>	<011201c9aede$ae3d5e80$0ab81b80$@com>
	<017c01c9aee8$8235f630$86a1e290$@com>
Message-ID: <01bb01c9aef0$c7086510$55192f30$@com>

> > > Maybe we ought to have a NYPHP Drupal SIG/email llist. Doncha think?
> >
> > I think this is a good idea, so long as there is interest.
> >
> > Any other yays?  I can have it setup today.
> 
> Ok, that's enough feedback for me...
> 
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/drupal
> 
> I'll get an announce out as well.

Ok, this is all set - let me know if anyone runs into any problems with the
list.  Who's going to make the first post? :)

And while on this topic, I'll remind everyone that we're happy to form other
project related SIGs.

Wordpress
b2evolution
CakePHP
others...?

If anyone is part of an existing meet-up/group and would like to work
together, or would like to see a new SIG created, just let us know.

H




From rotsen at gmail.com  Fri Mar 27 12:05:37 2009
From: rotsen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?B?TulzdG9y?=)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:05:37 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Connecting to an Oracle DB
In-Reply-To: <49CB2073.5020306@tgaconnect.com>
References: <a304e2d60903241602u5f309a33k830fb91254b19348@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0903241935370.14666-100000@bitblit.net>
	<a304e2d60903241640n448d4205x96d00ea752c02da0@mail.gmail.com>
	<602c8ac0903241805m60701cd0rfc1fe1537294dffa@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090325140137.GA7052@panix.com>
	<a304e2d60903250720g59fd80ddxe63bd73034c4de9@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090325150252.GA20408@panix.com>
	<a304e2d60903250901x624c1c9fn6cd105efa90c828f@mail.gmail.com>
	<49CB2073.5020306@tgaconnect.com>
Message-ID: <a304e2d60903270905u66a41191u2928013356016123@mail.gmail.com>

This is the error I am getting:
[Fri Mar 27 08:34:31 2009] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] PHP Warning:
 ocilogon() [<a href='function.ocilogon'>function.ocilogon</a>]:
OCIEnvNlsCreate() failed. There is something wrong with your system - please
check that PATH includes the directory with Oracle Instant Client libraries
in C:\\Program Files\\Apache
Group\\Apache2\\htdocs\\oracle_php\\adodb5\\drivers\\adodb-oci8.inc.php on
line 235 [Fri Mar 27 08:34:31 2009] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] PHP Fatal
error:  Call to a member function FetchRow() on a non-object in C:\\Program
Files\\Apache Group\\Apache2\\htdocs\\oracle_php\\adodb.php on line 9

I have research it in the internet and you find a lot of messages about this
type of problem but there is not a real solution to the problem.  I have
tried everything I have read in this forum and others and nothing.
I will give up for now, but I will try something else in the future.

One of the threads I read mentions that the way to do it is to use the zend
php package that somehow that package has the correct compatability dlls.  I
will try that in the future but for the moment I need to concetrate on other
things.

Thanks all for your help.

:-)


On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Tim Gales <tgales at tgaconnect.com> wrote:

> N?stor wrote:
>
>> I am using php 5.2.5
>> php_mysql.dll is loading and I can access my mysql databse with some of my
>> php programs
>> php_ldap.dll is loading
>>
>> Yes, I might have to download and install php 5.2.9 which is the latest
>>
> First download a copy of dependency walker from:
> http://www.dependencywalker.com/
>
> Make sure that you have a copy of of php_oci8.dll in the
> ext directory (as defined in your php.ini)
>
> Run dependency walker on the php_oci8.dll
>
> Chances are that you will see an error about not being able to
> open OCI.DLL
>
> This means that your windows os cannot find the client connect software.
>
> You should change your path to point to the client software --
> or somehow get dependency walker to run clean.
>
> The most probable cause of not being able to load the client
> software is that no client is installed
>
> Perhaps you should read
>
> http://www.oracle.com/technology/tech/php/pdf/underground-php-oracle-manual.pdf
> "THE UNDERGROUND PHP
> AND ORACLE? MANUAL
> CHRISTOPHER"
>
> A word of advice: don't let dll's resolve to your system directory
> That is, erase php_oci8.dll from the system32 directory
> (and anywhere else you may  have thought it should go --
> and use 'path' resolving instead)
>
> --
> T. Gales & Associates
> 'Helping People Connect with Technology'
> http://www.tgaconnect.com
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
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From dan.horning at planetnoc.com  Fri Mar 27 09:24:15 2009
From: dan.horning at planetnoc.com (Daniel Horning)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:24:15 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] .... speaking of Drupal
In-Reply-To: <011201c9aede$ae3d5e80$0ab81b80$@com>
References: <721f1cc50903270612t2179e913j35496b56f43453fb@mail.gmail.com>
	<011201c9aede$ae3d5e80$0ab81b80$@com>
Message-ID: <000301c9aedf$54f6f2e0$fee4d8a0$@horning@planetnoc.com>

I say go for it - just one thing - there are quite a few active lists on
Drupal.org ... and I can't say I've seen anything go unanswered. But it
might be a good idea for us here - to be able to ask more detailed
questions. (maybe put a link at the bottom to Drupal.org's page for IRC
(where many many many many questions get answered) )

I'm a yay (with a question)

--
Dan Horning

American Digital Services - Where you are only limited by imagination.
dan.horning at planetnoc.com :: http://www.americandigitalservices.com
1-518-444-0213 x502 . toll free 1-800-863-3854 . fax 1-888-474-6133
15 Third Street, PO Box 746, Troy, NY 12180 (by appointment only)


-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On
Behalf Of Hans Zaunere
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 9:20 AM
To: 'NYPHP Talk'
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] .... speaking of Drupal

Hi,

> Maybe we ought to have a NYPHP Drupal SIG/email llist. Doncha think?

I think this is a good idea, so long as there is interest.

Any other yays?  I can have it setup today.

H


_______________________________________________
New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk

http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php



From rotsen at gmail.com  Fri Mar 27 12:33:49 2009
From: rotsen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?B?TulzdG9y?=)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:33:49 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] .... speaking of Drupal
In-Reply-To: <2686104736346000341@unknownmsgid>
References: <721f1cc50903270612t2179e913j35496b56f43453fb@mail.gmail.com>
	<011201c9aede$ae3d5e80$0ab81b80$@com>
	<2686104736346000341@unknownmsgid>
Message-ID: <a304e2d60903270933g741bd44ct5440d6076a1a28db@mail.gmail.com>

Please ad me to the list

:-)

On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 6:24 AM, Daniel Horning
<dan.horning at planetnoc.com>wrote:

> I say go for it - just one thing - there are quite a few active lists on
> Drupal.org ... and I can't say I've seen anything go unanswered. But it
> might be a good idea for us here - to be able to ask more detailed
> questions. (maybe put a link at the bottom to Drupal.org's page for IRC
> (where many many many many questions get answered) )
>
> I'm a yay (with a question)
>
> --
> Dan Horning
>
> American Digital Services - Where you are only limited by imagination.
> dan.horning at planetnoc.com :: http://www.americandigitalservices.com
> 1-518-444-0213 x502 . toll free 1-800-863-3854 . fax 1-888-474-6133
> 15 Third Street, PO Box 746, Troy, NY 12180 (by appointment only)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
> On
> Behalf Of Hans Zaunere
> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 9:20 AM
> To: 'NYPHP Talk'
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] .... speaking of Drupal
>
> Hi,
>
> > Maybe we ought to have a NYPHP Drupal SIG/email llist. Doncha think?
>
> I think this is a good idea, so long as there is interest.
>
> Any other yays?  I can have it setup today.
>
> H
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From rotsen at gmail.com  Fri Mar 27 12:35:08 2009
From: rotsen at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?B?TulzdG9y?=)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:35:08 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] .... speaking of Drupal
In-Reply-To: <a304e2d60903270933g741bd44ct5440d6076a1a28db@mail.gmail.com>
References: <721f1cc50903270612t2179e913j35496b56f43453fb@mail.gmail.com>
	<011201c9aede$ae3d5e80$0ab81b80$@com>
	<2686104736346000341@unknownmsgid>
	<a304e2d60903270933g741bd44ct5440d6076a1a28db@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a304e2d60903270935ga068a47lee57875c6577f1f5@mail.gmail.com>

OK, I signed up already.

thanks  :-)

On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 9:33 AM, N?stor <rotsen at gmail.com> wrote:

> Please ad me to the list
>
> :-)
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 6:24 AM, Daniel Horning <dan.horning at planetnoc.com
> > wrote:
>
>> I say go for it - just one thing - there are quite a few active lists on
>> Drupal.org ... and I can't say I've seen anything go unanswered. But it
>> might be a good idea for us here - to be able to ask more detailed
>> questions. (maybe put a link at the bottom to Drupal.org's page for IRC
>> (where many many many many questions get answered) )
>>
>> I'm a yay (with a question)
>>
>> --
>> Dan Horning
>>
>> American Digital Services - Where you are only limited by imagination.
>> dan.horning at planetnoc.com :: http://www.americandigitalservices.com
>> 1-518-444-0213 x502 . toll free 1-800-863-3854 . fax 1-888-474-6133
>> 15 Third Street, PO Box 746, Troy, NY 12180 (by appointment only)
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
>> On
>> Behalf Of Hans Zaunere
>> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 9:20 AM
>> To: 'NYPHP Talk'
>> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] .... speaking of Drupal
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> > Maybe we ought to have a NYPHP Drupal SIG/email llist. Doncha think?
>>
>> I think this is a good idea, so long as there is interest.
>>
>> Any other yays?  I can have it setup today.
>>
>> H
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>>
>> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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From smanes at magpie.com  Fri Mar 27 18:25:40 2009
From: smanes at magpie.com (Steve Manes)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 18:25:40 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] .... speaking of Drupal
In-Reply-To: <011201c9aede$ae3d5e80$0ab81b80$@com>
References: <721f1cc50903270612t2179e913j35496b56f43453fb@mail.gmail.com>
	<011201c9aede$ae3d5e80$0ab81b80$@com>
Message-ID: <49CD5264.5070308@magpie.com>

Hans Zaunere wrote:
>> Maybe we ought to have a NYPHP Drupal SIG/email llist. Doncha think?
> 
> I think this is a good idea, so long as there is interest.
> 
> Any other yays?  I can have it setup today.

Yay.


From smanes at magpie.com  Fri Mar 27 18:27:08 2009
From: smanes at magpie.com (Steve Manes)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 18:27:08 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] .... speaking of Drupal
In-Reply-To: <000301c9aedf$54f6f2e0$fee4d8a0$@horning@planetnoc.com>
References: <721f1cc50903270612t2179e913j35496b56f43453fb@mail.gmail.com>	<011201c9aede$ae3d5e80$0ab81b80$@com>
	<000301c9aedf$54f6f2e0$fee4d8a0$@horning@planetnoc.com>
Message-ID: <49CD52BC.5020708@magpie.com>

Daniel Horning wrote:
> I say go for it - just one thing - there are quite a few active lists on
> Drupal.org ... and I can't say I've seen anything go unanswered. But it
> might be a good idea for us here - to be able to ask more detailed
> questions. (maybe put a link at the bottom to Drupal.org's page for IRC
> (where many many many many questions get answered) )

Yes, there's the New York Drupal Group, which is pretty active:

http://groups.drupal.org/new-york-city


From lists at zaunere.com  Fri Mar 27 18:56:47 2009
From: lists at zaunere.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 18:56:47 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] .... speaking of Drupal
In-Reply-To: <49CD52BC.5020708@magpie.com>
References: <721f1cc50903270612t2179e913j35496b56f43453fb@mail.gmail.com>	<011201c9aede$ae3d5e80$0ab81b80$@com>	<000301c9aedf$54f6f2e0$fee4d8a0$@horning@planetnoc.com>
	<49CD52BC.5020708@magpie.com>
Message-ID: <032601c9af2f$4ebc3250$ec3496f0$@com>

> > I say go for it - just one thing - there are quite a few active lists on
> > Drupal.org ... and I can't say I've seen anything go unanswered. But it
> > might be a good idea for us here - to be able to ask more detailed
> > questions. (maybe put a link at the bottom to Drupal.org's page for IRC
> > (where many many many many questions get answered) )
> 
> Yes, there's the New York Drupal Group, which is pretty active:
> 
> http://groups.drupal.org/new-york-city

We'd be happy to work with these guys as well, but the response to the
Drupal list has been amazing so it seems there's a support void.

29 subscribes today for Drupal - 20 total for Zend :)

Anyone interested in Symphony or CakePHP?  Contact me off list if so.

H




From mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com  Sat Mar 28 21:35:48 2009
From: mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com (Michele Waldman)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 21:35:48 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Eval a string
Message-ID: <20090329013545.WXT23691.hrndva-omta04.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>

I have a database string that looks like "$variable word".

 

When I assign it to a string the $variable is not being replaced by the
actual value of $variable.

 

Does anyone know how to force a replacement of a variable name with it's
value in a string?

 

Thanks,

 

Michele

 

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From mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com  Sat Mar 28 21:37:54 2009
From: mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com (Michele Waldman)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 21:37:54 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Eval a string
In-Reply-To: <20090329013545.WXT23691.hrndva-omta04.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>
Message-ID: <20090329013751.YDA23691.hrndva-omta04.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>

I think a do use eval, I just used the wrong statement.

 

Michele

  _____  

From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On
Behalf Of Michele Waldman
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 9:36 PM
To: 'NYPHP Talk'
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Eval a string

 

I have a database string that looks like "$variable word".

 

When I assign it to a string the $variable is not being replaced by the
actual value of $variable.

 

Does anyone know how to force a replacement of a variable name with it's
value in a string?

 

Thanks,

 

Michele

 

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From mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com  Sat Mar 28 23:40:40 2009
From: mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com (Michele Waldman)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 23:40:40 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] imagettftext
Message-ID: <20090329034038.LBYW11218.hrndva-omta02.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>

Imagettftext is not being recognized on a server running php 5.2.9.

 

Do I have to include or link in some library?

 

I know I had a similar issue, but I'm drawing a blank right now on how to do
that.

 

And I don't know which library.  This is similar to the mcrypt problem I had
before, I think.

 

Thanks,

 

Michele

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From tom at supertom.com  Sat Mar 28 23:46:09 2009
From: tom at supertom.com (Tom Melendez)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 20:46:09 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] imagettftext
In-Reply-To: <20090329034038.LBYW11218.hrndva-omta02.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>
References: <20090329034038.LBYW11218.hrndva-omta02.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>
Message-ID: <117286890903282046t5b5b92f9h6b7e52be015ce45a@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Michele,

2009/3/28 Michele Waldman <mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com>:
> Imagettftext is not being recognized on a server running php 5.2.9.
>
>
>
> Do I have to include or link in some library?

According to the manual PHP needs to be compiled with exif:

http://us.php.net/manual/en/exif.requirements.php

if you look at phpinfo on your server, you'll probably see that
missing from the ./configure line.

Thanks,

Tom
http://www.liphp.org


From mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com  Sun Mar 29 00:17:12 2009
From: mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com (Michele Waldman)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 00:17:12 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] imagettftext
In-Reply-To: <20090329034038.LBYW11218.hrndva-omta02.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>
Message-ID: <20090329041709.COFO15894.hrndva-omta03.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>

Do I have to do a yum install on an image library?

 

Does anyone know the library name?

 

Michele

 

  _____  

From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On
Behalf Of Michele Waldman
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 11:41 PM
To: 'NYPHP Talk'
Subject: [nycphp-talk] imagettftext

 

Imagettftext is not being recognized on a server running php 5.2.9.

 

Do I have to include or link in some library?

 

I know I had a similar issue, but I'm drawing a blank right now on how to do
that.

 

And I don't know which library.  This is similar to the mcrypt problem I had
before, I think.

 

Thanks,

 

Michele

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From justin at justinhileman.info  Sun Mar 29 00:20:33 2009
From: justin at justinhileman.info (justin)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 00:20:33 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Eval a string
In-Reply-To: <20090329013545.WXT23691.hrndva-omta04.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>
References: <AcmwDq9IAgDHdBS1Qcyn3klFgVkE5g==>
	<20090329013545.WXT23691.hrndva-omta04.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>
Message-ID: <1dc0e7e00903282120i3b24298eu2fc8188bdc6c030c@mail.gmail.com>

2009/3/28 Michele Waldman <mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com>:
> I have a database string that looks like ?$variable word?.
>
> When I assign it to a string the $variable is not being replaced by the
> actual value of $variable.
>
> Does anyone know how to force a replacement of a variable name with it?s
> value in a string?


Evaling anything makes a bit uncomfortable, but most especially
strings pulled out of the database. I typically use something like
this instead:

// db string is '%variable% word'
$db_string = str_replace('%variable%', $variable, $db_string);


If you have lots of things to replace, strtr() works well:

$vars = array(
  '%foo%' => $foo,
  '%bar%' => $baz,
  '%baz%' => $baz
);
$db_string = strtr($db_string, $vars);

-- 
justin
http://justinhileman.com


From mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com  Sun Mar 29 00:44:27 2009
From: mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com (Michele Waldman)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 00:44:27 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] imagettftext
In-Reply-To: <117286890903282046t5b5b92f9h6b7e52be015ce45a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090329044425.LUKZ11218.hrndva-omta02.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>

Oh "exif"

Michele
 
-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On
Behalf Of Tom Melendez
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 11:46 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] imagettftext

Hi Michele,

2009/3/28 Michele Waldman <mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com>:
> Imagettftext is not being recognized on a server running php 5.2.9.
>
>
>
> Do I have to include or link in some library?

According to the manual PHP needs to be compiled with exif:

http://us.php.net/manual/en/exif.requirements.php

if you look at phpinfo on your server, you'll probably see that
missing from the ./configure line.

Thanks,

Tom
http://www.liphp.org
_______________________________________________
New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk

http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php



From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Sun Mar 29 15:56:21 2009
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 15:56:21 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] git to this presentation
Message-ID: <20090329195621.GA18914@panix.com>

Folks:

Saw this announcement in another group and figured it would be 
interesting to some people here...

--Dan


 Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 19:21:01 -0400
 To: announce at lists.nycbug.org
 From: NYC*BUG Announcements <announce at lists.nycbug.org>
 Subject: [announce] NYCBUG Wednesday, April 1 plus BSDCan and BSDCert

 Git: A Case Study In Distributed Version Control

 Wednesday, April 1 (really :)

 6:45 pm, Suspenders Restaurant
 http://www.suspendersbar.com/location.php

 Brian Cully will speak on Git: A Case Study In Distributed Version
 Control. This talk will go over what distributed version control systems
 (dVCS) mean, and how git applies itself to its problems.

 bjc has been involved in open source since the mid 90s, contributing to
 the BSDs and Linux at various points. He once worked at Panix, and now
 works at Junction Networks. Wherever he goes he seems to end up working
 on the version control system, and is now using git exclusively.

 (pls note later meeting time.  We recommend that you arrive early in
 event you plan to have dinner)


-- 
 T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
            data intensive web and database programming
                http://www.AnalysisAndSolutions.com/
 4015 7th Ave #4, Brooklyn NY 11232  v: 718-854-0335 f: 718-854-0409


From y2rob at aol.com  Sun Mar 29 16:03:36 2009
From: y2rob at aol.com (y2rob at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 16:03:36 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] git to this presentation
In-Reply-To: <20090329195621.GA18914@panix.com>
References: <20090329195621.GA18914@panix.com>
Message-ID: <8CB7EC09447DA84-734-1F78@webmail-da09.sysops.aol.com>


 yeah, i use git now and it's pretty awesome i must say.

~rob


 


 

-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Convissor <danielc at analysisandsolutions.com>
To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 3:56 pm
Subject: [nycphp-talk] git to this presentation










Folks:

Saw this announcement in another group and figured it would be 
interesting to some people here...

--Dan


 Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 19:21:01 -0400
 To: announce at lists.nycbug.org
 From: NYC*BUG Announcements <announce at lists.nycbug.org>
 Subject: [announce] NYCBUG Wednesday, April 1 plus BSDCan and BSDCert

 Git: A Case Study In Distributed Version Control

 Wednesday, April 1 (really :)

 6:45 pm, Suspenders Restaurant
 http://www.suspendersbar.com/location.php

 Brian Cully will speak on Git: A Case Study In Distributed Version
 Control. This talk will go over what distributed version control systems
 (dVCS) mean, and how git applies itself to its problems.

 bjc has been involved in open source since the mid 90s, contributing to
 the BSDs and Linux at various points. He once worked at Panix, and now
 works at Junction Networks. Wherever he goes he seems to end up working
 on the version control system, and is now using git exclusively.

 (pls note later meeting time.  We recommend that you arrive early in
 event you plan to have dinner)


-- 
 T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
            data intensive web and database programming
                http://www.AnalysisAndSolutions.com/
 4015 7th Ave #4, Brooklyn NY 11232  v: 718-854-0335 f: 718-854-0409
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From randalrust at gmail.com  Mon Mar 30 08:57:22 2009
From: randalrust at gmail.com (Randal Rust)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 08:57:22 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Implementing Version Control
Message-ID: <a9caffe50903300557k17583473o268408f8f7d49eee@mail.gmail.com>

As a small business owner, I am fairly able to manage projects with
just three server environments -- development, testing, production.
But the days of that working effectively are quickly coming to an end
as I increase the number of subcontractors.

I've used Tortoise in the past, but that was when everyone on the team
was on the same network, in the same building. So I am familiar with
how version control works.

But my needs today are different. I need to provide access to people
in various locations, different operating systems and need to be able
to keep it all together and not create a huge mess.

Any recommendations?

-- 
Randal Rust
R.Squared Communications
www.r2communications.com
614-370-0036


From rmarscher at beaffinitive.com  Mon Mar 30 09:27:56 2009
From: rmarscher at beaffinitive.com (Rob Marscher)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 09:27:56 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Implementing Version Control
In-Reply-To: <a9caffe50903300557k17583473o268408f8f7d49eee@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a9caffe50903300557k17583473o268408f8f7d49eee@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <991974A1-2A3A-45A4-B53D-C07C60343306@beaffinitive.com>

On Mar 30, 2009, at 8:57 AM, Randal Rust wrote:
> I need to provide access to people in various locations, different  
> operating systems and need to be able to keep it all together and  
> not create a huge mess.
> Any recommendations?

I'd say look into a hosted version control service.

My favorites for svn version control (which would let Windows users  
use Tortoise, Mac users use Versions or command-line, and Linux users  
use a number of different clients -- all can also use plugins within  
Eclipse) are http://cvsdude.com and http://beanstalkapp.com.

GitHub seems to be everyone's favorite for using git version control - http://github.com 
.  Git might be the right solution for you if you are dealing with a  
team that is very spread out because developers don't have to worry  
about conflicts as much and you are more in control of what changes  
make it into the final code.




From zippy1981 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 30 09:38:36 2009
From: zippy1981 at gmail.com (Justin Dearing)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 09:38:36 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Implementing Version Control
In-Reply-To: <991974A1-2A3A-45A4-B53D-C07C60343306@beaffinitive.com>
References: <a9caffe50903300557k17583473o268408f8f7d49eee@mail.gmail.com>
	<991974A1-2A3A-45A4-B53D-C07C60343306@beaffinitive.com>
Message-ID: <5458db3c0903300638h75b50ec6ra772031b857ef6d2@mail.gmail.com>

Svn hosting is a good idea, but if you have a unix box you can give
your subcontractors svn accounts and they can remotely access svn that way.
Another option is to setup visualsvn server on your machine.

On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Rob Marscher <rmarscher at beaffinitive.com>wrote:

> On Mar 30, 2009, at 8:57 AM, Randal Rust wrote:
>
>> I need to provide access to people in various locations, different
>> operating systems and need to be able to keep it all together and not create
>> a huge mess.
>> Any recommendations?
>>
>
> I'd say look into a hosted version control service.
>
> My favorites for svn version control (which would let Windows users use
> Tortoise, Mac users use Versions or command-line, and Linux users use a
> number of different clients -- all can also use plugins within Eclipse) are
> http://cvsdude.com and http://beanstalkapp.com.
>
> GitHub seems to be everyone's favorite for using git version control -
> http://github.com.  Git might be the right solution for you if you are
> dealing with a team that is very spread out because developers don't have to
> worry about conflicts as much and you are more in control of what changes
> make it into the final code.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
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From corey at gelform.com  Mon Mar 30 09:39:44 2009
From: corey at gelform.com (Corey H Maass - gelform.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 09:39:44 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Implementing Version Control
In-Reply-To: <991974A1-2A3A-45A4-B53D-C07C60343306@beaffinitive.com>
References: <a9caffe50903300557k17583473o268408f8f7d49eee@mail.gmail.com>
	<991974A1-2A3A-45A4-B53D-C07C60343306@beaffinitive.com>
Message-ID: <1238420384.15606.1308013263@webmail.messagingengine.com>

For SVN hosting, I wound up going with svnrepository.com. Fewer bells
and whistles, but cheaper. Good for a small shop if you know what yre
doing (sounds like you do).

Corey



On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 09:27:56 -0400, "Rob Marscher"
<rmarscher at beaffinitive.com> said:
> On Mar 30, 2009, at 8:57 AM, Randal Rust wrote:
> > I need to provide access to people in various locations, different  
> > operating systems and need to be able to keep it all together and  
> > not create a huge mess.
> > Any recommendations?
> 
> I'd say look into a hosted version control service.
> 
> My favorites for svn version control (which would let Windows users  
> use Tortoise, Mac users use Versions or command-line, and Linux users  
> use a number of different clients -- all can also use plugins within  
> Eclipse) are http://cvsdude.com and http://beanstalkapp.com.
> 
> GitHub seems to be everyone's favorite for using git version control -
> http://github.com 
> .  Git might be the right solution for you if you are dealing with a  
> team that is very spread out because developers don't have to worry  
> about conflicts as much and you are more in control of what changes  
> make it into the final code.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> 
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php

//
Corey H Maass
Gelform Design
Brooklyn, NY
Web design and development for art and business

em corey at gelform.com
ww http://www.gelform.com
ph 646/228.5048
fx 866/502.4861
IM gelform



From randalrust at gmail.com  Mon Mar 30 09:41:07 2009
From: randalrust at gmail.com (Randal Rust)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 09:41:07 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Implementing Version Control
In-Reply-To: <991974A1-2A3A-45A4-B53D-C07C60343306@beaffinitive.com>
References: <a9caffe50903300557k17583473o268408f8f7d49eee@mail.gmail.com>
	<991974A1-2A3A-45A4-B53D-C07C60343306@beaffinitive.com>
Message-ID: <a9caffe50903300641h505c67c0v80431b77a7ca47d8@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Rob Marscher
<rmarscher at beaffinitive.com> wrote:

> GitHub seems to be everyone's favorite for using git version control

I am on a local Ruby list as well, even though I don't use it, and all
of those folks seem to rave about GitHub. But I wanted to ask here, so
that I don't get a bunch of responses that start with, "Why PHP?"

-- 
Randal Rust
R.Squared Communications
www.r2communications.com
614-370-0036


From paul at devonianfarm.com  Mon Mar 30 09:45:15 2009
From: paul at devonianfarm.com (Paul A Houle)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 09:45:15 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Implementing Version Control
In-Reply-To: <991974A1-2A3A-45A4-B53D-C07C60343306@beaffinitive.com>
References: <a9caffe50903300557k17583473o268408f8f7d49eee@mail.gmail.com>
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Rob Marscher wrote:
>
> I'd say look into a hosted version control service.
>
> My favorites for svn version control (which would let Windows users 
> use Tortoise, Mac users use Versions or command-line, and Linux users 
> use a number of different clients -- all can also use plugins within 
> Eclipse) are http://cvsdude.com and http://beanstalkapp.com.
>
> GitHub seems to be everyone's favorite for using git version control - 
> http://github.com.  Git might be the right solution for you if you are 
> dealing with a team that is very spread out because developers don't 
> have to worry about conflicts as much and you are more in control of 
> what changes make it into the final code.
    Personally I love using git on the unix command line.  At the moment 
I'm using it in a mode very similar to CVS:  I've got a central 
repository and multiple instances of the  software that are pushed and 
pulled to it.  If anything,  I find git on the command line to be easier 
than CVS.

    My understanding is that GUI clients for git are currently pretty 
immature,  particularly on Windows,  which might be a problem for some.


From dorgan at donaldorgan.com  Mon Mar 30 09:47:13 2009
From: dorgan at donaldorgan.com (Donald J. Organ IV)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 09:47:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Table is full
Message-ID: <6320437.121238420833673.JavaMail.root@twoguyshosting.com.>

I am encountering the following error for an innoDB table. 
table 'xxx' is full 

The table currently has about 21 million rows in it, and i think we area little more than half way finished with the initial data load. 

>From what I can tell I have to enable autoextend but I am not sure how to do this and how it will affect the rest of the db's on the system. 

If anyone can point me in the right direction it would be highly appreciated. 
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From tom at supertom.com  Mon Mar 30 10:10:20 2009
From: tom at supertom.com (Tom Melendez)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 07:10:20 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Implementing Version Control
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>> I'd say look into a hosted version control service.
>>

I can strongly recommend UnFuddle:

http://unfuddle.com/

Both Git and SVN hosting (and the ability to switch between both).
Bug tracking and wikis as well.

One particular feature that I like is the ability to "commit against
bugs".  So, someone files a bug with the details.  You commit the code
and reference the bug number in the commit message.  A link to the
diff along with your commit message shows up the comments of the bug
(you can also close bugs this way).  This feature (which is really
just an SVN hook) is absolutely priceless long-term.

I personally think that GitHub and Unfuddle should merge.  Github is
awesome for the "social and personal" aspects of sharing code, but
Unfuddle really has the business side down.  Super cheap too, IMO.

Thanks,

Tom
http://www.liphp.org


From ajai at bitblit.net  Mon Mar 30 11:02:51 2009
From: ajai at bitblit.net (Ajai Khattri)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 11:02:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Implementing Version Control
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On Mon, 30 Mar 2009, Randal Rust wrote:

> But my needs today are different. I need to provide access to people
> in various locations, different operating systems and need to be able
> to keep it all together and not create a huge mess.
> 
> Any recommendations?

I use svnrepository.com ad Gitub.



-- 
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From ajai at bitblit.net  Mon Mar 30 11:07:01 2009
From: ajai at bitblit.net (Ajai Khattri)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 11:07:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Implementing Version Control
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On Mon, 30 Mar 2009, Tom Melendez wrote:

> I can strongly recommend UnFuddle:
> 
> http://unfuddle.com/
> 
> Both Git and SVN hosting (and the ability to switch between both).
> Bug tracking and wikis as well.
> 
> One particular feature that I like is the ability to "commit against
> bugs".  So, someone files a bug with the details.  You commit the code
> and reference the bug number in the commit message.  A link to the
> diff along with your commit message shows up the comments of the bug
> (you can also close bugs this way).  This feature (which is really
> just an SVN hook) is absolutely priceless long-term.
> 
> I personally think that GitHub and Unfuddle should merge.  Github is
> awesome for the "social and personal" aspects of sharing code, but
> Unfuddle really has the business side down.  Super cheap too, IMO.

Thanks for posting this, looks great!



-- 
Aj.



From y2rob at aol.com  Mon Mar 30 11:56:26 2009
From: y2rob at aol.com (y2rob at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 11:56:26 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Implementing Version Control
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 i think that git/github is the best version control since sliced bread, not that the 2 are related :)? git is awesome though.? for group collaboration you can't do much better when it comes to merging, conflicts and omg branching!!

in terms of their gui, it's not quite as robust, but it gets the job done and let's face it, if you're using svn or cvs, you have to know some command line because most likely you need to update staging servers with your code edits in order to test against other developer's code, whom are collaborating to the same project.? if you're a windows user who is also a developer, you should be developing on a mac - the best of both worlds and the future of development.

~rob


 


 

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On Mon, 30 Mar 2009, Tom Melendez wrote:

> I can strongly recommend UnFuddle:
> 
> http://unfuddle.com/
> 
> Both Git and SVN hosting (and the ability to switch between both).
> Bug tracking and wikis as well.
> 
> One particular feature that I like is the ability to "commit against
> bugs".  So, someone files a bug with the details.  You commit the code
> and reference the bug number in the commit message.  A link to the
> diff along with your commit message shows up the comments of the bug
> (you can also close bugs this way).  This feature (which is really
> just an SVN hook) is absolutely priceless long-term.
> 
> I personally think that GitHub and Unfuddle should merge.  Github is
> awesome for the "social and personal" aspects of sharing code, but
> Unfuddle really has the business side down.  Super cheap too, IMO.

Thanks for posting this, looks great!



-- 
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From chsnyder at gmail.com  Mon Mar 30 12:00:08 2009
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:00:08 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] git to this presentation
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2009/3/29  <y2rob at aol.com>:
> yeah, i use git now and it's pretty awesome i must say.
>
> ~rob

The distributed nature of git makes it useful in a number of
situations where svn just isn't appropriate, such as tracking changes
to local configuration files. Since they only apply to the local
machine (and might contain db passwords, app keys, and other sensitive
info) you don't want them being pushed to a central repository.
Nevertheless, it's nice to be able to track changes and roll back if
necessary.

git makes it wonderfully easy to add version control in place, and
then decide later whether you want to add the repository to a central
server or not.

It also seems very compatible with svn-- as in, you can use git to
track local branches and changes, but continue to use svn as the
"master" repository that everything goes into at the end of the day.

It's a bit like OO programming -- hard to explain all the advantages
to someone who hasn't used it, but really quite clear once you start
that "hey this really IS better" in most situations.

Chris Snyder
http://chxor.chxo.com/


From ajai at bitblit.net  Mon Mar 30 12:04:16 2009
From: ajai at bitblit.net (Ajai Khattri)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:04:16 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Implementing Version Control
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On Mon, 30 Mar 2009, y2rob at aol.com wrote:

> if you're a windows user who is also a developer, you should be 
> developing on a mac - the best of both worlds and the future of 
> development.

Well said :-)

The Ruby guys love github because Rails and a bunch of related projects 
moved there...



-- 
Aj.



From y2rob at aol.com  Mon Mar 30 12:10:56 2009
From: y2rob at aol.com (y2rob at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:10:56 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] git to this presentation
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 i think you do bring up some interesting points, but i'm confused on the sensitive material part.? do you not have this in your version control?? i would assume you have a check to determine if you're developing locally, staging or production, so that you're not editing these files per server.

~rob


 


 

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To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:00 pm
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2009/3/29  <y2rob at aol.com>:
> yeah, i use git now and it's pretty awesome i must say.
>
> ~rob

The distributed nature of git makes it useful in a number of
situations where svn just isn't appropriate, such as tracking changes
to local configuration files. Since they only apply to the local
machine (and might contain db passwords, app keys, and other sensitive
info) you don't want them being pushed to a central repository.
Nevertheless, it's nice to be able to track changes and roll back if
necessary.

git makes it wonderfully easy to add version control in place, and
then decide later whether you want to add the repository to a central
server or not.

It also seems very compatible with svn-- as in, you can use git to
track local branches and changes, but continue to use svn as the
"master" repository that everything goes into at the end of the day.

It's a bit like OO programming -- hard to explain all the advantages
to someone who hasn't used it, but really quite clear once you start
that "hey this really IS better" in most situations.

Chris Snyder
http://chxor.chxo.com/
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From y2rob at aol.com  Mon Mar 30 12:17:25 2009
From: y2rob at aol.com (y2rob at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:17:25 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Implementing Version Control
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 well there's another point i'd like to bring up with github, there is a search within it so if your project is public, you can share and get project libraries to help you in your development.? so think of it as being a code repository/sourceforge all in one.? also you can plug into git pretty easy for distribution of your code via command line.? we commit files to git and have a propogation script that runs to distribute these files across our cluster, it's pretty sweet.

~rob


 


 

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On Mon, 30 Mar 2009, y2rob at aol.com wrote:

> if you're a windows user who is also a developer, you should be 
> developing on a mac - the best of both worlds and the future of 
> development.

Well said :-)

The Ruby guys love github because Rails and a bunch of related projects 
moved there...



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From chsnyder at gmail.com  Mon Mar 30 12:19:02 2009
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:19:02 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] git to this presentation
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2009/3/30  <y2rob at aol.com>:
> i think you do bring up some interesting points, but i'm confused on the
> sensitive material part.? do you not have this in your version control?? i
> would assume you have a check to determine if you're developing locally,
> staging or production, so that you're not editing these files per server.
>
> ~rob

I was actually talking about /etc configuration files that really are
local, and not part of any php project.

In php projects, we normally create config.php-dist as a prototype
without any passwords or keys, and include that in the repository.
Then we save it as config.php locally. The config.php never gets
checked into the repository as it is unique to each installation.

I'm sure there are slicker ways to handle that, but it's always worked
just fine.


From chsnyder at gmail.com  Mon Mar 30 12:25:17 2009
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:25:17 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Table is full
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2009/3/30 Donald J. Organ IV <dorgan at donaldorgan.com>:
> I am encountering the following error for an innoDB table.
> table 'xxx' is full

http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/full-table.html but you've
probably already look there...

I haven't dealt with this with InnoDB tables, but I learned a long
time ago to include  MAX_ROWS=500000 AVG_ROW_LENGTH=500000 (or
similar) at the end of MyISAM CREATE TABLE statements.

Chris Snyder
http://chxor.chxo.com/


From y2rob at aol.com  Mon Mar 30 12:28:50 2009
From: y2rob at aol.com (y2rob at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:28:50 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] git to this presentation
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no, i wasn't trying to criticize, i just wasn't following how your app was configured.? it makes sense though. i've seen it done in both ways, it mostly is determine how you want your application distributed.

~rob


 

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To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:19 pm
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2009/3/30  <y2rob at aol.com>:
> i think you do bring up some interesting points, but i'm confused on the
> sensitive material part.? do you not have this in your version control?? i
> would assume you have a check to determine if you're developing locally,
> staging or production, so that you're not editing these files per server.
>
> ~rob

I was actually talking about /etc configuration files that really are
local, and not part of any php project.

In php projects, we normally create config.php-dist as a prototype
without any passwords or keys, and include that in the repository.
Then we save it as config.php locally. The config.php never gets
checked into the repository as it is unique to each installation.

I'm sure there are slicker ways to handle that, but it's always worked
just fine.
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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Mon Mar 30 12:37:33 2009
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:37:33 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Implementing Version Control
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On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 12:17:25PM -0400, y2rob at aol.com wrote:
> 
> well there's another point i'd like to bring up with github, there is a 
> search within it so if your project is public, you can share and get 
> project libraries to help you in your development.? so think of it as 
> being a code repository/sourceforge all in one.?

Meaning, it's like SourceForge. :)  FYI: SourceForge recently added Git 
as one of the supported version control systems.  Fortunately, I haven't 
committed any code yet, so I switched my project there from Subversion to 
Git.  I look forward to using it.

--Dan

[Snipping prior posts.  It's the nice thing to do.]

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From chsnyder at gmail.com  Mon Mar 30 13:03:53 2009
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:03:53 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Implementing Version Control
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On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Daniel Convissor
<danielc at analysisandsolutions.com> wrote:
>
> Meaning, it's like SourceForge. :)

Yes, if SourceForge had been created by anyone remotely familiar with
either graphic design or social software. :-D


From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Mon Mar 30 13:09:27 2009
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:09:27 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Implementing Version Control
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On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 01:03:53PM -0400, Chris Snyder wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Daniel Convissor
> <danielc at analysisandsolutions.com> wrote:
> >
> > Meaning, it's like SourceForge. :)
> 
> Yes, if SourceForge had been created by anyone remotely familiar with
> either graphic design or social software. :-D

Though they may need to get some folks on staff that are up on how to 
configure networks/servers.  I just went to look at github.com and it 
timed out. :)

--Dan

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From paul at devonianfarm.com  Mon Mar 30 13:24:19 2009
From: paul at devonianfarm.com (Paul A Houle)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:24:19 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Implementing Version Control
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Tom Melendez wrote:
> I can strongly recommend UnFuddle:
>
> http://unfuddle.com/
>   
    We use this at work as a bug tracking/project management system and 
it's pretty good.  I'm a tough customer for this sort of thing and can 
find many complaints,  but it's better than any of the other systems 
I've seen that target it's market segment.  (I see Basecamp as an 
excellent product that's a bit downmarket.)

    I haven't used the VC service from unfuddle however since we use 
Visual Source Safe here. VSS has it's problems,  but the integration w/ 
Visual Studio is good and I've managed to point-and-click my way through 
hairy situations that I'd find intimidating w/ CVS or SVN.  (And that's 
talking as someone who's gotten in pretty deep with CVS.)

    Personally I think SVN is a scam.  It deals with some of the 
superficial problems with CVS (for instance,  being tied to Unix 
accounts and the difficulty of moving files.)  It addresses some of the 
issues of working in Java,  where renaming classes means you need to 
rename files,  but it doesn't address the deeper issues in CVS and it 
takes a big step back in the branching department by offering only smoke 
and mirrors for branching support.  (The branching model in CVS is quite 
appropriate for shops that have a main line of development and spin off 
branches to customers or to production servers.)

    These days I've fallen in love with git.  As somebody else said,  
git's particularly good for managing code that comes from an open source 
project or a vendor:  you can replace the files in a distribution and 
"git add ." does the right thing.

-------------

    As for the problem of configuring multiple instances,  +1 to the 
suggestion of having a single configuration file that sits outside 
version control.  This isn't the most advanced way to do it,  but it's a 
simple mechanism that's a good alternative to the 'status quo' of having 
no clean mechanism for separating what varies from what stays the same.

    I particularly get frustrated with hard-coded paths that many 
products keep inside of databases.  One of the reasons why wordpress 
operators are slow to upgrade to fix the security problems that seem to 
be discovered every week is that wordpress keeps hard-coded urls inside 
the database:  it's a major production to make a copy of

yourblog.com

that lives at

test.yourblog.com

the system will keep trying to redirect you to "yourblog.com;"  If I 
could do this,  I'd have a lot more faith that upgrading wordpress won't 
break my system.  I hate to admit it,  but I regularly upgrade wordpress 
directly on production systems because there isn't an officially 
supported way to do anything else.

It's a totally different story with the systems I build,  where I can 
make systems for test and development purposes very quickly.  I'm moving 
away from Wordpress for my non-blog sites that use it.


From y2rob at aol.com  Mon Mar 30 13:28:12 2009
From: y2rob at aol.com (y2rob at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:28:12 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Implementing Version Control
In-Reply-To: <20090330170927.GA21735@panix.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0903301202370.1207-100000@bitblit.net><8CB7F6A26124329-AD8-685@webmail-dx06.sysops.aol.com><20090330163733.GA373@panix.com><b76252690903301003p43541f9esc1fe247c8983413c@mail.gmail.com>
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 yeah from time to time it goes down, not sure if their traffic doubled lately or not.? gits been stirring up a lot lately ie this thread!!

~rob


 


 

-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Convissor <danielc at analysisandsolutions.com>
To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 1:09 pm
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On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 01:03:53PM -0400, Chris Snyder wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Daniel Convissor
> <danielc at analysisandsolutions.com> wrote:
> >
> > Meaning, it's like SourceForge. :)
> 
> Yes, if SourceForge had been created by anyone remotely familiar with
> either graphic design or social software. :-D

Though they may need to get some folks on staff that are up on how to 
configure networks/servers.  I just went to look at github.com and it 
timed out. :)

--Dan

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From y2rob at aol.com  Mon Mar 30 13:37:14 2009
From: y2rob at aol.com (y2rob at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:37:14 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Implementing Version Control
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 i've used vss before and it wasn't bad.? the one thing that was good and bad about vss is that you couldn't check out a file that was checked out by someone else, which makes things bad if you're on a project with someone else and they forget to check something back in and said developer calls out sick, with a deadline of "now" for the project.? not sure if they resolved this and i see the ups and downs of this system in why it works this way, but in terms of users, even with developers, we do forget the simpliest of things.? 

i guess there are several different types of vcs' out there and to each their own imo, but having used the ones listed in this thread from vss, cvs, svn and now git, i still think git is pretty nice.? again this is only my opinion :)? 

also a side note, if you're using vcs' then that is a tremendous step in the right direction, believe it or not, there are still serveral big name places that don't use a version control system, which makes me sad.

~rob


 


 

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul A Houle <paul at devonianfarm.com>
To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 1:24 pm
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Implementing Version Control









Tom Melendez wrote:?

> I can strongly recommend UnFuddle:?

>?

> http://unfuddle.com/?

>   
?  We use this at work as a bug tracking/project management system and 
it's pretty good.  I'm a tough customer for this sort of thing and can 
find many complaints,  but it's better than any of the other systems 
I've seen that target it's market segment.  (I see Basecamp as an 
excellent product that's a bit downmarket.)?
?

?  I haven't used the VC service from unfuddle however since we use 
Visual Source Safe here. VSS has it's problems,  but the integration w/ 
Visual Studio is good and I've managed to point-and-click my way through 
hairy situations that I'd find intimidating w/ CVS or SVN.  (And that's 
talking as someone who's gotten in pretty deep with CVS.)?
?

?  Personally I think SVN is a scam.  It deals with some of the 
superficial problems with CVS (for instance,  being tied to Unix 
accounts and the difficulty of moving files.)  It addresses some of the 
issues of working in Java,  where renaming classes means you need to 
rename files,  but it doesn't address the deeper issues in CVS and it 
takes a big step back in the branching department by offering only smoke 
and mirrors for branching support.  (The branching model in CVS is quite 
appropriate for shops that have a main line of development and spin off 
branches to customers or to production servers.)?
?

?  These days I've fallen in love with git.  As somebody else said,  
git's particularly good for managing code that comes from an open source 
project or a vendor:  you can replace the files in a distribution and 
"git add ." does the right thing.?
?

-------------?
?

?  As for the problem of configuring multiple instances,  +1 to the 
suggestion of having a single configuration file that sits outside 
version control.  This isn't the most advanced way to do it,  but it's a 
simple mechanism that's a good alternative to the 'status quo' of having 
no clean mechanism for separating what varies from what stays the same.?
?

?  I particularly get frustrated with hard-coded paths that many 
products keep inside of databases.  One of the reasons why wordpress 
operators are slow to upgrade to fix the security problems that seem to 
be discovered every week is that wordpress keeps hard-coded urls inside 
the database:  it's a major production to make a copy of?
?

yourblog.com?
?

that lives at?
?

test.yourblog.com?
?

the system will keep trying to redirect you to "yourblog.com;"  If I 
could do this,  I'd have a lot more faith that upgrading wordpress won't 
break my system.  I hate to admit it,  but I regularly upgrade wordpress 
directly on production systems because there isn't an officially 
supported way to do anything else.?
?

It's a totally different story with the systems I build,  where I can 
make systems for test and development purposes very quickly.  I'm moving 
away from Wordpress for my non-blog sites that use it.?

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From greg at freephile.com  Mon Mar 30 16:38:26 2009
From: greg at freephile.com (Greg Rundlett (freephile))
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:38:26 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Implementing Version Control
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References: <a9caffe50903300557k17583473o268408f8f7d49eee@mail.gmail.com>
	<991974A1-2A3A-45A4-B53D-C07C60343306@beaffinitive.com>
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I too would recommend git (and github) for better collaboration and
merge support compared to svn.  Most probably know this distinction,
but Git is a "distributed" VCS compared to svn which is a
"centralized" VCS.  (People do still need subversion -- especially
where it's the common denominator.  I just migrated a whole subversion
service today including the repos, the administration system, the
websvn browser, the trac project management system from one machine to
another.)

Although I haven't used it yet, I would also point out that Mercurial
(Hg) is the "other" distributed version control system (similar to
git).  It was just chosen by the Python project for their source.  So,
I would choose between git and mercurial; either hosted or "internal".

hth,

-- 
Greg Rundlett
Web Developer - Initiative in Innovative Computing
http://iic.harvard.edu
camb 617-384-5872
nbpt 978-225-8302
m. 978-764-4424
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http://profiles.aim.com/freephile


From ajai at bitblit.net  Mon Mar 30 17:12:03 2009
From: ajai at bitblit.net (Ajai Khattri)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 17:12:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Implementing Version Control
In-Reply-To: <5e2aaca40903301338n45943d57w3db456497d1627e9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0903301709520.1207-100000@bitblit.net>

On Mon, 30 Mar 2009, Greg Rundlett (freephile) wrote:

> Although I haven't used it yet, I would also point out that Mercurial
> (Hg) is the "other" distributed version control system (similar to
> git).  It was just chosen by the Python project for their source.  So,
> I would choose between git and mercurial; either hosted or "internal".

There's also Bazaar :-)

Since there are a lot of distributed versioning systems out there, has 
anyone done/seen a decent comparison? I think I remember reading somewhere 
that there are differences in performance...
 

-- 
Aj.



From paul at devonianfarm.com  Mon Mar 30 17:22:58 2009
From: paul at devonianfarm.com (Paul A Houle)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 17:22:58 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Best practices for combining paths?
Message-ID: <49D13832.50008@devonianfarm.com>

I pretty frequently write code like

$url_base="http://somesite.com/system/controller";
$path="object_type/verb.modifier/object_id";
$url="{$url_base}/{$path}";

note that this working correctly depends sensitively on how paths are 
used,  for instance,  if somebody puts a slash at the end of $url_base,  
you wind up with a double slash in the path.  That doesn't usually have 
a disasterous effect,  but I'm a stickler about url canonicalizaton.

My question is,  am I missing a good PHP built-in for combining parts of 
URLs or filesystem paths?  Is there a good library I should use?



From ajai at bitblit.net  Mon Mar 30 17:57:37 2009
From: ajai at bitblit.net (Ajai Khattri)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 17:57:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Best practices for combining paths?
In-Reply-To: <49D13832.50008@devonianfarm.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0903301748430.1207-100000@bitblit.net>

On Mon, 30 Mar 2009, Paul A Houle wrote:

> My question is,  am I missing a good PHP built-in for combining parts of 
> URLs or filesystem paths?  Is there a good library I should use?

You might want to look at routing components. For example, you can use 
symfony's routing component by itself without using the whole framework to 
match URLs (and generate URLs I think):

http://pookey.co.uk/blog/archives/79-Playing-with-symfony-routing-without-symfony!.html



-- 
Aj.




From ramons at gmx.net  Mon Mar 30 19:32:17 2009
From: ramons at gmx.net (David Krings)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 19:32:17 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Implementing Version Control
In-Reply-To: <49D0CCEB.7080509@devonianfarm.com>
References: <a9caffe50903300557k17583473o268408f8f7d49eee@mail.gmail.com>	<991974A1-2A3A-45A4-B53D-C07C60343306@beaffinitive.com>
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Paul A Houle wrote:
>    My understanding is that GUI clients for git are currently pretty 
> immature,  particularly on Windows,  which might be a problem for some.

I find that the GitExtensions for Windows already do the trick. But my 
experience is bare bones and I am happy if I can check in and check out. If 
looking for something I'd see that you get sth like a plugin for the 
development environment in use. I even found that the port of git itself to 
Windows works fine.

David


From krozinov at gmail.com  Mon Mar 30 20:03:48 2009
From: krozinov at gmail.com (Konstantin Rozinov)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 20:03:48 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Using APC to improve performance.
Message-ID: <865a7acf0903301703y595b79a9w1c97802763c74a9f@mail.gmail.com>

Hi folks,

I recently installed APC (http://pecl.php.net/package/APC) to see how
it works.  Currently, I'm just using the opcode (file) caching and
already the response time is about 4x faster.  No code changes were
required and it was as easy as just enabling APC in php.ini.  Now I'm
interested in trying out the "user variable caching" to see if I can
get any more improvement in response time.  I know that this will
require code changes and the use of the APC functions (like apc_add(),
apc_fetch(), etc.)

For example, I have a configuration file, which has about 400+ defined
constants for the web application I'm working on.  I've read in the
APC documentation and elsewhere that define() is notoriously slow (not
sure why??).

1. Will storing these constants in APC help?
2. How would you store these constants?  Just use apc_add()?  Or use
apc_ load_ constants() (the APC docs say that this doesn't work as
well as expected?!)?
3. If I'm already using the opcode (file) caching, will it make any
difference store the 400+ defined constans in APC?
4. Any links to really good APC howtos or tutorials would be greatly
appreciated!

Thanks for any help and tips.
Konstantin


From zippy1981 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 30 23:52:18 2009
From: zippy1981 at gmail.com (Justin Dearing)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 23:52:18 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Certification
Message-ID: <5458db3c0903302052i52a911cdyb6733ebfb0057277@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,
I bought the PHP certification pack (10 practice exams and an exam voucher).
So far I've taken two tests and done some studying. I've passed both, but I
don't know by how many points, or how well I would do on the real test. On
the section analysis I get 2-3 failures 2-3 excellents and the rest passed.

Has anyone taken the practice tests and the real one? If so how do they
compare? Should I just take the real one if I passed two practice tests?

Regards,

Justin Dearing
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From chehodgins at gmail.com  Tue Mar 31 00:30:56 2009
From: chehodgins at gmail.com (Che Hodgins)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 00:30:56 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Using APC to improve performance.
In-Reply-To: <865a7acf0903301703y595b79a9w1c97802763c74a9f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <865a7acf0903301703y595b79a9w1c97802763c74a9f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f9948c350903302130p44f00b8bg487f22b9042ae315@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Konstantin,

On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Konstantin Rozinov <krozinov at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi folks,
>
> I recently installed APC (http://pecl.php.net/package/APC) to see how
> it works. ?Currently, I'm just using the opcode (file) caching and
> already the response time is about 4x faster. ?No code changes were
> required and it was as easy as just enabling APC in php.ini. ?Now I'm
> interested in trying out the "user variable caching" to see if I can
> get any more improvement in response time. ?I know that this will
> require code changes and the use of the APC functions (like apc_add(),
> apc_fetch(), etc.)
>
> For example, I have a configuration file, which has about 400+ defined
> constants for the web application I'm working on. ?I've read in the
> APC documentation and elsewhere that define() is notoriously slow (not
> sure why??).
>
> 1. Will storing these constants in APC help?

Although I don't use apc_define_constants(), I'm sure some gains can
be achieved. The question is whether Cost > Reward. I recommend
profiling your code with an extension such as Xdebug to see how much
you can save by using apc_define_constants.

>
> 2. How would you store these constants? ?Just use apc_add()? ?Or use
> apc_ load_ constants() (the APC docs say that this doesn't work as
> well as expected?!)?

You should use apc_define_constants() and apc_load_constants(). Since
you won't know if they are already loaded you will need something
like:

<?php

$loaded = apc_load_constants('my_app');
if ($loaded == false) {
??? $configuration = parse_ini_file('configuration.ini');
??? apc_define_constants('my_app', $configuration);
}

After which you will can access the constants as you normally would.

>
> 3. If I'm already using the opcode (file) caching, will it make any
> difference store the 400+ defined constans in APC?

It should, if not I don't see why they would have created these two functions.

>
> 4. Any links to really good APC howtos or tutorials would be greatly
> appreciated!

Before starting to optimize where you think there may be problems, I
recommend you actually find out where the problems are. Using tools
like xdebug and kcachegrind you can pretty quickly find bottlenecks
and you won't waste as much time guessing.

Good luck!

Che

>
> Thanks for any help and tips.
> Konstantin
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From tom at supertom.com  Tue Mar 31 00:49:26 2009
From: tom at supertom.com (Tom Melendez)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 21:49:26 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Using APC to improve performance.
In-Reply-To: <865a7acf0903301703y595b79a9w1c97802763c74a9f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <865a7acf0903301703y595b79a9w1c97802763c74a9f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <117286890903302149j40391042j13468768fd6ecafd@mail.gmail.com>

> 4. Any links to really good APC howtos or tutorials would be greatly
> appreciated!
>

Not at all what you asked, but....

If you're using absolute paths in your require/include files and you
turn this off you should see gains:

http://us.php.net/manual/en/apc.configuration.php#ini.apc.stat

In setting it to zero, you tell it not to stat the file.  If you are
using some beefy framework with lots of includes this can be a big
win.

Leave it set to 1 for development though.

Thanks,

Tom
http://www.liphp.org


From krozinov at gmail.com  Tue Mar 31 03:02:28 2009
From: krozinov at gmail.com (Konstantin Rozinov)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 03:02:28 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Using APC to improve performance.
In-Reply-To: <117286890903302149j40391042j13468768fd6ecafd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <865a7acf0903301703y595b79a9w1c97802763c74a9f@mail.gmail.com> 
	<117286890903302149j40391042j13468768fd6ecafd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <865a7acf0903310002wb391785ud27ebfcd66474078@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the tips Che and Tom.  I will try the debugging tools to
see where the bottlenecks are.  I've got apc.stat set to 0, but the
largest # of includes in the application is only about 8 in some
files, so I wouldn't expect it to make that much of difference, but
every little bit counts :)

I found these presentations, which have some good pointers, but lack a
lot of details.  Sample code or pseudo-code would've been nice to see:
http://tekrat.com/talks_files/openweb2008/apc at facebook.pdf
http://www.scribd.com/doc/4069180/Caching-Performance-Lessons-from-Facebook

Konstantin




On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 12:49 AM, Tom Melendez <tom at supertom.com> wrote:
>> 4. Any links to really good APC howtos or tutorials would be greatly
>> appreciated!
>>
>
> Not at all what you asked, but....
>
> If you're using absolute paths in your require/include files and you
> turn this off you should see gains:
>
> http://us.php.net/manual/en/apc.configuration.php#ini.apc.stat
>
> In setting it to zero, you tell it not to stat the file. ?If you are
> using some beefy framework with lots of includes this can be a big
> win.
>
> Leave it set to 1 for development though.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tom
> http://www.liphp.org
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
>


From cbaltatescu at greenvision.ro  Tue Mar 31 06:32:30 2009
From: cbaltatescu at greenvision.ro (Cristian Baltatescu)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 13:32:30 +0300
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Certification
In-Reply-To: <5458db3c0903302052i52a911cdyb6733ebfb0057277@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5458db3c0903302052i52a911cdyb6733ebfb0057277@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <422973430903310332u7f7c4875xf7b22b632478fee0@mail.gmail.com>

2009/3/31 Justin Dearing <zippy1981 at gmail.com>

> Hello all,
> I bought the PHP certification pack (10 practice exams and an exam
> voucher). So far I've taken two tests and done some studying. I've passed
> both, but I don't know by how many points, or how well I would do on the
> real test. On the section analysis I get 2-3 failures 2-3 excellents and the
> rest passed.
>
> Has anyone taken the practice tests and the real one? If so how do they
> compare? Should I just take the real one if I passed two practice tests?
>
> Regards,
>
> Justin Dearing
>
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
>

Hello
I have purchased 10 tests too, before passing the real exam.
I have found the practice tests a bit imbalanced maybe but I think the real
tests are like that too.
My biggest problem with the practice test was that some of the questions
were the same, after taking 3 of those they kinda became irrelevant because
I would chose the answer without actually thinking, so at least in terms of
answering in the given time and in terms of focusing, the practice tests did
not provide the same experience. But they helped. i only used 5 i think, of
the 10 purchased.
I ventured to taking the real test once i got no FAILED on the practice
ones, maybe a couple of passed and excellent on the rest. Same goes for a
friend of mine who followed the same pattern.
-- 
Numai bine,
Cristian
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From bonsaime at gmail.com  Tue Mar 31 09:00:15 2009
From: bonsaime at gmail.com (Jesse Callaway)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 09:00:15 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Using APC to improve performance.
In-Reply-To: <865a7acf0903310002wb391785ud27ebfcd66474078@mail.gmail.com>
References: <865a7acf0903301703y595b79a9w1c97802763c74a9f@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 3:02 AM, Konstantin Rozinov <krozinov at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the tips Che and Tom. ?I will try the debugging tools to
> see where the bottlenecks are. ?I've got apc.stat set to 0, but the
> largest # of includes in the application is only about 8 in some
> files, so I wouldn't expect it to make that much of difference, but
> every little bit counts :)
>
> I found these presentations, which have some good pointers, but lack a
> lot of details. ?Sample code or pseudo-code would've been nice to see:
> http://tekrat.com/talks_files/openweb2008/apc at facebook.pdf
> http://www.scribd.com/doc/4069180/Caching-Performance-Lessons-from-Facebook
>
> Konstantin
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 12:49 AM, Tom Melendez <tom at supertom.com> wrote:
>>> 4. Any links to really good APC howtos or tutorials would be greatly
>>> appreciated!
>>>
>>
>> Not at all what you asked, but....
>>
>> If you're using absolute paths in your require/include files and you
>> turn this off you should see gains:
>>
>> http://us.php.net/manual/en/apc.configuration.php#ini.apc.stat
>>
>> In setting it to zero, you tell it not to stat the file. ?If you are
>> using some beefy framework with lots of includes this can be a big
>> win.
>>
>> Leave it set to 1 for development though.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Tom
>> http://www.liphp.org
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>>
>> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
>>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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>

Hi,

The only pointer I can give might seem obvious if you've read all the
documentation. I wasted maybe over a half hour on this one so it may
help.

You can only store single-element variables, so you'll need to flatten
or serialize any arrays before storing them.

-jesse


From chsnyder at gmail.com  Tue Mar 31 16:46:38 2009
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:46:38 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Best practices for combining paths?
In-Reply-To: <49D13832.50008@devonianfarm.com>
References: <49D13832.50008@devonianfarm.com>
Message-ID: <b76252690903311346u56337230j171519e9ba532604@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Paul A Houle <paul at devonianfarm.com> wrote:
> I pretty frequently write code like
>
> $url_base="http://somesite.com/system/controller";
> $path="object_type/verb.modifier/object_id";
> $url="{$url_base}/{$path}";
>
> note that this working correctly depends sensitively on how paths are used,
> ?for instance, ?if somebody puts a slash at the end of $url_base, ?you wind
> up with a double slash in the path. ?That doesn't usually have a disasterous
> effect, ?but I'm a stickler about url canonicalizaton.
>
> My question is, ?am I missing a good PHP built-in for combining parts of
> URLs or filesystem paths? ?Is there a good library I should use?
>

This is the kind of thing where writing your own is annoying but easy.

function combine_paths( $path1, $path2 ) {
  if ( substr( $path1, -1 ) != '/' ) {
    $path1 .= '/';
  }
  if ( substr( $path2, 0, 1 ) == '/' ) {
    $path2 = substr( $path2, 1 );
  }
  return $path1.$path2;
}

Does it need to be any more complicated than that?


From brenttech at gmail.com  Tue Mar 31 17:10:17 2009
From: brenttech at gmail.com (Brent Baisley)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:10:17 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Best practices for combining paths?
In-Reply-To: <49D13832.50008@devonianfarm.com>
References: <49D13832.50008@devonianfarm.com>
Message-ID: <5d515c620903311410r2b85c2egb53f82b138b94817@mail.gmail.com>

You don't need a library to fix that issue. Just use one of the trim
functions to trim the trailing / and add you own. If there is no
trailing slash, trim will do nothing.

$url_base= rtrim($url_base, '/').'/';


On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Paul A Houle <paul at devonianfarm.com> wrote:
> I pretty frequently write code like
>
> $url_base="http://somesite.com/system/controller";
> $path="object_type/verb.modifier/object_id";
> $url="{$url_base}/{$path}";
>
> note that this working correctly depends sensitively on how paths are used,
> ?for instance, ?if somebody puts a slash at the end of $url_base, ?you wind
> up with a double slash in the path. ?That doesn't usually have a disasterous
> effect, ?but I'm a stickler about url canonicalizaton.
>
> My question is, ?am I missing a good PHP built-in for combining parts of
> URLs or filesystem paths? ?Is there a good library I should use?
>
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
>


From krozinov at gmail.com  Tue Mar 31 17:15:37 2009
From: krozinov at gmail.com (Konstantin Rozinov)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:15:37 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Using APC to improve performance.
In-Reply-To: <865a7acf0903310002wb391785ud27ebfcd66474078@mail.gmail.com>
References: <865a7acf0903301703y595b79a9w1c97802763c74a9f@mail.gmail.com>
	<117286890903302149j40391042j13468768fd6ecafd@mail.gmail.com>
	<865a7acf0903310002wb391785ud27ebfcd66474078@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <865a7acf0903311415t7a7c789bq1f1ad0e37628e2b6@mail.gmail.com>

In one of the slides, it says Facebook uses around 640,000 user
objects/variables to and from their APC cache.

Anyone have any ideas why so many variables?  With over 200 million
users I would think 640k would be too few if the objects pertained to
individual users...

Konstantin


On 3/31/09, Konstantin Rozinov <krozinov at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the tips Che and Tom.  I will try the debugging tools to
> see where the bottlenecks are.  I've got apc.stat set to 0, but the
> largest # of includes in the application is only about 8 in some
> files, so I wouldn't expect it to make that much of difference, but
> every little bit counts :)
>
> I found these presentations, which have some good pointers, but lack a
> lot of details.  Sample code or pseudo-code would've been nice to see:
> http://tekrat.com/talks_files/openweb2008/apc at facebook.pdf
> http://www.scribd.com/doc/4069180/Caching-Performance-Lessons-from-Facebook
>
> Konstantin
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 12:49 AM, Tom Melendez <tom at supertom.com> wrote:
>>> 4. Any links to really good APC howtos or tutorials would be greatly
>>> appreciated!
>>>
>>
>> Not at all what you asked, but....
>>
>> If you're using absolute paths in your require/include files and you
>> turn this off you should see gains:
>>
>> http://us.php.net/manual/en/apc.configuration.php#ini.apc.stat
>>
>> In setting it to zero, you tell it not to stat the file.  If you are
>> using some beefy framework with lots of includes this can be a big
>> win.
>>
>> Leave it set to 1 for development though.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Tom
>> http://www.liphp.org
>> _______________________________________________
>> New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
>> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>>
>> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
>>
>


From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Tue Mar 31 22:44:26 2009
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 22:44:26 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Best practices for combining paths?
In-Reply-To: <49D13832.50008@devonianfarm.com>
References: <49D13832.50008@devonianfarm.com>
Message-ID: <20090401024426.GA15840@panix.com>

Hi Paul:

On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 05:22:58PM -0400, Paul A Houle wrote:
>
> $url_base="http://somesite.com/system/controller";
> $path="object_type/verb.modifier/object_id";
> $url="{$url_base}/{$path}";
>
> note that this working correctly depends sensitively on how paths are  
> used,  for instance,  if somebody puts a slash at the end of $url_base,   
> you wind up with a double slash in the path.

This calls for comments in the code, documentation, coding standards and 
training; a technical solution is inappropriate, in my eyes.

--Dan

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